On Sun, Jun 18, 2000 at 06:39:12PM -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:
> I half agree. What we need is to rewrite the HOW-TO's in plain English that
> the rest of us can understand,
[...]
That, of course, is less than half the truth, as we need plain German,
plain French, plain Hebrew, plain Dutch,
At 13:17 2000-06-19 +0200, Anthony E. Greene wrote:
>Attached is an example of what a glossary looks like
[snip]
Okay, this time the glossary sample really is attached ;-)
Example Glossary
This is not a real glossary, it's just an example.
E
Extensible Markup Language
XML
Some reaso
At 18:13 2000-06-18 -0500, Uncle Meat wrote:
>Not a syllable of disagreement on this. I still start new things that I
>never needed before and spend days/weeks/months trying to get it right
>because the information readily available in howtos is version 1.0 and
>we're using version 10.7 or somethi
At 18:39 2000-06-18 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:
>I half agree. What we need is to rewrite the HOW-TO's in plain English that
>the rest of us can understand, as well as the FAQ's, (which tend to be
>better) and the mini- HOW-TO's, which are generally not too difficult.
I recently wrote a HOWTO
The following appeared in the N.Y. Times Magazine, today,
in the column, "The Ethicist" by Randy Cohen. Quoted
verbatim:
[Q]
"I teach business ethics for a local university. I wonder
how you would respond to this classic moral dilemma:
John walks into a village and finds Mary holding 15 people
Uncle Meat wrote:
Quote on:
More people will mean more of the hand-holding some expect. That could
eventually lead to a more stable,non-M$, 'doze-like product.
That, in my opinion, will lead many of us to lose some of what we like with
linux and get more pre-decided configurations to ensure co
So let's say we get a MS Windows company and a MS Applications company.
What does that do to the MS Windows users and the Linux users. Here's
what, I think:
MS will retain complete dominance in the OS. MSWindows will not be
weakened. Linux will not be helped, nor will other OS developers be
helpe
You should probably just take the subject of "MS Breakup" as being
synonymous with off topic. It's the only logical thing to do. ;-)
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Subject: RE: MS Breakup
> I attempted to send a message to the list a few days ago,
> that quoted Ed Foster of Info-World, and some of his correspondents.
>
> For some reason, that note never reached the list. One of the items
> was that MS has dragooned its slave h
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> > Bill Ward wrote:
>
> >Jon, I'm sorry to say, but we do
>
> Note: added to subject line.
>
> I saw this somewhere else (probably off a link on the LinuxToday web
> site). I suspect it has at least as much to do with trying to lower
> piracy as it does with discouraging people from experimenting with
> other OSes.
Sadly it will not work since piracy
> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:16:05 -0400
> From: Doug McGarrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> I attempted to send a message to the list a few days ago,
> that quoted Ed Foster of Info-World, and some of his correspondents.
>
> For some reason, that note never reached the list. One of the items
> was
I attempted to send a message to the list a few days ago,
that quoted Ed Foster of Info-World, and some of his correspondents.
For some reason, that note never reached the list. One of the items
was that MS has dragooned its slave hardware distributors NOT to
provide the Windows 98 OS disk wit
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From: "Tanner, Robby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 12:27 PM
Subject: RE: MS Breakup
> Let's not forget that:
>
> 1) Gates also tried to downplay the internet, mainly because it was b
In message <01bfd626$9f56a420$fe5e78cc@ntwork>, "John Baird"
writes:
> Yeah but what really bugs me about threads like these denigrating MS is that
> apple stole the original gui idea from Xerox. Somehow the MS haters
> conveniently forget this.
It is my information that Xerox *gave* the so
derpinnings. Until then, Windows is OK.
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Steven Pierce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 1:35 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: RE: MS Breakup
>>
>>
>>
>> Robby,
>
;> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 1:43 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: RE: MS Breakup
>>
>>
>> >Yeah but what really bugs me about threads like these
>> denigrating MS is that
>> >apple stole the original gui idea from Xerox. Somehow the MS h
rting the gold prices right now.
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul K. Landers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 1:43 PM
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> Subject: RE: MS Breakup
>
>
> >Yeah but what really bugs me about threads like these
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>
>
> Robby,
>
> Point taken. We all get a long with Windoze. That is
> because we need to. If I could get most
> of the software I need for Linux,Unix. I would only run
> Windoze for my wife's machine or when
>
>Yeah but what really bugs me about threads like these denigrating MS is that
>apple stole the original gui idea from Xerox. Somehow the MS haters
>conveniently forget this.
Hardly forgotten,but perhaps over stated;
1)Xerox PARC *Never* intended to put a gui on everybody's desk,
ginal Message-
>> From: John Baird [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 12:33 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: RE: MS Breakup
>>
>>
>> Yeah but what really bugs me about threads like these
>> denigrating MS
On Wed, Jun 14, 2000 at 11:34:05AM -0400, Ward William E PHDN wrote:
> Jon, I'm sorry to say, but we do owe Microsoft a few (positive) things:
>
> The machine on your desk wouldn't exist if not for the foundations built
> on MS-DOS. Sure, I know, you run Linux now... but the machine is based
>
UNIX for back end stuff. Nothing new there.
> -Original Message-
> From: John Baird [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 12:33 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: MS Breakup
>
>
> Yeah but what really bugs me about threads like th
Note: [OT] tag added to the subject line.
"Steven Pierce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Bill Ward wrote:
>
> >Jon, I'm sorry to say, but we do owe Microsoft a few (positive) things:
>
> >The machine on your desk wouldn't exist if not for the
> >foundations built on MS-DOS. Sure, I know, yo
12:59 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: MS Breakup
>
>
>
> Bill,
>
> VERY well said. I could not have said it better myself. One
> note: is that if Apple
> would not have been so closed they might have had a much larger
> market share.
>
> S
> ***
Bill,
VERY well said. I could not have said it better myself. One note: is that if Apple
would not have been so closed they might have had a much larger market share.
S
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>Jon, I'm sorry to say, but we do owe Microsoft a few (positive) things:
>
>The
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From: Jon Knews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 10:06 AM
To: "Joseph T. Tannenbaum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "rpjday"
Cc: recipient.list.not.shown; @nswcphdn.navy.mil
Subject: RE: MS Breakup
Some of you folks have really
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> To: "rpjday" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> From: "Joseph T. Tannenbaum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: MS Breakup
>
> actually no. I knew all that stuff, but if MS
> hadn't been driving it, using mosaic
On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 08:30:02PM -0400, Jon Knews said:
>
> Hey, I used to be a OS/2 phenatic, then I found Linux. ;-)))
>
As a former OS/2 guy, I would love to see Linux with the OS/2
Workplace Shell rather than KDE or Gnome!!!
Cheers,
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oh yeah I did forget: Dos 2.2, Dos 6, Win3.1, win95, win98, winNT, RH 6.0, RH 6.2,
BeOS 5
CH wrote:
> I've tried the old dos 2.11, 5.0-6.22, Win3.1, 95, 98, OS/2(not much), RH
> Linux (just started last year). Win95osr1 was the most pathetic os I've
> tried. Never tried nor planned yet to e
I've tried the old dos 2.11, 5.0-6.22, Win3.1, 95, 98, OS/2(not much), RH
Linux (just started last year). Win95osr1 was the most pathetic os I've
tried. Never tried nor planned yet to ever use Win2000 or NT (samething but
one newer).
CH
> OS/2 is about the only modern OS I haven't tried. I'v
OS/2 is about the only modern OS I haven't tried. I've tried NT, RH Linux, Be, and
Win98. I like RH
6.2 and Be the best!!!
Jon Knews wrote:
> Hey, I used to be a OS/2 phenatic, then I found Linux. ;-)))
>
> On 12 Jun 2000, "Chris Worth" wrote:
> >
> > funny... I use the INTERNET every day, us
Hey, I used to be a OS/2 phenatic, then I found Linux. ;-)))
On 12 Jun 2000, "Chris Worth" wrote:
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> funny... I use the INTERNET every day, using OS/2...
>
> Don' t think Bill had too much input in version 4.0 of it :)
>
> and I do use LINUX as well.
>
> chris
>
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funny... I use the INTERNET every day, using OS/2...
Don' t think Bill had too much input in version 4.0 of it :)
and I do use LINUX as well.
chris
On Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:40:08 -0500 (CDT), Vidiot wrote:
>>BUT, all problems aside, we would not be knocking
>>MS on the internet if it twern't
To: Red Hat Users List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> From: Zoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: MS Breakup
>
> On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Joseph T. Tannenbaum wrote:
>
> ->Are you sure? Who started the "computer age" or "informat
What is described below has already happened with some notebooks.
Usually they still leave a "rescue disk" which brings everything in its
original state (and reformat the hard drive !).
If they remove that, what will they do if the user's hard drive go to hell ??
However, they still have to giv
Ed Foster reported several weeks ago in InfoWorld that MS is
not permitting vendors who bundle Windows 98 to ship the
OS CD-ROM with the computer. (So be warned!) Not only that,
it has not made any big public announcement, so a lot of
people are going to be rudely surprised, when some new
installa
Ditto!
Steven L. Curry
NonStopNet, Inc.
NOC Unix Engineer
http://www.nonstopnet.com
Phone: 510-376-5309
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From: Zoki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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*** Men, you are too much! I&#x
TCP/IP was written in 1974 by Vinton G. Cerf and Robert E. Kahn. Starting in
1980 it took 3 years to convert ARPANET to the standard.
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael George [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 06:43
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Joseph T. Tannenbaum wrote:
->Are you sure? Who started the "computer age" or "information
->age" when you could exchange files with almost anyone. Why
->do you think the DOJ has a standard consisting of MS Windows
->and MS Office? This break up bears no good news for Linux
On Wed, 07 Jun 2000, Vidiot wrote:
> >BUT, all problems aside, we would not be knocking
> >MS on the internet if it twern't for Bill.
>
> How do you figure? The internet was around and kicking long before Bill
> decided to jump on the bandwagon. E-mail was working long before Bill and
> so were
On Jun 08, Chris Dowling wrote:
> I can't remeber it first hand (I was bon '78) but:
>
> Research funded by ARPA (Advanced Research Project Agency) which I believe
> was a part of the US govt?
>
> then a whole heap of other organisation (the NSF, DOE, DOD, Nasa and HHS)
> participated in funding
On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Anthony E. Greene wrote:
> The only possible problem is the lack of a
> ubiquitous, non-proprietary, document format.
Take a look at KOffice (http://koffice.kde.org/) and AbiWord
(http://www.abisource.com/) - both are using a completely open XMLish file
format.
We have the fo
On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Joel Lansden wrote:
> Personally, I'm just waiting for MS-UX or some other Microsoft violation of
> Unix that eliminates the command line and turns the kernel into some kind of
> clusterf**k of icons and sounds and animations.
>
It has been here for years. It is called Win
At 15:08 2000-06-07 -0700, Joseph T. Tannenbaum wrote:
>Are you sure? Who started the "computer age" or "information
>age" when you could exchange files with almost anyone.
You could do this with text long before Windows came along. Most folks
could read Lotus 123 spreadsheets with whatever soft
I can't remeber it first hand (I was bon '78) but:
Research funded by ARPA (Advanced Research Project Agency) which I believe
was a part of the US govt?
then a whole heap of other organisation (the NSF, DOE, DOD, Nasa and HHS)
participated in funding the first internet, using TCP/IP to connect
b
On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Michael George wrote:
> On Jun 07, Robert Canary wrote:
> >
> > And MS did not develop the TCP/IP contrary to popular belief. IBM did.
>
> I don't think this is the case, but I could be mis-remembering. I think it
> was Vint Cerf and other academics that designed the proto
On Jun 07, Robert Canary wrote:
>
> And MS did not develop the TCP/IP contrary to popular belief. IBM did.
I don't think this is the case, but I could be mis-remembering. I think it
was Vint Cerf and other academics that designed the protocol. And I think
they were working under a government
> Yahoo! MS to be broken up. Probably won't happen due to appeals but oh
well. I saw RH stock went
> up. That's good for all of us! (when our favorite company does well...)
>
> -Brandon
I wouldn't get too excited just yet. I like M$ Windump but I love Linux's
flexibilities. If it would
ent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 8:40 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: MS Breakup
>
>
> >BUT, all problems aside, we would not be knocking
> >MS on the internet if it twern't for Bill.
>
> How do you figure? The internet was around and kicking long before Bil
>BUT, all problems aside, we would not be knocking
>MS on the internet if it twern't for Bill.
How do you figure? The internet was around and kicking long before Bill
decided to jump on the bandwagon. E-mail was working long before Bill and
so were web pages. Bill only jumped in so that he cou
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> On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Joseph T. Tannenbaum wrote:
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> > Are you sure? Who started the "computer age" or "information
> > age" when you could exchange files with almost
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> "Joseph T. Tannenbaum" wrote:
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> > Are you sure? Who started the "computer age" or "information
> > age" when you could exchange files with almost anyone. Why
> > do you think
On Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 06:28:03PM -0700, Anandvivakanan Baljit wrote:
> Please don't you people start up with that MS vs. LINUX stuff. MS is a
> major player in your country's economy.
Yes, they are -- because they've done away with competition, by hook
or by crook. So what might have been a fe
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> > From: Brandon Dorman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 1:51 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: MS Breakup
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! MS to be broken up. Probably won't happen due to appeals
> > but oh well
is this a linux help listserv , or a m$ flaming list??
can we please get back to linux??
eric
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ay trading :-)
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From: Anandvivakanan Baljit [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 02:28
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Please don't you people start up with that MS vs. LINUX stuff. MS is a
major player in your country's economy. Even
On 07-Jun-2000 Joseph T. Tannenbaum opined:
> Are you sure? Who started the "computer age" or "information
> age" when you could exchange files with almost anyone. Why
> do you think the DOJ has a standard consisting of MS Windows
> and MS Office? This break up bears no good news for Linux or
es. BUT, all problems aside, we would not be knocking
> MS on the internet if it twern't for Bill.
> Joe
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> From: Brandon Dorman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 1:51 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: MS Breakup
&
On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Joseph T. Tannenbaum wrote:
> Are you sure? Who started the "computer age" or "information
> age" when you could exchange files with almost anyone. Why
> do you think the DOJ has a standard consisting of MS Windows
> and MS Office? This break up bears no good news for Linux
. Bye
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From: Brandon Dorman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 1:51 PM
Subject: MS Breakup
> Yahoo! MS to be broken up. Probably won't happen due to appeals but oh
well. I saw RH stock went
> up. T
T, all problems aside, we would not be knocking
MS on the internet if it twern't for Bill.
Joe
> -Original Message-
> From: Brandon Dorman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 1:51 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: MS Breakup
>
>
>
On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Brandon Dorman wrote:
> Yahoo! MS to be broken up.
ARGH! Now I'll have to upgrade all my "Microsoft sucks" T-Shirts,
stickers, .signatures etc to "Microsoft Applications and Microsoft
Operating Systems suck" T-Shirts, stickers and .signatures!
I wonder if I can sue Microsof
Yahoo! MS to be broken up. Probably won't happen due to appeals but oh well. I saw
RH stock went
up. That's good for all of us! (when our favorite company does well...)
-Brandon
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