Re: [Site] svn:external RAT reference still needed ?

2012-06-11 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On 06/11/12 15:17, sebb wrote: Do we still need the following external on https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk ? svn:external rat -r679965 http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/rat/main/trunk/scan/src/main Those RAT files have not been updated since 2008. There are expe

[RESULT][VOTE][IPMC] Graduate RAT as Apache Creadur Project

2012-03-24 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On 03/11/12 19:42, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: I will tally the results no earlier than noon UTC on Thursday, March 22, (Apologies - the convention is 72 hours, and that's what I had mind) 2012[4]. I count (binding) +1 Ross Gardler +1 Marvin Humphrey +1 Mark Struberg +1 Ate Dou

Re: [VOTE][IPMC] Graduate RAT as Apache Creadur Project

2012-03-11 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On 03/11/12 19:42, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: -8<--- [X] +1 Recommend The Apache Creadur Proposal To The Board (below) [ ] +0 [ ] -0 [ ] -1 Do not graduate Rat podling -- (

[VOTE][IPMC] Graduate RAT as Apache Creadur Project

2012-03-11 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
he Apache Creadur Project: * Stefan Bodewig * Brian E Fox * David Crossley * David Blevins * Dennis Lundberg * Gavin McDonald * Jochen Wiedmann * Niall Pemberton * Robert Burrell Donkin * Ross Duncan Gardler * Sebastian Bazley NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLV

[REVIEW] Apache Creadur Proposal

2012-03-04 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
the initial members of the Apache Creadur Project: ... NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Robert Burrell Donkin be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Creadur, to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the

[RESULT][VOTE] RAT Ready To Graduate As Apache Creadur Top Level Project

2012-03-04 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
My tally of results: +1 [rat-dev] Robert Burrell Donkin Chris A.Mattmann Craig L.Russell William A. Rowe Jr. David Blevins Hugo Hirsch Sebb Gavin McDonald Stefan Bodewig David Crossley Jochen Wiedmann Matthew B. Franklin Luciano Resende Mark Struberg [general

[VOTE] RAT Ready To Graduate As Apache Creadur Top Level Project

2012-02-26 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
nted to serve as the initial members of the Apache Creadur Project: ... NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Robert Burrell Donkin be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Creadur, to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of t

[jira] [Closed] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1) Establish whether "Apache Rat" is a suitable name

2012-01-31 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Closed) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Robert Burrell Donkin closed PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1. - Resolution: Fixed The consensus reached is that though

[jira] [Closed] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4) Establish Whether "Apache Creadur" would be a Suitable Name

2012-01-31 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Closed) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Robert Burrell Donkin closed PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4. - Resolution: Fixed There is little evidence that Creadur

Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-30 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Leo Simons wrote: > Hey Robert, Leo :-) (Great to hear from you again) > Thanks for this; it was obviously a lot of work! A parting gift to the Incubator :-) Robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-30 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > Robert Burrell Donkin wrote on Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 08:31:50 +: >> Brand would be satisfied by - say - a profession trademark search > > [citation needed] I'm not will to cite out of context. Please read all t

Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-30 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > Robert Burrell Donkin wrote on Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 08:33:38 +: >> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Daniel Shahaf >> wrote: >> > Jukka Zitting wrote on Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 23:47:38 +0100: >> >> Hi,

Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-30 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > Jukka Zitting wrote on Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 23:47:38 +0100: >> Hi, >> >> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin >> wrote: >> > Please note that I didn't invent this process. I

Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-30 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin > wrote: >> Please note that I didn't invent this process. I would have preferred >> something much simpler. I just documented the recomme

Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-29 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin > wrote: >> The status quo is that podlings must check that their name is suitable >> before graduation. > > The wording of the incubator policy o

Re: [names] Public Review

2012-01-29 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin > wrote: >> The new documentation describing in more detail one way to check the >> suitability of the proposed name is just about ready for public re

[names] Public Review

2012-01-29 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
The new documentation describing in more detail one way to check the suitability of the proposed name is just about ready for public review (at least, once the mirrors have sync'd) The aim is to be able to replace the outdated task in the status template with a link to good documentation consist w

Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair

2012-01-27 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > This belongs on general@ ... > > A call for nominations for Incubator PMC Chair was started on the private@ > list.  The nomination process should be open to the Incubator community. Is this the time to thank Noel for all the great work o

Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair

2012-01-27 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > This belongs on general@ ... > > A call for nominations for Incubator PMC Chair was started on the private@ > list.  The nomination process should be open to the Incubator community. "What qualities does a good Incubator Chair need?" - Ro

Re: Actively retiring projects

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: > On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin > wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Ross Gardler >> wrote: >>> On 16 January 2012 11:51, Robert Burrell Donkin >>> wrote: >>> >

Re: Actively retiring projects

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > On 16 January 2012 11:51, Robert Burrell Donkin > wrote: > > ... > >> Terminating projects with active communities is the area of active dispute > > Can you please provide a link to a message in the archive that s

Re: Kato status (Was: Actively retiring projects)

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > Hi, > > There seems to be some people assuming that the IPMC wants to > terminate the Kato podling. Looking back I wonder if my original > status review was the source of this: :-) > On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: >>

Improved Reporting [WAS Re: [VOTE] Park Kato]

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Sam Ruby w. > I would like to call on everybody to > focus on ensuring that reports > submitted are timely and contain all of the relevant information. ATM the reports remind me of a poorly edited and reviewed reincarnation of the Jakarta Newsletter. What

Re: Actively retiring projects

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:43 AM, ant elder wrote: >> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Jukka Zitting >> wrote: >>> Projects like PDFBox >>> or River are living examples of how active mentoring can turn around >>> the fortunes of a

Re: Actively retiring projects

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: 20 Jul 2011: > >  ensure that long running incubating projects actually have a plausible >  plan to graduate Thanks - I see now that the pressure for Mentors to active against their best judgment of the interests of the Foundation comes from the

Re: [VOTE] Park Kato

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > -1 > > The IPMC is currently discussing how to handle these situations. The IPMC has descended quickly in a long series of threads heavy on personal abuse and light on constructive proposals. You call this 'discussion'. I call it a waste of t

Re: Actively retiring projects

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > On 16 January 2012 09:31, Robert Burrell Donkin >> The right way to discipline Mentors is to remove them from the IPMC. >> I've started a thread on private. Threatening to terminate their >> podlings just mudd

Re: Actively retiring projects

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > On 16 January 2012 09:16, Robert Burrell Donkin > wrote: >> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Ross Gardler >> wrote: >>> On 15 January 2012 20:55, Robert Burrell Donkin >>> wrote: >>>>

Re: Actively retiring projects

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:23 AM, ant elder wrote: > On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Ross Gardler > wrote: >> On 16 January 2012 09:05, ant elder wrote: >> >> ... >> >>> ActiveMQ, Cassandra, CXF, Felix, Harmony >>> >>> Are people seriously suggesting that the ASF would be better off had >>> we t

Re: Actively retiring projects

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > Can we please stop with the alarmist statements and silly votes. This is Apache. Apache runs through VOTEs. No VOTE is silly. Robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-un

Re: Actively retiring projects

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > On 15 January 2012 20:55, Robert Burrell Donkin > wrote: >> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: >>> +1 >> >> Voting to terminate a project through lack of success sends a very >> clea

Re: Actively retiring projects

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 8:54 AM, ant elder wrote: > I don't know about if they could keep their name but from recent > discussions elsewhere I expect they would not be able to continue > using things like org.apache package names which rules out maintenance > of past releases, small poddlings by d

Re: [VOTE] Park Kato

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > --8<- > [X] +1 Park Kato > [ ] +0 > [ ] -0 > [ ] -

[VOTE] Park Kato

2012-01-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
Kato implements a specification. Work on this specification is currently suspended and its future is unknown. IMHO Kato was healthy and progressing towards eventual graduation before this external problem stopped work. Creating, reading and review reports for podlings in this unusual situation is

Re: Q: including notice for binary release of artifacts that are brought in via Maven?

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:56 PM, Jakob Homan wrote: >> What are the mechanics for having two NOTICE/LICENSE >> files for one release? > > If you're using Maven and the Apache parent POM, you can put any extra > LICENSE and NOTICE c

[jira] [Commented] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4) Establish Whether "Apache Creadur" would be a Suitable Name

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Commented) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=13186594#comment-13186594 ] Robert Burrell Donkin commented on PODLINGNAMESEAR

Help Wanted: Improved Podling Name Search Documentation

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
The current status task related to trademarks doesn't play well with the new trademark rules, and doesn't describe in detail how to go about a search I've done a couple of searches[2] and [3], plus an early draft of a guide [1] I'd be great if people could take a look and dive in with improvement

Re: Actively retiring projects

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: > +1 Voting to terminate a project through lack of success sends a very clear message. Being 'terminated' is a very clear and public punishment, both for Mentors and for the project. IMO termination should be used only as a sanction for podlings w

"Apache Creator" suitability [WAS Re: [jira] [Commented] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4) Establish Whether "Apache Creadur" would be a Suitable Name]

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
I don't speak welsh or german (beyond a few words), so I relied on automated translations. Please review and jump in with comments if you find any mistakes. Robert On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin (Commented) (JIRA) wrote: > >    [ > https://issues.apache.o

[jira] [Commented] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4) Establish Whether "Apache Creadur" would be a Suitable Name

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Commented) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=13186571#comment-13186571 ] Robert Burrell Donkin commented on PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4: --

[jira] [Updated] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4) Establish Whether "Apache Creadur" would be a Suitable Name

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Updated) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Robert Burrell Donkin updated PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4: -- Evidence Of Use On World Wide Web: Searched for

[jira] [Updated] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4) Establish Whether "Apache Creadur" would be a Suitable Name

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Updated) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Robert Burrell Donkin updated PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4: -- Evidence Of Registration: Searched for "cr

[jira] [Updated] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4) Establish Whether "Apache Creadur" would be a Suitable Name

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Updated) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Robert Burrell Donkin updated PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4: -- Evidence Of Open Source Adoption: Searched for

[jira] [Created] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-4) Establish Whether "Apache Creadur" would be a Suitable Name

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Created) (JIRA)
mes Search Issue Type: Suitable Name Search Reporter: Robert Burrell Donkin "Creadur" means "Creature" in Welsh. My grandmother was a native Welsh speaker but I have very little. As far I know, Creadur has no immoral or scandalous meanings. -- This message

Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)]

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > - Original Message - > >> From: Robert Burrell Donkin >> To: general@incubator.apache.org >> Cc: >> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:11 PM >> Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this mon

Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)]

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > - Original Message - > >> From: Robert Burrell Donkin >> To: general@incubator.apache.org >> Cc: >> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:01 PM >> Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this mon

Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)]

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > It is good that someone finally explained their opinion of > a mentor's responsibility to the IPMC out in the open.  Let > me disagree with you that mentors are not supposed to be put > in the position of judging whether or not a podling is ac

Re: Droids status (Was: Actively retiring projects)

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Richard Frovarp wrote: >> You say it isn't active enough for a TLP. My question is what constitutes >> active enough? > > Basically one that meets the criteria described in [1]. My subjective > int

Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)]

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Stuart Monteith wrote: >> I'll back up what Ant said - Robert and Ant have shown heroic patience as >> mentors on this project. The situation will resolve itself one way or the >> other soon. > > If the ques

Re: Podling rename, vote needed?

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 3:48 AM, sebb wrote: >> On a related matter, how is the rename being handled for the various >> incubator data files, web-pages, mailing lists etc.? > > We're still working on that, but I suppose we'll be lea

Re: Podling rename, vote needed?

2012-01-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 3:29 AM, Jukka Zitting > wrote: >> ...As discussed during the Callback proposal phase [1], the podling >> community wasn't too certain about the "Callback" name and thus after >> some discussion they recently v

Re: [VOTE] Recommend graduating Apache Bean-Validation (BVAL) as a TLP

2012-01-08 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Mark Struberg wrote: > Hi Robert! > > Thanks for checking! Thanks for getting back so quick :-) > I did update > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/site-author/projects/beanvalidation.xml > a few hours ago. Based on that record, I'm now +1 >

Re: [VOTE] Recommend graduating Apache Bean-Validation (BVAL) as a TLP

2012-01-08 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Mark Struberg wrote: > For better readability, the Resolution text is also available in our WIKI [2] > > Please VOTE on recommending BVAL as a TLP > > [+1] graduate BVAL as a TLP > > [+0] don't care > > [-1] nope, because (fill in) -1 (sorry) http://incubator.apac

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-08 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > c) graduate them, but with some conditions. Apache already fixes inquorate (too small) TLPs (by moving to attic or rebooting). Dead TLPs are discovered by the board when no report is submitted. The problem for the IPMC is understanding

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2012-01-08 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: >> 2008-01-06 RAT > > S: Looking to graduate but stuck with (self-inflicted?) bureacracy. > R: Push to graduate within Q1. Rat is stalled on trademarks Robert - To unsubs

Re: Can (Podling) Projects collect funds through certification programs?

2011-12-13 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > Further to Ians reply, I have a couple of comments inline... > > On 13 December 2011 10:23, seba.wag...@gmail.com > wrote: >> How does the ASF deal with requests from companies that would like to get a >> certificate as reseller of a softwa

Re: Simplifying repository permissions

2011-12-09 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 3:22 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > Hi, > > If no one lodges a formal objection within the next 48 hours, I'll claim lazy > consensus and ask Infra to follow through with setting "@committers = rw" for > svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/lucy. Thanks for pushing this forward

Re: Feedback on updated NOTICE and LICENSE files (was: [VOTE] Release Kafka 0.7.0-incubating)

2011-12-02 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:55 AM, sebb wrote: > On 2 December 2011 09:33, Jukka Zitting wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:32 AM, Jakob Homan wrote: >>>   You appear to have generated your list of jars from looking at >>> kafka-0.7.0-incubating.tar.gz, the binary distribution that has b

Re: Feedback on updated NOTICE and LICENSE files (was: [VOTE] Release Kafka 0.7.0-incubating)

2011-12-02 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Jun Rao wrote: > Does Apache has tools (like rat) to extract all the needed license? Digging > out the license manually is both labour intensive and error prone. The rat community has started working on whisker[1] (and some other tools) but we really need more vol

Re: [POLL] Suitable Name Search: Drop Or Retain?

2011-12-01 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Prescott Nasser wrote: > Completely agree , if there is a rule list I dont think this needs to be on > it, this is more a best practice imo Best practices tend to become the rule Robert - To uns

Re: [POLL] Suitable Name Search: Drop Or Retain?

2011-12-01 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Prescott Nasser wrote: > Hey Robert, its not clear to me why a suitable name search should be dropped > - is that because the brand team will do this search on a projects behalf? This seems likely to me But this is a POLL. Each option has advantages and disadvan

Re: [POLL] Suitable Name Search: Drop Or Retain?

2011-11-30 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > +1 (Oops, I didn't explain very well) With a POLL, you need to pick one of the option. Robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For

Re: [policy] release vetoes?

2011-11-29 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:04 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: > On 11/29/2011 2:14 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: >> >> >> I've been wondering whether F2F meetups (bootcamps) for the incubator >> might be a way forward > > > Every retreat I've a

Re: [policy] release vetoes?

2011-11-29 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:29 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: > On 11/29/2011 9:52 AM, sebb wrote: >>> >>> >>> http://httpd.apache.org/dev/release.html was just recently revised by >>> Roy Fielding (ASF Director and founding officer) based on some nonsense >>> back-channel complaints, and might be w

Re: NOTICE file must be minimal (was: [VOTE] Release Kafka 0.7.0-incubating)

2011-11-29 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:38 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: > On 11/29/2011 11:30 AM, sebb wrote: >> >> On 29 November 2011 16:59, Robert Burrell Donkin >>  wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz >>>  wrote: >

Re: NOTICE file must be minimal (was: [VOTE] Release Kafka 0.7.0-incubating)

2011-11-29 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:52 PM, sebb wrote: > Are there any consequences for downstream users if the file is incorrect? > > Are there any consequences for the ASF? Depends but potentially in some cases, yes. Robert - To unsub

Re: NOTICE file must be minimal (was: [VOTE] Release Kafka 0.7.0-incubating)

2011-11-29 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Monday, November 28, 2011, Alan D. Cabrera > wrote: > > ... It is not a requirement that the NOTICE file be minimal. Let's worry > about this for the 0.7.x or 0.8.0 release > > It think it *is* a requirement, according to > http:

[POLL] Suitable Name Search: Drop Or Retain?

2011-11-29 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
There has been concerns expressed about accumulation of rules without pruning. In that spirit, I'd like to find out whether the community feels that dropping the rule would be better than revising it into something workable. The current check [1] is outdated (for example, www.nameprotect.com) and

Re: [IP CLEARANCE] Apache Geronimo 2.2 Dependency Upgrades

2011-11-29 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Kevan Miller wrote: > The Apache Geronimo project has received a contribution which updates a > number of Geronimo dependencies and associated code updates. > > The code contributions have been attached to > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-6217 >

Re: Rebooting the Incubator? (was: Does Apache Have a 'Rule' Problem...)

2011-11-27 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Benson Margulies > wrote: >> ...Let's see if we can find a small group of members of the IPMC who are, >> in fact, willing to take seriously the task of supervision > > There is such a group alread

Re: concerns about high overhead in Apache incubator releases

2011-11-27 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: >> From: Robert Burrell Donkin >> Any legal issue serious enough to VETO a release would require code >> access to be blocked and all discussions taken private. Anything short >> of this isn't a VETO. > >

Re: concerns about high overhead in Apache incubator releases

2011-11-27 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Jun Rao wrote: > Dear Apache members, > > Over the past 2 months, the Kafka Apache incubator project has been trying > to release its very first version in Apache. After 7 RCs, we are still not > done. Part of this is because most of us are new to the Apache releas

Re: concerns about high overhead in Apache incubator releases

2011-11-27 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > On Nov 27, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >>> From: Jun Rao >>> To: general@incubator.apache.org >>> Cc: kafka-...@incubator.apache.org >>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 2:13

Re: concerns about high overhead in Apache incubator releases

2011-11-27 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > > > > > - Original Message - >> From: Jun Rao >> To: general@incubator.apache.org >> Cc: kafka-...@incubator.apache.org >> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 2:13 PM >> Subject: concerns about high overhead in Apache incubator releases >

Re: Does Apache Have a 'Rule' Problem, or does the Incubator sometimes just make it look that way?

2011-11-27 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > Christian, > > Your proposals read to me as an elaboration and extension of some of > the things I wrote. I think that Joe S's reaction to me, insofar as I > understand it, makes some sense. > > Let's see if we can find a small group of me

Re: Does Apache Have a 'Rule' Problem, or does the Incubator sometimes just make it look that way?

2011-11-27 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 9:38 AM, ant elder wrote: > I do acknowledge that it can be really > hard to get some things changed and you may need a thick skin and lots > of perseverance. But lets try to demonstrate its possible - Christian > tell us three things you'd like changed and we'll pick one

Re: Does Apache Have a 'Rule' Problem, or does the Incubator sometimes just make it look that way?

2011-11-26 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin > wrote: >>> +1 >>> And while we are at it, reduce Roles and Rules to a minimum. >> >> Pruning is always useful but when the Incubator ra

Re: Does Apache Have a 'Rule' Problem, or does the Incubator sometimes just make it look that way?

2011-11-26 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz > wrote: >> On Thursday, November 24, 2011, Benson Margulies wrote: >> >>> ...Someone poses a question about NOTICE files, or IP, or release >> structure. >> >>> If they are lucky, t

[jira] [Updated] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1) Establish whether "Apache Rat" is a suitable name

2011-11-22 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Updated) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Robert Burrell Donkin updated PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1: -- Description: The Rat podling brought together aRat and

Re: should podlings have informal chairs?

2011-11-22 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin > wrote: >> >> soft time limits (sign off copyright within 3 >> months or expect IPMC scrutiny) would probably be useful, I think. > > +1 I think we might be

[Podling Suitable Name Search] Feedback Please

2011-11-22 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
I've setup a JIRA project [1] and worked through[2] an outline process[3] for "rat". I plan to head over to the trademarks team and get feedback + interpretation sometime soon. So now would be a good opportunity to jump in with improvements (documentation and process) and objections. Please feel

Re: should podlings have informal chairs?

2011-11-22 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > But I think you mentioned something important, the fuzzy benchmarks. There > are some we can make more critical, like: sign copyright stuff within > 3 months or leave. Something like that. Legal stuff isn't always clear cut (Sam's f

[jira] [Updated] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1) Establish whether "Apache Rat" is a suitable name

2011-11-22 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Updated) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Robert Burrell Donkin updated PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1: -- Evidence Of Use On World Wide Web: Searched for &quo

Re: should podlings have informal chairs?

2011-11-22 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:05 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: >>>... We should be reporting to the board about OUR work, not the work of >>> the podlings.  Podlings should only be brought in

Re: should podlings have informal chairs?

2011-11-21 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Brett Porter wrote: > Hi, > > Some time back we moved to having 3 mentors, which had the positive of more > hands and enough binding votes, but the downside of no single person "on the > hook" for a podling's reporting and progress towards graduation. > > Should

Re: mixed line-endings with generated data

2011-11-19 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 4:27 AM, David Crossley wrote: > sebb wrote: >> >> Even if the problem is fixed for some or all systems, I suggest we >> keep the target so it can be invoked directly. >> i.e. the target that does the work should be unconditional; it can be >> called via a conditional targe

[jira] [Updated] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1) Establish whether "Apache Rat" is a suitable name

2011-11-18 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Updated) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Robert Burrell Donkin updated PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1: -- Evidence Of Registration: Searched for "Rat&quo

[jira] [Commented] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-2) Establish whether "Apache Kafka" is a suitable name

2011-11-18 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Commented) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-2?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=13153098#comment-13153098 ] Robert Burrell Donkin commented on PODLINGNAMESEAR

[jira] [Commented] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-3) Establish whether "Apache Accumulo" is a suitable name

2011-11-18 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Commented) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-3?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=13153097#comment-13153097 ] Robert Burrell Donkin commented on PODLINGNAMESEAR

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-18 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 6:23 AM, Henri Yandell wrote: > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: >>> >>> We are, however, recognizing that we've had growth issues of our own.  As >>> David Crossley pointed out, he made mistakes

[jira] [Commented] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1) Establish whether "Apache Rat" is a suitable name

2011-11-17 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Commented) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=13152195#comment-13152195 ] Robert Burrell Donkin commented on PODLINGNAMESEAR

[jira] [Updated] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1) Establish whether "Apache Rat" is a suitable name

2011-11-17 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Updated) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Robert Burrell Donkin updated PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1: -- Evidence Of Open Source Adoption: Searched for &quo

[jira] [Updated] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1) Establish whether "Apache Rat" is a suitable name

2011-11-17 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Updated) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Robert Burrell Donkin updated PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1: -- Evidence Of Open Source Adoption: Searched for &quo

[jira] [Updated] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1) Establish whether "Apache Rat" is a suitable name

2011-11-17 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Updated) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Robert Burrell Donkin updated PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1: -- Evidence Of Open Source Adoption: Searched for &quo

[jira] [Updated] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1) Establish whether "Apache Rat" is a suitable name

2011-11-17 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Updated) (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Robert Burrell Donkin updated PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1: -- Evidence Of Open Source Adoption: Searched for &quo

[jira] [Created] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-1) Establish whether "Apache Rat" is a suitable name

2011-11-17 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin (Created) (JIRA)
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Re: Suitable Names Search [WAS Re: Trademark Kill Searches...]

2011-11-17 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote: > +1 to the JIRA project and the notifications coming here.  Thanks for > driving this one! I've done some customisation on PODLINGNAMESEARCH[1] (Hopefully Noel will forgive me for assigning him as project lead without asking first; just seeme

Re: Suitable Names Search [WAS Re: Trademark Kill Searches...]

2011-11-17 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin > wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Unless anyone jumps in soon, I'll

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-17 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:40 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din > wrote: >> Hi... >> >>   The idea sounds good in general more specifically that should be clear >> and documented on the incubator site for future incubating projects. But, >> IMHO, we should

Re: Latest copyright sign-off status [Was: Podlings needing copyright sign-off]

2011-11-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 12:14 AM, Henri Yandell wrote: > > > >> 2009-02-09  kato > > I'm comfortable that this is safe enough copyright-wise. I would > prefer the podling community to do the checki

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