On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 04:47:31PM -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> On 05/11/2015 04:08 PM, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> > By drop, I will clarify that they should ideally be rejected at SMTP
> > time, not silently dropped.
>
> I believe those logs show a rejection after the message has been
> accept
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 03:27:12PM +0200, Charles Nérot wrote:
> Lot of thing are done for fighting spam : dnssec, dane, spf, dkim,
> dmarc... All of this for "trusting real sender".
> Some of them break smtp built in fonctionnality : spf break forwarding [1].
DANE does nothing for spam, there are
On 05/11/2015 04:08 PM, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> By drop, I will clarify that they should ideally be rejected at SMTP
> time, not silently dropped.
>
I believe those logs show a rejection after the message has been
accepted initially (if I'm wrong, you can ignore the rest of this). This
is bette
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:09:08PM +0200, Niels Dettenbach wrote:
> > As past long-standing practice, @Gentoo.org system-level mail handling for
> > incoming mail was officially to tag everything, and delete nothing.
> This is - for a public internet Mailer / MX - a VERY bad option - at least
> ma
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 03:39:13PM +0300, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
> Unconditional adjustment of free software infrastructure for very
> questionable rules of proprietary product is a very bad idea.
It's an ecosystem. If we do nothing, we continue to penalize all
developers who forward their mail to
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 03:31:51PM -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> On 05/11/2015 03:29 AM, Eray Aslan wrote:
> > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 04:26:01AM +, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> >> TL;DR: As of May 17, @gentoo.org will drop incoming spammy mail instead of
> >> delivering it. Speak now or hold y
On 05/11/2015 03:35 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>
> Could it be an alternative to move the messages flagged as spam into
> an own folder that isn't forwarded? at least that means it doesn't
> impact operations for those using it locally and the mail is still
> around, if a webmail interface o
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On 05/11/2015 09:31 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> On 05/11/2015 03:29 AM, Eray Aslan wrote:
>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 04:26:01AM +, Robin H. Johnson
>> wrote:
>>> TL;DR: As of May 17, @gentoo.org will drop incoming spammy mail
>>> instead of del
On 05/11/2015 03:29 AM, Eray Aslan wrote:
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 04:26:01AM +, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
>> TL;DR: As of May 17, @gentoo.org will drop incoming spammy mail instead of
>> delivering it. Speak now or hold your peace.
>
> Believe me I understand your pain. Been there done that.
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:55 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:21 AM, C Bergström
> wrote:
>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:44 AM, C Bergström
>>> wrote:
What I'm describing is not "gmail" - it's everything that gm
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:21 AM, C Bergström wrote:
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:44 AM, C Bergström
>> wrote:
>>> What I'm describing is not "gmail" - it's everything that gmail has
>>> and offers, but @gentoo.org domain. I'm using it rig
Dnia 2015-05-11, o godz. 17:20:01
Ciaran McCreesh napisał(a):
> On Mon, 11 May 2015 18:17:10 +0200
> Alexis Ballier wrote:
> > You should probably think about the difference between public code
> > being mirrored at github and giving some big company access to private
> > emails.
>
> Like your
On Mon, 11 May 2015 17:20:01 +0100
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Mon, 11 May 2015 18:17:10 +0200
> Alexis Ballier wrote:
> > You should probably think about the difference between public code
> > being mirrored at github and giving some big company access to
> > private emails.
>
> Like your phon
Look at the forwarding which is already happening. They are already
giving that big company the emails. That big company gets a copy of
every email which is posted publicly already.
Are you concerned about their privacy policy? Are you concerned about
them complying to a government demand or ads..
On 05/11/2015 10:21 AM, C Bergström wrote:
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:44 AM, C Bergström
>> wrote:
>>> What I'm describing is not "gmail" - it's everything that gmail has
>>> and offers, but @gentoo.org domain. I'm using it right now in f
On Mon, 11 May 2015 18:17:10 +0200
Alexis Ballier wrote:
> You should probably think about the difference between public code
> being mirrored at github and giving some big company access to private
> emails.
Like your phone company, ISP, and national intelligence agencies?
--
Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 11 May 2015 22:21:09 +0700
C Bergström wrote:
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Rich Freeman
> wrote:
> > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:44 AM, C Bergström
> > wrote:
> >> What I'm describing is not "gmail" - it's everything that gmail has
> >> and offers, but @gentoo.org domain. I'm using
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:44 AM, C Bergström
> wrote:
>> What I'm describing is not "gmail" - it's everything that gmail has
>> and offers, but @gentoo.org domain. I'm using it right now in fact.
>>
>> You get the web interface, IMAP, POP,
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:44 AM, C Bergström wrote:
> What I'm describing is not "gmail" - it's everything that gmail has
> and offers, but @gentoo.org domain. I'm using it right now in fact.
>
> You get the web interface, IMAP, POP, 2 token authentication (if you
> want to enabled it) and lots o
What I'm describing is not "gmail" - it's everything that gmail has
and offers, but @gentoo.org domain. I'm using it right now in fact.
You get the web interface, IMAP, POP, 2 token authentication (if you
want to enabled it) and lots of other things. etc etc
It used to be free, but now google cha
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:37 AM, C Bergström wrote:
> Sorry to shoot and run, but I think you're trying to tackle this
> problem in the wrong way. The problem isn't to drop the mail. The
> solution is to change email hosting providers. As a non-profit I
> believe Google hosted apps would be an opt
Hi,
In libtool.eclass[1], it is mentioned in the comments of elt_patch_dir()
that
# If an overlay has eclass overrides, but doesn't actually override the
# libtool.eclass, we'll have ECLASSDIR pointing to the active overlay's
# eclass/ dir, but libtool.eclass is still in the main Gentoo tree. So
Sorry to shoot and run, but I think you're trying to tackle this
problem in the wrong way. The problem isn't to drop the mail. The
solution is to change email hosting providers. As a non-profit I
believe Google hosted apps would be an option (free). Then it would be
possible to simply leverage that
Hello,
Lot of thing are done for fighting spam : dnssec, dane, spf, dkim,
dmarc... All of this for "trusting real sender".
Some of them break smtp built in fonctionnality : spf break forwarding [1].
If you beleive in spf (gentoo.org have an spf dns entry) , two ways need
to be looked at :
- fixi
Am Montag, 11. Mai 2015, 15:39:13 schrieb Andrew Savchenko:
> Mail filtering is a minefield: too much spam is bad, loosing
> even single important e-mail due to over restrictive filter is even
> worse.
This is true, as far as you go over standard compliance checks and unserstand
standard violating
Hi,
On Mon, 11 May 2015 04:26:01 + Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> As past long-standing practice, @Gentoo.org system-level mail handling for
> incoming mail was officially to tag everything, and delete nothing.
>
> All deletion decisions were left to developers, via procmail/sieve/etc.
>
> This w
Am Montag, 11. Mai 2015, 04:26:01 schrieb Robin H. Johnson:
> This was a good early policy, as Gentoo was a much more reliable host than
> email providers a decade ago. This isn't true anymore, with the meteoric
> rise
> and success of gmail.
This is not true at all - but email service "reliability
On 11/05/15 05:26, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> Unless there are any major objections, as of May 17th, Infra will start
> dropping mail that scores more than 10.0 points in Spamassassin.
This is excellent, as I will then finally be able to forward my Gentoo
alias to the work e-mail server. Like GMail
Hi!
On Mon, 11 May 2015, Eray Aslan wrote:
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 04:26:01AM +, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> > TL;DR: As of May 17, @gentoo.org will drop incoming spammy mail instead of
> > delivering it. Speak now or hold your peace.
>
> Believe me I understand your pain. Been there done t
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 04:26:01AM +, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> TL;DR: As of May 17, @gentoo.org will drop incoming spammy mail instead of
> delivering it. Speak now or hold your peace.
Believe me I understand your pain. Been there done that. However,
dropping mail is never a good idea. You
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