On Sep 23, 2025, at 10:26 AM, Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote:
Is this a spinoff from one of the other threads that I stopped paying
attention to?
Where does this HR scenario come from? It sounds absurd.
If the absurd scenario is real, then there are two solutions:
1.
Tell the HR director that it's impossible. If they don't yield
on the policy, then go over their head. Someone, at some level,
will understand the math.
2.
Go out and find women and minorities and pay for them to get
pilot training so that you artificially increase the available
pool of woman and minority pilots. You're not lowering the
standard of training; you're just putting more people through
it. This is HR's idea, so paying for it has to come from their
budget. If HR doesn't want to pay for this then refer to
solution #1.
You said, "Only one way, reduce the number of hours required". I
don't see how that's actually a way to get the numbers. Does the
airline HR department have control over the ATP certification? I
would not have assumed that reducing the number of hours required was
within their power.
-Adam
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*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Some more stats
Seems airlines hire 5000 new pilots each year. (from one unknown source)
There are 10,000 new ATP certificates granted each year but half of
them wash out or pause flying prior to earning the coveted 5000 hours
that you need to become a first officer.
So, seems supply exactly equals demand (roughly). Other sources are
saying there is a shortage.
Now, add an artifical restriction, of that 5000 fully qualified ATPs,
your HR department says half have to be black/women.
Only 5% of that pool are women. So, there are 250 available.
Only 4% of pool are black. So that will get you 200.
450 total per year but your HR department mandated 10X that amount.
How will you fill that requirement? Only one way, reduce the number
of hours required. But even if you took it all the way down to the
1500 hours it takes to the the ATP you will still only have 900
available to fill 5X the requirement. And you will have 450
underqualified people sitting in the right seat in front.
I doubt the figure I found for needing 5000 new pilots industry wide.
I think it is low. I found another number saying that United
Airlines (the one that had that DEI policy for a while) uses about
2000 new ones each year.
Seems that United uses 40% of the pilots each year? In any event,
that would make the numbers still work out in a similar fashion.
Mandate 1000 where there are only 450 available assuming your company
gets all 450.
It’s math bitch, not racism.
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