Lowell Mather IS the only mechanic I think of Whenever I watch the Sky King video and listen to the transmissions I envision lowell at the stick pulling off that amazing barrel roll
On Tue, Sep 23, 2025 at 11:25 AM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > I have a customer whose son is a first officer for a regional airline. He > has been doing it long enough he gets first choice of schedules, etc. He > could advance to captain but doesn’t want to because then he would be at > the bottom of the seniority list again. > > > > Isn’t military pilot a path to commercial pilot also? Do commercial > pilots typically graduate from an aviation program at a college? I know > someone whose son went to Embry-Riddle but I think he intended to be > something other than a pilot. > > > > Remember the TV show “Wings”? That’s what I think of when you mention a > smaller airline. Probably half the people here weren’t born when Wings was > on TV. > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Robert > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2025 11:00 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Some more stats > > > > Liars, damn liars and statisticians.. I am willing to bet that none of > these are the true numbers. & I'll also bet that the United number was a > desired requirement, not a hard requirement, and they had 10 ways to hire > around it going through a hoop or two. Most of the major hiring is from > the smaller airlines. You don't get the big bucks until you survive on > the small bucks. I have two friends rising through the minor airlines > right now and they are semi-prime candidates but still going through all > the hoops. There is also a lot of washout on the minor airlines from > pilots that end up finding more money flying other paths when they need to > support their families. Air cargo and such. > > On 9/23/25 9:46 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > Seems airlines hire 5000 new pilots each year. (from one unknown source) > > There are 10,000 new ATP certificates granted each year but half of them > wash out or pause flying prior to earning the coveted 5000 hours that you > need to become a first officer. > > > > So, seems supply exactly equals demand (roughly). Other sources are > saying there is a shortage. > > > > Now, add an artifical restriction, of that 5000 fully qualified ATPs, your > HR department says half have to be black/women. > > > > Only 5% of that pool are women. So, there are 250 available. > > Only 4% of pool are black. So that will get you 200. > > 450 total per year but your HR department mandated 10X that amount. > > > > How will you fill that requirement? Only one way, reduce the number of > hours required. But even if you took it all the way down to the 1500 hours > it takes to the the ATP you will still only have 900 available to fill 5X > the requirement. And you will have 450 underqualified people sitting in > the right seat in front. > > > > I doubt the figure I found for needing 5000 new pilots industry wide. I > think it is low. I found another number saying that United Airlines (the > one that had that DEI policy for a while) uses about 2000 new ones each > year. > > Seems that United uses 40% of the pilots each year? In any event, that > would make the numbers still work out in a similar fashion. Mandate 1000 > where there are only 450 available assuming your company gets all 450. > > > > It’s math bitch, not racism. > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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