At
the conference table and in the minds of men, the free world’s
cause is strengthened because it is just. But it is strengthened
even more by the dedicated efforts of free men and free nations.
As the great parliamentarian Edmund Burke said,“The
only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing.”
John F. Kennedy 1961
Because
these people know what happened in Germany because people stayed
in their homes and didn't care. There would be no evidence of
what happened to Alexx except the lies of the administration if
the others had not been there to video it. They have to be there
because of the lack of truth otherwise. They risk and lose their
lives to protect your rights.
On 1/25/26 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka
Technologies via AF wrote:
Jason,
I go back to my original question. Why was he even there?
What possesses an intelligent man to pick up his gun
and go out in sub-zero temperatures to observe? All of these
observers must now know there is an increased chance they will
be injured or even killed. Why would you voluntary go into
that type of situation.
They were spraying him with pepper spray before
they even took him to the ground. This is not a FAFO
situation. They do not have a right to shoot anyone because
they have a holstered weapon on them. These guys are amateurs
and should never have been given a weapon and any authority.
He violently resisted arrest. You always
are in the wrong and you always lose. Add gun, dead.
Simple. I see the cops taking a magazine, not a gun.
FAFO. Dont in LEA.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 25, 2026, at 5:58 PM,
Jason McKemie <[email protected]>
wrote:
There is zero evidence that Pretti was
picking a fight. He had a handgun on him, it was
holstered until the ICE officer removed it himself.
Where are the 2nd amendment people on this? Now
carrying a weapon (legally, mind you) around law
enforcement is justification for deadly force? I've
watched a couple of the recordings and the
administration is outright lying about this. Full
stop.
On Sun, Jan 25,
2026, 5:49 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF
<[email protected]>
wrote:
Trump Bad, Trump Good, ICE Bad, ICE Good,
Renee Bystander, Renee Domestic Terrorist,
Alex Bystander, Alex Domestic Terrorist. It
is pointless to discuss these topics. People
are too far entrenched in their opinions.
Nothing one side can say will ever change the
mind of the other side. The two sides will
watch the exact same videos and come up with
polar opposite opinions of what happened.
Even if something is proven as complete fact
by one side, it will be dismissed as false
news or a cover up by the other side.
My question is why Minnesota, specifically
Minneapolis and St. Paul. Why has it become
so violent and filled with hate just there.
We do not see this level of hate anywhere else
in the country. ICE seems to be making
arrests without incident all around the rest
of the country.
What makes an intelligent man (ICU Nurse)
decide he is going to grab his gun and go
fight ICE agents. What happen to this man's
thought process? Does anyone here have that
level of hate where they will decide to grab
their gun and venture out in sub-zero weather
looking to pick a fight with armed ICE
agents?
When did it become acceptable to storm a
church during a service? Protest outside if
you want, but storming in during a service.
Where did this hate come from. Trump or
Waltz, depends what side you are on. I pretty
sure the people storming the church had more
hate than the people inside the church in this
case.
The ICE agents are there to do a job, like it
or not. I don't understand when it became
acceptable to interfere in an arrest that you
know nothing about. You may agree or disagree
with Trump's policies, but that does not mean
you can interfere with law enforcement doing
their job. Like it or not, believe it or not,
they are arresting some bad people. They also
are making some questionable arrests. But
being an "observer" that knows nothing about
what the arrest is about and interfering in
not the answer.
This is only going to get worst. The ICE
agents are very skittish with good reason.
One could argue that in most situations they
may be in fear of their lives. It is just a
matter of time before an ICE agent is killed.
There will be more "observer" deaths. Some
will celebrate while others rage. End of the
day it is very sad whenever someone dies for
no good reason.
Some will say Trump just has to back down,
others will say Waltz needs to get control of
his State. I fear neither of these men will
do this and more deaths will result.
Blame whoever you want, continue the name
calling, continue the fear mongering, fuel the
hate, It is truly a sad time in our history.
So what I am hearing from you,
Chuck, between the lines, is that you abet the
murder of Alex Pretti? That the actions of
ICE in MN is ok because of the premise of
removing "illegal" immigrants?
Come on I thought you understood that the
legitimacy of a small good isn't justification
of evil. The lies that were put forth right
off the bat in the murder of Alex are not, in
any circumstance, justifiable. Not to someone
who truly believes the Mormon religion.
I am not Mormon, but a large part of my
family is. And they are some of the best
people I am related to.
I stay in this shit filled room because I
believe that just leaving doesn't do anything
to clean up the crap.
Your saying that part of what DJT does
justifies the rest of what he does sounds like
those who looked the other way in Germany in
1936. OH look he has saved the economy and
built the autobahn. Look deeper into the
government and economy that Hitler built and
you find it was all debt financing and without
the war is was just about to destroy itself.
And guess what is going on in the US right
now. EXACTLY THE SAME.
I consider myself centrist. But there is now
and never a way to justify the way that ICE is
violating the constitution and the blessing of
that by the current administration. This has
nothing to do with previous administrations
except for the contribution that they had in
creating justifications for people to create
what we have Now.. Now we have to be clear
that what is going on is NOT ok. And being
indifferent to it is abetting it. Going and
saying that people who are being aghast at
what is going on have TDS is saying you are on
the side of the federal government taking
people filming or helping someone up off the
street and killing them is a country that is
good with you. Basically you are agreeing
with the tenants of a National Socialist
Workers Party. And that anyone who isn't is
subject to Jail and death. You can kick me
out of this group if you want but taunting me
to leave or shut up isn't going to work.
That's what bullies do.
I am directing this to you, Chuck, because you
are/were the heart of this list. The members
here are hear because of what you gathered
around you, very much including me. To find
out you bless someone of what DJT does makes
it alright for what else he does sounds like
the teasings of the devil have embraced
you. And that makes me sad.
On 1/25/26 8:51 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I used to
believe that the big L Democrats, AKA
"party of the elites" were full of
educated, well read, literate, urbane,
compassionate basket weavers – But
when one does ad hominim postings like
this, devoid of example and cogent
argument – kinda proves the point that
big L TDS folk are more hateful and
ignorant than the illiterate,
unwashed, toothless, rednecked, guns
and god, deplorables.
When your in a shit fill room, aren't
the smartest people the ones who leave
first?
Hard to think anyone with a brain would
ever support Trump or MAGA.
All the calls for "no talk of politics"
is delusional when its this impactful to
everyones lives, typically spewed by
"the right" cowards and other
deplorables who can't defend their
positions.
On 1/24/26 11:32
AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
If
I did move the list to my own
servers it would probably update
faster…. But I am lazy…..
Interesting,
seems only liberals get pissed and
leave. I wonder what a sociologist
would have to say about that…
From: AF
[mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Chuck
McCown Sent: Saturday, January
24, 2026 10:19 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave
Users Group' <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT -
Greenland
Yeah….
I love a good pot stir.
I
think you would fail the Turing test
for the wrong reasons though…
Take
your own advice and “don’t post
this political shit. “
Because
it is all opinion. Full of
falsehoods, rhetoric, hyperbole
and minor particles of truth
totally surrounded by horseshit.
Yours more than most in my
opinion.
Or
just sit back and enjoy the game.
Or
you can leave. Like you say, it
is a terrible platform… Why
would you want to even hang around
here…
From: AF
[mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Ryan Ray Sent: Friday, January 23,
2026 7:41 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave
Users Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT -
Greenland
I just went
back and looked, and my first post
here was in 2012. So maybe not 20
years here, but 13.
I can
remember some pretty garbage
times on this list every time
politics get raised, even to the
point of certain people leaving,
because this is a terrible
platform to trump(et) your
views. Been on the internet for
over 30 years and not once have
I seen sane political discourse
on message boards or social
media. It's even worse with
astroturfing in every direction,
literal bots riling up people in
whatever direction Russia or
India or China wants. You've
seen it, you've seen the bot
problems on all social media,
and yet David talks about the
USA standing up to Russia like
they're doing fucking anything
about it. Other countries try to
get rid of the garbage social
media companies from the USA and
trumpster unilaterally threatens
tariffs and cries like a little
baby.
The fact that
the USA has gone so far down the
path that you literally have a
man who apparently can do
whatever they want with no
consequences is the broke brain
part of my statements. A literal
rapist, thief. Cool. Nice job.
You guys did it. Build the wall
and ya'll can sort each-other
out.
Pick and
choose your platforms, figure
out what is real and what isn't.
Go talk to people in the
physical world. You'll get to
understand your fellow man a lot
quicker and if your aim is to
make change.
OT in the
subject line frequently means
political shit. Many have
been hanging here 20 years.
We can bitch without having
social media algorithms
listening. There is an animal
farm FB group but it is
unused. I think..
David,
you are honestly
clueless, there is
nothing that can be
said to you to get you
to see the light. This
is extremely typical
with your ilk. You can
see it in your
responses of things
like "libs" or "the
left"
Have
a good day, stop
posting political shit
here.
On
Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at
4:49 PM David Hannum
via AF <[email protected]>
wrote:
See
the response when
you give a
response that has
thought behind
it! Libs just
resort to personal
insults. It's all
they have. No
rebuttals, just
personal attacks.
Sad . . .
On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 12:25 PM David Hannum via AF
<[email protected]>
wrote:
I disagree. I don't think our allies distrust us.
They don't
LIKE lots of
what Trump
does, I think
they see
strength. I
think they see
"America
First" and
they respect
that because
they
understand
that as the
USA goes, they
go. They need
a stron,
unapologetic
US who will
stick their
finger in the
face of Russia
and China.
They need us
to be like
that because
they
can't/won't be
like that for
themselves.
The European
nations are
all followers
- not
leaders.
Biden &
Obama did not
lead. Obama
was
apologetic of
the success of
the US. My
biggest fear
is what comes
AFTER Trump?
Every country
in the world
can't be
equal.
Nothing gets
done. And
China and
Russia aren't
going to play
that game.
Dave
On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 3:13 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]>
wrote:
It's still
totally
unnecessary,
and does
nothing but
create
confusion and
distrust. If
you want our
allies to
distrust us,
then do shit
like this.
May
actually be
too late. They
already
distrust us,
and China and
Russia are
loving it.
Just look at
what Carney
said.
Stick an
arrow pointing
out of his
ass, and
that's
probably where
we should be
going.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 1/22/2026 9:07 AM, David Hannum via AF wrote:
Even if it is what existed before, the world is on
notice that we
are planning
to deploy
defense
systems
there. So
yea, it's
still a win
and Trump can
take a victory
lap (like he
needs a reason
. . . )
Dave
On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 11:47 AM Bill Prince <[email protected]>
wrote:
Even though
it was
Wednesday, I
will call it a
TACO day
(follow the
stock market).
There are
zero details
of what the
"deal" is or
isn't, and I'm
betting it's
essentially
what existed
before.
Prove me
wrong.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 1/22/2026 7:43 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
Looks like Trump got the deal he wanted. Everyone is
happy :).
Rory
On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 7:11 AM MVTVWISPA <[email protected]>
wrote:
David-
I
too read that
exact
information
from Facebook
posts word for
word.
From: AF
<[email protected]>
On Behalf
Of David
Hannum via AF Sent:
Wednesday,
January 21,
2026 3:33 PM To:
AnimalFarm
Microwave
Users Group
<[email protected]> Cc:
David Hannum
<[email protected]> Subject:
[AFMUG] OT -
Greenland
So many think Trump is a bully on Greenland . . . If
you think he's
so terrible,
you absolutely
don’t know
history.
1) 1867 – Andrew Johnson: explored buying Greenland
& Iceland
(right after
Alaska).
2) WWII – FDR: U.S. took
over
Greenland’s
defense while
Denmark was
occupied.
3) 1946 –
Truman:
offered $100M
in gold to buy
it.
4) Cold War –
Eisenhower →
Kennedy:
nonstop
negotiations
for bases,
radar,
missiles.
5) Post–Cold
War –
Clinton/Bush/Obama:
expanded
Arctic
security &
missile
defense.
6) 2019 –
Trump: said
publicly what
presidents
discussed
privately for
150+ years.
The U.S. didn’t “suddenly” want Greenland.
It’s been
defending it,
negotiating
it, and
embedding
there since
the 1800s.
Greenland =
Arctic power,
shipping
lanes,
missiles,
minerals.
Trump didn’t
invent it.
His crime is
he said the
quiet part out
loud.
=======================
NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte said on Jan. 21 at
the World
Economic Forum
in Davos,
Switzerland,
that Trump is
spot on about
the importance
of Greenland
to
security. He
said, "When it
comes to the
Arctic, I
think
President
Trump is
right. Other
leaders in
NATO are
right. We need
to defend the
Arctic. There
are eight
countries
bordering on
the Arctic.
Seven are
members of
NATO. That’s
Finland,
Sweden,
Norway,
Denmark,
Iceland,
Canada, and
the U.S.,”
Rutte said.
"And there’s
only one
country
bordering on
the Arctic
outside NATO,
and that’s
Russia. And I
would argue
there is a
ninth country,
which is
China, which
is
increasingly
active in the
Arctic region.
So, President
Trump and
other leaders
are right, we
have to do
more there; we
have to
protect the
Arctic."
