On 20 Sep 2004, at 12:29, Rolf Kulemann wrote:
I think Lenya has been making immense progress on the
community aspects. I'm still a bit doubtful whether "functional" apps
are suited for ASF adoption (I have a personal preference towards spec
implementations, libraries and frameworks), but I guess only Darwin has
the final say about this.
Interesting u say that. I also asked myself such questions. Lenya is indeed quite high level compared to typical ASF projects.
However I found Lenya as an ASF (incubator) CMS project.....
While this might have been the initial intention when the project brought to Apache, I think CMS is a head with many faces, and as such might fail to realize cross-implementation-community-cohesiveness apart from standardisation of some low-level APIs (WebDAV, JCR, etc). But even with these APIs, there's no reasonable guarantee against "data hijacking", in the sense that one would be able to mix-and-match the different tiers of a CMS project from a pool of available implementations, *without* having to go through extensive refactoring or data migration. There's no such loose coupling between UI, persistence and logic in the CMS world as compared to low-level abstraction layers like JDBC (!), and even though many products speak WebDAV, much of their functionality isn't exposed or accessible through that interface. But I'm a nihilist rather than a marketing person, of course.
So in my mind, the Lenya TLP is a project about Lenya, a CMS product/framework, rather than a broader community of CMS-interested folks @ Apache. That doesn't carry any connotation of underachievement of course - just a mere reality check with the rather vague and/or over-ambitious proposed mission:
RESOLVED, that the Lenya PMC be and hereby is responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to content management, based on software licensed to the Foundation;
Happily moving on from this debate, I still see a ratio of 5 out of 9 non-independent committers on the PMC. AAMOF, IMHO there's only a few (2?) of the independent PMC members who are demonstrating continued involvement with the project. Aren't there any other candidate committers to be on the PMC?
Aah - a flurry of new folks being (self-)proposed on the lists. ;-)
</Steven> -- Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java & XML An Orixo Member Read my weblog at http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
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