> I can see where this difficulty is, I've worked on smart cards and it is ...
> perverse.  I'll see if I can explain it.  As an aside I have no idea what
> the NSS people think, I'm not speaking for them, and they don't typically
> like what I say :)  Apologies out of the way, onwards!

This sounds promising!

> Good smart card security models will have smart cards talking to smart
> cards.  To do that, they need some concept of communications, which is what
> SMs are (I'm guesssing here).  (There are other ways, but as I say, this is
> for explanation.)

When communicating to an smartcard, you need to send "commands".
"hello?"--->
<---hello im card
what mechanisms you provide?--->
<---i do RSA 1024 key gen, sign and en/decrypt
do you have RSA keys?--->
<---yes, i have one

SM just let you wrap this communication, like SSL, to be unreadable
(+avoid man in the middle...and so)
So, dont think in card communicating between them. This could be, but
that is other part of story.

> Sure.  But, that's a different level of security.  Disk drives and signed
> applets are moderate-to-boring.  Smart cards are several cuts above that.
>  Just as an example, a proper security model would never let a user choose
> low level things out of its trusted platform.  E.g., "pay now" and "enter
> pin" are good user things, "read cert" is not.

This simplest level of security is what im talking about...forget the
SM, forget other higher/complex things.
This page is trying to get access to your smartcard, Do you allow this?
(if you have an smartcard inserted on a reader, you "know" what an smartcard is)

> Maybe.  You want the smart card to authenticate itself to you?  I think.

OMG...i really suck in english, isnt it?

> There was also some mention of document signing.  Yeah, I think I understand
> that application ... and I'd say you haven't got a lot of hope there in
> getting the smart card open for that via Firefox.  How about a downloaded
> app?

Web. Im looking for a web solution (better than Java, or being
compatible with Java, at least)


Now i start thinking i should hire a professional translator...
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