He had a right to protest, he had a right to carry a firearm - neither one of these things gives the feds justification for using deadly force. Whether or not it was a good idea is not relevant.
On Sun, Jan 25, 2026, 8:16 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF < [email protected]> wrote: > Jason, > > > > I go back to my original question. Why was he even there? What > possesses an intelligent man to pick up his gun and go out in sub-zero > temperatures > to observe? All of these observers must now know there is an increased > chance they will be injured or even killed. Why would you voluntary go > into that type of situation. > > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Mark mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> > > > Myakka Communications > > www.Myakka.com > > > ------ > > > Sunday, January 25, 2026, 8:20:11 PM, you wrote: > > > They were spraying him with pepper spray before they even took him to the > ground. This is not a FAFO situation. They do not have a right to shoot > anyone because they have a holstered weapon on them. These guys are > amateurs and should never have been given a weapon and any authority. > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2026, 7:13 PM Chuck <[email protected]> wrote: > >> He violently resisted arrest. You always are in the wrong and you always >> lose. Add gun, dead. Simple. I see the cops taking a magazine, not a >> gun. FAFO. Dont in LEA. >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 25, 2026, at 5:58 PM, Jason McKemie < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> There is zero evidence that Pretti was picking a fight. He had a handgun >> on him, it was holstered until the ICE officer removed it himself. Where >> are the 2nd amendment people on this? Now carrying a weapon (legally, mind >> you) around law enforcement is justification for deadly force? I've watched >> a couple of the recordings and the administration is outright lying about >> this. Full stop. >> >> On Sun, Jan 25, 2026, 5:49 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Trump Bad, Trump Good, ICE Bad, ICE Good, Renee Bystander, Renee >>> Domestic Terrorist, Alex Bystander, Alex Domestic Terrorist. It is >>> pointless to discuss these topics. People are too far entrenched in their >>> opinions. Nothing one side can say will ever change the mind of the other >>> side. The two sides will watch the exact same videos and come up with >>> polar opposite opinions of what happened. Even if something is proven as >>> complete fact by one side, it will be dismissed as false news or a cover up >>> by the other side. >>> >>> >>> >>> My question is why Minnesota, specifically Minneapolis and St. Paul. >>> Why has it become so violent and filled with hate just there. We do not >>> see this level of hate anywhere else in the country. ICE seems to be >>> making arrests without incident all around the rest of the country. >>> >>> >>> >>> What makes an intelligent man (ICU Nurse) decide he is going to grab his >>> gun and go fight ICE agents. What happen to this man's thought process? >>> Does anyone here have that level of hate where they will decide to grab >>> their gun and venture out in sub-zero weather looking to pick a fight with >>> armed ICE agents? >>> >>> >>> >>> When did it become acceptable to storm a church during a service? >>> Protest outside if you want, but storming in during a service. Where did >>> this hate come from. Trump or Waltz, depends what side you are on. I >>> pretty sure the people storming the church had more hate than the people >>> inside the church in this case. >>> >>> >>> >>> The ICE agents are there to do a job, like it or not. I don't >>> understand when it became acceptable to interfere in an arrest that you >>> know nothing about. You may agree or disagree with Trump's policies, but >>> that does not mean you can interfere with law enforcement doing their job. >>> Like it or not, believe it or not, they are arresting some bad people. >>> They also are making some questionable arrests. But being an "observer" >>> that knows nothing about what the arrest is about and interfering in not >>> the answer. >>> >>> >>> >>> This is only going to get worst. The ICE agents are very skittish with >>> good reason. One could argue that in most situations they may be in fear >>> of their lives. It is just a matter of time before an ICE agent is >>> killed. There will be more "observer" deaths. Some will celebrate while >>> others rage. End of the day it is very sad whenever someone dies for no >>> good reason. >>> >>> >>> >>> Some will say Trump just has to back down, others will say Waltz needs >>> to get control of his State. I fear neither of these men will do this and >>> more deaths will result. >>> >>> >>> >>> Blame whoever you want, continue the name calling, continue the fear >>> mongering, fuel the hate, It is truly a sad time in our history. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Mark mailto:[email protected] >>> <[email protected]> >>> >>> <https://www.Myakka.com> >>> >>> >>> ------ >>> >>> >>> Sunday, January 25, 2026, 3:01:58 PM, you wrote: >>> >>> >>> So what I am hearing from you, Chuck, between the lines, is that you >>> abet the murder of Alex Pretti? That the actions of ICE in MN is ok >>> because of the premise of removing "illegal" immigrants? >>> >>> Come on I thought you understood that the legitimacy of a small good >>> isn't justification of evil. The lies that were put forth right off the >>> bat in the murder of Alex are not, in any circumstance, justifiable. Not >>> to someone who truly believes the Mormon religion. >>> >>> I am not Mormon, but a large part of my family is. And they are some >>> of the best people I am related to. >>> >>> I stay in this shit filled room because I believe that just leaving >>> doesn't do anything to clean up the crap. >>> >>> Your saying that part of what DJT does justifies the rest of what he >>> does sounds like those who looked the other way in Germany in 1936. OH >>> look he has saved the economy and built the autobahn. Look deeper into >>> the government and economy that Hitler built and you find it was all debt >>> financing and without the war is was just about to destroy itself. And >>> guess what is going on in the US right now. EXACTLY THE SAME. >>> >>> I consider myself centrist. But there is now and never a way to justify >>> the way that ICE is violating the constitution and the blessing of that by >>> the current administration. This has nothing to do with previous >>> administrations except for the contribution that they had in creating >>> justifications for people to create what we have Now.. Now we have to be >>> clear that what is going on is NOT ok. And being indifferent to it is >>> abetting it. Going and saying that people who are being aghast at what is >>> going on have TDS is saying you are on the side of the federal government >>> taking people filming or helping someone up off the street and killing them >>> is a country that is good with you. Basically you are agreeing with the >>> tenants of a National Socialist Workers Party. And that anyone who isn't >>> is subject to Jail and death. You can kick me out of this group if you >>> want but taunting me to leave or shut up isn't going to work. That's what >>> bullies do. >>> >>> I am directing this to you, Chuck, because you are/were the heart of >>> this list. The members here are hear because of what you gathered around >>> you, very much including me. To find out you bless someone of what DJT >>> does makes it alright for what else he does sounds like the teasings of the >>> devil have embraced you. And that makes me sad. >>> >>> On 1/25/26 8:51 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> >>> I used to believe that the big L Democrats, AKA "party of the elites" >>> were full of educated, well read, literate, urbane, compassionate basket >>> weavers – But when one does ad hominim postings like this, devoid of >>> example and cogent argument – kinda proves the point that big L TDS folk >>> are more hateful and ignorant than the illiterate, unwashed, toothless, >>> rednecked, guns and god, deplorables. >>> >>> >>> >>> QED >>> >>> >>> >>> But yet you remain in the shit filled room… odd. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >>> Behalf Of *Dietrich Rushing via AF >>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 25, 2026 8:05 AM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Cc:* Dietrich Rushing <[email protected]> >>> <[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland >>> >>> >>> >>> When your in a shit fill room, aren't the smartest people the ones who >>> leave first? >>> >>> Hard to think anyone with a brain would ever support Trump or MAGA. >>> >>> All the calls for "no talk of politics" is delusional when its this >>> impactful to everyones lives, typically spewed by "the right" cowards and >>> other deplorables who can't defend their positions. >>> >>> On 1/24/26 11:32 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> >>> If I did move the list to my own servers it would probably update >>> faster…. But I am lazy….. >>> >>> Interesting, seems only liberals get pissed and leave. I wonder what a >>> sociologist would have to say about that… >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >>> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 24, 2026 10:19 AM >>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> >>> <[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland >>> >>> >>> >>> Yeah…. I love a good pot stir. >>> >>> >>> >>> I think you would fail the Turing test for the wrong reasons though… >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >>> Behalf Of *Bill Prince >>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 24, 2026 10:05 AM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland >>> >>> >>> >>> Especially with AIs like me stirring the pot. >>> >>> >>> >>> bp >>> >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>> On 1/24/2026 8:47 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> >>> You got three choices” >>> >>> >>> >>> Take your own advice and “don’t post this political shit. “ >>> >>> Because it is all opinion. Full of falsehoods, rhetoric, hyperbole and >>> minor particles of truth totally surrounded by horseshit. Yours more than >>> most in my opinion. >>> >>> >>> >>> Or just sit back and enjoy the game. >>> >>> >>> >>> Or you can leave. Like you say, it is a terrible platform… Why would >>> you want to even hang around here… >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >>> Behalf Of *Ryan Ray >>> *Sent:* Friday, January 23, 2026 7:41 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>> <[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland >>> >>> >>> >>> I just went back and looked, and my first post here was in 2012. So >>> maybe not 20 years here, but 13. >>> >>> >>> >>> I can remember some pretty garbage times on this list every time >>> politics get raised, even to the point of certain people leaving, because >>> this is a terrible platform to trump(et) your views. Been on the internet >>> for over 30 years and not once have I seen sane political discourse on >>> message boards or social media. It's even worse with astroturfing in every >>> direction, literal bots riling up people in whatever direction Russia or >>> India or China wants. You've seen it, you've seen the bot problems on all >>> social media, and yet David talks about the USA standing up to Russia like >>> they're doing fucking anything about it. Other countries try to get rid of >>> the garbage social media companies from the USA and trumpster unilaterally >>> threatens tariffs and cries like a little baby. >>> >>> >>> >>> The fact that the USA has gone so far down the path that you literally >>> have a man who apparently can do whatever they want with no consequences is >>> the broke brain part of my statements. A literal rapist, thief. Cool. Nice >>> job. You guys did it. Build the wall and ya'll can sort each-other out. >>> >>> >>> >>> Pick and choose your platforms, figure out what is real and what isn't. >>> Go talk to people in the physical world. You'll get to understand your >>> fellow man a lot quicker and if your aim is to make change. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 5:51 PM Chuck <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> OT in the subject line frequently means political shit. Many have been >>> hanging here 20 years. We can bitch without having social media algorithms >>> listening. There is an animal farm FB group but it is unused. I think.. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 23, 2026, at 5:56 PM, Ryan Ray <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> David, you are honestly clueless, there is nothing that can be said to >>> you to get you to see the light. This is extremely typical with your ilk. >>> You can see it in your responses of things like "libs" or "the left" >>> >>> >>> >>> Have a good day, stop posting political shit here. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 4:49 PM David Hannum via AF <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> See the response when you give a response that has thought behind it! >>> Libs just resort to personal insults. It's all they have. No rebuttals, >>> just personal attacks. Sad . . . >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2026, 7:44 PM Ryan Ray <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> <image.png> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 12:25 PM David Hannum via AF <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I disagree. I don't think our allies distrust us. They don't LIKE lots >>> of what Trump does, I think they see strength. I think they see "America >>> First" and they respect that because they understand that as the USA goes, >>> they go. They need a stron, unapologetic US who will stick their finger in >>> the face of Russia and China. They need us to be like that because they >>> can't/won't be like that for themselves. The European nations are all >>> followers - not leaders. Biden & Obama did not lead. Obama was >>> apologetic of the success of the US. My biggest fear is what comes AFTER >>> Trump? Every country in the world can't be equal. Nothing gets done. And >>> China and Russia aren't going to play that game. >>> >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 3:13 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> It's still totally unnecessary, and does nothing but create confusion >>> and distrust. If you want our allies to distrust us, then do shit like this. >>> >>> May actually be too late. They already distrust us, and China and Russia >>> are loving it. Just look at what Carney said. >>> >>> Stick an arrow pointing out of his ass, and that's probably where we >>> should be going. >>> >>> >>> >>> bp >>> >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>> On 1/22/2026 9:07 AM, David Hannum via AF wrote: >>> >>> Even if it is what existed before, the world is on notice that we are >>> planning to deploy defense systems there. So yea, it's still a win and >>> Trump can take a victory lap (like he needs a reason . . . ) >>> >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 11:47 AM Bill Prince <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Even though it was Wednesday, I will call it a TACO day (follow the >>> stock market). >>> >>> There are zero details of what the "deal" is or isn't, and I'm betting >>> it's essentially what existed before. >>> >>> Prove me wrong. >>> >>> >>> >>> bp >>> >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>> On 1/22/2026 7:43 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: >>> >>> Looks like Trump got the deal he wanted. Everyone is happy :). >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 7:11 AM MVTVWISPA <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> David- >>> >>> >>> >>> I too read that exact information from Facebook posts word for word. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *David Hannum via AF >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2026 3:33 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>> *Cc:* David Hannum <[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT - Greenland >>> >>> >>> >>> So many think Trump is a bully on Greenland . . . If you think he's so >>> terrible, you absolutely don’t know history. >>> >>> >>> >>> 1) 1867 – Andrew Johnson: explored buying Greenland & Iceland (right >>> after Alaska). >>> >>> 2) WWII – FDR: U.S. took over Greenland’s defense while Denmark was >>> occupied. >>> 3) 1946 – Truman: offered $100M in gold to buy it. >>> 4) Cold War – Eisenhower → Kennedy: nonstop negotiations for bases, >>> radar, missiles. >>> 5) Post–Cold War – Clinton/Bush/Obama: expanded Arctic security & >>> missile defense. >>> 6) 2019 – Trump: said publicly what presidents discussed privately for >>> 150+ years. >>> >>> The U.S. didn’t “suddenly” want Greenland. >>> It’s been defending it, negotiating it, and embedding there since the >>> 1800s. >>> Greenland = Arctic power, shipping lanes, missiles, minerals. >>> Trump didn’t invent it. His crime is he said the quiet part out loud. >>> >>> ======================= >>> >>> NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte said on Jan. 21 at the World Economic >>> Forum in Davos, Switzerland, that Trump is spot on about the importance of >>> Greenland to security. He said, "When it comes to the Arctic, I think >>> President Trump is right. Other leaders in NATO are right. We need to >>> defend the Arctic. There are eight countries bordering on the Arctic. >>> Seven are members of NATO. That’s Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, >>> Iceland, Canada, and the U.S.,” Rutte said. >>> "And there’s only one country bordering on the Arctic outside NATO, and >>> that’s Russia. And I would argue there is a ninth country, which is China, >>> which is increasingly active in the Arctic region. 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