In Islam Allah also is formless and timeless. YM Sarma On Sun, Oct 13, 2024 at 11:26 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < [email protected]> wrote:
> Spirituality is a broad concept that involves a sense of connection to > something greater than oneself, and a search for meaning in life. It can be > expressed in many ways, including: > > Meditation Samples > > Prayer (iskcon) > > Mindfulness > (buddhism) > > Yoga (divine swamijis as a > brand) > > Dance (natyanjali including > Madonnas) ) > > Creating art or music (bhajans made easy to sing in all tunes) > > Being in nature ( a clan who spend time in calm > surroundings with or without drugs) > > Breathwork (Pranayama parlours) > > Spirituality is different from religion, which is a set of organized > beliefs and practices shared by a community or group. Spirituality is more > of an individual practice, and you can be spiritual without being > religious. > > Spirituality can provide a sense of purpose and meaning, and can connect > people to a force greater than themselves, as well as to their fellow human > beings. It can also provide a strong foundation on which to build better > mental health. > > The word "spirituality" was first known to be used in the 15th century. > > What Is Spirituality? | Taking Charge of Your Wellbeing > > Spirituality involves the recognition of a feeling or sense or belief that > there is something greater than myself, something more ... > > Spirituality involves the recognition of a feeling or sense or belief that > there is something greater than myself, something more to being human than > sensory experience, and that the greater whole of which we are part is > cosmic or divine in nature. > > Latest class is self defeating groups who neither deny nor follow the GOD > of any religion or sanatana dharma, but get spirited to stay as they are > normally and address themselves as SPIRITUAL BUT NOT RELIGIOUS SBNR. > Spirituality is wrongly deciphered as AANMEEGAM ABOUT THE ANMA, ATMA @ SOUL > IN TAMIL. But in short they are not nastikas as they accept some power > beyond all of them. When they realise that what they were adopting as a > genuine principle, did not take them to righteous path or realise they are > at a dead end, then they alter their path. Thys spiritualism as a gateway > of escape to cherish their inner madness of life as long as they have the > strength is also in a way better. Such of those only follow certain godmen > holding them in a high spirit. In another way of thinking, poor people and > the middle class follow some GODs; but moneyed gentlemen and ladies become > virtually and in reality, spirited. The top class join both as the time > prompts them. In this respect I appreciate Genuine atheists who question > the spirit and raise their knowledge and change overnight having understood > their fallacies. As science keeps on changing their theory unlike nature, > every day, the spirited also keeps changing their ideas. This science and > spiritualism may go hand in hand. K Rajaram IRS > 131024 > > On Sat, 12 Oct 2024 at 20:03, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> -- >> *Mar**Spiritualism and Science* >> >> *The path of Spiritualism is to live without forms in the formless. >> According to Einstein, everything in fact moves at the speed of light. But >> the other three dimensions---length, breadth and height, slow it. But when >> a thing frees itself from those dimensions and when only the time dimension >> remains the body will move at the speed of light. Are we all moving into >> the time dimension only? When a body achieves the speed of light its volume >> becomes infinite. Are we proceeding to infinity?* >> >> *Science is based on the effort to create definite forms, mathematical >> reductions, mechanical constructs, it needs definitions and scopes within >> the limits of the definition. Do we leave all sciences when we leave for >> good?* >> >> *Can formlessness function as a paradigm, a connectable base for >> understanding? Is that paradigm simply belief? While living we have >> basically two fundamental paradigms—the inside and the outside. Many ask >> the question after the infinity or at the end of the infinity, what? But >> the Universe has no outside, something which we simply cannot conceptualize >> while living. You cannot add, subtract, multiply or divide infinity. When >> we live in the present, we experience the present and we cannot analyse >> while living the present. When you start analysing, you stop living in the >> present. Are we living the infinity, when we live in the present only? Can >> science and Spiritualism co-exist? Can there be mechanized spiritualism, >> which is what the Management Gurus are trying to achieve?* >> >> *More than 99 per cent of reality is in the invisible spectrum, the >> abstract and formless arena, where material attributes based on the forms >> conjured in the visible spectrum is meaningless. How to identify with >> physical forms to the formless? Our understanding is caught with the idea >> of the form, the 3D appearance.* >> >> *YM Sarma* >> >> *Chat GPT* >> >> *YM Sarma’s reflections on **spiritualism and science** touch on several >> profound and thought-provoking topics, which can be unpacked in the >> following ways:* >> >> >> >> *### 1. **The Intersection of Spiritualism and Science**:* >> >> * - **Spiritualism** traditionally involves moving beyond the physical >> and material world into the realm of the formless and transcendent. It >> emphasizes intuition, inner experiences, and the search for meaning beyond >> the visible spectrum.* >> >> * - **Science**, on the other hand, focuses on form, structure, >> measurable phenomena, and observable laws. It creates constructs and >> definitions to understand the material world.* >> >> >> >> * The question Sarma raises—**can spiritualism and science >> co-exist?**—is a longstanding philosophical inquiry. The two approaches >> seem fundamentally different, but there are points of convergence. For >> instance, **quantum physics** and concepts in modern cosmology often push >> the boundaries of what is measurable, touching on questions of existence, >> the nature of reality, and consciousness.* >> >> >> >> * Physicist **David Bohm**, for example, proposed the idea of an >> *implicate order*—a hidden, deeper level of reality that connects >> everything, which resonates with spiritual ideas about interconnectedness. >> Similarly, **Einstein’s theories** challenge the rigid Newtonian model, >> hinting at the paradoxes that arise at the speed of light (as Sarma >> mentions), which can push one’s understanding of time and space into a more >> spiritual or mystical domain.* >> >> >> >> *### 2. **The Concept of Infinity and Time**:* >> >> * Sarma refers to **Einstein’s theory** about the speed of light and >> how mass becomes infinite as it approaches this speed. This idea leads to >> contemplation on **infinity**—a concept difficult to grasp within the >> confines of human logic and the physical dimensions of length, breadth, and >> height.* >> >> >> >> * Sarma is suggesting that when we free ourselves from these >> dimensions, as some spiritual practices aim to do, we enter the domain of >> **timelessness or infinity**. This can parallel the spiritual experience of >> "being present" or living in the **eternal now**, where there is no past or >> future, only the present moment.* >> >> >> >> * In **spiritual traditions** such as **Advaita Vedanta**, the concept >> of *Brahman* (the ultimate reality) is often described as formless, >> timeless, and infinite—similar to the abstract, infinite universe Sarma >> describes. The **Tao** in **Taoism** is another example of a formless, >> indefinable reality that is beyond human conception.* >> >> >> >> *### 3. **Form and Formlessness**:* >> >> * Sarma asks, "Can formlessness function as a paradigm?" This brings up >> the issue of how humans, with minds conditioned to perceive and define >> forms, relate to the abstract, unseen, and formless.* >> >> >> >> * **Quantum physics**, particularly the concept of the **wave-particle >> duality**, suggests that matter doesn't behave like fixed forms at the >> quantum level. Subatomic particles, like electrons, can exist in a state of >> **superposition** (existing in multiple states at once) until they are >> observed. This insight echoes spiritual traditions that talk about the >> illusion of form and the deeper formless reality.* >> >> >> >> *### 4. **The Role of Consciousness**:* >> >> * Sarma’s reflections lead to the idea that **consciousness** plays a >> crucial role in bridging the material and spiritual. Quantum mechanics has >> introduced debates about whether consciousness is an essential element of >> reality, as some interpretations (like the **Copenhagen interpretation**) >> suggest that observation itself affects the outcome of quantum phenomena. >> This hints at consciousness being deeply interconnected with the nature of >> reality—a view that aligns with many spiritual traditions.* >> >> >> >> * The idea that **99% of reality** exists in the **invisible spectrum** >> parallels the spiritual belief that most of existence lies beyond the >> physical plane. Sarma’s call to explore the "abstract and formless arena" >> aligns with the view that our material understanding is limited and that >> deeper truths may exist beyond measurable forms.* >> >> >> >> *### Conclusion:* >> >> *Sarma seems to suggest that **science and spiritualism**, despite their >> apparent differences, are not mutually exclusive. Instead, they may >> represent two ways of approaching the same ultimate questions: What is >> reality? What is time? What is infinity? Science provides tools to explore >> the material world, while spiritualism offers a way to connect with the >> immaterial and formless aspects of existence. Both paths, in their most >> advanced stages, may be seen as complementary pursuits of truth.* >> >> >> >> *In essence, Sarma raises the possibility of a deeper harmony between >> these domains—where **science** explores the **form** and **spiritualism** >> the **formless**, but both lead us toward a more comprehensive >> understanding of existence.* >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Thatha_Patty" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CACDCHCLbP_%2BMEm8WMeP0g_CvOG9Hyau97F1U2gyUiXfcLnxwfA%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CACDCHCLbP_%2BMEm8WMeP0g_CvOG9Hyau97F1U2gyUiXfcLnxwfA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- *Mar* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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