Andrew C. Oliver wrote, On 25/07/2003 14.05:
No this is difference than in the past. Remember the Incubator is here to
help and its OUR responsibility to incubate? Its sounding like the
incubator stands over and tells folks what to do not only in helpful ways
but in details too.
Responsible means responsible, nothing less, nothing more. Don't confuse responsibility with micro-management.
I am back from holidays so only lightly surfing the mail avalanche after being two weeks offline, but I'm slowly beginning to resonate with Andy's line of action.
Maybe they are bred on Andy's experiences during Tapestry's 'incubation', but given the fact Cliff/BEA/theXMLBeansPeeps are quite new to all this self-management and the Apache Way, and the fact that Nicola seems to be overly reluctant because of what happened/is still happening with Lenya (him being one of the main supporters of their incubation at that time), I would propose not to overregulate all this, and see to bring XMLBeans where people can actually help them out. Apart from Nicola's apparent efforts in keeping the Incubator alive, most of the real action is done by infrastructure peeps, and the dispersed shepherds of incubating projects, most of them assumably under the umbrella of the XML/Jakarta PMC. Let's keep it that way, and keep the incubating projects close to an active PMC.
</Steven> -- Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog at http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
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