I have a scar on my shoulder from doing the vac gun run but I’m guessing
your talking about something else?


On Mon, Jan 26, 2026 at 7:00 PM Chuck <[email protected]> wrote:

> Ask guys in the military about being forced to become vaccinated.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 26, 2026, at 4:40 PM, Darin Steffl <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> 
> Steve,
>
> You continue to spew falsehoods and ignore facts. Masks did help slow the
> spread of covid and other viruses. Doctors and scientists prove this but
> you ignore it. No one was arrested for not wearing a mask but rather for
> trespassing in spaces that required them. There's a difference. Wear the
> mask in spaces that required it or leave the space on your own accord. It
> was never a crime to not mask up. A mask doesn't hurt someone, it only
> helps protect you and others from spreading viruses.
>
> The vaccine was also never required to exist in our country. Some
> employers required it but the govt did not hold you down and force you to
> take it. Again, the choice was yours to take a vaccine or not. If you
> didn't, you may have been fired or refused service in some places but
> that's not the govt being involved. It's your employer or private
> businesses.
>
> You continue to spew garbage and I don't understand why you can't live in
> reality when facts and science exist.
>
> What's this stuff about new winter coats? You know people in MN earn a
> decent wage and that coats last more than one year, don't you?
>
> On Mon, Jan 26, 2026, 6:28 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> the very second any individual citizen assumes their right to protest
>> grievances with the government allows them to impede another citizens right
>> to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, theyve forgone their rights.
>> The constitution enshrines the words on the declaration of independence.
>> Its not a document that gives us any rights whatsoever, it only indicates
>> what rights the government does, or does not have. At some point, the
>> government must decide which citizens rights trump anothers, and in this
>> case and all, it will always be those whose life, liberty and pursuit of
>> happiness are being trampled on by those with selfish motivation.
>> Most of you arguing this shit wanted people arrested for not wearing
>> paper masks that had zero scientifically proven benefit, you cheered when
>> others were terminated from their employment for not taking unproven
>> chemicals into their bodies that required a manufacturers blanket immunity
>> for them to produce. you have no standing to speak of overreach
>> This is going to play out as a justified homicide, as did the lady in the
>> car. Was it a shitshow, yep, but theres a consequence of the above
>> mentioned people doing what they do best, cause shitshows.
>>
>> thousands of brand new winter coats isnt organic. When they realized they
>> didnt have to look at skin tone, or chains to enslave a population, they
>> knew you were coming. How many more bodies are you willing to stack for
>> them?
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2026 at 5:14 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> they said all offenders, thats been clear since day one, you just want
>>> them to have said that, they said their primary focus is on violent
>>> offenders but theyre after them all. find one full video, not an out of
>>> context clip wher ethey said that was all they were going after. you
>>> cant premise your claims on that falsehood
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2026 at 5:10 PM Robert <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Steve,
>>>>     What they are doing is so far beyond the job of removing violent
>>>> offenders, which is what the avowed purpose of the surge was claimed to
>>>> be.   But you live in your National Socialist Workers Party enclave and
>>>> cheer the overthrow of the constitution.   You are probably on a list of
>>>> drug abusers and when they finally get around to you, you will probably go
>>>> down claiming "I was all on your side, why me?"   Or you are smart and will
>>>> enlist in the gestapo hoping that marching alongside protects you from the
>>>> chaos you will be part of.
>>>>
>>>> None of what is happening is about illegals at this point.  It's about
>>>> provoking the insurrection act.  But so far the people of MN are not
>>>> falling for it.   The word PEACEFUL gets put front and center constantly.
>>>> And every peaceful killing is another stick in the craw of everyone else in
>>>> the country that understands that this is about the United States staying a
>>>> representative democracy.   And a place that we can have these arguments
>>>> without being locked up in jail or killed.
>>>>
>>>> On 1/26/26 1:33 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>>
>>>> all he had to do was keep walking
>>>> Ice is there because its their job, the left says all they have to do
>>>> is leave
>>>> he was there for clout
>>>> A whole lot of these young guys are gonna end up pilled for clout
>>>> but you goot look at the view count on this, he go that clout
>>>>
>>>> This is why my younger kids dont and wont have much electronic, they
>>>> dont need clout, or to get the pills
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2026 at 3:27 PM Carl Peterson <
>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mark,
>>>>>
>>>>> Why does it matter why he was there?  Perhaps he was getting donuts.
>>>>> Perhaps he was going for a walk?  Getting coffee.  Perhaps he was going to
>>>>> Far Left of Center for a gun safety class.  It's a free country, at least
>>>>> for now.  Are you going to blame everyone who gets assaulted by Trump's
>>>>> Republican Gestapo for existing in their own city wherever the goon squads
>>>>> show up?  The funny thing about living in a war zone is that life just 
>>>>> goes
>>>>> on.  You still need to go out and get groceries, go to work, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 25, 2026 at 8:16 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jason,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I go back to my original question.  Why was he even there?  What
>>>>>> possesses an intelligent man to pick up his gun and go out in sub-zero 
>>>>>> temperatures
>>>>>> to observe?  All of these observers must now know there is an
>>>>>> increased chance they will be injured or even killed.  Why would you
>>>>>> voluntary go into that type of situation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Mark                            mailto:[email protected]
>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Myakka Communications
>>>>>>
>>>>>> www.Myakka.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sunday, January 25, 2026, 8:20:11 PM, you wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They were spraying him with pepper spray before they even took him to
>>>>>> the ground. This is not a FAFO situation. They do not have a right to 
>>>>>> shoot
>>>>>> anyone because they have a holstered weapon on them. These guys are
>>>>>> amateurs and should never have been given a weapon and any authority.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 25, 2026, 7:13 PM Chuck <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He violently resisted arrest.  You always are in the wrong and you
>>>>>>> always lose.  Add gun, dead.  Simple.  I see the cops taking a magazine,
>>>>>>> not a gun.  FAFO. Dont in LEA.
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 25, 2026, at 5:58 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> There is zero evidence that Pretti was picking a fight. He had a
>>>>>>> handgun on him, it was holstered until the ICE officer removed it 
>>>>>>> himself.
>>>>>>> Where are the 2nd amendment people on this? Now carrying a weapon 
>>>>>>> (legally,
>>>>>>> mind you) around law enforcement is justification for deadly force? I've
>>>>>>> watched a couple of the recordings and the administration is outright 
>>>>>>> lying
>>>>>>> about this. Full stop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 25, 2026, 5:49 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF <
>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trump Bad, Trump Good, ICE Bad, ICE Good, Renee Bystander, Renee
>>>>>>>> Domestic Terrorist, Alex Bystander, Alex Domestic Terrorist.  It is
>>>>>>>> pointless to discuss these topics.  People are too far entrenched in 
>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> opinions.  Nothing one side can say will ever change the mind of the 
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> side.  The two sides will watch the exact same videos and come up with
>>>>>>>> polar opposite opinions of what happened.  Even if something is proven 
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> complete fact by one side, it will be dismissed as false news or a 
>>>>>>>> cover up
>>>>>>>> by the other side.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My question is why Minnesota, specifically Minneapolis and St.
>>>>>>>> Paul.  Why has it become so violent and filled with hate just there.  
>>>>>>>> We do
>>>>>>>> not see this level of hate anywhere else in the country.  ICE seems to 
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> making arrests without incident all around the rest of the country.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What makes an intelligent man (ICU Nurse) decide he is going to
>>>>>>>> grab his gun and go fight ICE agents.  What happen to this man's 
>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>> process?  Does anyone here have that level of hate where they will 
>>>>>>>> decide
>>>>>>>> to grab their gun and venture out in sub-zero weather looking to pick a
>>>>>>>> fight with armed ICE agents?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When did it become acceptable to storm a church during a service?
>>>>>>>> Protest outside if you want, but storming in during a service.  Where 
>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>> this hate come from.  Trump or Waltz, depends what side you are on.  I
>>>>>>>> pretty sure the people storming the church had more hate than the 
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> inside the church in this case.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The ICE agents are there to do a job, like it or not.  I don't
>>>>>>>> understand when it became acceptable to interfere in an arrest that you
>>>>>>>> know nothing about.  You may agree or disagree with Trump's policies, 
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> that does not mean you can interfere with law enforcement doing their 
>>>>>>>> job.
>>>>>>>> Like it or not, believe it or not, they are arresting some bad people.
>>>>>>>> They also are making some questionable arrests.  But being an 
>>>>>>>> "observer"
>>>>>>>> that knows nothing about what the arrest is about and interfering in 
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> the answer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is only going to get worst.  The ICE agents are very skittish
>>>>>>>> with good reason.  One could argue that in most situations they may be 
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> fear of their lives.  It is just a matter of time before an ICE agent 
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> killed.  There will be more "observer" deaths. Some will celebrate 
>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>> others rage.  End of the day it is very sad whenever someone dies for 
>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>> good reason.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some will say Trump just has to back down, others will say Waltz
>>>>>>>> needs to get control of his State.  I fear neither of these men will do
>>>>>>>> this and more deaths will result.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Blame whoever you want, continue the name calling, continue the
>>>>>>>> fear mongering, fuel the hate, It is truly a sad time in our history.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Mark                            mailto:[email protected]
>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   <https://www.Myakka.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sunday, January 25, 2026, 3:01:58 PM, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So what I am hearing from you, Chuck, between the lines, is that
>>>>>>>> you abet the murder of Alex Pretti?  That the actions of ICE in MN is 
>>>>>>>> ok
>>>>>>>> because of the premise of removing "illegal" immigrants?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Come on I thought you understood that the legitimacy of a small
>>>>>>>> good isn't justification of evil.   The lies that were put forth right 
>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>> the bat in the murder of Alex are not, in any circumstance, 
>>>>>>>> justifiable.
>>>>>>>> Not to someone who truly believes the Mormon religion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  I am not Mormon, but a large part of my family is.   And they are
>>>>>>>> some of the best people I am related to.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I stay in this shit filled room because I believe that just leaving
>>>>>>>> doesn't do anything to clean up the crap.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your saying that part of what DJT does justifies the rest of what
>>>>>>>> he does sounds like those who looked the other way in Germany in 1936. 
>>>>>>>>   OH
>>>>>>>> look he has saved the economy and built the autobahn.   Look deeper 
>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>> the government and economy that Hitler built and you find it was all 
>>>>>>>> debt
>>>>>>>> financing and without the war is was just about to destroy itself.   
>>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>>> guess what is going on in the US right now.  EXACTLY THE SAME.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I consider myself centrist.  But there is now and never a way to
>>>>>>>> justify the way that ICE is violating the constitution and the 
>>>>>>>> blessing of
>>>>>>>> that by the current administration.   This has nothing to do with 
>>>>>>>> previous
>>>>>>>> administrations except for the contribution that they had in creating
>>>>>>>> justifications for people to create what we have Now..    Now we have 
>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>> clear that what is going on is NOT ok.   And being indifferent to it is
>>>>>>>> abetting it.   Going and saying that people who are being aghast at 
>>>>>>>> what is
>>>>>>>> going on have TDS is saying you are on the side of the federal 
>>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>>> taking people filming or helping someone up off the street and killing 
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> is a country that is good with you.   Basically you are agreeing with 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> tenants of a National Socialist Workers Party.   And that anyone who 
>>>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>>>> is subject to Jail and death.    You can kick me out of this group if 
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> want but taunting me to leave or shut up isn't going to work.   That's 
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> bullies do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am directing this to you, Chuck, because you are/were the heart
>>>>>>>> of this list.   The members here are hear because of what you gathered
>>>>>>>> around you, very much including me.   To find out you bless someone of 
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> DJT does makes it alright for what else he does sounds like the 
>>>>>>>> teasings of
>>>>>>>> the devil have embraced you.    And that makes me sad.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/25/26 8:51 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I used to believe that the big L Democrats, AKA "party of the
>>>>>>>> elites" were full of educated, well read, literate, urbane, 
>>>>>>>> compassionate
>>>>>>>> basket weavers – But when one does ad hominim postings like this, 
>>>>>>>> devoid of
>>>>>>>> example and cogent argument – kinda proves the point that  big L TDS 
>>>>>>>> folk
>>>>>>>> are more hateful and ignorant than the illiterate, unwashed, toothless,
>>>>>>>> rednecked, guns and god, deplorables.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> QED
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But yet you remain in the shit filled room… odd.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected]
>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Dietrich Rushing via AF
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 25, 2026 8:05 AM
>>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>>>>> *Cc:* Dietrich Rushing <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When your in a shit fill room, aren't the smartest people the ones
>>>>>>>> who leave first?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hard to think anyone with a brain would ever support Trump  or
>>>>>>>> MAGA.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All the calls for "no talk of politics" is delusional when its this
>>>>>>>> impactful to everyones lives, typically spewed by "the right" cowards 
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> other deplorables who can't defend their positions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/24/26 11:32 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I did move the list to my own servers it would probably update
>>>>>>>> faster…. But I am lazy…..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Interesting, seems only liberals get pissed and leave.  I wonder
>>>>>>>> what a sociologist would have to say about that…
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected]
>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 24, 2026 10:19 AM
>>>>>>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah…. I love a good pot stir.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think you would fail the Turing test for the wrong reasons though…
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected]
>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 24, 2026 10:05 AM
>>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Especially with AIs like me stirring the pot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/24/2026 8:47 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You got three choices”
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Take your own advice and “don’t post this political shit. “
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because it is all opinion.  Full of falsehoods, rhetoric, hyperbole
>>>>>>>> and minor particles of truth totally surrounded by horseshit.  Yours 
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> than most in my opinion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or just sit back and enjoy the game.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or you can leave.  Like you say, it is a terrible platform…   Why
>>>>>>>> would you want to even hang around here…
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected]
>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 23, 2026 7:41 PM
>>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just went back and looked, and my first post here was in 2012. So
>>>>>>>> maybe not 20 years here, but 13.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can remember some pretty garbage times on this list every time
>>>>>>>> politics get raised, even to the point of certain people leaving, 
>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>> this is a terrible platform to trump(et) your views. Been on the 
>>>>>>>> internet
>>>>>>>> for over 30 years and not once have I seen sane political discourse on
>>>>>>>> message boards or social media. It's even worse with astroturfing in 
>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>> direction, literal bots riling up people in whatever direction Russia 
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> India or China wants. You've seen it, you've seen the bot problems on 
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> social media, and yet David talks about the USA standing up to Russia 
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> they're doing fucking anything about it. Other countries try to get 
>>>>>>>> rid of
>>>>>>>> the garbage social media companies from the USA and trumpster 
>>>>>>>> unilaterally
>>>>>>>> threatens tariffs and cries like a little baby.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The fact that the USA has gone so far down the path that you
>>>>>>>> literally have a man who apparently can do whatever they want with no
>>>>>>>> consequences is the broke brain part of my statements. A literal 
>>>>>>>> rapist,
>>>>>>>> thief. Cool. Nice job. You guys did it. Build the wall and ya'll can 
>>>>>>>> sort
>>>>>>>> each-other out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pick and choose your platforms, figure out what is real and what
>>>>>>>> isn't. Go talk to people in the physical world. You'll get to 
>>>>>>>> understand
>>>>>>>> your fellow man a lot quicker and if your aim is to make change.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 5:51 PM Chuck <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OT in the subject line frequently means political shit.  Many have
>>>>>>>> been hanging here 20 years.  We can bitch without having social media
>>>>>>>> algorithms listening.  There is an animal farm FB group but it is 
>>>>>>>> unused.
>>>>>>>> I think..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 23, 2026, at 5:56 PM, Ryan Ray <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David, you are honestly clueless, there is nothing that can be said
>>>>>>>> to you to get you to see the light. This is extremely typical with your
>>>>>>>> ilk. You can see it in your responses of things like "libs" or "the 
>>>>>>>> left"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have a good day, stop posting political shit here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 4:49 PM David Hannum via AF <
>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See the response when you give a response that has thought behind
>>>>>>>> it!  Libs just resort to personal insults.  It's all they have.  No
>>>>>>>> rebuttals,  just personal attacks.  Sad . . .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2026, 7:44 PM Ryan Ray <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <image.png>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 12:25 PM David Hannum via AF <
>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I disagree.  I don't think our allies distrust us.  They don't LIKE
>>>>>>>> lots of what Trump does, I think they see strength.  I think they see
>>>>>>>> "America First" and they respect that because they understand that as 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> USA goes, they go.  They need a stron, unapologetic US who will stick 
>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> finger in the face of Russia and China.  They need us to be like that
>>>>>>>> because they can't/won't be like that for themselves.  The European 
>>>>>>>> nations
>>>>>>>> are all followers - not leaders.  Biden & Obama did not lead.  Obama 
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> apologetic of the success of the US.  My biggest fear is what comes 
>>>>>>>> AFTER
>>>>>>>> Trump?  Every country in the world can't be equal.  Nothing gets done. 
>>>>>>>>  And
>>>>>>>> China and Russia aren't going to play that game.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 3:13 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's still totally unnecessary, and does nothing but create
>>>>>>>> confusion and distrust. If you want our allies to distrust us, then do 
>>>>>>>> shit
>>>>>>>> like this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> May actually be too late. They already distrust us, and China and
>>>>>>>> Russia are loving it. Just look at what Carney said.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Stick an arrow pointing out of his ass, and that's probably where
>>>>>>>> we should be going.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/22/2026 9:07 AM, David Hannum via AF wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even if it is what existed before, the world is on notice that we
>>>>>>>> are planning to deploy defense systems there.  So yea, it's still a 
>>>>>>>> win and
>>>>>>>> Trump can take a victory lap (like he needs a reason . . . )
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 11:47 AM Bill Prince <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even though it was Wednesday, I will call it a TACO day (follow the
>>>>>>>> stock market).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are zero details of what the "deal" is or isn't, and I'm
>>>>>>>> betting it's essentially what existed before.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Prove me wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/22/2026 7:43 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looks like Trump got the deal he wanted.  Everyone is happy :).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rory
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 7:11 AM MVTVWISPA <
>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I too read that exact information from Facebook posts word for word.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *David Hannum
>>>>>>>> via AF
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2026 3:33 PM
>>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> *Cc:* David Hannum <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT - Greenland
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So many think Trump is a bully on Greenland . . . If you think he's
>>>>>>>> so terrible, you absolutely don’t know history.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1)  1867 – Andrew Johnson: explored buying Greenland & Iceland
>>>>>>>> (right after Alaska).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2)  WWII – FDR: U.S. took over Greenland’s defense while Denmark
>>>>>>>> was occupied.
>>>>>>>> 3)  1946 – Truman: offered $100M in gold to buy it.
>>>>>>>> 4)  Cold War – Eisenhower → Kennedy: nonstop negotiations for
>>>>>>>> bases, radar, missiles.
>>>>>>>> 5)  Post–Cold War – Clinton/Bush/Obama: expanded Arctic security &
>>>>>>>> missile defense.
>>>>>>>> 6)  2019 – Trump: said publicly what presidents discussed privately
>>>>>>>> for 150+ years.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The U.S. didn’t “suddenly” want Greenland.
>>>>>>>> It’s been defending it, negotiating it, and embedding there since
>>>>>>>> the 1800s.
>>>>>>>> Greenland = Arctic power, shipping lanes, missiles, minerals.
>>>>>>>> Trump didn’t invent it. His crime is he said the quiet part out
>>>>>>>> loud.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> =======================
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte said on Jan. 21 at the World
>>>>>>>> Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, that Trump is spot on about the
>>>>>>>> importance of Greenland to security.  He said, "When it comes to the
>>>>>>>> Arctic, I think President Trump is right. Other leaders in NATO are 
>>>>>>>> right.
>>>>>>>> We need to defend the Arctic.  There are eight countries bordering on 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Arctic. Seven are members of NATO. That’s Finland, Sweden, Norway, 
>>>>>>>> Denmark,
>>>>>>>> Iceland, Canada, and the U.S.,” Rutte said.
>>>>>>>> "And there’s only one country bordering on the Arctic outside NATO,
>>>>>>>> and that’s Russia. And I would argue there is a ninth country, which is
>>>>>>>> China, which is increasingly active in the Arctic region. So, President
>>>>>>>> Trump and other leaders are right, we have to do more there; we have to
>>>>>>>> protect the Arctic."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dave Hannum
>>>>>>>>
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