to be definitely suitable for server usage,
with only little time caring about them.
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SA is something that seems to happen roughly one year after no
> affected package is in tree anymore.
Well, it's not too bad lately:
http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-announce/
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nsider users safe from a security vulnerability
> until the vulnerability is patched in the tree AND the notice to
> update has been sent out.
Excellent, take this up with the security team. Reevaluate which archs
are security supported, and see if you can get a timeout policy
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could be provided.
The installer in mind here, would also possibly work for Gentoo Prefix
bootstraps, for which we would use a bootstrap cd.
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t it and announce as they see fit.
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d and disabled flags in
> different files.
Is there any resource you can point me to where it explains more
carefully why and when this has changed?
> 1.2 profiles/prefix/darwin/macos/10.4/x86/make.defaults
> -USE="${USE} mmx mmxext sse sse2"
> +USE="mmx
that. A long time ago I think we needed it in
order to have USE-flags retained.
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icate security click-through-couple-of-times before you
can access bugzilla is sort of annoying
As outsider, I don't like to accept another certificate thing, just to
view a bugtracker.
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On 07-03-2011 16:52:23 -0500, Rich Freeman wrote:
> In any case, I don't see poor browser design as a valid reason for
> avoiding the use of SSL...
Please use a MUA that properly honours Reply-To: headers. I'm on the
list.
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On 07-03-2011 17:25:02 -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > As outsider, I don't like to accept another certificate thing, just to
> > view a bugtracker.
>
> if we're only forcing *login*, then this isnt an issue
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, this should work for all targets, not just linux
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sure though, when you use a glob, that you check for the asterisk.
When there are no matches, bash assumes you meant the literal '*' and
hence will return "/foo/bar/*" in link_source.
So make sure you check the existence of whatever is in link_source
before using it.
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just include the diff in your
email please. Thanks.
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ind the default clear enough. It seems the mp3 USE-flag is
overloaded with multiple functions, this is likely the cause of the
problem here.
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On 31-03-2011 09:41:10 +0200, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> Dne 31.3.2011 09:33, Fabian Groffen napsal(a):
> > On 31-03-2011 09:23:16 +0200, justin wrote:
> >> instead of the default
> >>
> >> mp3 - Add support for reading mp3 files
> >
> > I find the def
e, the same flag is just
used for two different things, which is wrong if the flag is global.
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> inherit python
>
> #
>
> # = HANDLING OF METADATA
> =
> #
> ============
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is prefix installs. If I implement something
> like this, will it not break openrc on prefix systems?
does such thing exist?
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hat in most cases this makes finding the real error
easier. Has the drawback that it isn't always perfect/working, and that
one has to use a separate tool (or emerge --report-bug or something).
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lusion is that you probably want to maintain the ChangeLog
manually.
I also attached a sample of the script output for net-p2p/transmission
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cvsps2changelog.sh
Description: Bourne shell script
ChangeLog.gen
Description: GENbank data
tuck with your argument that you just think
removal information isn't useful to anyone. This argument is too funny
to be taken serious.
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On 01-05-2011 17:04:18 +0400, Peter Volkov wrote:
> В Вск, 01/05/2011 в 12:25 +0000, Fabian Groffen (grobian) пишет:
> > grobian 11/05/01 12:25:59
>
> > Fix econf call for Prefix: don't mix Prefix compatible and incompatible
> > code
>
>
On 01-05-2011 14:55:24 +, Duncan wrote:
> Fabian Groffen posted on Sun, 01 May 2011 12:00:17 +0200 as excerpted:
>
> > Attachment not shown: MIME type chemical/x-genbank; filename
> > ChangeLog.gen
>
> Had to laugh at that one. =:^)
Apologies, the .gen extension
On 01-05-2011 19:43:48 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
> My personal feeling is that we should keep the changelogs as-is, and
> include removals, until we're on git. Then we should re-evaluate.
git doesn't magically solve all the problems!
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e -l should give the user
> the full list of changes since his last update.
How about forgetting the time constraint, but just keeping all changelog
entries for all ebuilds that are in the tree?
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t; -
followed by the actual sed -i -e ...
This way I didn't need to write an intermediate file.
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On 21-05-2011 19:34:34 +0200, Jeroen Roovers wrote:
> On Fri, 20 May 2011 17:56:00 +0200
> Fabian Groffen wrote:
>
> > sed -e "" "${file}" | diff "${file}" -
> >
> > followed by the actual sed -i -e ...
> >
> > This way I
one useless sed.
Cool, nice to see you've made it into something useful!
> [1] https://github.com/cschwan/sage-on-gentoo/blob/master/sci-
> mathematics/sage/sage-4.7.ebuild
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ussions going on and the
> > updated devmanual)
>
> However, with git the issue is simplified because then developers will
> stop relying on ChangeLogs for information, and ChangeLogs will be
> used entirely to convey information to users.
I don't see how that simplifies
man?), people would have the ability to edit the ChangeLog
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to generate them) not about a
particular preference of documenting things or not.
So far, this thread was reasonably made of constructive, and sort of
objective replies. It would be nice, and probably most useful for the
council, if we could keep it this way.
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ll) be relevant?
I guess figuring out something here is useful both now as well as in the
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quot;Glep 48 update (as nominated for
next meeting)" thread, but disregarded as unnecessary bureaucratic
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load ssl stuff IMO.
> revdep-rebuild OTOH, has a more straightforward approach, simply
> detecting binaries that depended on now-absent libs and rebuilding them
> to depend on what's currently available instead.
Yup, but when the library is already gone, you sometimes cannot run the
nece
sions with some syntax that
specify ranges and more should just go, to be replaced by something
which is much less powerful in expressiveness, but much easier to
understand in the general picture, such as the USE-flags from the ruby
eclass.
Just my €0.02
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:' as separator, as some platforms have options
for their toolchain that includes colons.
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ter bash expansion. The recommended
> +character is a vertical bar: '|' (the pipe).
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-1. If your virtual is going to make it possible
to have no openrc, or some openrc-light, then that would certainly
improve things from our perspective.
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On 04-07-2011 16:23:11 -0500, William Hubbs wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 07:56:25PM +0200, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> > Just one little note, which is that Prefix is stuck with a modified
> > version of baselayout-1. If your virtual is going to make it possible
> > to ha
On 05-07-2011 03:00:27 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Monday, July 04, 2011 13:56:25 Fabian Groffen wrote:
> > Just one little note, which is that Prefix is stuck with a modified
> > version of baselayout-1.
>
> why ?
Because original baselayout-1 doesn't compile
36159247275ccb.xml
On 02-06-2011 11:13:38 +0200, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> Following up on the recent discussions about ChangeLogs, and what should
> be in there, versus what not, this email tries to describe the pros and
> cons of the frequently mentioned generation of ChangeLogs from the
rs that want to use git for their packages
less.
There probably are drawbacks to this system as well. I, however, only
see big advantages for the moment.
Comments, thoughts, ideas welcome.
[1] http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/
[2] http://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html
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I think your approach requires centralised administration to ensure
> minimal incidents in the infrastructure mechanisms.
Absolutely. Typically the rsync generation file is in its own repo, and
requires as much centralisation as the current CVS tree, or the proposed
git variant of that tree.
-
On 07-08-2011 00:07:41 +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> > In short, the repo-per-package model means that each package
> > (my-cat/package) is a separate repository in some VCS.
> > Instead of having a huge tree that w
t a simple
> recursive git pull to update the whole thing is highly desireable.
> Git submodules fit the bill perfectly.
I assumed something like this possible to be able to get "all" easily or
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icient with large repositories, use this ability
I'm not claiming git is inefficient. I think our current model is not
very flexible. An alternatives like the one I proposed solves certain
problems that currently exist within Gentoo.
[1] http://stats.prefix.freens.org/timing-rsync0.png
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On 06-08-2011 20:55:05 +, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 06, 2011 at 04:13:52PM +0200, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> > In this email, I step away from the current model that Gentoo uses for
> > the gentoo-x86 repository. Instead, I consider a repo-per-package
> > mo
On 07-08-2011 11:21:51 +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
> Fabian Groffen wrote:
> > This can be done with a single commit to the rsync tree script, and it
> > doesn't necessarily need git repos.
>
> And have you considered the function PoV on this?
>
> With clean
of it).
I don't feel users should be playing with these things in general. I
see the tree assembling thing more as a technical way to deal with some
given legacy and limitations. Admittedly, it isn't perfect, and many
people seem to intend doing things with a git-based tree that cannot be
done with now CVS, and an assembled tree wouldn't really support it out
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; if [[ ${PN} != "leechcraft-core" ]]; then
> > CMAKE_USE_DIR="${S}/src/plugins/${PN#leechcraft-}"
> > else
> > CMAKE_USE_DIR="${S}/src"
> > fi
> > fi
>
> if-elif-else-fi.
This sounds like a kind
is quoted.
it's a string, what's the problem?
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On 18-08-2011 21:41:47 +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 20:43:59 +0200
> Fabian Groffen wrote:
>
> > On 18-08-2011 20:42:23 +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
> > > > elif [[ ${PN} != "leechcraft-core" ]]; then
> > > >
#x27;SEND_STATS="no" (to never send) in your /etc/make.conf.
>
> *) And in the next step, after showing the data set(s): Send? [y/n]
>
> (why do all those words have to start with an 's'??)
send
display/view
later
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e office suite.
> > openoffice-ext_add_extension() {
> > debug-print-function ${FUNCNAME} "$@"
> > local ext=$1
> > local tmpdir=$(mktemp -d --tmpdir=${T})
>
> Isn't it just as important to doublequote ${T} as it is to doublequote
> ${D}?
ye
there for upstreams which *demand* that we use their CFLAGS,
and nothing else. Setting USE=custom-cflags there just overrides
upstream's flags in that case, which means you can expect upstream to
immediately flag any question/bug/complaint as invalid.
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1.126
> @@ -1,6 +1,10 @@
> # ChangeLog for dev-libs/libffi
> # Copyright 1999-2011 Gentoo Foundation; Distributed under the GPL v2
> +
> + 06 Sep 2011; Samuli Suominen -libffi-3.0.9.ebuild,
> + -libffi-3.0.10_rc8.ebuild:
> + [This is a placeholder. Please ignore.]
-
On 08-09-2011 14:54:24 +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> On 09/06/2011 11:31 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> > On 06-09-2011 20:24:54 +, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> >> Modified: ChangeLog
> >> Removed: libffi-3.0.10_rc8.ebuild libffi-3.0.9.ebuild
> >> Log:
> >
plaining about the speed of echangelog and repoman commit?)
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ries to dissuade the user from ever having to go
> in there.
Not sure what you mean here. An OSX system has /bin, /sbin, and
/usr/{bin,lib}. What's in /Library and /System is typically what the OS
uses for its own "services" and graphical stuff. So, /System doesn't
hide an
re obscure
> [[ ${foo} ]] and [[ ! ${foo} ]]?
>
> The shortest possible form is not always the one that's best readable.
+1
The style used is up to the maintainer.
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On 27-09-2011 17:51:04 +, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> Next time, I'll just specify the epoch time.
Ohw, eh, by the way, thanks for doing the maintenance!
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All,
In less than two weeks, the council will meet again. This is the time
to raise and prepare items that the council should put on the agenda to
vote on.
Please respond to this email with agenda items.
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Please refer to Mike's thread on this.
http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_7210bc8a18140db8f18ff89245efacd5.xml
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ng-1.5 stable in the very
> near future
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml?part=2&chap=5#doc_chap8
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> >
> In fact, like Samuli said, the waiting period is 14+ test is an become stable> which will be more than 30. No reason to
> s/14/30/
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It seems to me like you say here that any policy that Gentoo has that
you just don't like can be ignored because, well, you just don't like
it.
We can discuss whether or not the policy is ok, but should we ignore the
policy for that reason? I think not.
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on't like, then what would be the point
in having those policies at first?
Again, this doesn't mean that each policy in its current form is
de-facto the best thing or something like that.
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ither (ask Diego for example),
and I do allow you to make a lot of changes to my packages. Just don't
force your style and preferences on me.
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On 11-10-2011 21:01:40 +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> On 10/11/2011 08:05 PM, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> > On 11-10-2011 19:59:13 +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> >> So I've missed one ${EPREFIX} for docdir= ? How about just fixing that,
> >> and not crapping all over
cy.
[1]
http://devmanual.gentoo.org/ebuild-writing/functions/src_prepare/epatch/index.html
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, does it?
> So it very rarely makes sense to call epatch multiple times, and
> certainly doesn't improve maintainability.
Conclusion doesn't follow from argumentation.
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On 11-10-2011 23:00:19 +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> > The devmanual doesn't suggest this is the way to go, does it?
>
> No, but it should.
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suggested one (since the last meeting).
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On 26-10-2011 18:35:51 +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 18:30:25 +0200
> Fabian Groffen wrote:
>
> > In less than two weeks, the council will meet again. This is the time
> > to raise and prepare items that the council should put on the agenda
>
rough
this message.
[1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20111011-summary.txt
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towards preventing useless ChangeLog entries.
Also this has been discussed and decided upon by the current and
previous Councils, so also that opinion is unlikely to suddenly change.
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On 26-10-2011 19:11:24 +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 19:06:07 +0200
> Fabian Groffen wrote:
>
> > > 3) one step towards preventing useless ChangeLog entries.
> >
> > Also this has been discussed and decided upon by the current and
> > pre
On 26-10-2011 20:05:05 +0200, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> Why don't we try to reach a consensus? Maybe we should be allowed to
> simply run echangelog (or whatever is used) to generate a message like:
> 26 Oct 2011; Pacho Ramos -pangomm-2.26.3.ebuild
>
> And simply that
>
> Pros:
> - People refusing
line to keep the file intact up to a year before
> the last commit. Eventually the files will be cleaned up.
Don't you think it's much more sensical to remove all entries for
ebuilds that are no longer in the tree then?
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On 27-10-2011 03:28:33 +, Duncan wrote:
> Fabian Groffen posted on Wed, 26 Oct 2011 23:00:22 +0200 as excerpted:
> > On 26-10-2011 14:02:12 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
> >> Well, if the desire to trim changelogs is generally agreed upon we
> >> could always just cou
ot;make VERBOSE=1" too.
>
> I've seen too many bugs reports today that gave me cute, colorful
> build.logs and almost no information about underlaying bug...
... and with the actual build information, some of Portage's checks can
do their work too.
+1, I'd love to se
; offset = ""
>
> - for i, x in enumerate(mergelist):
> + for i, x in enumerate(sorted(mergelist)):
>
> mysrc = join(srcroot, offset, x)
> mydest = join(destroot, offset, x)
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don't think bash or coreutils do that. We explicitly configure them
with --prefix=/ or move some utils back and forth.
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by not moving some of the tools to /bin. Our
ebuild makes it conform to FHS, not the coreutils buildsystem itself.
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conservative bunch. But I heard that kmod will start looking for modules
> in /usr/lib/modules ...
Seems they just made it a configure argument though [1].
[1]
http://git.profusion.mobi/cgit.cgi/kmod.git/commit/?id=a308abec371364eec8344681cfe1fb50d624e43e
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onfigure switch until the kernel switches their install
> location, so they aren't forcing this one.
Current git even sets the default to "", so in fact they went back to
just /lib/modules.
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On 03-01-2012 14:01:20 -0600, William Hubbs wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 08:12:06PM +0100, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> > > I think the best way to do this part of it is going to be to just follow
> > > the upstream packages. When they release a new version that installs in
&
ut if it happens, easy to fix, so not really a
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el. You'd just attach through
the console (netmgt, ipmi, keyboard/vga) instead.
> And a compiler. If I mess up some important system component, I'd really
> use one. And package manager. And backup system libraries...
Time for your PXE boot from net to just bring back a sane image or so.
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image or so.
>
> My PXE boot from net won't happen because possible /usr-over-NFS relies
> on random files from other rootfs, and they just failed to be in sync
> between two of my systems.
Seems like you've got a situation where you'd just shove in a livecd
then.
re now
no longer valid, because...?
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needing a "force" from the Council.
Just implement it in a way that people can opt-in/opt-out on it.
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libreoffice-writer -> Libreoffice Writer
Currently this is not possible (when Manifest is signed), since
metadata.xml is included in the Manifest. However the thin manifest
approach might allow something like this.
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erfectly
fine these days, so it should preferably be used instead. (Even the
man-page, utf8(7), suggests that.)
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ord in an ebuild? The var ESVN_PASSWORD
> seems like trouble to me.
I've seen some projects that have a "anonymous" or "guest" user with a
trivial/documented password, so I guess it's for cases like those.
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the human SSD.
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team, after two independent breakages
> > 2.) Revoking the commit access for 14 days
> >
> > These violations will be evaluated individually by all QA team members.
> > Warnings can be revoked, if during 6 months period a developer makes at
> > least 20 non trivial changes not producing more breakages.
> >
> >
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