Re: [VOTE] Graduate Calcite from the Apache Incubator

2015-09-15 Thread Steven Noels
On Tue, Sep 15, 2015, at 03:56 AM, Julian Hyde wrote: > This is a vote for Calcite to become a top-level project. > > Since joining the Incubator in May, 2014, the Calcite > community has: > * Produced eight IPMC-approved releases under two release > managers; > * Added five new committers and

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Calcite 0.9.2 (incubating)

2014-11-09 Thread Steven Noels
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014, at 05:57 AM, Julian Hyde wrote: > Hi all, > > The Calcite community has voted on and approved a proposal to release > Apache Calcite 0.9.2 (incubating). > > Proposal: > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-calcite-dev/201411.mbox/%3CCAMCtme%2BV1wG%3Dqzsht_15p1-

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Calcite 0.9.1 (incubating)

2014-10-13 Thread Steven Noels
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014, at 12:51 PM, Julian Hyde wrote: > Hi all, > > The Calcite community has voted on and approved a proposal to release > Apache Calcite 0.9.1 (incubating). > > This will be the second release since the project entered incubation in > May 2014 as Optiq, and the first under the ne

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Optiq 0.9.0 (incubating)

2014-08-24 Thread Steven Noels
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014, at 12:34 AM, Julian Hyde wrote: > Hi all, > > The Optiq community has voted on and approved a proposal to release > Apache Optiq 0.9.0 (incubating). This would be the first release of the > Apache Optiq project inside the Incubator. > > Pursuant to the Releases section of t

Re: [PROPOSAL] Optiq

2014-05-02 Thread Steven Noels
On Wed, Apr 30, 2014, at 03:21 PM, Ashutosh Chauhan wrote: > I would like to propose Optiq as an Apache Incubator project. I have > posted the proposal to https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OptiqProposal > and > posted the text of the proposal below. > > Ashutosh. Given the importance of Optiq f

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Phoenix from the Incubator

2014-05-01 Thread Steven Noels
On Wed, Apr 30, 2014, at 10:44 PM, James Taylor wrote: > Hi everyone, > > The Apache Phoenix podling has has discussed and voted to graduate from > the > incubator with 22 +1 votes, 5 of which were IPMC vote [1]. We've made > three > releases, increased our contributor and committer list [2], and

Re: [VOTE] Release of Apache Phoenix 4.0.0 incubating RC3

2014-04-03 Thread Steven Noels
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014, at 08:53 AM, Stack wrote: > +1 > > (Promoting my phoenix dev list +1 here) +1 (ditto) Keep up the great work. Steven. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional comm

Re: [VOTE] Release of Apache Phoenix 3.0.0 incubating RC3

2014-04-03 Thread Steven Noels
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014, at 10:40 PM, James Taylor wrote: > Vote will be open for at least 72 hours. Please vote: > > [ ] +1 approve > [ ] +0 no opinion > [ ] -1 disapprove (and reason why) +1 (binding) Doing great, Phoenix team! Steven.

Re: January 2014 Incubator report timeline

2014-01-08 Thread Steven Noels
Marvin, same here - my user name for the Incubator Wiki is StevenNoels Thanks! Steven. On Wed, Jan 8, 2014, at 03:38 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 11:30 PM, lars hofhansl wrote: > > Belated +1 from me as well. > > Thanks, I've added it. > > For future reference, what's

Re: [VOTE] Phoenix for incubator project

2013-12-09 Thread Steven Noels
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Stack wrote: Discussion of the Phoenix proposal has settled since its original > posting on November 7th. Feedback has been incorporated. > > Let us now move to a vote. > > Should Phoenix become an Apache incubator project? > > [] +1 Accept Phoenix into the Incub

Re: [PROPOSAL] Phoenix for Incubation

2013-11-14 Thread Steven Noels
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:43 PM, James Taylor wrote: > Hi All, > > We're pleased to share a draft ASF incubation proposal for Phoenix, a > SQL layer over HBase, initially developed at Salesforce.com and > subsequently open sourced on github > (https://github.com/forcedotcom/phoenix). Instead of us

Re: [VOTE] KabukiProposal

2006-01-24 Thread Steven Noels
ntext. -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought Open Source Java & XML stevenn at outerthought.orgstevenn at apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mai

Re: Corporations and the incubator

2005-12-25 Thread Steven Noels
And they do -- their software :) Sorry to say, but: big deal. Compare that with the value of the ASF brand for the donating entity. Lines of code are a side-effect of developer team-work, and it's much more difficult to grow a team and a brand than to actually code

Re: Is the incubator out of control?

2005-12-22 Thread Steven Noels
too soon. That way, we'll burn out rather than fade away. :) -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought Open Source Java & XML stevenn at outerthought.org

Re: storing documentation in Subversion

2005-12-20 Thread Steven Noels
ng innovation? -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought Open Source Java & XML stevenn at outerthought.orgstevenn at apache.org - To

Re: Recent Incubator proposals ( was Re: a few steps before approving a project)

2005-09-02 Thread Steven Noels
On 02 Sep 2005, at 06:53, Davanum Srinivas wrote: Why is it just us catching the flak? Because we feel you're one of us, rather than one of "them". Look at it as a token of ultimate appreciation. -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.or

Re: a few steps before approving a project

2005-09-01 Thread Steven Noels
in their fiefdom. Someone should triple-check that a project consists of people rather than industry consortia players. -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought Open Source Java & XML stevenn at outerthought

Re: [VOTE] Apollo, Hermes, Muse

2005-05-31 Thread Steven Noels
-- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java & XMLAn Orixo Member Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn at outerthought.orgstevenn at apache

Re: VOTE: graduate Nutch to Lucene

2005-05-20 Thread Steven Noels
On 18 May 2005, at 18:10, Doug Cutting wrote: I believe that Nutch has met all of the requirements for graduation. Nutch has an active, diverse developer community. The Lucene PMC has voted to accept Nutch. +1 -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought

Re: PROPOSAL : Apache Harmony - J2SE 5 Project

2005-05-09 Thread Steven Noels
On 07 May 2005, at 00:51, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Dear Incubator PMC : We, the sponsoring members listed below, ask that you accept the following proposal for a new project at Apache, an effort centered around architecting and implementing J2SE 5. +1 -- Steven Noels

Re: [VOTE] Graduating log4cxx

2005-01-06 Thread Steven Noels
committers. However, I feel that even a cursory look at the log4cxx mailing lists, in particular the quality of the exchanges held there, should alleviate some of Noel's those fears. +1 from me as well (slacking because of holiday season) -- Steven Noels

Re: [VOTE] Nutch

2005-01-06 Thread Steven Noels
On 05 Jan 2005, at 08:08, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Doug proposed this a week and change ago (bad timing to do such things around major holidays :-)). So far we have support from Dain, Nicola Ken, Doug, Eric Hatcher, Henning, Roy and myself. +1 here as well -- Steven Noels

Re: [OT] How to prevent abusing Apache priviliges

2004-10-18 Thread Steven Noels
a non-public mailing list, and I'm sure anyone on that list is ready & willing to address case-by-case issues. -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java & XMLAn Orixo Member Read my weblog athttp://b

Re: [OT] How to prevent abusing Apache priviliges

2004-10-18 Thread Steven Noels
On 18 Oct 2004, at 02:19, thorsten wrote: Steven Noels wrote: Nope. What Thorsten describes looks pretty bad IMO, so I want to know what is going on. Otherwise, this shouldn't have been posted at all. No need to keep the dust under the carpet. And if Thorsten doesn't want to go publ

Re: [OT] How to prevent abusing Apache priviliges

2004-10-17 Thread Steven Noels
past. I hope my contributions to this thread are not misinterpreted. I don't think so and they are appreciated. But I'm not sure this will lead us anywhere if Thorsten doesn't speak factually. I've quite had it with the amount of FUD mails making waves on various Apache lists

Re: [OT] How to prevent abusing Apache priviliges

2004-10-17 Thread Steven Noels
lost and wondering what you are _really_ talking about. Speak freely and your voice will be heard. We're all here to learn. (and imagine yourself being an outsider reading this thread: how would you read it? what would you think of the incubator, or the ASF as a whole?) --

Re: [OT] How to prevent abusing Apache priviliges

2004-10-15 Thread Steven Noels
ously: how would such "power" lay in the hands of mentors? Isn't someone supposed to disregard such pushy politics, whatever their origin is? But first and foremost, I'd like to know if and where this has been happening - because you seem to suggest so. -- Steven Noels

Re: Request for graduation and promotion to TLP

2004-09-20 Thread Steven Noels
7;s only a few (2?) of the independent PMC members who are demonstrating continued involvement with the project. Aren't there any other candidate committers to be on the PMC? Aah - a flurry of new folks being (self-)proposed on the lists. ;-) -- Steven Noelsht

Re: Request for graduation and promotion to TLP

2004-09-20 Thread Steven Noels
pects. I'm still a bit doubtful whether "functional" apps are suited for ASF adoption (I have a personal preference towards spec implementations, libraries and frameworks), but I guess only Darwin has the final say about this. -- Steven Noelshttp://o

Re: Derby code copyright question

2004-09-17 Thread Steven Noels
;situation" with the Cocoon fork of Rhino of mozilla.org. http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=236108 -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java & XMLAn Orixo Member Read my weblog athttp://blogs.co

Re: [VOTE] Accept iBATIS for Incubation

2004-08-29 Thread Steven Noels
On 23 Aug 2004, at 06:52, Clinton Begin wrote: [ ] Accept iBATIS into the Incubator (late) +1 -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java & XMLAn Orixo Member Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/ste

Re: Making Daffodil Replicator an Open Source : Suggestion

2004-08-18 Thread Steven Noels
ich might help you to recruit some sponsors and/or interested developers. HTH, -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java & XMLAn Orixo Member Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/steven

Re: Making Daffodil Replicator an Open Source : Suggestion

2004-08-18 Thread Steven Noels
On 18 Aug 2004, at 06:31, Simon Kitching wrote: To members of the incubator PMC: now would be a good time to speak up if you disagree with anything I've said! No way: you're doing perfectly fine. Thanks! -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthou

Re: [VOTE] Lenya exiting incubation

2004-07-23 Thread Steven Noels
ting-eager than what we have seen in the past. -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java & XMLAn Orixo Member Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn at outerthought.org

Re: several messages

2004-07-23 Thread Steven Noels
good intersection of ASF folks dealing with incubation directly, rather than reasoning about incubation rules in general. -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java & XMLAn Orixo Member Read my weblog athttp://bl

Re: Personal attacks and respect

2004-07-08 Thread Steven Noels
On 09 Jul 2004, at 03:44, David Blevins wrote: I really don't want to get caught in the cross-fire, but...you could call each other up and talk/yell this out on the phone and get the argument over quickly. +1, but some people just *need* the audience, alas. ;-) (now i'm really gone)

Re: Personal attacks and respect

2004-07-08 Thread Steven Noels
many of the actors would stay on stage. The funniest things happen when people take themselves too seriously. (I'm a few hours away from going on holidays, so bear my poetic tendencies ATM.) -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java

Re: Personal attacks and respect

2004-07-08 Thread Steven Noels
at a good portion of the inhabitants of this list doesn't care much about who is going to "win" this flamefest. At least I am not, and I can imagine that neither general@ nor [EMAIL PROTECTED] are to be bothered with thread fallout debris like this. It ain't fun nor educ

Re: [VOTE] Graduate XMLBeans from Incubator and recommend as top-level project

2004-06-18 Thread Steven Noels
On 19 Jun 2004, at 03:59, Cliff Schmidt wrote: [X] +1 - The XMLBeans project has met the requirements for incubation and will be recommended to the board for TLP status -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java &

Re: [VOTE] Lenya 1.2 incubation distribution

2004-06-18 Thread Steven Noels
On 17 Jun 2004, at 21:11, Noel J. Bergman wrote: [X] Yes, allow Lenya to put out a clearly marked incubation distribution -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java & XMLAn Orixo Member Read my weblog at

Re: The 50% Rule (was RE: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release)

2004-06-15 Thread Steven Noels
On 14 Jun 2004, at 23:07, Cliff Schmidt wrote: Personally, I'd like to see one or two quantitative rules (such as one about independent committers to allow for vetoes) IMHO, that would be a requirement for projects prior to *entering* the incubator. -- Steven

Re: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release

2004-06-14 Thread Steven Noels
our subtle hint and agree with what you say about yourself. ;-) Frankly: it is because of this apparent shift in attitude that I'm feeling Lenya is finally getting ready. -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java & XMLA

Re: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release

2004-06-14 Thread Steven Noels
xying back- and forward, and this becomes very boring after a while - at the verge of starting to think people are dispassionate about incubation status. Sorry, -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java & XMLAn Orixo Membe

Re: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release

2004-06-14 Thread Steven Noels
On 14 Jun 2004, at 12:02, Michael Wechner wrote: Steven Noels wrote: Lenya has an awkward history IMHO. It has been force-fed into the bowls of the ASF upon the idea that a community was more important than code, and because of pet-peeves of people: the ASF needed a CMS project, and Lenya would

Re: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release

2004-06-14 Thread Steven Noels
gonal reasonings into a single mail. Let me try to clarify my position so that we can move on. Fair warning: this message is likely to come across as harsh. That is NOT directed at you. No worries, mate. I've been through worse, and I know you have good intentions. ;-) Steven Noels wro

Re: [REQUEST] Lenya 1.2 release endorsement and approval

2004-06-12 Thread Steven Noels
On 12 Jun 2004, at 11:04, Rolf Kulemann wrote: Hello Lenya Mentors and Incubators, the Lenya community wants to perform a release (while being under incubation). +1 on the release -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java &

Re: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release

2004-06-11 Thread Steven Noels
e more external contributors to help them with this effort. -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java & XMLAn Orixo Member Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn at outerthought.org

Fwd: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release

2004-06-11 Thread Steven Noels
ear. This shows (to me) that Lenya is becoming independent from Wyona, and is a much clearer indication of meeting incubation exit criteria than counting committers beans. -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java & XMLA

Re: Overall status of incubating projects

2004-06-04 Thread Steven Noels
On 31 May 2004, at 13:15, Berin Lautenbach wrote: This started off from a comment from Noel, but I'd also be kinda interested in whether any of these projects can be graduated and/or shut down? Even more interestingly, we should put the incubation start date next to this. -- Steven

Re: [PROPOSAL] Beehive

2004-05-17 Thread Steven Noels
a PPMC composed of these two Apache members, the other Beehive committers, and any Incubator PMC member who is interested in helping guide the project. I'll be looking from the side as I do with XMLBeans. -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open S

Re: donation of project

2004-01-09 Thread Steven Noels
with what intentions, and your ambitions towards incubation? More people than this incubator list need to know your stuff exists before a community may eventually form. -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java & XMLAn Ori

Re: [VOTE] Official Name for "Geronimo" Project

2003-12-03 Thread Steven Noels
erces." [ runs quickly away to put another coat of paint on the bikeshed ] LOL (sorry for that) I was thinking I was just reading a longish mailing list thread - but this is becoming a Go game, actually. A pity there's only two colors in that. -- Steven Noels

Re: Approval for Lenya Release

2003-11-21 Thread Steven Noels
bly backed/vetoed by interested Incubator/receiving PMC peeps, should be enough as a 'formalization' of the process. WDYT? -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java & XMLAn Orixo Member Read my weblog at

Re: Exit Criteria

2003-09-23 Thread Steven Noels
e-cases and business customer requirements are hard to fit into a design that appeals to framework and tools geeks, since they are bound to have a different view on the design of such apps, partly due to the NIH-syndrome, but also because business customer-facing design decisions are largely ar

Re: Another cut at roles and responsibilities

2003-09-23 Thread Steven Noels
omeone who helps out everywhere, but has no *formal* responsibility. It's a read well-worth it. Congratulations, Stephen and Berin. I'm slowly starting to believe in this concept. -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java &

Re: Another cut at roles and responsibilities

2003-09-23 Thread Steven Noels
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: It's about having an "elder" shepherd mentoring the main shepherd, and possibly requiring at least two people helping in Incubation. What do others think about this? Over-regulation. -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.or

Re: Exit Criteria

2003-09-23 Thread Steven Noels
ondering if Cocoon is the right place for them, as I've not seen much involvment. I'll wait and see, but for now I would not vote for exit as there is not much integration. As a member of the Cocoon, or Incubator PMC? -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Ou

Re: Exit Criteria

2003-09-23 Thread Steven Noels
ys is that candidate podlings should carefully consider whether they are an infrastructural/technological framework, or a functional/user-use-case application. I believe the ASF has better nurturing grounds for the former, rather than the latter. -- Steven Noelshttp://outert

Re: Exit Criteria

2003-09-23 Thread Steven Noels
I read you correct in saying that the receiving PMC has no chance anymore to declare an incubation failed, if the Incubator PMC says the contrary? In that case (and I hope I'm wrong), why is the receiving PMC involved then? -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Oute

Re: [PROPOSAL] PMC Vote to incubate Directory Project

2003-09-22 Thread Steven Noels
ia, though, since somewhere in time, we will be expected to judge the incubation state of Lenya. -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java & XMLAn Orixo Member Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/steve

Re: ASF member role - accountable to whom

2003-09-21 Thread Steven Noels
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: On Sunday, Sep 21, 2003, at 08:18 Europe/Rome, Steven Noels wrote: ... but not every PMC chair is a member (i.e. myself). Things can get quite funny, that way. It seems like there's some cracks in the Matrix. It might look, admittedly, strange that an ASF officer i

Re: ASF member role - accountable to whom

2003-09-20 Thread Steven Noels
Beans through then. Nice to know! (which, BTW, doesn't say I'm unhappy with the people involved in the current XMLBeans incubation - quite the contrary) -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java & XMLAn Orixo Membe

Re: ASF member role - accountable to whom

2003-09-20 Thread Steven Noels
seems like there's some cracks in the Matrix. -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java & XMLAn Orixo Member Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn at outerthought.orgs

Re: ASF member role - accountable to whom

2003-09-20 Thread Steven Noels
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Steven Noels wrote: I just want to say that this requirement of sponsors which should be members was totally unclear to me when I started talking and working with the BEA peeps (Cliff Schmidt). So even if this was meant to be by design, it wasn't very obvious

Re: [PROPOSAL] PMC Vote to incubate Directory Project

2003-09-20 Thread Steven Noels
ted in Lenya's incubation, please don't forget that some people don't spend much energy on the public visibility of their actions. Oh BTW: the people (aka sponsors) that brought Lenya to ASF are Stefano & Nicola, IIRC. That was before all this incubation

Re: ASF member role - accountable to whom

2003-09-20 Thread Steven Noels
time, something which I greatly appreciated. Still, if I would have known this before, I might have been looking for a sponsor sooner. -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java & XMLAn Orixo Member Read my weblog at

Re: AW: We want to donate a XML / Cocoon / EJB / WebStart - basedCMS

2003-08-28 Thread Steven Noels
Sascha-Matthias Kulawik wrote: No, it is also in our interest, you're right :) It is a little bit of "we want to give the community something back", something of "reputation", some interest of good ideas of other developers and so on. The primary work area for incubating ASF projects should be the

Re: policy question

2003-08-20 Thread Steven Noels
James Strachan wrote: Though there's no reason, given some hardware and a volunteer, why we couldn't install JIRA at Apache. +1 -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog at

Re: A very draft charter for the Incubator:K@N@!:

2003-08-02 Thread Steven Noels
On 1/08/2003 10:32 Berin Lautenbach wrote: Have taken the xml charter and hacked around a bit. There is a lot more required, but I reckon it's a fair starting point. http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?IncubatorCharterDraft Thanks for a brilliant starting point. -- Steven

Re: request to accept new project: wsrp4j:K@N@!:

2003-08-02 Thread Steven Noels
to.jar file a Show Stopper for Charon? - If it is a show-stopper, how come it is ok for jetspeed-2 to have this dependency? Out of curiosity: what's the specific problem with pluto.jar? Who is still discussing stuff with lawyers (IIUC)? -- Steven Noelshttp:

Re: request to accept new project: wsrp4j

2003-08-01 Thread Steven Noels
to.jar file a Show Stopper for Charon? - If it is a show-stopper, how come it is ok for jetspeed-2 to have this dependency? Out of curiosity: what's the specific problem with pluto.jar? Who is still discussing stuff with lawyers (IIUC)? -- Steven Noelshttp:

Re: A very draft charter for the Incubator

2003-08-01 Thread Steven Noels
On 1/08/2003 10:32 Berin Lautenbach wrote: Have taken the xml charter and hacked around a bit. There is a lot more required, but I reckon it's a fair starting point. http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?IncubatorCharterDraft Thanks for a brilliant starting point. -- Steven

Re: Invitation to xmlbeans-dev

2003-07-31 Thread Steven Noels
feelings) rest my case. Stil do expect me popping up on the list addressing the issues I had in mind when inviting myself, of course. Cheers! -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center Read my weblo

Re: Invitation to xmlbeans-dev

2003-07-31 Thread Steven Noels
On 31/07/2003 22:39 Ted Leung wrote: On 7/31/2003 1:34 PM, Steven Noels wrote: I (joyfully and without bad feelings) rest my case. Stil do expect me popping up on the list addressing the issues I had in mind when inviting myself, of course. You are always welcome to do so. After all, the XML

Re: Invitation to xmlbeans-dev

2003-07-30 Thread Steven Noels
ipate in discussions, and can cast real votes, even can become member of our PMC. I know I'm freaking out people describing such a hideous situation, but it works rather well over there. ;-) -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, J

Re: Invitation to xmlbeans-dev

2003-07-30 Thread Steven Noels
ck on how the project is incubating, and to help on community aspects. In this respect, I respectfully ask to become part of the initial group of committers. -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Cente

Re: [VOTE] Policy for incubating project resources (was Re: xmlbeansproject )

2003-07-30 Thread Steven Noels
tches if you see something that needs changing. The fastest way to get commit to *any* ASF project is to post so many patches to the development list that the committers can't keep up and eventually just give you direct access. :) I'm fully aware of all that. I'm not a

Re: [VOTE] Policy for incubating project resources (was Re: xmlbeansproject )

2003-07-30 Thread Steven Noels
bator PMC is responsible for doing any actual incubation work, except for setting out the guidelines. Pardon me, but if they fail in doing that, and in the mean time prove to be counterproductive by shielding away documents from people who are actually helping incubati

Re: [VOTE] Policy for incubating project resources (was Re: xmlbeans project )

2003-07-30 Thread Steven Noels
ng to that location, unless others have different opinions. 'There', 'that'...? Could you elaborate please? Where can it be found, then? -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Sup

Re: Discussion of Cocoon TLP Guidelines

2003-07-30 Thread Steven Noels
On 30/07/2003 0:13 Michael Wechner wrote: Steven Noels wrote: If it comes to (a) vote(s), anybody's opinion is appreciated, so please speak up. Binding votes about the Cocoon guidelines can be cast by Cocoon committers only - the original members of the 'founding' PMC tha

Re: [VOTE] Policy for incubating project resources (was Re: xmlbeansproject )

2003-07-29 Thread Steven Noels
On 29/07/2003 10:41 Berin Lautenbach wrote: Steven Noels wrote: and see to bring XMLBeans where people can actually help them out. Apart from Nicola's apparent efforts in keeping the Incubator alive, most of the real action is done by infrastructure peeps, and the dispersed shepher

Re: [VOTE] Policy for incubating project resources (was Re: xmlbeansproject )

2003-07-28 Thread Steven Noels
ive, most of the real action is done by infrastructure peeps, and the dispersed shepherds of incubating projects, most of them assumably under the umbrella of the XML/Jakarta PMC. Let's keep it that way, and keep the incubating projects close to an active PMC. -- Steven Noels

Re: Some sparse nots about changes to the incubation process

2003-07-10 Thread Steven Noels
VOTE, man. ;-) Other before me voted :-) That wasn't a vote, but fractional enthusiasm. :-) -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/steven

[vote] XMLBeans to enter XML incubation [was: Re: Vote for XMLBeansproposal in the XML Project (was RE: Vote for XMLBeans proposal)]

2003-07-08 Thread Steven Noels
as a form for this as well, but I cannot locate it anymore -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn at

Re: Some sparse notes about changes to the incubation process

2003-07-08 Thread Steven Noels
ted onto a single set of incubation- lists, I'm pretty sure people would be very quickly annoyed. Other than that: enthusiastic +0.75. -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog

Re: Vote for XMLBeans proposal

2003-07-07 Thread Steven Noels
LGPL Piccolo issue is resolved, it seems like we're heading somewhere. Attracting new committers is easier when the project is already under incubation. -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center

Re: Issues with XMLBeans proposal

2003-07-04 Thread Steven Noels
to migrate everything to Apache. Presumably in that time they are also getting used to Apache and can develop an understanding of where they feel their project fits best. Not jumping to any conclusion, I'm very happy to see a positive and constructive discussion happening. Thanks, all.

Re: basicPortal to incubator

2003-06-04 Thread Steven Noels
o the survival of the project after 'graduation'. Just my 0.02 EUR, if any Lenyatic wants to chime in, please do. -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog at

Re: basicPortal to incubator

2003-06-04 Thread Steven Noels
On 3/06/2003 18:26 Andrew C. Oliver wrote: You'll have to learn to walk the gauntlet of flames and survive of course, but I've no doubt you'll make it ;-) Ditto: your persistent care in communicating your course of actions is duly noted & very much appreciated

Re: [Vote] Paul Hammant on to PMC of Incubator.

2003-04-02 Thread Steven Noels
+1 -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn at outerthought.orgstevenn at apache

Re: [VOTE] Sam Ruby to join Incubator (was re: Website update)

2003-04-02 Thread Steven Noels
course. -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn at outerthought.orgstevenn at apache

Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Steven Noels
On 1/04/2003 22:03 Andrew C. Oliver wrote: I'm pleased to finally propose the SuperXMailer for Jakarta via the incubator. :-D Nice one! -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center Read my

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Release Tapestry to Jakarta

2003-03-13 Thread Steven Noels
=1606 is what should be changed in the LGPL, also read http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL PROTECTED]&msgNo=1429 for some further info. http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?Licensing summarizes most, if not fully up-to-date however. -- Steven Noels

Re: my non-participation is coming to an end

2003-03-11 Thread Steven Noels
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: i'll probably nudge this mailing list up to a nice respectable traffic volume with my unsolicited opinions and out-of-date clewless remarks. :-) looking forward to them :-) -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought -

Re: Proposal for Lenya

2003-02-25 Thread Steven Noels
community. This might be expedited by an attractive codebase with a sound architecture. Gee - there's a certain sense of Ruby-ism in this reply. :-D -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Cente

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject

2003-02-25 Thread Steven Noels
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Steven Noels wrote, On 25/02/2003 10.28: Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: As stated before, I'm sponsoring the proposal, so here's my +1. OTOH, who or what will trigger/endorse the transition from incubation to proper subproject? Cocoon PMC or Incubation PMC?

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject

2003-02-25 Thread Steven Noels
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: As stated before, I'm sponsoring the proposal, so here's my +1. OTOH, who or what will trigger/endorse the transition from incubation to proper subproject? Cocoon PMC or Incubation PMC? -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Ou

Re: Proposal for Lenya

2003-02-24 Thread Steven Noels
good community around it, so here is my (informal) +1 to this incubation, together with a personal commitment to follow closely this project and help wherever I can. I'm glad to see you jump up as well. -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open

Re: Proposal for Lenya

2003-02-22 Thread Steven Noels
e required reading if you want to learn more about Forrest (oh yes, there were times we had more docs than features in Forrest, since most of the Forrest committers really dig pointy brackets :-) Could you point us to a similar entry-level overview of Lenya? Or sitemaps we need

Re: Proposal for Lenya

2003-02-22 Thread Steven Noels
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: [extensive snipage] Steven Noels wrote: You know how I run communities and what are the things I value. Michael, who is the technical leader, resonates with my vision a lot and has been playing very nicely with Cocoon. Please, I don't see why you need to d

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