So, to relate to our problem of helping users figure out the order of the
processing pipeline. The people who actually care about this are the more
technical people and advanced users, and these users know how to get around
the software, and they know how to find out about this information. They
are able to do this regardless of how well or bad the software is designed,
or how modules are arranged. They will find out some way or another,
because they know how to. They don't have to have an easy time to be able
to figure it out, though it would be nice. But to a user who doesn't care,
or one who does not even know that the order of the processing pipeline
affects results, the order of appearance of modules makes no difference,
except to frustrate or facilitate his/her attempts at processing images.
On 14 May 2013 20:53, Jiew Peng Lim <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think that we need to differentiate between novice, intermediate and
> advanced users of the software. Different people start off at different
> stages; the more adventurous people would most probably read up a lot from
> the manual and start off somewhere between intermediate and advanced.
>
> My opinion is that software UI should be optimised for novice users, with
> the opportunity for advanced users to customise or tweak the software based
> on their own needs. The reason is that novice users will have to learn the
> software first, and progress upwards in terms of skill level. Software that
> are designed for advanced and more technical users will impose an
> impossible learning curve for novice users, in which they may never
> progress up in skill level because they simply cannot, due to the way the
> software was designed. However, advanced users and technical users will be
> able to find their way around the software and hopefully be able to
> customise the software to suit their preferences, regardless of how
> retarded the software was designed. Basically, making the software more
> usable for technical users makes it immensely confusing and difficult to
> use for novice users, or average users. The fact that not many people
> complain about the UI does not necessarily mean that nobody sees a problem
> with it; it could also mean that many users have already given up on using
> the software because it is too difficult to use.
>
> The thing here is that Darktable seems to be designed primarily for
> advanced and more technical users. Few things in darktable are easy to use
> or understand. For instance, a novice/non-technical user will be confused
> by the various denoise modules available: raw denoise, denoise (non-local
> means), denoise (bilateral). None of those make sense to non-technical
> users, until they read the user manual. Having said that, I read the user
> manual and still could not understand the difference between non-local and
> bilateral. I just adjust based on what I see. Which is bad because I can
> probably do a better job if I actually knew what they did.
>
>
> On 14 May 2013 20:30, María Leandro <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hello all.
>>
>> I use DT the same than Marie-Noëlle, it's more a creative process and
>> even if I understand the difference between both, is just since I have been
>> working with usermanual that I have got interest into what the modules
>> processing order means, however, most of the -users- won't see this if they
>> don't have a technical level or at least use DT as a daily work tool.
>>
>> Improving the order of how modules are shown doesn't seem like the most
>> needed feature right now; probably is just a matter of spread or make more
>> intuitive the fact that the module order at your workflow matters and
>> affect your processing speed.
>>
>>
>> 2013/5/14 Marie-Noëlle Augendre <[email protected]>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/5/14 Torsten Bronger <[email protected]>
>>>
>>>> Unless you mean only users who know what the
>>>> module order means. But one has to read about it in the manual; it
>>>> is not intuitive. FWIW, it took me a long time to learn about it.
>>>> Before that, I thought the module order was random.
>>>>
>>>> And have it changed anything for you/your way of working on your
>>> pictures since you know the order has a special meaning?
>>>
>>> Marie-Noëlle
>>>
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