Well I guess the big L ranters with TDS is who I was meaning. I would consider Bill small l liberal, Ken too.
Myself I am probably a small c. Big Cs would call me a RINO probably. I think of myself as libertarian/Christian. I think Trump deserves tons of criticism. I loathe the human being but I like some of the policies and campaign promises kept. Less than 3 years left to run. He is still in his reality TV world. But it is fun to troll big Ls until they go all foaming at the mouth. Is that bad…… 😉 Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Drive Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office <http://www.microtrench-blades.com/> www.microtrench-blades.com <http://www.mccowntech.com/> www.mccowntech.com www.terabitnetworks.com From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2026 12:22 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland I'm not a fan of liberal being used in a pejorative sense. I'm a centrist and consider myself a small-l liberal, Google AI sums it up nicely: "A "small-l liberal" (lowercase 'l') refers to a person who believes in core liberal principles like individual rights, free speech, and limited government intervention, without necessarily adhering to a specific party (like a "Big L" Liberal Party) or all modern progressive/leftist ideas, often focusing more on personal freedoms and market economics than expansive social programs. It's a broader, often classical or centrist, approach to liberalism emphasizing personal autonomy and responsible governance." The crazy lefties somehow stole this from us and the right ran with it. It does get a bit tiresome banging one's head against a wall with discussions about our dear leader though. I also find it interesting that people who call themselves conservative get very defensive when someone criticizes the current administration. This administration's economic policies are quite lefty - government taking shares in multiple companies, levying high taxes, etc. This administration also loves to play this angle wherein the US is a victim and being taken advantage of by our allies. We are the richest country in the world and have benefitted massively from the post-WWII world order. Now we're shitting on allies, to what end? Our national defense is a collective effort, and were made safer and more prosperous through our alliances. The administration now wants to increase defense spending to 1.5 trillion dollars (600 billion increase), presumably to help compensate for the alliances we are fraying or outright destroying. This is pure hubris and ignorance, and I'm disgusted by it. This is also serving to make our national debt far worse, something both of the political parties refuse to deal with, so they just keep kicking it down the road. Difficult decisions need to be made soon before circumstances make them for us. None of this is even touching on the obvious moral bankruptcy of our president, and many of the people working with him. I'll stop ranting for now, but we need to come back to the center as a country. On Sat, Jan 24, 2026, 11:33 AM Chuck McCown <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: If I did move the list to my own servers it would probably update faster…. But I am lazy….. Interesting, seems only liberals get pissed and leave. I wonder what a sociologist would have to say about that… From: AF [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2026 10:19 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland Yeah…. I love a good pot stir. I think you would fail the Turing test for the wrong reasons though… From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2026 10:05 AM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland Especially with AIs like me stirring the pot. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 1/24/2026 8:47 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: You got three choices” Take your own advice and “don’t post this political shit. “ Because it is all opinion. Full of falsehoods, rhetoric, hyperbole and minor particles of truth totally surrounded by horseshit. Yours more than most in my opinion. Or just sit back and enjoy the game. Or you can leave. Like you say, it is a terrible platform… Why would you want to even hang around here… From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ryan Ray Sent: Friday, January 23, 2026 7:41 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland I just went back and looked, and my first post here was in 2012. So maybe not 20 years here, but 13. I can remember some pretty garbage times on this list every time politics get raised, even to the point of certain people leaving, because this is a terrible platform to trump(et) your views. Been on the internet for over 30 years and not once have I seen sane political discourse on message boards or social media. It's even worse with astroturfing in every direction, literal bots riling up people in whatever direction Russia or India or China wants. You've seen it, you've seen the bot problems on all social media, and yet David talks about the USA standing up to Russia like they're doing fucking anything about it. Other countries try to get rid of the garbage social media companies from the USA and trumpster unilaterally threatens tariffs and cries like a little baby. The fact that the USA has gone so far down the path that you literally have a man who apparently can do whatever they want with no consequences is the broke brain part of my statements. A literal rapist, thief. Cool. Nice job. You guys did it. Build the wall and ya'll can sort each-other out. Pick and choose your platforms, figure out what is real and what isn't. Go talk to people in the physical world. You'll get to understand your fellow man a lot quicker and if your aim is to make change. On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 5:51 PM Chuck <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: OT in the subject line frequently means political shit. Many have been hanging here 20 years. We can bitch without having social media algorithms listening. There is an animal farm FB group but it is unused. I think.. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 23, 2026, at 5:56 PM, Ryan Ray <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: David, you are honestly clueless, there is nothing that can be said to you to get you to see the light. This is extremely typical with your ilk. You can see it in your responses of things like "libs" or "the left" Have a good day, stop posting political shit here. On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 4:49 PM David Hannum via AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: See the response when you give a response that has thought behind it! Libs just resort to personal insults. It's all they have. No rebuttals, just personal attacks. Sad . . . On Fri, Jan 23, 2026, 7:44 PM Ryan Ray <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: <image.png> On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 12:25 PM David Hannum via AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: I disagree. I don't think our allies distrust us. They don't LIKE lots of what Trump does, I think they see strength. I think they see "America First" and they respect that because they understand that as the USA goes, they go. They need a stron, unapologetic US who will stick their finger in the face of Russia and China. They need us to be like that because they can't/won't be like that for themselves. The European nations are all followers - not leaders. Biden & Obama did not lead. Obama was apologetic of the success of the US. My biggest fear is what comes AFTER Trump? Every country in the world can't be equal. Nothing gets done. And China and Russia aren't going to play that game. Dave On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 3:13 PM Bill Prince <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: It's still totally unnecessary, and does nothing but create confusion and distrust. If you want our allies to distrust us, then do shit like this. May actually be too late. They already distrust us, and China and Russia are loving it. Just look at what Carney said. Stick an arrow pointing out of his ass, and that's probably where we should be going. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 1/22/2026 9:07 AM, David Hannum via AF wrote: Even if it is what existed before, the world is on notice that we are planning to deploy defense systems there. So yea, it's still a win and Trump can take a victory lap (like he needs a reason . . . ) Dave On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 11:47 AM Bill Prince <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Even though it was Wednesday, I will call it a TACO day (follow the stock market). There are zero details of what the "deal" is or isn't, and I'm betting it's essentially what existed before. Prove me wrong. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 1/22/2026 7:43 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: Looks like Trump got the deal he wanted. Everyone is happy :). Rory On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 7:11 AM MVTVWISPA <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: David- I too read that exact information from Facebook posts word for word. From: AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of David Hannum via AF Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2026 3:33 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Cc: David Hannum <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland So many think Trump is a bully on Greenland . . . If you think he's so terrible, you absolutely don’t know history. 1) 1867 – Andrew Johnson: explored buying Greenland & Iceland (right after Alaska). 2) WWII – FDR: U.S. took over Greenland’s defense while Denmark was occupied. 3) 1946 – Truman: offered $100M in gold to buy it. 4) Cold War – Eisenhower → Kennedy: nonstop negotiations for bases, radar, missiles. 5) Post–Cold War – Clinton/Bush/Obama: expanded Arctic security & missile defense. 6) 2019 – Trump: said publicly what presidents discussed privately for 150+ years. The U.S. didn’t “suddenly” want Greenland. It’s been defending it, negotiating it, and embedding there since the 1800s. Greenland = Arctic power, shipping lanes, missiles, minerals. Trump didn’t invent it. His crime is he said the quiet part out loud. ======================= NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte said on Jan. 21 at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, that Trump is spot on about the importance of Greenland to security. He said, "When it comes to the Arctic, I think President Trump is right. Other leaders in NATO are right. We need to defend the Arctic. There are eight countries bordering on the Arctic. Seven are members of NATO. That’s Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland, Canada, and the U.S.,” Rutte said. "And there’s only one country bordering on the Arctic outside NATO, and that’s Russia. And I would argue there is a ninth country, which is China, which is increasingly active in the Arctic region. So, President Trump and other leaders are right, we have to do more there; we have to protect the Arctic." 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