Re: [Pan-users] where does pan cache it's incompleted downloads>

2018-01-04 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/04/2018 12:56 PM, Pedro wrote: well, thanks for that encyclopedia reply worthy of a Wiki award... I am old enough to remember 36k modems and the glory of upgrading to 56k. Kids! My first modem was 1200 baud, and I had to use the phone to dial, unplug it and plug in the modem!

Re: [Pan-users] Linux Pan crashes on exit on x64 system.

2017-03-28 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/28/2017 07:27 AM, Petr Kovar wrote: First hit on Google: http://dnf-plugins-core.readthedocs.io/en/latest/debuginfo-install.html Installing the pan debuginfo now. ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman

Re: [Pan-users] Linux Pan crashes on exit on x64 system.

2017-03-27 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/27/2017 07:10 PM, Duncan wrote: I run (a lite) kde-plasma here, not gnome, and don't pull in anything gnome-ish I can get away without. And I run Xfce, but can't seem to get completely away from a few bits of gnome such as the key-ring. ___ P

Re: [Pan-users] Linux Pan crashes on exit on x64 system.

2017-03-27 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/27/2017 09:36 AM, Petr Kovar wrote: dnf debuginfo-install pan dnf list \*pan\* | grep debug returns nothing. ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users

Re: [Pan-users] Linux Pan crashes on exit on x64 system.

2017-03-27 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/27/2017 09:36 AM, Petr Kovar wrote: Joe, I've slightly updated the instructions on http://pan.rebelbase.com/bugs/#backtrace, would you be able to follow them? If you use the official Fedora pan package, you also need to install debuginfo if it's not already installed: dnf debuginfo-install

Re: [Pan-users] Linux Pan crashes on exit on x64 system.

2017-03-25 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/25/2017 03:52 PM, Duncan wrote: Is this x64 the newish unholy and problematic 64-bit/32-bit amalgam that's 64-bit kernel and IIRC some kernel calls but otherwise 32-bit userspace? No. I think that's called PAE, at least for Fedora. It's a proper X86-64 bit system. ___

Re: [Pan-users] Linux Pan crashes on exit on x64 system.

2017-03-24 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/24/2017 01:38 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: There is a record of it here: https://retrace.fedoraproject.org/faf/reports/522761/ Please note that this has been occurring since 12/30/2014, but it hasn't even been assigned yet. Correction: There's a bugzilla I reported two days ago

[Pan-users] Linux Pan crashes on exit on x64 system.

2017-03-24 Thread Joe Zeff
I've just had to reinstall my system and took advantage of the fact to upgrade from X86-PAE to X64. Now, it crashes on exit every time I run it and the posts in the last group I accessed aren't marked as read the next time I run it. (I've corrected that by editing my .newsrc-1 file.) There i

Re: [Pan-users] Article Retrieval Issue - Pan will not download headers from one group

2016-09-01 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/01/2016 05:19 PM, Dave wrote: I'm not sure if Windows now follows the Unix convention of "hiding" files which start with a . but if the directory is .pan2 then it may be a "hidden" file. The user may have to use the Windows Explorer settings to "Show all files" I haven't used Windows in

Re: [Pan-users] Desist from Muting -- How??

2016-08-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 08/21/2016 10:19 AM, Beartooth wrote: Is there no way to turn it off once and for all? Make sure it's turned off, then change it to something that's almost impossible to use by accident, such as Ctrl-Alt-Q. ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan

Re: [Pan-users] Emails

2015-05-23 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/23/2015 02:08 PM, David Shochat wrote: (replying off-list) Got to this page. I always find it amusing when somebody sends an off-list response to the list itself. ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailm

Re: [Pan-users] Port 119 blocked - no newsgroup access!

2015-05-23 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/23/2015 01:47 PM, walt wrote: I've never actually tried this method, (never needed to) but I think you could use a tool like ssh in "port forwarding" mode, depending on the news server, maybe. I was thinking that if you can read news on your home machine, and you have a reliable way to g

Re: [Pan-users] Messed up .newsrc

2014-10-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 10/09/2014 02:47 AM, Duncan wrote: To reset an individual group, therefore, all you need to do is delete this series of numbers for that group and save the file, of course with pan closed so it doesn't overwrite your work when you/do/ close it. OK, doing that for each group I'm subscribed t

Re: [Pan-users] Messed up .newsrc

2014-10-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 10/09/2014 02:47 AM, Duncan wrote: But the faster way to do it if you're simply changing servers (or if your server admin reset the numbers and started over for some reason), is to delete the entire newsrc file. I tried that (Being cautious, I just renamed it.) and Pan crashed. Twice. Alas

[Pan-users] Messed up .newsrc

2014-10-08 Thread Joe Zeff
Recently, my newsfeed was taken over by a bigger operation. They did a grand renumbering and ever since, Pan has marked everything in each group as being read as soon as I entered it. I remember this happening once before, and that it was fixed by editing my newsrc file. Alas, I don't rememb

Re: [Pan-users] UseNet Reader for Macs post-Mavericks?

2014-07-02 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/02/2014 09:05 AM, Henry Rowbottom wrote: I suspect you spend a lot of time enforcing the language rule. You suspect wrong. I don't think that we have to mention the html rule more than once a week here because most people read the list's rules and do their best to follow them. And,

Re: [Pan-users] binary for CentOS 6.4??

2014-02-06 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/06/2014 12:09 PM, Beartooth wrote: There seems not to be an rpm for CentOS in the canonical places, including EPEL. I'm hoping there might be one for Fedora, say, that someone uses and finds not conducive to dependency hell. Is there such of a beast? I've been using Fedora sinc

Re: [Pan-users] How to tell Pan to *stop* constantly asking to install fonts?

2013-07-23 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/23/2013 01:35 PM, Jim Henderson wrote: Interesting, tab showed up between "to" and "install" anyways. I read my mail in Thunderbird, not maximized. On my screen, the line breaks right where you say there's a tab, but the subject line of this reply doesn't have it. I'm not sure if it's

Re: [Pan-users] Latest pan 100% CPU usage

2013-04-23 Thread Joe Zeff
On 04/23/2013 12:57 PM, Beartooth wrote: It is indeed. Sorry I didn't catch it. Should be 17. Oh, good! For those of you who don't follow such things, only the two most recent versions of Fedora Linux are supported[1] and the most recent release is Fedora 18, meaning that Fedora 7 re

Re: [Pan-users] Latest pan 100% CPU usage

2013-04-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 04/21/2013 06:15 AM, Beartooth wrote: Fedora 7 Please tell me that's a typo! ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users

Re: [Pan-users] Trying to use 'new' Pan

2013-04-18 Thread Joe Zeff
On 04/18/2013 11:18 AM, Maurice Batey wrote: (Norman Neilson?) *Leslie* Neilson. You might remember him playing the captain in Forbidden Planet, which was also the first screen appearance of Robbie the Robot. ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@

Re: [Pan-users] Trying to use 'new' Pan

2013-04-18 Thread Joe Zeff
On 04/18/2013 11:07 AM, Ed Fletcher wrote: Damn, I just wasted an hour on Youtube videos. :( As I said before, "I guess I picked the wrong week to give up watching Youtube videos." ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org https://lists.nong

[Pan-users] [OT]Re: Trying to use 'new' Pan

2013-04-17 Thread Joe Zeff
On 04/17/2013 01:11 PM, Duncan wrote: (and of course even they would have been translated from the Hebrew Jesus and the thieves would have likely been using) Just a minor nitpick: It's much more likely that they were speaking Aramaic, as that was the common tongue in the area at that time. In

Re: [Pan-users] Trying to use 'new' Pan

2013-04-17 Thread Joe Zeff
On 04/17/2013 11:19 AM, Ed Fletcher wrote: This is a surprisingly long discussion for a bunch of internet-enabled geeks. :) All I've got to say is that it looks like I picked the wrong day to give up making obscure pop-cultural references. ___ Pa

Re: [Pan-users] Trying to use 'new' Pan

2013-04-17 Thread Joe Zeff
On 04/17/2013 04:47 AM, Maurice Batey wrote: Many thanks, Duncan, for your always informative attempts to clarify the situation, but I'm afraid even that URL still leaves me completely in the dark w.r.t. 'Shirley' - despite having lived in the USA 1986-1987! Part of the impact in the movie h

Re: [Pan-users] Trying to use 'new' Pan

2013-04-16 Thread Joe Zeff
On 04/16/2013 11:04 AM, Maurice Batey wrote: On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:41:13 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: And, I'd like to point out that the man's name is Duncan, not Shirley. Uh?! I take it, then, that you've never watched the

Re: [Pan-users] Trying to use 'new' Pan

2013-04-16 Thread Joe Zeff
On 04/16/2013 09:11 AM, Maurice Batey wrote: Surely Pan knows from which server it fetched the group, so if I reply to a posting it will know which server to post to? I think that the point is that Pan doesn't "remember" which server it used. And, I'd like to point out that the man's name is

Re: [Pan-users] line length

2013-03-06 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/06/2013 11:44 AM, Beartooth wrote: Is there some way I can tell Pan, once and for all, to wrap lines after some reasonable length? I can keep hitting w, but it would be nice not to have to ... I'm using Pan on Fedora 17, so it's the same version you're using. First, make sure tha

Re: [Pan-users] Problem after system upgrade

2013-03-02 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/02/2013 04:58 PM, walt wrote: Hi Joe, I posted a reply to your gnome.org bug report FWIW. Yes. I've seen both of them and replied. Again, thanx for getting back to me so quickly. ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org https://lists

[Pan-users] Problem after system upgrade

2013-03-02 Thread Joe Zeff
Recently I upgraded from Fedora 16 to 17. When I tried to use Pan, I had a few issues. I've filed a bug report (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=695022) but I'm also mentioning it here so that people who don't follow that site can be kept informed.

Re: [Pan-users] Any hope to get a fix for uutomake 1.13.x support ?

2013-02-12 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/12/2013 12:53 PM, fredbezies wrote: Sorry to "spam" the list, but I opened a bug related to automake 1.13.x. Seehttps://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=693371 Thanks for any infos related to this bug fixing ! I don't compile pan from source, so it doesn't affect me. However, I don'

Re: [Pan-users] Making Pan behave like OE/Windows Mail

2013-01-28 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/28/2013 05:09 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Sorting the data in the wrong order really quickly is not necessarily an improvement, and asking for a stable sort is not a luxury. Actually, for almost all of her needs the sort worked. There were only a few cases where there were several custom

Re: [Pan-users] Making Pan behave like OE/Windows Mail

2013-01-28 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/28/2013 04:02 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: If you're not asked for a stable sort, you can't exactly be criticised for not providing a stable sort. Much. To be fair, neither of us was aware of the "problem" until after the work was done. I knew how to write a shell sort and that it was loa

Re: [Pan-users] Making Pan behave like OE/Windows Mail

2013-01-27 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/27/2013 01:00 PM, David WE Roberts wrote: I still don't understand why the latest threads want to snuggle up next to the negative scores instead of the positive scores. Sorting on several fields can be quite tricky. I remember, once, many many years ago, changing a very slow bubble sort

Re: [Pan-users] What tells Pan where to save??

2012-11-26 Thread Joe Zeff
On 11/26/2012 02:22 PM, Duncan wrote: JZ has the right idea, but IIRC the wrong file. The paths for the newsrc files are found in servers.xml, not preferences.xml. I think that you're going to need to edit both, then. Preferences.xml tells Pan where to save things you've downloaded, so it yo

Re: [Pan-users] What tells Pan where to save??

2012-11-26 Thread Joe Zeff
On 11/26/2012 10:27 AM, Beartooth wrote: That "X" in there is the old userid -- I copied over .pan2 from User to Newuser, and ran chown against all of/home/ Newuser, or tried to. Where have I goofed, and how do I fix it? ~/.pan2/group-preferences.xml still says that things

Re: [Pan-users] pan for Windows crashes when reading large newsgroup

2012-10-24 Thread Joe Zeff
On 10/24/2012 07:24 AM, Steve Davies wrote: 1) It assumes a Microsoft development environment against MS .dll files 2) It assumes you are writing the code-base with MS in mind. To be fair, if the first assumption is correct, the second one will almost always be right too. ___

Re: [Pan-users] Annoying ' in posts

2012-09-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/22/2012 11:29 AM, Paul Crawford wrote: But yes to all who point out MS' deficiencies in following simple standards, it is almost like they want to prevent interoperability... It's not original, but, "Microsoft follows standards like caribou follow migrating salmon." ___

Re: [Pan-users] html

2012-09-10 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/10/2012 01:23 PM, Thufir wrote: did you guys decide to go forward with a rudimentary html parser, and, if so, what's the timeline, please? Judging by what I've read here in the past, coding will start on the Twelfth of Never. ___ Pan-users

Re: [Pan-users] Pan 0.133 refuses to work any longer

2012-08-25 Thread Joe Zeff
On 08/24/2012 11:34 PM, Duncan wrote: But, I've done a bit of research as I keep thinking I'll start with a paid service again at some point and I thought I'd pass this on in case you weren't aware of it... I've been very happy, TYVM, with usenetmonster.com for the last several years. $2.95/m

Re: [Pan-users] Something to pass along

2012-06-24 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/24/2012 05:17 PM, Duncan wrote: That's actually configurable, now (barring bugs)! =:^) Right now, I'm house sitting at Chaos Manor. My laptop has Pan 0.135 and I don't see anything like what you describe. In fact there's no Action tab. ___

Re: [Pan-users] Something to pass along

2012-06-24 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/24/2012 04:44 AM, Heinrich Müller wrote: If you want it implemented, file a bug with bugzilla so I won't forget it. Does that mean that if we want you to change the way Pan handles Ignore, to include marking the posts as read, we need to file a bugzilla? Works for me! ___

Re: [Pan-users] SSL not supported?

2012-06-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/20/2012 10:43 PM, Mike Brown wrote: In any event, a yum update of pan gets nothing. Doing a yum install of pan just stops with yum reporting that pan 0.133 is the latest. Well, of course; what else did you expect? Fedora 14 is well past its EOL, and there are no further updates of any

Re: [Pan-users] SSL not supported?

2012-06-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/20/2012 10:05 PM, Mike Brown wrote: Pan version 0.133 Yes, I know that it is an older version, but the newer versions do not appear to have a yum rpm update package available. Either that or I don't know which mirror to get it from. I'm using Fedora 16 and Pan 0.135. You should be able

Re: [Pan-users] An obscure feature request for Heinrich :)

2012-06-16 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/16/2012 08:46 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: - prevent the user from entering zero as the number of connections? As zero connections is intended as a way to disable a server without removing it, I'd rather that it asked you to confirm the entry. - allow zero connections, but complain wh

Re: [Pan-users] Compiling Error Pan 0.1.36

2012-04-17 Thread Joe Zeff
On 04/17/2012 05:44 AM, Chrome307 wrote: I was wondering if someone could give me some tips/advice about installing Pan I'm using Linux - kernel 2.6.332 You don't say what distro you're using, but there's probably a prebuilt package for it. Have you checked? __

Re: [Pan-users] configure fails on GMIME package check

2012-04-06 Thread Joe Zeff
On 04/06/2012 10:44 AM, Duncan wrote: You have the runtime half installed but are trying to build something depending on it, so need the dev half as well. As a Fedora user, I can tell you that Duncan is right on, except that you'll probably need to look for -devel, not just -dev. ___

Re: [Pan-users] ssl problems, not working on ports 443 or 563

2012-04-03 Thread Joe Zeff
On 04/03/2012 01:05 AM, Duncan wrote: 8) Dependency-wise, gentoo's ebuilds (the build-scripts for individual packages) specify all the usual dependency information, which is then automatically handled by the package manager. Out of all your post, this, and only this was needed (IMO) to answer m

Re: [Pan-users] ssl problems, not working on ports 443 or 563

2012-04-02 Thread Joe Zeff
On 04/02/2012 11:46 AM, Duncan wrote: On gentoo I build from sources, but I've not had dependency hell since my Mandrake days, as there's usually at least a masked version of the ebuild that I can unmask somewhere, that has all the deps listed. I know that apt-get, the Debian/Ubuntu package man

Re: [Pan-users] Reading an HTML posting when using 'old' Pan

2012-03-23 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/23/2012 04:47 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: I have written to companies many times, and not once have they photocopied my letter and stapled it to the back of their answer (the equivalent of top-posting). And I would certainly never expect to receive a copy of the *entire* file attached to the

Re: [Pan-users] Reading an HTML posting when using 'old' Pan

2012-03-23 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/23/2012 04:47 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Speak for yourself. My business doesn't file in reverse chronological order, nor have any of the companies I have worked for. You mean that when you file something you always put it at the back of the folder? You don't put the newest things in

Re: [Pan-users] Reading an HTML posting when using 'old' Pan

2012-03-23 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/23/2012 04:42 AM, Rui Maciel wrote: I don't find it reasonable at all. Neither do I, but then, neither of us works in that type of environment. Like it or not, millions of people do and are accustomed to seeing things that way and for them, top posting is normal. No, I don't use it w

Re: [Pan-users] Reading an HTML posting when using 'old' Pan

2012-03-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/22/2012 08:06 PM, thufir wrote: I'm sure it was just someone in a hurry, but it sure*seems* like a deliberate choice to re-define a standard. Actually, it's quite reasonable from the proper POV. In business, everything is filed in reverse chronological order and people become accusto

Re: [Pan-users] Reading an HTML posting when using 'old' Pan

2012-03-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/22/2012 02:00 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: So true. While Tbird puts my cursor at the bottom of the window, more and more I must manually move the cursor to the top because non-geeks have been trained by Outlook and webmail to type at the top. Two comments: first, you can configure Tbird for

Re: [Pan-users] Character code page used in Pan (old) postings

2012-02-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/11/2012 11:37 AM, Maurice Batey wrote: In addition to breaking my link, your choice of encoding ISO-8859-13 causes my Tb to choose a display font to handle the 8bit which is less appealing to me; I may have to adjust that configuration." This, at least, is not your re

Re: [Pan-users] Reading an HTML posting when using 'old' Pan

2012-02-09 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/09/2012 10:33 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: And yet you didn't return this faulty product for a refund and buy a better tablet. *Shrug!* Sending email from my tablet is a minor convenience for me, especially as I tend to use it in places where there's no WiFi when I'm away from home.

Re: [Pan-users] Reading an HTML posting when using 'old' Pan

2012-02-09 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/09/2012 09:32 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Between Outlook, Hotmail, Lotus Notes, and Gmail, good email practice is vanishing. And let's not forget Android. I have a Nook Tablet that does email. Not only is it hard coded to do top posting, you can't move the cursor down to the bottom whe

Re: [Pan-users] Reading an HTML posting when using 'old' Pan

2012-02-09 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/09/2012 08:06 AM, Rui Maciel wrote: Ok, then. Pick your mailing list. I'm on several mailing lists, including one for Scribus. The list software is set not to send html, but it does tell you that html has been scrubbed. (When some ID10T sends *both* text and html, we see the text, an

Re: [Pan-users] Command line use; download of nzb files does not stop

2011-11-05 Thread Joe Zeff
On 11/05/2011 09:23 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: It is common sense really: before pressing Send, consider how your email will appear to the recipient. Will it make sense? Can they understand what you are responding to? Do they have to scroll through 20 pages of quoted text to see your reply? An

Re: [Pan-users] Pan-users Digest, Vol 106, Issue 3

2011-11-05 Thread Joe Zeff
On 11/05/2011 07:27 AM, Graham Lawrence wrote: When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Pan-users digest..." And, it should also say, "When replying, don't quote the boilerplate at the top of the digest."

Re: [Pan-users] Poster information section

2011-10-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 10/22/2011 09:39 PM, John Sedore wrote: Hi all, I'm using Pan version .133, on Ubuntu 11.10. I've noticed that there is a section at the top of each received post, some ten or more lines, which offers information about where the post originated from, sort of software the composer used, and so

Re: [Pan-users] Someone hasn't upgraded in a while... (was Re: Ubuntu 11.10 version ...)

2011-10-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 10/22/2011 01:40 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: http://www.xfce.org/images/about/screenshots/4.8-1.png That's what I want. Either the config windows are using terms that I'm not familiar with, or xbuntu made some changes. Yes, and that's exactly how I have it on both my desktop and my laptop. Th

Re: [Pan-users] Someone hasn't upgraded in a while... (was Re: Ubuntu 11.10 version ...)

2011-10-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 10/22/2011 01:01 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: I tried that, but Xfce 4.8 mandates that the panel be at the top of the screen, and I just don't like that... It was possible in v4.6 but they removed it. A full-featured (i.e., the way GNOME 2 does it) panel with hierachial "Start" button (like Window

Re: [Pan-users] Someone hasn't upgraded in a while... (was Re: Ubuntu 11.10 version ...)

2011-10-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 10/22/2011 09:47 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: Eventually, though, as apps are rewritten to use GTK3, I'll be left behind. Do what I did: migrate to XFCE. ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users

Re: [Pan-users] Where'd the post go?

2011-09-05 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/05/2011 11:24 AM, Jim Henderson wrote: You can be both (or all three) - "NERD" = "Network Emergency Repair Dude". :) Not any more! I'm now officially recovered and no longer seeking un-recovery. However, I am keeping my LART in top-notch condition JIC. ___

Re: [Pan-users] Where'd the post go?

2011-09-05 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/05/2011 03:25 AM, Heinrich Müller wrote: You, Sir, are a certified nerd ;) No, I'm a BOFH, and a denizen of the Scary Devil Monastery. ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users

Re: [Pan-users] Where'd the post go?

2011-09-04 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/04/2011 01:22 AM, Duncan wrote: LOL! That reference seems like something I might read on Urban Dictionary (only by implication, it's not overt, FWIW, of course on UD it'd probably be overt). Thank you. Considering that I'm the person who created the unit and its definition (Note how ca

Re: [Pan-users] Where'd the post go?

2011-09-03 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/03/2011 03:26 PM, Duncan wrote: ... which among other references points to a different LL article: I first parsed that as Ll, not LL and wondered why it was referencing an article on the Lovelace: http://www.wlug.org.nz/LoveLace ___ Pan-users

Re: [Pan-users] Where'd the post go?

2011-09-03 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/03/2011 11:38 AM, Jim Henderson wrote: I thought about saying something, Duncan, but usually when I do, McKean's Law rears its ugly head. :) That's one I've not heard of, or at least not by that name. Is it the one about every spelling/grammar flame having at least one error of its own?

Re: [Pan-users] Problem with Pan and rsync

2011-08-28 Thread Joe Zeff
On 08/28/2011 02:54 AM, Duncan wrote: But was the shell you ran the rsync from that same user? Yes. I can't think of any reason I'd want to rsync Pan as root, and I never run as any other user. ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org https

Re: [Pan-users] Problem with Pan and rsync

2011-08-27 Thread Joe Zeff
On 08/27/2011 01:05 AM, Duncan wrote: I don't know for sure, but I can GUESS: If you indeed used ~/ for /home/username/ in both cases, as the (part that I can make out of the) above indicates, that might have been the mistake, since the shell (on the machine you're running the rsync command fro

Re: [Pan-users] Problem with Pan and rsync

2011-08-27 Thread Joe Zeff
On 08/27/2011 12:52 AM, Jim Henderson wrote: The trailing '/' on the source directory is important to rsync - you probably have a ~/.pan2/.pan2 on the target system. I just checked. There is no ~/.pan2/.pan2 on either machine. And, as far as I can tell, everything else got synced correctly.

[Pan-users] Problem with Pan and rsync

2011-08-26 Thread Joe Zeff
Right now, I'm house sitting at Chaos Manor (Some of you might know what that is.) and using my laptop. I have my own domain, and my desktop has an Internet-visible machine name with dynamic DNS. Before using Pan here, I tried using rsync to get everything I needed over here with this command

Re: [Pan-users] Odd error when posting

2011-08-12 Thread Joe Zeff
On 08/11/2011 07:35 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Joe Zeff wrote: Every time I try to post this afternoon, Pan pops up an error message that reads: 411 500 What? Does anybody know what this means? Checking the logs, there's nothing in them to explain this. My wild guess is that your

Re: [Pan-users] Odd error when posting

2011-08-12 Thread Joe Zeff
On 08/12/2011 09:40 AM, Jim Henderson wrote: One thing that could happen is that the posting profile might be pointing to a different server than the server you're reading from. No. I have one server set both for reading and posting. ___ Pan-users m

Re: [Pan-users] Odd error when posting

2011-08-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 08/11/2011 07:52 PM, Jim Henderson wrote: The 411 error code apparently means "no such newsgroup", per: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3977 That's strange, as in all cases it was a reply to a group I'm subscribed to and there was no problem posting to it earlier. I'll try again, and take

[Pan-users] Odd error when posting

2011-08-11 Thread Joe Zeff
Every time I try to post this afternoon, Pan pops up an error message that reads: 411 500 What? Does anybody know what this means? Checking the logs, there's nothing in them to explain this. ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org https://l

Re: [Pan-users] Astraweb Is Sending Bad Headers! -was: Articles Pan Can't Read

2011-08-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 08/11/2011 02:15 PM, Duncan wrote: If you can quote RFCs to 'em, they should pay a bit more attention, tho it may be that you'll need to request "tier two" or whatever, as is sometimes the case with ISPs. Judging from the time I spent doing Tier Two support for an ISP, you'll be lucky if an

Re: [Pan-users] Munging?

2011-07-28 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/28/2011 03:17 PM, Travis wrote: Someday somewhere somebody might register nowhere.com Presumably, somebody named Jeremy? ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users

Re: [Pan-users] Minor posting issue

2011-07-25 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/25/2011 03:02 PM, Duncan wrote: Yes, but that's the desktop environment, not the window manager. According to wikipedia xfce does come with a default window manager (xfwm), but that doesn't mean you can't switch that one out for a different one, if desired. Back when I used Gnome, I used

Re: [Pan-users] Minor posting issue

2011-07-25 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/25/2011 01:23 PM, Duncan wrote: But making pan a bit better behaved in the absence of such advanced window managers is a good thing, too. =:^) As I wrote, I use XFCE. I used to use Gnome, but don't remember what it did then. ___ Pan-users ma

Re: [Pan-users] Minor posting issue

2011-07-25 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/25/2011 01:11 PM, Heinrich Mueller wrote: If you're able to: I already changed it, you can compile my master branch if you like and test it. Thank you, but no. I do know how to do such things, but prefer to get everything from the Fedora repos, to keep everything in sync. And, it's su

[Pan-users] Minor posting issue

2011-07-25 Thread Joe Zeff
I use Pan in Linux, under XFCE. Sometimes, when I post a message, it takes a little while to get out, so I click on Pan's main window to bring it to the front and go on to the next message in the group. Alas, as soon as my message starts to go out, Pan brings that window to the front, often j

Re: [Pan-users] Quick question on using Pan on two computers

2011-07-18 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/18/2011 10:19 PM, Jeffrey Needle wrote: I have a desktop computer and a netbook, both running Ubuntu Linux 10.04. I have Pan installed on both systems. Is there a way for me to copy Pan's settings from my desktop to my netbook so that I don't have to set it all up again? I also want Pan

Re: [Pan-users] Quirks with ignored authors or posts

2011-07-16 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/16/2011 12:42 PM, Benjamin Esham wrote: Are there currently plans to fix either of these? A number of us have been asking for the first one for several years, with no results if that helps. ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http

Re: [Pan-users] GNKSA

2011-07-08 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/08/2011 12:03 AM, Duncan wrote: Obviously, my take as stated above was rather different. The way I read it, he was no longer the least bit interested in being involved, while you obviously believe he'd be willing to do an update, at least. Somewhere in the middle is another way. I made

Re: [Pan-users] VDQ Re: Policy discussion: GNKSA

2011-07-05 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/05/2011 11:29 AM, Beartooth wrote: Odd. The Freie Universit"at Berlin is still there : http://www.fu-berlin.de/en/ Try poking around both that, and the same with the ~en/ removed -- and email me [beartooth (at) comcast (dot) net] if the German gives you any trouble. German

Re: [Pan-users] To explain why I'm unwilling to update my glib/gtk+/etc libs ATM…

2011-07-05 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/05/2011 04:47 AM, Paul Crawford wrote: Firstly, all operating systems suck! It is a case of trading off what you want/need to have, what you are willing to pay (both money and/or time), and what faults you can put up with. I will go further, Paul: All Software Sucks (ASS) and All Hardware

Re: [Pan-users] Policy discussion: GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/04/2011 09:50 PM, Travis wrote: I'll look at the add on list but would appreciate you sending me the info when you have a chance. Take a look at ImportExport Tools; I think it's the right one. ___ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org htt

Re: [Pan-users] Policy discussion: GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/04/2011 08:52 PM, Alan Meyer wrote: You may not find an email client that will import directly from WLM. However WLM can "export" data. If you play with it you'll probably find that you can export most of your data into a standard format, like tab or comma separated values, that Thunderbi

Re: [Pan-users] VDQ Re: Policy discussion: GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/04/2011 05:43 PM, Duncan wrote: Probably not, but did you check the gnksa.org page's admin ref just in case, or is that the guy you contacted previously? I got the addresses for the two lists from gnksa.org. I'll probably ask my contact there later; don't want to be too much of a pest.

Re: [Pan-users] VDQ Re: Policy discussion: GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/04/2011 04:44 PM, Duncan wrote: Joe, as you've kindly volunteered to be a liaison, perhaps you could look into that and see if those lists are still active at al I doubt that either's still active; my subscribe message bounced, with a message that the domain fu-berlin.de was not found.

Re: [Pan-users] VDQ Re: Policy discussion: GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/04/2011 04:44 PM, Duncan wrote: Joe, as you've kindly volunteered to be a liaison, perhaps you could look into that and see if those lists are still active at all (it would have been nice if I could have simply checked gmane, but...), with the idea of posting a question to see if anyone sti

Re: [Pan-users] VDQ Re: Policy discussion: GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/04/2011 02:06 PM, Beartooth wrote: And how will the GNKSA, ossified or not, and New Pan's take on the GNKSA, affect things like the prestige of Gmane? I gather that the maintainer would be willing to update the GNKSA if we were to come up with reasonable and well-reasoned suggestions.

Re: [Pan-users] GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/04/2011 01:52 PM, Duncan wrote: Joe Zeff posted on Mon, 04 Jul 2011 13:43:13 -0700 as excerpted: I've just received a response to my email about updating the GNKSA. In part, it says: I'll have to think about the response some and digest it, before updating my opinion accord

[Pan-users] GNKSA

2011-07-04 Thread Joe Zeff
I've just received a response to my email about updating the GNKSA. In part, it says: Actually, I consider the GNKSA a historic document, to be read in the context of its own time, rather than a useful guideline for today's practice. It played its part, but to me its relevance is over. Usen

Re: [Pan-users] Policy discussion: GNKSA

2011-07-03 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/03/2011 12:54 PM, Rob wrote: Maybe the spec could be updated. Maybe it's time for it to just be retired. A little bit of work found an email address for one of the (then) maintainers, j...@gnksa.org. I've sent an email asking for feedback on this subject and will act as a liaison betw

Re: [Pan-users] Policy discussion: GNKSA

2011-07-03 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/03/2011 08:01 AM, George Czerw wrote: I agree with Travis, keep the GNKSA stamp. I can't imagine why anyone would really NEED more than 4 connections. I only use Pan for text groups, so I've no need for multiple connections. I agree about keeping the GNKSA stamp, but have a question: h

Re: [Pan-users] New file posting feature, broken? Misunderstood?

2011-06-29 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/29/2011 10:20 PM, Heinrich Mueller wrote: AFAICT that 'ff' is interpreted by my news and email clients as the UTF-8 character ÿ (UTF+00FF LATIN SMALL LETTER Y WITH DIAERESIS: French). When I first saw that, I thought the word was "diabetes." I'm glad I was wrong, as I really,really don'

Re: [Pan-users] Dependency hell with Pan on SL

2011-06-28 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/28/2011 02:35 PM, walt wrote: I've not tried gnome 3 yet -- gentoo is moving slowly towards it, not rushing. What interpreted language do you refer to? I gather that there's a fair amount of Java used and that the third-party extensions are mostly (if not totally) in that language. I

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