On 2012-04-19 09:21, helpcrypto helpcrypto wrote:
>> (to me, that question makes no sense.  users can't talk to smart cards.
>>  Only smart card readers and programs can.  So what smart card reader and
>> what program is doing this?  A dumb smart card reader and a browser,
>> following Javascript instructions from a website?  That'd be game over...)
> 
> Why a website "cant" use javascript to communicate with the card?

A number of banks came up with the wonderful idea adding a citizen ID
application to their already shipping EMV (payment) card.

What this meant was that any merchant could read your citizen ID certificate
(=national ID) without your knowledge.  Naturally this scheme was endorsed
by the government and their consultants.

I'm by *no means* a privacy advocate but this is way below what I consider
a useful solution.  My criticism of this idea made me quite unpopular but
it seems that they actually never put it in production :-|

Anyway, this was another way of expressing a core problem with "direct access".
I do not think that "clever" GUIs can do much here either.  Then there are
security-related stuff such as PIN spoofing and associated credential misuse
that I makes me pretty uncomfortable with the whole idea.

My "solution" to this is to treat all PKI-using applications as complete
applications running in trusted code.  W3C tries to do something different,
we'll see how that pans out...

Anders
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