Jonas Smedegaard <jo...@jones.dk> writes: > Quoting Simon Josefsson (2025-08-20 13:02:28) >> > Sometimes I am in the middle of some larger transition that involves >> > multiple packages, or I am aware of some details with newer upstream >> > that makes me decide to hold back on pulling that into Debian just yet. >> > Often I do so without formally tracking such details as bugreports - and >> > even if I did (or if others tracked it elsewhere, e.g. as salsa issues), >> > then the drive-by uploader might not notice it, or might decide that >> > they have different priorities and that the change is super important >> > to enter Debian *now*. >> >> I can sympathise with this, I am often in the same place. However this >> is a problem for everyone. I often forget and don't finish things. So >> there is a big chance that whatever was "in progress" in my head will >> just never materialize. Others may be better at remembering and >> finishing things, but I think merely the risk of that happening does not >> motivate preventing others from doing uploads by claiming ownership. I >> understand others feel differently and strongly about ownership though. >> Ownership tends to have that effect. > > Hmm. So when I say that intervening without reaching out first is > potentially disruptive and therefore a problem, then you perceive that > as me feeling strongly about ownership? > > That's interesting. You might be right, I just don't recognize it when > framed like that. Food for thought!
Sorry, now that I re-read it it comes off as accusational, which wasn't my intention; I was merely trying to share my way of thinking without that necessarily having to be everyone's approach. Maybe one consideration is that we COULD assume that the drive-by uploader is acting in good faith and has done her homework and has a better upload to offer than what you (or me) could ever have prepared? Rather than to assume they upload brokenness. Which I think is somewhat implied in your description. (And to be fair, probably often a correct assessment, but hey, we needn't assume that before it happens.) I find that often when I delay uploads because I'm thinking about some complex problem, I often run in circles and things never conclude. And sometimes in these situations, just uploading something that may be half-broken and sorting out whatever critical issues arise from that, can be better than waiting for a perfect solution to materialize. Making it possible for others to do that upload, to trigger things to happen, allows progress. Preventing others from being able to do uploads cause stagnation (which is sometimes desirable). /Simon
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