On 30/07/2003 0:13 Michael Wechner wrote:

Steven Noels wrote:



If it comes to (a) vote(s), anybody's opinion is appreciated, so please speak up. Binding votes about the Cocoon guidelines can be cast by Cocoon committers only - the original members of the 'founding' PMC that is.


I guess that as long as Lenya is under incubation, Lenya committers won't be able to vote, right?

Which is fine with personally, but I think it's important to clarify what you mean by *original members of the 'founding' PMC*

the situation with xml.apache.org is that all committers can vote for new subproject proposals (and it needs a majority vote), and that PMC peeps get to vote on chapter changes IIUC


of course, we are setting everything up as we go along, and it's a bit of a chicken/egg problem: *we* should decide whether committers of incubating projects can cast binding votes in this matter, and if I state that such 'incubating' committers are allowed to vote on such a decision, well... I think the outcome would be pretty obvious ;-)

<aside type="pmc chair hat off">There's another thing about project incubation that kinda interests me: what happens upon incubation failure? To me, there's a difference between the people and the project involved. The subproject can fail, but committers of failed incubation projects can still stick around - even though committers are very much tied to (sub)projects. In this sense, I think any committer, even if this used to be for a now-failed incubating project, has been deemed worthy once to carry the Apache feathers, so he/she should be able to speak up on regulatory matters. Collaterally, since Lenya peeps are apache.org peeps with a particular interest in Cocoon, I wouldn't mind if they cast binding votes on the formation of the Cocoon charter.</aside>

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