They were spraying him with pepper spray before they even took him to the ground. This is not a FAFO situation. They do not have a right to shoot anyone because they have a holstered weapon on them. These guys are amateurs and should never have been given a weapon and any authority.
On Sun, Jan 25, 2026, 7:13 PM Chuck <[email protected]> wrote: > He violently resisted arrest. You always are in the wrong and you always > lose. Add gun, dead. Simple. I see the cops taking a magazine, not a > gun. FAFO. Dont in LEA. > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 25, 2026, at 5:58 PM, Jason McKemie < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > There is zero evidence that Pretti was picking a fight. He had a handgun > on him, it was holstered until the ICE officer removed it himself. Where > are the 2nd amendment people on this? Now carrying a weapon (legally, mind > you) around law enforcement is justification for deadly force? I've watched > a couple of the recordings and the administration is outright lying about > this. Full stop. > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2026, 5:49 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Trump Bad, Trump Good, ICE Bad, ICE Good, Renee Bystander, Renee Domestic >> Terrorist, Alex Bystander, Alex Domestic Terrorist. It is pointless to >> discuss these topics. People are too far entrenched in their opinions. >> Nothing one side can say will ever change the mind of the other side. The >> two sides will watch the exact same videos and come up with polar opposite >> opinions of what happened. Even if something is proven as complete fact by >> one side, it will be dismissed as false news or a cover up by the other >> side. >> >> >> >> My question is why Minnesota, specifically Minneapolis and St. Paul. Why >> has it become so violent and filled with hate just there. We do not see >> this level of hate anywhere else in the country. ICE seems to be making >> arrests without incident all around the rest of the country. >> >> >> >> What makes an intelligent man (ICU Nurse) decide he is going to grab his >> gun and go fight ICE agents. What happen to this man's thought process? >> Does anyone here have that level of hate where they will decide to grab >> their gun and venture out in sub-zero weather looking to pick a fight with >> armed ICE agents? >> >> >> >> When did it become acceptable to storm a church during a service? >> Protest outside if you want, but storming in during a service. Where did >> this hate come from. Trump or Waltz, depends what side you are on. I >> pretty sure the people storming the church had more hate than the people >> inside the church in this case. >> >> >> >> The ICE agents are there to do a job, like it or not. I don't understand >> when it became acceptable to interfere in an arrest that you know nothing >> about. You may agree or disagree with Trump's policies, but that does not >> mean you can interfere with law enforcement doing their job. Like it or >> not, believe it or not, they are arresting some bad people. They also are >> making some questionable arrests. But being an "observer" that knows >> nothing about what the arrest is about and interfering in not the answer. >> >> >> >> This is only going to get worst. The ICE agents are very skittish with >> good reason. One could argue that in most situations they may be in fear >> of their lives. It is just a matter of time before an ICE agent is >> killed. There will be more "observer" deaths. Some will celebrate while >> others rage. End of the day it is very sad whenever someone dies for no >> good reason. >> >> >> >> Some will say Trump just has to back down, others will say Waltz needs to >> get control of his State. I fear neither of these men will do this and >> more deaths will result. >> >> >> >> Blame whoever you want, continue the name calling, continue the fear >> mongering, fuel the hate, It is truly a sad time in our history. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Best regards, >> >> Mark mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> >> >> <https://www.Myakka.com> >> >> >> ------ >> >> >> Sunday, January 25, 2026, 3:01:58 PM, you wrote: >> >> >> So what I am hearing from you, Chuck, between the lines, is that you abet >> the murder of Alex Pretti? That the actions of ICE in MN is ok because of >> the premise of removing "illegal" immigrants? >> >> Come on I thought you understood that the legitimacy of a small good >> isn't justification of evil. The lies that were put forth right off the >> bat in the murder of Alex are not, in any circumstance, justifiable. Not >> to someone who truly believes the Mormon religion. >> >> I am not Mormon, but a large part of my family is. And they are some >> of the best people I am related to. >> >> I stay in this shit filled room because I believe that just leaving >> doesn't do anything to clean up the crap. >> >> Your saying that part of what DJT does justifies the rest of what he does >> sounds like those who looked the other way in Germany in 1936. OH look he >> has saved the economy and built the autobahn. Look deeper into the >> government and economy that Hitler built and you find it was all debt >> financing and without the war is was just about to destroy itself. And >> guess what is going on in the US right now. EXACTLY THE SAME. >> >> I consider myself centrist. But there is now and never a way to justify >> the way that ICE is violating the constitution and the blessing of that by >> the current administration. This has nothing to do with previous >> administrations except for the contribution that they had in creating >> justifications for people to create what we have Now.. Now we have to be >> clear that what is going on is NOT ok. And being indifferent to it is >> abetting it. Going and saying that people who are being aghast at what is >> going on have TDS is saying you are on the side of the federal government >> taking people filming or helping someone up off the street and killing them >> is a country that is good with you. Basically you are agreeing with the >> tenants of a National Socialist Workers Party. And that anyone who isn't >> is subject to Jail and death. You can kick me out of this group if you >> want but taunting me to leave or shut up isn't going to work. That's what >> bullies do. >> >> I am directing this to you, Chuck, because you are/were the heart of this >> list. The members here are hear because of what you gathered around you, >> very much including me. To find out you bless someone of what DJT does >> makes it alright for what else he does sounds like the teasings of the >> devil have embraced you. And that makes me sad. >> >> On 1/25/26 8:51 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >> I used to believe that the big L Democrats, AKA "party of the elites" >> were full of educated, well read, literate, urbane, compassionate basket >> weavers – But when one does ad hominim postings like this, devoid of >> example and cogent argument – kinda proves the point that big L TDS folk >> are more hateful and ignorant than the illiterate, unwashed, toothless, >> rednecked, guns and god, deplorables. >> >> >> >> QED >> >> >> >> But yet you remain in the shit filled room… odd. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >> Behalf Of *Dietrich Rushing via AF >> *Sent:* Sunday, January 25, 2026 8:05 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Cc:* Dietrich Rushing <[email protected]> >> <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland >> >> >> >> When your in a shit fill room, aren't the smartest people the ones who >> leave first? >> >> Hard to think anyone with a brain would ever support Trump or MAGA. >> >> All the calls for "no talk of politics" is delusional when its this >> impactful to everyones lives, typically spewed by "the right" cowards and >> other deplorables who can't defend their positions. >> >> On 1/24/26 11:32 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >> If I did move the list to my own servers it would probably update >> faster…. But I am lazy….. >> >> Interesting, seems only liberals get pissed and leave. I wonder what a >> sociologist would have to say about that… >> >> >> >> *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >> *Sent:* Saturday, January 24, 2026 10:19 AM >> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> >> <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland >> >> >> >> Yeah…. I love a good pot stir. >> >> >> >> I think you would fail the Turing test for the wrong reasons though… >> >> >> >> *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >> Behalf Of *Bill Prince >> *Sent:* Saturday, January 24, 2026 10:05 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland >> >> >> >> Especially with AIs like me stirring the pot. >> >> >> >> bp >> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> On 1/24/2026 8:47 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >> You got three choices” >> >> >> >> Take your own advice and “don’t post this political shit. “ >> >> Because it is all opinion. Full of falsehoods, rhetoric, hyperbole and >> minor particles of truth totally surrounded by horseshit. Yours more than >> most in my opinion. >> >> >> >> Or just sit back and enjoy the game. >> >> >> >> Or you can leave. Like you say, it is a terrible platform… Why would >> you want to even hang around here… >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On >> Behalf Of *Ryan Ray >> *Sent:* Friday, January 23, 2026 7:41 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >> <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland >> >> >> >> I just went back and looked, and my first post here was in 2012. So maybe >> not 20 years here, but 13. >> >> >> >> I can remember some pretty garbage times on this list every time politics >> get raised, even to the point of certain people leaving, because this is a >> terrible platform to trump(et) your views. Been on the internet for over 30 >> years and not once have I seen sane political discourse on message boards >> or social media. It's even worse with astroturfing in every direction, >> literal bots riling up people in whatever direction Russia or India or >> China wants. You've seen it, you've seen the bot problems on all social >> media, and yet David talks about the USA standing up to Russia like they're >> doing fucking anything about it. Other countries try to get rid of the >> garbage social media companies from the USA and trumpster unilaterally >> threatens tariffs and cries like a little baby. >> >> >> >> The fact that the USA has gone so far down the path that you literally >> have a man who apparently can do whatever they want with no consequences is >> the broke brain part of my statements. A literal rapist, thief. Cool. Nice >> job. You guys did it. Build the wall and ya'll can sort each-other out. >> >> >> >> Pick and choose your platforms, figure out what is real and what isn't. >> Go talk to people in the physical world. You'll get to understand your >> fellow man a lot quicker and if your aim is to make change. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 5:51 PM Chuck <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> OT in the subject line frequently means political shit. Many have been >> hanging here 20 years. We can bitch without having social media algorithms >> listening. There is an animal farm FB group but it is unused. I think.. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 23, 2026, at 5:56 PM, Ryan Ray <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> David, you are honestly clueless, there is nothing that can be said to >> you to get you to see the light. This is extremely typical with your ilk. >> You can see it in your responses of things like "libs" or "the left" >> >> >> >> Have a good day, stop posting political shit here. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 4:49 PM David Hannum via AF <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> See the response when you give a response that has thought behind it! >> Libs just resort to personal insults. It's all they have. No rebuttals, >> just personal attacks. Sad . . . >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 23, 2026, 7:44 PM Ryan Ray <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> <image.png> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 12:25 PM David Hannum via AF <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> I disagree. I don't think our allies distrust us. They don't LIKE lots >> of what Trump does, I think they see strength. I think they see "America >> First" and they respect that because they understand that as the USA goes, >> they go. They need a stron, unapologetic US who will stick their finger in >> the face of Russia and China. They need us to be like that because they >> can't/won't be like that for themselves. The European nations are all >> followers - not leaders. Biden & Obama did not lead. Obama was >> apologetic of the success of the US. My biggest fear is what comes AFTER >> Trump? Every country in the world can't be equal. Nothing gets done. And >> China and Russia aren't going to play that game. >> >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 3:13 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> It's still totally unnecessary, and does nothing but create confusion and >> distrust. If you want our allies to distrust us, then do shit like this. >> >> May actually be too late. They already distrust us, and China and Russia >> are loving it. Just look at what Carney said. >> >> Stick an arrow pointing out of his ass, and that's probably where we >> should be going. >> >> >> >> bp >> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> On 1/22/2026 9:07 AM, David Hannum via AF wrote: >> >> Even if it is what existed before, the world is on notice that we are >> planning to deploy defense systems there. So yea, it's still a win and >> Trump can take a victory lap (like he needs a reason . . . ) >> >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 11:47 AM Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Even though it was Wednesday, I will call it a TACO day (follow the stock >> market). >> >> There are zero details of what the "deal" is or isn't, and I'm betting >> it's essentially what existed before. >> >> Prove me wrong. >> >> >> >> bp >> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> On 1/22/2026 7:43 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: >> >> Looks like Trump got the deal he wanted. Everyone is happy :). >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 7:11 AM MVTVWISPA <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> David- >> >> >> >> I too read that exact information from Facebook posts word for word. >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *David Hannum via AF >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2026 3:33 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >> *Cc:* David Hannum <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT - Greenland >> >> >> >> So many think Trump is a bully on Greenland . . . If you think he's so >> terrible, you absolutely don’t know history. >> >> >> >> 1) 1867 – Andrew Johnson: explored buying Greenland & Iceland (right >> after Alaska). >> >> 2) WWII – FDR: U.S. took over Greenland’s defense while Denmark was >> occupied. >> 3) 1946 – Truman: offered $100M in gold to buy it. >> 4) Cold War – Eisenhower → Kennedy: nonstop negotiations for bases, >> radar, missiles. >> 5) Post–Cold War – Clinton/Bush/Obama: expanded Arctic security & >> missile defense. >> 6) 2019 – Trump: said publicly what presidents discussed privately for >> 150+ years. >> >> The U.S. didn’t “suddenly” want Greenland. >> It’s been defending it, negotiating it, and embedding there since the >> 1800s. >> Greenland = Arctic power, shipping lanes, missiles, minerals. >> Trump didn’t invent it. His crime is he said the quiet part out loud. >> >> ======================= >> >> NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte said on Jan. 21 at the World Economic >> Forum in Davos, Switzerland, that Trump is spot on about the importance of >> Greenland to security. He said, "When it comes to the Arctic, I think >> President Trump is right. Other leaders in NATO are right. We need to >> defend the Arctic. There are eight countries bordering on the Arctic. >> Seven are members of NATO. That’s Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, >> Iceland, Canada, and the U.S.,” Rutte said. >> "And there’s only one country bordering on the Arctic outside NATO, and >> that’s Russia. And I would argue there is a ninth country, which is China, >> which is increasingly active in the Arctic region. 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