You really need to broaden your media intake Steve.

On Mon, Jan 26, 2026, 12:39 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]>
wrote:

> ICE is/was INS, well before 9/11. Remember that kid elon or whatever with
> the "assault rifle" in his face. Immigration has been cracking skulls since
> I was a kid, we just didnt have the internet. And we didnt have the
> leftists out making it into a whole thing. Its a coordinated effort, just
> like when our boy was 45 to breed mayhem. Obamas ICE and dotard Bidens ICE
> was cracking just as many skulls, it just wasnt reported by a complicit
> media, that is without discussion a simple matter of fact. Remember Trumps
> kid cages that ended up being Barrys? Have to remember, like pepperidge
> farms remembers, the lod leftists in congress used to say the same thing
> the right is saying, only it fell out of political favor as the voter base
> became engaged at a younger age. Hell, I even remember the superpredators.
> Splitting up families is only a leftist concern during republican
> administrations, and the lefts cares zero when we do it to our own when
> they commit crimes and go to jail, seperating families.
>
> If you sit back and take a legitimate look at the goings on, the turmoil
> and chaos comes 100 percent from the left in this. ICE is taking those
> illegals, regardless, that was happening anyway. the left chose to
> light shit on fire, fist fight and attack ICE. with the sheer number of
> times these morons have tried running over ICE and DHS agents, its amazing
> that dumb girl is the only one that got their face blown off, rightfully.
>
> The only difference is you now have a governor threatening to try to use a
> national guard against the federal government, id like him to, that just
> something id like to see play out on a personal level. You have mayors
> blatantly directing community members to turn up the heat, repeatedly. Its
> so laughable to watch the same mopes claim trump directed an insurection
> when he told them to stay peaceful also claim these governors and mayors
> arent inciting anything. its relaly why the american left is the laughing
> stock of the productive world. Islam, in particular loves the American left
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 26, 2026 at 11:53 AM Jason McKemie <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I don't live in a sanctuary city, so I can speak for what has happened
>> there now or in the past - or ascribe intention.  My main issue is the way
>> ICE, and those in charge of ICE, are conducting themselves.  There is the
>> performative aspect of it - if you really want to catch a bunch of
>> criminals you don't make a big show in advance about how you're going into
>> an area.  Once you've done this a majority of the actual criminals are
>> already gone or laying low, so you're much less likely to catch them (we
>> want to catch criminals to hold them accountable and/or deport them).  What
>> you're left with is harassing, detaining (or worse) people who are
>> non-criminal illegals, legal immigrants, US citizens, and everywhere in
>> between - many of whom are in the process of trying to be here legally.
>> Then there is how they are stepping all over the constitution, which should
>> worry everyone, not just people who are here illegally.  We let the feds
>> establish these agencies in the wake of 9/11 and should have kept much
>> better oversight of them - every president and congress member between then
>> and now has contributed to this - now we're reaping the whirlwind.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2026, 9:28 AM David Hannum via AF <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I recognize folks are free to feel however they feel about Trump, ICE,
>>> whatever.  I have a question though . . . What is the thought behind
>>> protecting criminal immigrants?  I've never heard an explanation.  The
>>> reason ICE is doing what the are doing is because time after time,
>>> sanctuary cities have released immigrants convicted of crimes - many of
>>> them violent crimes - out of their hatred for Trump and the Right.  How
>>> does this benefits our society?  And please, don't just deflect to how
>>> stupid I am or how terrible Trump and MAGA is.  Please educate us
>>> deplorable.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2026, 1:45 AM Robert <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How about answering the questions which I actually was asking for
>>>> answers to...  That wasn't a set of idle questions.  I really wanted to
>>>> know.  And I just watched Ryan McBeth's vid which was much more helpful...
>>>>
>>>> On 1/25/26 9:45 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ahh parroting kamalas boi, ood to see you stay on script
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 25, 2026 at 11:35 PM Robert <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mark,
>>>>>     What are the numbers of ICE agents deployed in large groups in
>>>>> other states?  Are there other large scale targeted enforcements in other
>>>>> states?  Is there a disparity of targeted deployments between blue and red
>>>>> states?  It is happening in other states like the shooting in Oregon, 
>>>>> which
>>>>> was a case of justified enforcement.  The situation might be different in
>>>>> MN because ICE is being more aggressive in MN..
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/25/26 7:42 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Are we to assume the only good men/women are from MN?  This is not
>>>>> happening in other states.  Yes the are protest in other states, but why
>>>>> are they so violent in MN?  ICE is functioning and arresting people all
>>>>> over the county.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>  Mark                            mailto:[email protected]
>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Myakka Communications
>>>>>
>>>>> www.Myakka.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sunday, January 25, 2026, 9:59:10 PM, you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At the conference table and in the minds of men, the free world’s
>>>>> cause is strengthened because it is just. But it is strengthened even more
>>>>> by the dedicated efforts of free men and free nations. As the great
>>>>> parliamentarian Edmund Burke said,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to
>>>>> do nothing.” John F. Kennedy 1961 *Because these people know what
>>>>> happened in Germany because people stayed in their homes and didn't care.
>>>>> There would be no evidence of what happened to Alexx except the lies of 
>>>>> the
>>>>> administration if the others had not been there to video it.  They have to
>>>>> be there because of the lack of truth otherwise.  They risk and lose their
>>>>> lives to protect your rights.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/25/26 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Jason,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I go back to my original question.  Why was he even there?  What
>>>>> possesses an intelligent man to pick up his gun and go out in sub-zero 
>>>>> temperatures
>>>>> to observe?  All of these observers must now know there is an
>>>>> increased chance they will be injured or even killed.  Why would you
>>>>> voluntary go into that type of situation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>  Mark                            mailto:[email protected]
>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Myakka Communications
>>>>>
>>>>> www.Myakka.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sunday, January 25, 2026, 8:20:11 PM, you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They were spraying him with pepper spray before they even took him to
>>>>> the ground. This is not a FAFO situation. They do not have a right to 
>>>>> shoot
>>>>> anyone because they have a holstered weapon on them. These guys are
>>>>> amateurs and should never have been given a weapon and any authority.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 25, 2026, 7:13 PM Chuck <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> He violently resisted arrest.  You always are in the wrong and you
>>>>>> always lose.  Add gun, dead.  Simple.  I see the cops taking a magazine,
>>>>>> not a gun.  FAFO. Dont in LEA.
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 25, 2026, at 5:58 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There is zero evidence that Pretti was picking a fight. He had a
>>>>>> handgun on him, it was holstered until the ICE officer removed it 
>>>>>> himself.
>>>>>> Where are the 2nd amendment people on this? Now carrying a weapon 
>>>>>> (legally,
>>>>>> mind you) around law enforcement is justification for deadly force? I've
>>>>>> watched a couple of the recordings and the administration is outright 
>>>>>> lying
>>>>>> about this. Full stop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 25, 2026, 5:49 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump Bad, Trump Good, ICE Bad, ICE Good, Renee Bystander, Renee
>>>>>>> Domestic Terrorist, Alex Bystander, Alex Domestic Terrorist.  It is
>>>>>>> pointless to discuss these topics.  People are too far entrenched in 
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> opinions.  Nothing one side can say will ever change the mind of the 
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> side.  The two sides will watch the exact same videos and come up with
>>>>>>> polar opposite opinions of what happened.  Even if something is proven 
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> complete fact by one side, it will be dismissed as false news or a 
>>>>>>> cover up
>>>>>>> by the other side.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My question is why Minnesota, specifically Minneapolis and St.
>>>>>>> Paul.  Why has it become so violent and filled with hate just there.  
>>>>>>> We do
>>>>>>> not see this level of hate anywhere else in the country.  ICE seems to 
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> making arrests without incident all around the rest of the country.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What makes an intelligent man (ICU Nurse) decide he is going to grab
>>>>>>> his gun and go fight ICE agents.  What happen to this man's thought
>>>>>>> process?  Does anyone here have that level of hate where they will 
>>>>>>> decide
>>>>>>> to grab their gun and venture out in sub-zero weather looking to pick a
>>>>>>> fight with armed ICE agents?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When did it become acceptable to storm a church during a service?
>>>>>>> Protest outside if you want, but storming in during a service.  Where 
>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>> this hate come from.  Trump or Waltz, depends what side you are on.  I
>>>>>>> pretty sure the people storming the church had more hate than the people
>>>>>>> inside the church in this case.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The ICE agents are there to do a job, like it or not.  I don't
>>>>>>> understand when it became acceptable to interfere in an arrest that you
>>>>>>> know nothing about.  You may agree or disagree with Trump's policies, 
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> that does not mean you can interfere with law enforcement doing their 
>>>>>>> job.
>>>>>>> Like it or not, believe it or not, they are arresting some bad people.
>>>>>>> They also are making some questionable arrests.  But being an "observer"
>>>>>>> that knows nothing about what the arrest is about and interfering in not
>>>>>>> the answer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is only going to get worst.  The ICE agents are very skittish
>>>>>>> with good reason.  One could argue that in most situations they may be 
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> fear of their lives.  It is just a matter of time before an ICE agent is
>>>>>>> killed.  There will be more "observer" deaths. Some will celebrate while
>>>>>>> others rage.  End of the day it is very sad whenever someone dies for no
>>>>>>> good reason.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some will say Trump just has to back down, others will say Waltz
>>>>>>> needs to get control of his State.  I fear neither of these men will do
>>>>>>> this and more deaths will result.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Blame whoever you want, continue the name calling, continue the fear
>>>>>>> mongering, fuel the hate, It is truly a sad time in our history.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Mark                            mailto:[email protected]
>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   <https://www.Myakka.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sunday, January 25, 2026, 3:01:58 PM, you wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So what I am hearing from you, Chuck, between the lines, is that you
>>>>>>> abet the murder of Alex Pretti?  That the actions of ICE in MN is ok
>>>>>>> because of the premise of removing "illegal" immigrants?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Come on I thought you understood that the legitimacy of a small good
>>>>>>> isn't justification of evil.   The lies that were put forth right off 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> bat in the murder of Alex are not, in any circumstance, justifiable.  
>>>>>>> Not
>>>>>>> to someone who truly believes the Mormon religion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I am not Mormon, but a large part of my family is.   And they are
>>>>>>> some of the best people I am related to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I stay in this shit filled room because I believe that just leaving
>>>>>>> doesn't do anything to clean up the crap.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your saying that part of what DJT does justifies the rest of what he
>>>>>>> does sounds like those who looked the other way in Germany in 1936.   OH
>>>>>>> look he has saved the economy and built the autobahn.   Look deeper into
>>>>>>> the government and economy that Hitler built and you find it was all 
>>>>>>> debt
>>>>>>> financing and without the war is was just about to destroy itself.   And
>>>>>>> guess what is going on in the US right now.  EXACTLY THE SAME.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I consider myself centrist.  But there is now and never a way to
>>>>>>> justify the way that ICE is violating the constitution and the blessing 
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> that by the current administration.   This has nothing to do with 
>>>>>>> previous
>>>>>>> administrations except for the contribution that they had in creating
>>>>>>> justifications for people to create what we have Now..    Now we have 
>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>> clear that what is going on is NOT ok.   And being indifferent to it is
>>>>>>> abetting it.   Going and saying that people who are being aghast at 
>>>>>>> what is
>>>>>>> going on have TDS is saying you are on the side of the federal 
>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>> taking people filming or helping someone up off the street and killing 
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> is a country that is good with you.   Basically you are agreeing with 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> tenants of a National Socialist Workers Party.   And that anyone who 
>>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>>> is subject to Jail and death.    You can kick me out of this group if 
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> want but taunting me to leave or shut up isn't going to work.   That's 
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> bullies do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am directing this to you, Chuck, because you are/were the heart of
>>>>>>> this list.   The members here are hear because of what you gathered 
>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>> you, very much including me.   To find out you bless someone of what DJT
>>>>>>> does makes it alright for what else he does sounds like the teasings of 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> devil have embraced you.    And that makes me sad.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/25/26 8:51 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I used to believe that the big L Democrats, AKA "party of the
>>>>>>> elites" were full of educated, well read, literate, urbane, 
>>>>>>> compassionate
>>>>>>> basket weavers – But when one does ad hominim postings like this, 
>>>>>>> devoid of
>>>>>>> example and cogent argument – kinda proves the point that  big L TDS 
>>>>>>> folk
>>>>>>> are more hateful and ignorant than the illiterate, unwashed, toothless,
>>>>>>> rednecked, guns and god, deplorables.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> QED
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But yet you remain in the shit filled room… odd.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>]
>>>>>>> *On Behalf Of *Dietrich Rushing via AF
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 25, 2026 8:05 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>>>> *Cc:* Dietrich Rushing <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When your in a shit fill room, aren't the smartest people the ones
>>>>>>> who leave first?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hard to think anyone with a brain would ever support Trump  or MAGA.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All the calls for "no talk of politics" is delusional when its this
>>>>>>> impactful to everyones lives, typically spewed by "the right" cowards 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> other deplorables who can't defend their positions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/24/26 11:32 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I did move the list to my own servers it would probably update
>>>>>>> faster…. But I am lazy…..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Interesting, seems only liberals get pissed and leave.  I wonder
>>>>>>> what a sociologist would have to say about that…
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>]
>>>>>>> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 24, 2026 10:19 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah…. I love a good pot stir.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think you would fail the Turing test for the wrong reasons though…
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>]
>>>>>>> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 24, 2026 10:05 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Especially with AIs like me stirring the pot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/24/2026 8:47 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You got three choices”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Take your own advice and “don’t post this political shit. “
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because it is all opinion.  Full of falsehoods, rhetoric, hyperbole
>>>>>>> and minor particles of truth totally surrounded by horseshit.  Yours 
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> than most in my opinion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or just sit back and enjoy the game.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or you can leave.  Like you say, it is a terrible platform…   Why
>>>>>>> would you want to even hang around here…
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>]
>>>>>>> *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 23, 2026 7:41 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just went back and looked, and my first post here was in 2012. So
>>>>>>> maybe not 20 years here, but 13.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can remember some pretty garbage times on this list every time
>>>>>>> politics get raised, even to the point of certain people leaving, 
>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>> this is a terrible platform to trump(et) your views. Been on the 
>>>>>>> internet
>>>>>>> for over 30 years and not once have I seen sane political discourse on
>>>>>>> message boards or social media. It's even worse with astroturfing in 
>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>> direction, literal bots riling up people in whatever direction Russia or
>>>>>>> India or China wants. You've seen it, you've seen the bot problems on 
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> social media, and yet David talks about the USA standing up to Russia 
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> they're doing fucking anything about it. Other countries try to get rid 
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the garbage social media companies from the USA and trumpster 
>>>>>>> unilaterally
>>>>>>> threatens tariffs and cries like a little baby.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The fact that the USA has gone so far down the path that you
>>>>>>> literally have a man who apparently can do whatever they want with no
>>>>>>> consequences is the broke brain part of my statements. A literal rapist,
>>>>>>> thief. Cool. Nice job. You guys did it. Build the wall and ya'll can 
>>>>>>> sort
>>>>>>> each-other out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pick and choose your platforms, figure out what is real and what
>>>>>>> isn't. Go talk to people in the physical world. You'll get to understand
>>>>>>> your fellow man a lot quicker and if your aim is to make change.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 5:51 PM Chuck <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OT in the subject line frequently means political shit.  Many have
>>>>>>> been hanging here 20 years.  We can bitch without having social media
>>>>>>> algorithms listening.  There is an animal farm FB group but it is 
>>>>>>> unused.
>>>>>>> I think..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 23, 2026, at 5:56 PM, Ryan Ray <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David, you are honestly clueless, there is nothing that can be said
>>>>>>> to you to get you to see the light. This is extremely typical with your
>>>>>>> ilk. You can see it in your responses of things like "libs" or "the 
>>>>>>> left"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have a good day, stop posting political shit here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 4:49 PM David Hannum via AF <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See the response when you give a response that has thought behind
>>>>>>> it!  Libs just resort to personal insults.  It's all they have.  No
>>>>>>> rebuttals,  just personal attacks.  Sad . . .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2026, 7:44 PM Ryan Ray <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <image.png>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 12:25 PM David Hannum via AF <
>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I disagree.  I don't think our allies distrust us.  They don't LIKE
>>>>>>> lots of what Trump does, I think they see strength.  I think they see
>>>>>>> "America First" and they respect that because they understand that as 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> USA goes, they go.  They need a stron, unapologetic US who will stick 
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> finger in the face of Russia and China.  They need us to be like that
>>>>>>> because they can't/won't be like that for themselves.  The European 
>>>>>>> nations
>>>>>>> are all followers - not leaders.  Biden & Obama did not lead.  Obama was
>>>>>>> apologetic of the success of the US.  My biggest fear is what comes 
>>>>>>> AFTER
>>>>>>> Trump?  Every country in the world can't be equal.  Nothing gets done.  
>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>> China and Russia aren't going to play that game.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 3:13 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's still totally unnecessary, and does nothing but create
>>>>>>> confusion and distrust. If you want our allies to distrust us, then do 
>>>>>>> shit
>>>>>>> like this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> May actually be too late. They already distrust us, and China and
>>>>>>> Russia are loving it. Just look at what Carney said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stick an arrow pointing out of his ass, and that's probably where we
>>>>>>> should be going.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/22/2026 9:07 AM, David Hannum via AF wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even if it is what existed before, the world is on notice that we
>>>>>>> are planning to deploy defense systems there.  So yea, it's still a win 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> Trump can take a victory lap (like he needs a reason . . . )
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 11:47 AM Bill Prince <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even though it was Wednesday, I will call it a TACO day (follow the
>>>>>>> stock market).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are zero details of what the "deal" is or isn't, and I'm
>>>>>>> betting it's essentially what existed before.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Prove me wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/22/2026 7:43 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looks like Trump got the deal he wanted.  Everyone is happy :).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rory
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 7:11 AM MVTVWISPA <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I too read that exact information from Facebook posts word for word.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *David Hannum
>>>>>>> via AF
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2026 3:33 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> *Cc:* David Hannum <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT - Greenland
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So many think Trump is a bully on Greenland . . . If you think he's
>>>>>>> so terrible, you absolutely don’t know history.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1)  1867 – Andrew Johnson: explored buying Greenland & Iceland
>>>>>>> (right after Alaska).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2)  WWII – FDR: U.S. took over Greenland’s defense while Denmark was
>>>>>>> occupied.
>>>>>>> 3)  1946 – Truman: offered $100M in gold to buy it.
>>>>>>> 4)  Cold War – Eisenhower → Kennedy: nonstop negotiations for bases,
>>>>>>> radar, missiles.
>>>>>>> 5)  Post–Cold War – Clinton/Bush/Obama: expanded Arctic security &
>>>>>>> missile defense.
>>>>>>> 6)  2019 – Trump: said publicly what presidents discussed privately
>>>>>>> for 150+ years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The U.S. didn’t “suddenly” want Greenland.
>>>>>>> It’s been defending it, negotiating it, and embedding there since
>>>>>>> the 1800s.
>>>>>>> Greenland = Arctic power, shipping lanes, missiles, minerals.
>>>>>>> Trump didn’t invent it. His crime is he said the quiet part out loud.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =======================
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte said on Jan. 21 at the World
>>>>>>> Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, that Trump is spot on about the
>>>>>>> importance of Greenland to security.  He said, "When it comes to the
>>>>>>> Arctic, I think President Trump is right. Other leaders in NATO are 
>>>>>>> right.
>>>>>>> We need to defend the Arctic.  There are eight countries bordering on 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Arctic. Seven are members of NATO. That’s Finland, Sweden, Norway, 
>>>>>>> Denmark,
>>>>>>> Iceland, Canada, and the U.S.,” Rutte said.
>>>>>>> "And there’s only one country bordering on the Arctic outside NATO,
>>>>>>> and that’s Russia. And I would argue there is a ninth country, which is
>>>>>>> China, which is increasingly active in the Arctic region. So, President
>>>>>>> Trump and other leaders are right, we have to do more there; we have to
>>>>>>> protect the Arctic."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave Hannum
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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