So what I am hearing from you, Chuck, between the lines, is that you abet the murder of Alex Pretti?  That the actions of ICE in MN is ok because of the premise of removing "illegal" immigrants?

Come on I thought you understood that the legitimacy of a small good isn't justification of evil.   The lies that were put forth right off the bat in the murder of Alex are not, in any circumstance, justifiable.  Not to someone who truly believes the Mormon religion.

 I am not Mormon, but a large part of my family is.   And they are some of the best people I am related to.

I stay in this shit filled room because I believe that just leaving doesn't do anything to clean up the crap.

Your saying that part of what DJT does justifies the rest of what he does sounds like those who looked the other way in Germany in 1936.   OH look he has saved the economy and built the autobahn. Look deeper into the government and economy that Hitler built and you find it was all debt financing and without the war is was just about to destroy itself.   And guess what is going on in the US right now.  EXACTLY THE SAME.

I consider myself centrist.  But there is now and never a way to justify the way that ICE is violating the constitution and the blessing of that by the current administration.   This has nothing to do with previous administrations except for the contribution that they had in creating justifications for people to create what we have Now..    Now we have to be clear that what is going on is NOT ok.   And being indifferent to it is abetting it.   Going and saying that people who are being aghast at what is going on have TDS is saying you are on the side of the federal government taking people filming or helping someone up off the street and killing them is a country that is good with you.   Basically you are agreeing with the tenants of a National Socialist Workers Party.   And that anyone who isn't is subject to Jail and death.    You can kick me out of this group if you want but taunting me to leave or shut up isn't going to work.   That's what bullies do.

I am directing this to you, Chuck, because you are/were the heart of this list.   The members here are hear because of what you gathered around you, very much including me.   To find out you bless someone of what DJT does makes it alright for what else he does sounds like the teasings of the devil have embraced you.    And that makes me sad.

On 1/25/26 8:51 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I used to believe that the big L Democrats, AKA "party of the elites" were full of educated, well read, literate, urbane, compassionate basket weavers – But when one does ad hominim postings like this, devoid of example and cogent argument – kinda proves the point that  big L TDS folk are more hateful and ignorant than the illiterate, unwashed, toothless, rednecked, guns and god, deplorables.

QED

But yet you remain in the shit filled room… odd.

*From:*AF [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Dietrich Rushing via AF
*Sent:* Sunday, January 25, 2026 8:05 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Cc:* Dietrich Rushing <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland

When your in a shit fill room, aren't the smartest people the ones who leave first?

Hard to think anyone with a brain would ever support Trump  or MAGA.

All the calls for "no talk of politics" is delusional when its this impactful to everyones lives, typically spewed by "the right" cowards and other deplorables who can't defend their positions.

On 1/24/26 11:32 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

    If I did move the list to my own servers it would probably update
    faster…. But I am lazy…..

    Interesting, seems only liberals get pissed and leave.  I wonder
    what a sociologist would have to say about that…

    *From:*AF [mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
    *Sent:* Saturday, January 24, 2026 10:19 AM
    *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]>
    <mailto:[email protected]>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland

    Yeah…. I love a good pot stir.

    I think you would fail the Turing test for the wrong reasons though…

    *From:*AF [mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
    *Sent:* Saturday, January 24, 2026 10:05 AM
    *To:* [email protected]
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland

    Especially with AIs like me stirring the pot.

    bp

    <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

    On 1/24/2026 8:47 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

        You got three choices”

        Take your own advice and “don’t post this political shit. “

        Because it is all opinion.  Full of falsehoods, rhetoric,
        hyperbole and minor particles of truth totally surrounded by
        horseshit.  Yours more than most in my opinion.

        Or just sit back and enjoy the game.

        Or you can leave.  Like you say, it is a terrible platform…  
        Why would you want to even hang around here…

        *From:*AF [mailto:[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
        *Sent:* Friday, January 23, 2026 7:41 PM
        *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland

        I just went back and looked, and my first post here was in
        2012. So maybe not 20 years here, but 13.

        I can remember some pretty garbage times on this list every
        time politics get raised, even to the point of certain people
        leaving, because this is a terrible platform to trump(et) your
        views. Been on the internet for over 30 years and not once
        have I seen sane political discourse on message boards or
        social media. It's even worse with astroturfing in every
        direction, literal bots riling up people in whatever direction
        Russia or India or China wants. You've seen it, you've seen
        the bot problems on all social media, and yet David talks
        about the USA standing up to Russia like they're doing fucking
        anything about it. Other countries try to get rid of the
        garbage social media companies from the USA and trumpster
        unilaterally threatens tariffs and cries like a little baby.

        The fact that the USA has gone so far down the path that you
        literally have a man who apparently can do whatever they want
        with no consequences is the broke brain part of my statements.
        A literal rapist, thief. Cool. Nice job. You guys did it.
        Build the wall and ya'll can sort each-other out.

        Pick and choose your platforms, figure out what is real and
        what isn't. Go talk to people in the physical world. You'll
        get to understand your fellow man a lot quicker and if your
        aim is to make change.

        On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 5:51 PM Chuck <[email protected]> wrote:

            OT in the subject line frequently means political shit. 
            Many have been hanging here 20 years.  We can bitch
            without having social media algorithms listening.  There
            is an animal farm FB group but it is unused.  I think..

            Sent from my iPhone




                On Jan 23, 2026, at 5:56 PM, Ryan Ray
                <[email protected]> wrote:

                

                David, you are honestly clueless, there is nothing
                that can be said to you to get you to see the light.
                This is extremely typical with your ilk. You can see
                it in your responses of things like "libs" or "the left"

                Have a good day, stop posting political shit here.

                On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 4:49 PM David Hannum via AF
                <[email protected]> wrote:

                    See the response when you give a response that has
                    thought behind it!  Libs just resort to personal
                    insults.  It's all they have.  No rebuttals,  just
                    personal attacks.  Sad . . .

                    On Fri, Jan 23, 2026, 7:44 PM Ryan Ray
                    <[email protected]> wrote:

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                        On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 12:25 PM David Hannum
                        via AF <[email protected]> wrote:

                            I disagree. I don't think our allies
                            distrust us.  They don't LIKE lots of what
                            Trump does, I think they see strength.  I
                            think they see "America First" and they
                            respect that because they understand that
                            as the USA goes, they go.  They need a
                            stron, unapologetic US who will stick
                            their finger in the face of Russia and
                            China.  They need us to be like that
                            because they can't/won't be like that for
                            themselves.  The European nations are all
                            followers - not leaders.  Biden & Obama
                            did not lead.  Obama was apologetic of the
                            success of the US.  My biggest fear is
                            what comes AFTER Trump?  Every country in
                            the world can't be equal.  Nothing gets
                            done.  And China and Russia aren't
                            going to play that game.

                            Dave

                            On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 3:13 PM Bill
                            Prince <[email protected]> wrote:

                                It's still totally unnecessary, and
                                does nothing but create confusion and
                                distrust. If you want our allies to
                                distrust us, then do shit like this.

                                May actually be too late. They already
                                distrust us, and China and Russia are
                                loving it. Just look at what Carney said.

                                Stick an arrow pointing out of his
                                ass, and that's probably where we
                                should be going.

                                bp

                                <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

                                On 1/22/2026 9:07 AM, David Hannum via
                                AF wrote:

                                    Even if it is what existed before,
                                    the world is on notice that we are
                                    planning to deploy defense systems
                                    there. So yea, it's still a win
                                    and Trump can take a victory lap
                                    (like he needs a reason . . . )

                                    Dave

                                    On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 11:47 AM
                                    Bill Prince <[email protected]>
                                    wrote:

                                        Even though it was Wednesday,
                                        I will call it a TACO day
                                        (follow the stock market).

                                        There are zero details of what
                                        the "deal" is or isn't, and
                                        I'm betting it's essentially
                                        what existed before.

                                        Prove me wrong.

                                        bp

                                        <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

                                        On 1/22/2026 7:43 AM, Rory
                                        Conaway wrote:

                                            Looks like Trump got the
                                            deal he wanted.  Everyone
                                            is happy :).

                                            Rory

                                            On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at
                                            7:11 AM MVTVWISPA
                                            <[email protected]>
                                            wrote:

                                                David-

                                                I too read that exact
                                                information from
                                                Facebook posts word
                                                for word.

                                                *From:*AF
                                                <[email protected]>
                                                *On Behalf Of *David
                                                Hannum via AF
                                                *Sent:* Wednesday,
                                                January 21, 2026 3:33 PM
                                                *To:* AnimalFarm
                                                Microwave Users Group
                                                <[email protected]>
                                                *Cc:* David Hannum
                                                <[email protected]>
                                                *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT
                                                - Greenland

                                                So many think Trump is
                                                a bully on Greenland .
                                                . . If you think he's
                                                so terrible, you
                                                absolutely don’t know
                                                history.

                                                1)  1867 – Andrew
                                                Johnson: explored
                                                buying Greenland &
                                                Iceland (right after
                                                Alaska).

                                                2) WWII – FDR: U.S.
                                                took over Greenland’s
                                                defense while Denmark
                                                was occupied.
                                                3)  1946 – Truman:
                                                offered $100M in gold
                                                to buy it.
                                                4)  Cold War –
                                                Eisenhower → Kennedy:
                                                nonstop negotiations
                                                for bases, radar,
                                                missiles.
                                                5)  Post–Cold War –
                                                Clinton/Bush/Obama:
                                                expanded Arctic
                                                security & missile
                                                defense.
                                                6)  2019 – Trump: said
                                                publicly what
                                                presidents discussed
                                                privately for 150+ years.

                                                The U.S. didn’t
                                                “suddenly” want Greenland.
                                                It’s been defending
                                                it, negotiating it,
                                                and embedding there
                                                since the 1800s.
                                                Greenland = Arctic
                                                power, shipping lanes,
                                                missiles, minerals.
                                                Trump didn’t invent
                                                it. His crime is
                                                he said the quiet part
                                                out loud.

                                                =======================

                                                NATO Secretary General
                                                Mark Rutte said on
                                                Jan. 21 at the World
                                                Economic Forum in
                                                Davos, Switzerland,
                                                that Trump is spot on
                                                about the importance
                                                of Greenland to
                                                security.  He said,
                                                "When it comes to the
                                                Arctic, I think
                                                President Trump is
                                                right. Other leaders
                                                in NATO are right. We
                                                need to defend the
                                                Arctic.  There are
                                                eight countries
                                                bordering on the
                                                Arctic. Seven are
                                                members of NATO.
                                                That’s Finland,
                                                Sweden, Norway,
                                                Denmark, Iceland,
                                                Canada, and the U.S.,”
                                                Rutte said.
                                                "And there’s only one
                                                country bordering on
                                                the Arctic outside
                                                NATO, and that’s
                                                Russia. And I would
                                                argue there is a ninth
                                                country, which is
                                                China, which is
                                                increasingly active in
                                                the Arctic region. So,
                                                President Trump and
                                                other leaders are
                                                right, we have to do
                                                more there; we have to
                                                protect the Arctic."

                                                Dave Hannum

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