Re: [gentoo-dev] LICENSE and revbumps

2008-08-26 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> Should LICENSE changes require a revision bump? No, since it would be a waste of users' resources. For example, if a dev has missed a change from GPL-2 to GPL-3 (which I guess is a common case), would you really have users reinstall the package in this case? What would be the benefit? Ulrich

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] PROPERTIES=virtual for meta-packages (clarification of definition)

2008-08-26 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Zac Medico wrote: > Michal Kurgan wrote: >> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:49:12 -0700 >> Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> The PROPERTIES approach still seems a lot simpler and practical to >>> me. It seems to me that the approach involving categor

Re: [gentoo-dev] LICENSE and revbumps

2008-08-26 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:17:48 -0600 Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Should LICENSE changes require a revision bump? No. Any ebuild should be published with a correct reference to a license. If you initially publish the ebuild with a bad reference, you simply correct it later on. It's not a

[gentoo-dev] Re: media-fonts/droid licensing: should fonts include Apache license in tarball?

2008-08-26 Thread Ryan Hill
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:25:42 +0400 Peter Volkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello. > > There are droid fonts package in the tree. Author states that they are > apache licensed [1] (supposedly similar to google's android sdk) but > license itself is not included in the package (only .ttf files ar

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] PROPERTIES=virtual for meta-packages (clarification of definition)

2008-08-26 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Duncan and others wrote: | | Moves as for kde/kde-meta might be an issue, You can leave kde meta packages out of this discussion as our plan is to move to sets. We're going to have sets for 4.1* and plan to completely drop meta packages for 4.2. - -

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] PROPERTIES=virtual for meta-packages (clarification of definition)

2008-08-26 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michal Kurgan wrote: > On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:49:12 -0700 > Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The PROPERTIES approach still seems a lot simpler and practical to >> me. It seems to me that the approach involving categories introduces >> needle

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] What features should be included in EAPI 2?

2008-08-26 Thread Ryan Hill
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:27:03 +0100 Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > >> b) Does it really matter? > > > > In the grand scheme of things, no. In the grand scheme of things, > > you only *need* a single src_ function. From a maintainer > > convenience perspective, ho

Re: [gentoo-dev] LICENSE and revbumps

2008-08-26 Thread Yuri Vasilevski
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:17:48 -0600 Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Should LICENSE changes require a revision bump? A licence changes what get's installed, ok the files are the same, but the meaning of having the same files is different. So I say yes. > It kinda seems to me the answer shou

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] PROPERTIES=virtual for meta-packages (clarification of definition)

2008-08-26 Thread Michal Kurgan
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:49:12 -0700 Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The PROPERTIES approach still seems a lot simpler and practical to > me. It seems to me that the approach involving categories introduces > needless complexity without bringing any really useful benefits. Could you elabora

[gentoo-dev] LICENSE and revbumps

2008-08-26 Thread Ryan Hill
I have an interesting (to me anyways) question. Should LICENSE changes require a revision bump? It kinda seems to me the answer should be yes. I don't know if any PM currently implements LICENSE filtering so there may not be any technical reason for it yet. And so I guess it comes down to a phi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] PROPERTIES=virtual for meta-packages (clarification of definition)

2008-08-26 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Duncan wrote: > Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], > excerpted below, on Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:44:22 -0700: > >> Duncan wrote: >>> I therefore believe I like just moving them all to a *virtual*/ >>> category better, thus obviating

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] PROPERTIES=virtual for meta-packages (clarification of definition)

2008-08-26 Thread Duncan
Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:44:22 -0700: > Duncan wrote: >> I therefore believe I like just moving them all to a *virtual*/ >> category better, thus obviating the need for that particular property >> in the first place. > > Thi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Usages of CVS $Header$ keyword in ebuilds - use cases wanted

2008-08-26 Thread René 'Necoro' Neumann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 René 'Necoro' Neumann schrieb: > Only oddity are > revnos of merged branches (e.g. "193.1.10") Gnah - forget this issue.. from the main branch' viewpoint, the last change is always in the merge revision, and not in a revision being merged. So it is gu

Re: [gentoo-dev] Usages of CVS $Header$ keyword in ebuilds - use cases wanted

2008-08-26 Thread René 'Necoro' Neumann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robin H. Johnson schrieb: > On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 12:37:09AM +0200, Ren?? 'Necoro' Neumann wrote: >> - --or: to have the unique rev-id instead of the branch-local rev-number-- >> bzr log -l1 --show-ids $FILE | grep "revision-id" | cut -f2 -d' ' > IIR

Re: [gentoo-dev] Usages of CVS $Header$ keyword in ebuilds - use cases wanted

2008-08-26 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 12:37:09AM +0200, Ren?? 'Necoro' Neumann wrote: > - --or: to have the unique rev-id instead of the branch-local rev-number-- > bzr log -l1 --show-ids $FILE | grep "revision-id" | cut -f2 -d' ' IIRC, the revision-id is just like the Git $Id$, it's a hex string, not an increme

Re: [gentoo-dev] Usages of CVS $Header$ keyword in ebuilds - use cases wanted

2008-08-26 Thread Yuri Vasilevski
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:25:16 -0700 "Robin H. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 04:57:50PM -0500, Yuri Vasilevski wrote: > > > Why do you need to identify the changes? Considering that the > > > checksum changes as well, is detecting change not sufficient? (or > > > aski

Re: [gentoo-dev] Usages of CVS $Header$ keyword in ebuilds - use cases wanted

2008-08-26 Thread Raúl Porcel
Robin H. Johnson wrote: > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 03:59:09PM -0500, Yuri Vasilevski wrote: >>> Err, what do you mean by revision dump? >> revision dump is when foo-1.0-r4 becomes foo-1.0-r5. > That's revision 'B'ump, not 'D'ump. > bumb!!

Re: [gentoo-dev] Usages of CVS $Header$ keyword in ebuilds - use cases wanted

2008-08-26 Thread René 'Necoro' Neumann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robin H. Johnson schrieb: > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 04:57:50PM -0500, Yuri Vasilevski wrote: >> I am writing a tool that creates deb (as in Debian package format) based >> distributions from gentoo packages and that tool encodes the CVS >> revision as

Re: [gentoo-dev] Usages of CVS $Header$ keyword in ebuilds - use cases wanted

2008-08-26 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 04:57:50PM -0500, Yuri Vasilevski wrote: > > Why do you need to identify the changes? Considering that the checksum > > changes as well, is detecting change not sufficient? (or asking the > > VCS for what files have changed since your last check time). > I am writing a tool

Re: [gentoo-dev] Usages of CVS $Header$ keyword in ebuilds - use cases wanted

2008-08-26 Thread Yuri Vasilevski
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:45:25 -0700 "Robin H. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 03:59:09PM -0500, Yuri Vasilevski wrote: > > > Err, what do you mean by revision dump? > > revision dump is when foo-1.0-r4 becomes foo-1.0-r5. > That's revision 'B'ump, not 'D'ump. Sorry, n

Re: [gentoo-dev] Usages of CVS $Header$ keyword in ebuilds - use cases wanted

2008-08-26 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 03:59:09PM -0500, Yuri Vasilevski wrote: > > Err, what do you mean by revision dump? > revision dump is when foo-1.0-r4 becomes foo-1.0-r5. That's revision 'B'ump, not 'D'ump. > But when foo-1.0-r4 is updated in-place, I use CVS revisions > (ej: 1.12 -> 1.13 in 2nd word in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Usages of CVS $Header$ keyword in ebuilds - use cases wanted

2008-08-26 Thread Yuri Vasilevski
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:54:21 -0700 "Robin H. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 03:41:07PM -0500, Yuri Vasilevski wrote: > > > I'm doing some research on our usages of the $Header$ keyword in > > > our main CVS repo. > > > > > > Q: Are there any other use-cases you have

Re: [gentoo-dev] Usages of CVS $Header$ keyword in ebuilds - use cases wanted

2008-08-26 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 03:41:07PM -0500, Yuri Vasilevski wrote: > > I'm doing some research on our usages of the $Header$ keyword in our > > main CVS repo. > > > > Q: Are there any other use-cases you have and actively use? > I use the revision present in the header to identify changes in > ebuil

Re: [gentoo-dev] Usages of CVS $Header$ keyword in ebuilds - use cases wanted

2008-08-26 Thread Mart Raudsepp
On T, 2008-08-26 at 13:40 -0700, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > The primary use-case that has been publicly stated before was for > users > to be able to identify to developers what version of a given ebuild they > were using. > > Q: How much have you utilized the primary use case? Never. There has ne

Re: [gentoo-dev] Usages of CVS $Header$ keyword in ebuilds - use cases wanted

2008-08-26 Thread Yuri Vasilevski
Hi, On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:40:36 -0700 "Robin H. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm doing some research on our usages of the $Header$ keyword in our > main CVS repo. > > Q: Are there any other use-cases you have and actively use? I use the revision present in the header to identify chang

[gentoo-dev] Usages of CVS $Header$ keyword in ebuilds - use cases wanted

2008-08-26 Thread Robin H. Johnson
Hi folks, I'm doing some research on our usages of the $Header$ keyword in our main CVS repo. The primary use-case that has been publicly stated before was for users to be able to identify to developers what version of a given ebuild they were using. Q: How much have you utilized the primary use

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] PROPERTIES=virtual for meta-packages (clarification of definition)

2008-08-26 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Duncan wrote: > I therefore believe I like just moving them all to a *virtual*/ category > better, thus obviating the need for that particular property in the first > place. This has been suggested elsewhere in the thread [1] but I think the the PRO

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] PROPERTIES=virtual for meta-packages (clarification of definition)

2008-08-26 Thread Duncan
Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:20:44 +0100: > On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:39:38 + (UTC) Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> But I think virtual works just fine for kde-base/kde, too, if one >> simply reads it literally -- it

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] PROPERTIES=virtual for meta-packages (clarification of definition)

2008-08-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:39:38 + (UTC) Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But I think virtual works just fine for kde-base/kde, too, if one > simply reads it literally -- it's a virtual package in that it > doesn't install anything itself, even if it's a meta-package rather > than having the mea