We have a prior playboy jet stewardess for a customer. Super nice lady, not at all what I expected, literally forced me to sit and have a sandwich when I was installing her over the lunch hour, was a good burger.
I suspect she was a DEI hire and I dont mind On Tue, Sep 23, 2025 at 12:53 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: > That's an appropriate name. She told me she did one flight and it was like > a cattle car. Turned her stomach. > > > bp > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 9/23/2025 10:44 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Kind of like the movie Con Air? > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> <[email protected]> *On Behalf > Of *Bill Prince > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2025 12:36 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Some more stats > > > > Oh yeah. Forgot about that. She did get hired by Global Crossing until she > found out what they were doing. I think that's when she switched to the > executive shuttle. > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 9/23/2025 10:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Could fly for Global Crossing Airlines. Visit scenic El Salvador. > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> <[email protected]> *On Behalf > Of *Bill Prince > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2025 12:24 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Some more stats > > > > One of our neighbors is a "flying family". > > He is a Polish immigrant who flew a milk run between the west coast and > China jockeying a 747 for United Airlines. His big complaint to me was that > because of the one-way flying time (14 hours?), it always impacted his > monthly limit on hours. Because of the limit on hours, he called his United > job his "night job". His "day job" was doing number crunching for NASA down > at Moffet Field (they have a bunch of wind tunnels there). They forced him > out when he turned 65, and he bounced around doing an executive shuttle > (which he didn't like very much; it sounded like he didn't like their > maintenance practices), and quit that altogether after a year or two. I > think he's still doing work for NASA, and I think the majority of it is > from his home office. > > His wife is a Korean immigrant. When they first moved up here, her main > gig was flight training for various airlines looking to up their > ATP-qualified pilots. Something made her quit that job, and she switched > to doing an east coast shuttle. She had to fly to the east coast a couple > of times per month to do the shuttle runs. She'd do the shuttle for a week > or so, then come back here for another week or so. Last I heard, she > abandoned that gig and is now doing an executive shuttle like the one her > husband didn't like. > > We've known them now for several years (15 or 20?). My take is that he's > very conservative, and not very risk tolerant. I think that's probably good > for a United Airline pilot; maybe not a good mesh with a regional executive > shuttle. > > Her, OTOH, seems like she enjoys the semi-cowboy nature of the smaller > operation, and did not like the big airline environment. > > I know they're both still connected to that world (and United Airlines in > particular). I should bring it up and get their perspective. > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 9/23/2025 9:24 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > I have a customer whose son is a first officer for a regional airline. He > has been doing it long enough he gets first choice of schedules, etc. He > could advance to captain but doesn’t want to because then he would be at > the bottom of the seniority list again. > > > > Isn’t military pilot a path to commercial pilot also? Do commercial > pilots typically graduate from an aviation program at a college? I know > someone whose son went to Embry-Riddle but I think he intended to be > something other than a pilot. > > > > Remember the TV show “Wings”? That’s what I think of when you mention a > smaller airline. Probably half the people here weren’t born when Wings was > on TV. > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> <[email protected]> *On Behalf > Of *Robert > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2025 11:00 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Some more stats > > > > Liars, damn liars and statisticians.. I am willing to bet that none of > these are the true numbers. & I'll also bet that the United number was a > desired requirement, not a hard requirement, and they had 10 ways to hire > around it going through a hoop or two. Most of the major hiring is from > the smaller airlines. You don't get the big bucks until you survive on > the small bucks. I have two friends rising through the minor airlines > right now and they are semi-prime candidates but still going through all > the hoops. There is also a lot of washout on the minor airlines from > pilots that end up finding more money flying other paths when they need to > support their families. Air cargo and such. > > On 9/23/25 9:46 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > Seems airlines hire 5000 new pilots each year. (from one unknown source) > > There are 10,000 new ATP certificates granted each year but half of them > wash out or pause flying prior to earning the coveted 5000 hours that you > need to become a first officer. > > > > So, seems supply exactly equals demand (roughly). Other sources are > saying there is a shortage. > > > > Now, add an artifical restriction, of that 5000 fully qualified ATPs, your > HR department says half have to be black/women. > > > > Only 5% of that pool are women. So, there are 250 available. > > Only 4% of pool are black. So that will get you 200. > > 450 total per year but your HR department mandated 10X that amount. > > > > How will you fill that requirement? Only one way, reduce the number of > hours required. But even if you took it all the way down to the 1500 hours > it takes to the the ATP you will still only have 900 available to fill 5X > the requirement. And you will have 450 underqualified people sitting in > the right seat in front. > > > > I doubt the figure I found for needing 5000 new pilots industry wide. I > think it is low. I found another number saying that United Airlines (the > one that had that DEI policy for a while) uses about 2000 new ones each > year. > > Seems that United uses 40% of the pilots each year? In any event, that > would make the numbers still work out in a similar fashion. Mandate 1000 > where there are only 450 available assuming your company gets all 450. > > > > It’s math bitch, not racism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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