Killed yes. Murdered not. No intent, no planning, no motive, no benefit. Manslaughter probably or negligent homicide. Murder is a far stretch.
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On Jan 26, 2026, at 3:48 PM, Darin Steffl <[email protected]> wrote:
Alex Pretti was murdered. Anyone who watched every video from every angle would agree with this statement. If you disagree, it's because you're in a cult and will do anything to defend this admin.
Alex was not interfering with agents. He was recording them from a reasonable distance. He then helped up one or two women who were pushed to the ground by the federal agents. Then was sprayed with pepper spray and tackled to the ground. He was pistol whipped and beaten. He never touched or attacked any agents. Never brandished his legal firearm. The gun was removed from his holster by an agent and he was shot after he was disarmed.
It's murder, plain and simple. He had a first amendment right to record agents and say anything he wanted. He also had a second amendment right to carry his legal firearm. He did not fight agents. He hands were on the ground and he was protecting his head while they beat him. He was in a defensive position against a bunch of thugs who didn't like he was recording them.
Chuck, Steve, David. You need to get a grip on reality and see how the government is overreaching. Minnesota is protesting and defending their fellow citizens because it's the right thing to do. They're not allowing this insurgency of ICE to trample on our rights, our state, and our people. If I was in MN right now, I would probably find time to protest too. It's laughable you call them all paid protesters. It shows how delusional you all are. If you think they're paid, show me where to sign up and how I get my check.
Now if ICE had a normal number of agents in MN and truly only went after criminals, there wouldn't be a problem. Local law enforcement would even help them. No democrat, liberal, leftist is defending criminals. Everyone is in agreement to round up real criminals. In reality, ICE is going far beyond that scope and they're walking up to people of color on the street, gas stations, schools, etc and asking for their papers and ID. They say you have an accent so I suspect you may not be a citizen. They're harassing people just trying to live their life. This is why MN isn't cooperating with ICE because as soon as the local law enforcement helps the overreaching ICE agents, the trust they build up with local citizens would be gone. Why would local MN residents ever trust Minneapolis police again if they were with the ICE agents who are harassing people of color on the street? Think about this for a minute. If ICE was good, MN would cooperate and help. But ICE is acting bad so MN can't cooperate or they lose all respect and trust of their citizens.
I'm white and I can recognize I have privilege that people of color don't. I don't feel unsafe in Minneapolis because of my skin color. If I weren't white, I would be scared to be stopped by these guys.
Walz and Frey aren't stoking flames or encouraging violence. They state you can protest peacefully, record encounters with ICE, but do so without being violent or destroying anything. You can't find a clip or tweet anywhere saying they're suggesting violence. I don't know how you can be so delusional to claim that. You're just as bad as DHS lying about the shootings.
Your views as well as Maga in general continue to prove how immoral you guys are. The left are far better people than you and it's simply a fact. We have morals and ethics and don't worship politicians or cruel policies. Maga will be a thing of the past someday and history will look down on this time and the cruelty during trumps terms.
Steve using the r word to describe the governor and homo to describe the mayor really shows how much of a shit human being he is. And he continues to share violent rhetoric against follow human beings. Maga really are deplorables who live in an alternate reality. They're driven by fear and emotions. Facts don't matter to Maga and it's sad.
On Mon, Jan 26, 2026, 4:46 PM Jason McKemie <[email protected]> wrote:
Well stated.
On Mon, Jan 26, 2026, 3:06 PM Carl Peterson <[email protected]> wrote:
So much to unpack here..
- Why stay in a "shit filled room"? Respect. There are a lot of people here, Chuck in particular, who have given a lot to this community. It's worth it to occasionally run into one of Steve's vitriolic delusional rants. Cowpies in an otherwise tranquil pasture. As an aside, I worked for a raging racist nazi jerk when I was in my early teen years working on old VWs and diesel engines. He taught me a hell of a lot about engines, machines, troubleshooting, and the nature of people. The strawberry that grows next to the cowpie can be pretty sweet. I Do miss Jamie and the Mexican weather reports.
I normally avoid the OT political AFMUG threads because they tend to skew pretty far right but right now my state is being overrun with an undisciplined untrained Republican Gestapo which is pissing all over The Constitution I took an oath to protect and defend.
There have been ICE agents making arrests in MN all summer without any issues and I didn't particularly care. I thought it was stupid and a waste of resources but that's the prerogative of the federal government. They do it. People protest it. Life goes on. America.
The escalation this winter with "Operation Metro Surge" is not about immigration. MN is certainly not a hotbed of illegal immigration unless you're worried about those pesky Canadians casting their line across the border to steal our walleye. Masked men with guns are boxing people in to stop them in the street, running up to their windows demanding to see ID without cause, smashing car windows and ripping people out if they don't immediately comply with their illegal orders. They are screaming and threatening to arrest people for filming their disgusting behavior. They have been smashing down doors to arrest people with no warrant and now claim they don't need one because F the fourth amendment I guess. It is violent, unpredictable, morally reprehensible and completely unnecessary. Alex's murder wasn't at some sort of protest, it was at Nicolette and 26th on a cold weekend morning. Alex could have easily been me. This government violence breaks out every single day at random locations across the city. One minute you are going about your business getting donuts or whatever and suddenly a bunch of unmarked rental cars carren down the street and a masked armed goon squad jumps out screaming, pointing weapons at people, pushing people around, and pepper spraying anyone who has the audacity to film them or not move fast enough. The point of this is not immigration, it is violence and an attempt to weaken federalism while they build their database of anyone who opposes them. They underestimate how hard-headed Minnesotians are.
I am truly astounded that any reasonable person could watch the videos of Alex getting assaulted, tackled by a goon squad, and then getting an entire clip dumped into him and call it anything but murder. If you have only seen little clips, I implore you to watch all of it, including the start of it if you can stomach it. There was absolutely no need for any of it. The agent went well out of his way to pick a fight with someone who was doing absolutely nothing wrong and was on the complete other side of the street. At any point he could have taken half a step back and had a conversation but instead he tackles Alex from behind? Suicide by cop? Realy? That really is insulting a truly good human being.
P.S.
Chuck. If you care to check that they un holstered and took his Sig before they dumped a clip into him, there are tons of videos of this including video of the agent who took it walking away and audio / video taken from the adjacent car of agents saying that he took the gun down the street. Not that it matters IMHO. He never touched it, reached for it, or was at all threatening.
He violently resisted arrest. You always are in the wrong and you always lose. Add gun, dead. Simple. I see the cops taking a magazine, not a gun. FAFO. Dont in LEA.
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On Jan 25, 2026, at 5:58 PM, Jason McKemie <[email protected]> wrote:
There is zero evidence that Pretti was picking a fight. He had a handgun on him, it was holstered until the ICE officer removed it himself. Where are the 2nd amendment people on this? Now carrying a weapon (legally, mind you) around law enforcement is justification for deadly force? I've watched a couple of the recordings and the administration is outright lying about this. Full stop.
On Sun, Jan 25, 2026, 5:49 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF <[email protected]> wrote:
Trump Bad, Trump Good, ICE Bad, ICE Good, Renee Bystander, Renee Domestic Terrorist, Alex Bystander, Alex Domestic Terrorist. It is pointless to discuss these topics. People are too far entrenched in their opinions. Nothing one side can say will ever change the mind of the other side. The two sides will watch the exact same videos and come up with polar opposite opinions of what happened. Even if something is proven as complete fact by one side, it will be dismissed as false news or a cover up by the other side.
My question is why Minnesota, specifically Minneapolis and St. Paul. Why has it become so violent and filled with hate just there. We do not see this level of hate anywhere else in the country. ICE seems to be making arrests without incident all around the rest of the country.
What makes an intelligent man (ICU Nurse) decide he is going to grab his gun and go fight ICE agents. What happen to this man's thought process? Does anyone here have that level of hate where they will decide to grab their gun and venture out in sub-zero weather looking to pick a fight with armed ICE agents?
When did it become acceptable to storm a church during a service? Protest outside if you want, but storming in during a service. Where did this hate come from. Trump or Waltz, depends what side you are on. I pretty sure the people storming the church had more hate than the people inside the church in this case.
The ICE agents are there to do a job, like it or not. I don't understand when it became acceptable to interfere in an arrest that you know nothing about. You may agree or disagree with Trump's policies, but that does not mean you can interfere with law enforcement doing their job. Like it or not, believe it or not, they are arresting some bad people. They also are making some questionable arrests. But being an "observer" that knows nothing about what the arrest is about and interfering in not the answer.
This is only going to get worst. The ICE agents are very skittish with good reason. One could argue that in most situations they may be in fear of their lives. It is just a matter of time before an ICE agent is killed. There will be more "observer" deaths. Some will celebrate while others rage. End of the day it is very sad whenever someone dies for no good reason.
Some will say Trump just has to back down, others will say Waltz needs to get control of his State. I fear neither of these men will do this and more deaths will result.
Blame whoever you want, continue the name calling, continue the fear mongering, fuel the hate, It is truly a sad time in our history.
So what I am hearing from you, Chuck, between the lines, is that you
abet the murder of Alex Pretti? That the actions of ICE in MN is ok
because of the premise of removing "illegal" immigrants?
Come on I thought you understood that the legitimacy of a small good
isn't justification of evil. The lies that were put forth right
off the bat in the murder of Alex are not, in any circumstance,
justifiable. Not to someone who truly believes the Mormon religion.
I am not Mormon, but a large part of my family is. And they are
some of the best people I am related to.
I stay in this shit filled room because I believe that just leaving
doesn't do anything to clean up the crap.
Your saying that part of what DJT does justifies the rest of what he
does sounds like those who looked the other way in Germany in
1936. OH look he has saved the economy and built the autobahn.
Look deeper into the government and economy that Hitler built and
you find it was all debt financing and without the war is was just
about to destroy itself. And guess what is going on in the US
right now. EXACTLY THE SAME.
I consider myself centrist. But there is now and never a way to
justify the way that ICE is violating the constitution and the
blessing of that by the current administration. This has nothing
to do with previous administrations except for the contribution that
they had in creating justifications for people to create what we
have Now.. Now we have to be clear that what is going on is NOT
ok. And being indifferent to it is abetting it. Going and saying
that people who are being aghast at what is going on have TDS is
saying you are on the side of the federal government taking people
filming or helping someone up off the street and killing them is a
country that is good with you. Basically you are agreeing with the
tenants of a National Socialist Workers Party. And that anyone who
isn't is subject to Jail and death. You can kick me out of this
group if you want but taunting me to leave or shut up isn't going to
work. That's what bullies do.
I am directing this to you, Chuck, because you are/were the heart of
this list. The members here are hear because of what you gathered
around you, very much including me. To find out you bless someone
of what DJT does makes it alright for what else he does sounds like
the teasings of the devil have embraced you. And that makes me
sad.
On 1/25/26 8:51 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I used to
believe that the big L Democrats, AKA "party of the elites"
were full of educated, well read, literate, urbane,
compassionate basket weavers – But when one does ad hominim
postings like this, devoid of example and cogent argument –
kinda proves the point that big L TDS folk are more hateful
and ignorant than the illiterate, unwashed, toothless,
rednecked, guns and god, deplorables.
When your in a shit fill room, aren't the smartest people the
ones who leave first?
Hard to think anyone with a brain would ever support Trump or
MAGA.
All the calls for "no talk of politics" is delusional when its
this impactful to everyones lives, typically spewed by "the
right" cowards and other deplorables who can't defend their
positions.
On 1/24/26 11:32 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
If
I did move the list to my own servers it would probably
update faster…. But I am lazy…..
Interesting,
seems only liberals get pissed and leave. I wonder what a
sociologist would have to say about that…
From: AF
[mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2026 10:19 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland
Yeah….
I love a good pot stir.
I
think you would fail the Turing test for the wrong reasons
though…
Take
your own advice and “don’t post this political shit. “
Because
it is all opinion. Full of falsehoods, rhetoric,
hyperbole and minor particles of truth totally
surrounded by horseshit. Yours more than most in my
opinion.
Or
just sit back and enjoy the game.
Or
you can leave. Like you say, it is a terrible
platform… Why would you want to even hang around here…
From: AF
[mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Ryan Ray Sent: Friday, January 23, 2026 7:41 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland
I just went back and looked, and my
first post here was in 2012. So maybe not 20 years here,
but 13.
I can remember some pretty garbage
times on this list every time politics get raised,
even to the point of certain people leaving, because
this is a terrible platform to trump(et) your views.
Been on the internet for over 30 years and not once
have I seen sane political discourse on message boards
or social media. It's even worse with astroturfing in
every direction, literal bots riling up people in
whatever direction Russia or India or China wants.
You've seen it, you've seen the bot problems on all
social media, and yet David talks about the USA
standing up to Russia like they're doing fucking
anything about it. Other countries try to get rid of
the garbage social media companies from the USA and
trumpster unilaterally threatens tariffs and cries
like a little baby.
The fact that the USA has gone so
far down the path that you literally have a man who
apparently can do whatever they want with no
consequences is the broke brain part of my statements.
A literal rapist, thief. Cool. Nice job. You guys did
it. Build the wall and ya'll can sort each-other out.
Pick and choose your platforms,
figure out what is real and what isn't. Go talk to
people in the physical world. You'll get to understand
your fellow man a lot quicker and if your aim is to
make change.
OT in the subject line frequently
means political shit. Many have been hanging here
20 years. We can bitch without having social media
algorithms listening. There is an animal farm FB
group but it is unused. I think..
David, you are honestly
clueless, there is nothing that can be said
to you to get you to see the light. This is
extremely typical with your ilk. You can see
it in your responses of things like "libs"
or "the left"
Have a good day, stop
posting political shit here.
On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at
4:49 PM David Hannum via AF <[email protected]>
wrote:
See the response when
you give a response that has thought
behind it! Libs just resort to personal
insults. It's all they have. No
rebuttals, just personal attacks. Sad
. . .
On Fri, Jan 23,
2026 at 12:25 PM David Hannum via
AF <[email protected]>
wrote:
I disagree.
I don't think our allies
distrust us. They don't LIKE
lots of what Trump does, I think
they see strength. I think they
see "America First" and they
respect that because they
understand that as the USA goes,
they go. They need a stron,
unapologetic US who will stick
their finger in the face of
Russia and China. They need us
to be like that because they
can't/won't be like that for
themselves. The European
nations are all followers - not
leaders. Biden & Obama did
not lead. Obama was
apologetic of the success of the
US. My biggest fear is what
comes AFTER Trump? Every
country in the world can't be
equal. Nothing gets done. And
China and Russia aren't going to
play that game.
Dave
On Fri, Jan
23, 2026 at 3:13 PM Bill
Prince <[email protected]> wrote:
It's still totally
unnecessary, and does
nothing but create confusion
and distrust. If you want
our allies to distrust us,
then do shit like this.
May actually be too late.
They already distrust us,
and China and Russia are
loving it. Just look at what
Carney said.
Stick an arrow pointing out
of his ass, and that's
probably where we should be
going.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On
1/22/2026 9:07 AM, David
Hannum via AF wrote:
Even
if it is what existed
before, the world is on
notice that we are
planning to deploy
defense systems there.
So yea, it's still a win
and Trump can take a
victory lap (like he
needs a reason . . . )
Dave
On
Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at
11:47 AM Bill Prince
<[email protected]> wrote:
Even though it was
Wednesday, I will
call it a TACO day
(follow the stock
market).
There are zero
details of what the
"deal" is or isn't,
and I'm betting it's
essentially what
existed before.
Prove me wrong.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On
1/22/2026 7:43 AM,
Rory Conaway
wrote:
Looks like Trump got the deal he wanted. Everyone is
happy :).
Rory
On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 7:11 AM MVTVWISPA <[email protected]>
wrote:
David-
I
too read that
exact
information
from Facebook
posts word for
word.
From: AF
<[email protected]>
On Behalf
Of David
Hannum via AF Sent:
Wednesday,
January 21,
2026 3:33 PM To:
AnimalFarm
Microwave
Users Group
<[email protected]> Cc:
David Hannum
<[email protected]> Subject:
[AFMUG] OT -
Greenland
So many think
Trump is a
bully on
Greenland . .
. If you think
he's so
terrible, you
absolutely
don’t know
history.
1) 1867 –
Andrew
Johnson:
explored
buying
Greenland
& Iceland
(right after
Alaska).
2)
WWII – FDR:
U.S. took over
Greenland’s
defense while
Denmark was
occupied.
3) 1946 –
Truman:
offered $100M
in gold to buy
it.
4) Cold War –
Eisenhower →
Kennedy:
nonstop
negotiations
for bases,
radar,
missiles.
5) Post–Cold
War –
Clinton/Bush/Obama:
expanded
Arctic
security &
missile
defense.
6) 2019 –
Trump: said
publicly what
presidents
discussed
privately for
150+ years.
The U.S.
didn’t
“suddenly”
want
Greenland.
It’s been
defending it,
negotiating
it, and
embedding
there since
the 1800s.
Greenland =
Arctic power,
shipping
lanes,
missiles,
minerals.
Trump didn’t
invent it.
His crime is
he said the
quiet part out
loud.
=======================
NATO
Secretary
General Mark
Rutte said on
Jan. 21 at the
World Economic
Forum in
Davos,
Switzerland,
that Trump is
spot on about
the importance
of Greenland
to
security. He
said, "When it
comes to the
Arctic, I
think
President
Trump is
right. Other
leaders in
NATO are
right. We need
to defend the
Arctic. There
are eight
countries
bordering on
the Arctic.
Seven are
members of
NATO. That’s
Finland,
Sweden,
Norway,
Denmark,
Iceland,
Canada, and
the U.S.,”
Rutte said.
"And there’s
only one
country
bordering on
the Arctic
outside NATO,
and that’s
Russia. And I
would argue
there is a
ninth country,
which is
China, which
is
increasingly
active in the
Arctic region.
So, President
Trump and
other leaders
are right, we
have to do
more there; we
have to
protect the
Arctic."
