[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Apr 4 23:50:36 2007

2007-04-04 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS: -*-indented-text-*- Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $] Web site: http://Incubator.Apache.Org/ Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ [note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki

Re: [Vote] RCF proposal (was: [Proposal] RCF - a rich component library for JSF)

2007-04-04 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On 4/3/07, Omar Tazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Based on a positive initial feedback we are calling a vote on the RCF contribution (see proposal below). [...] Please cast your votes. +1 BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscrib

Re: [Vote] RCF proposal (was: [Proposal] RCF - a rich component library for JSF)

2007-04-04 Thread Martin Marinschek
back to the votes: +1 (non-binding). regards, Martin On 4/4/07, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey guys, can we move these kind of discussions to a new thread? This was the original vote thread and it might be hard to keep track for those that wanna vote. Feel free to do ;-)

Re: [Proposal] RCF - a rich component library for JSF

2007-04-04 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
Hey Coach, sounds cool. You still can cast your vote ;-) Thx, Matthias On 4/5/07, Coach Wei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Matthias, Thanks for the explanation. It looks like highly possible to integrate XAP with RCF/Trinidad. I'll play with it and see how it goes. > -Original Message---

Re: discussion of release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-04 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Thursday 05 April 2007 05:08, Craig L Russell wrote: > I have a hard time understanding how a podling can consider itself   > ready for graduation without having anything worth sharing, and don't   > understand what the point is of having an audit of anything short of   > a build artifact. Assu

RE: [Proposal] RCF - a rich component library for JSF

2007-04-04 Thread Coach Wei
Hi Matthias, Thanks for the explanation. It looks like highly possible to integrate XAP with RCF/Trinidad. I'll play with it and see how it goes. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Matthias Wessendorf > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 20

Re: discussion of release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-04 Thread Eelco Hillenius
I have a hard time understanding how a podling can consider itself ready for graduation without having anything worth sharing, and don't understand what the point is of having an audit of anything short of a build artifact. Yes, that would be strange :) However, in the case of Wicket, we are tal

Re: discussion of release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-04 Thread Johan Compagner
IMHO the current process is fine but needs to be documented better. Podlings should be encouraged to release stuff that they think is usable outside their small world of developers who check out from svn and build from source. The incubator is set up to review and approve releases without passing

Re: [ApacheCon] who arrives when in Amsterdam

2007-04-04 Thread Johan Compagner
aargg wicket community is divided again! Amsterdam or The Hague, The Hague or Amsterdam! Utrecht is also pretty nice! ;) johan On 4/4/07, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It might be good to know that on 30th April, there is Queensday > (Dutch guys know how to celebrate... :)) It

Re: [ApacheCon] who arrives when in Amsterdam

2007-04-04 Thread Martin van den Bemt
And people who want to stay in Amsterdam can also party all night.. See http://www.koninginnedagamsterdam.nl/?en for more info (yeah, Amsterdam has an English page :) Mvgr, Martin Eelco Hillenius wrote: >> It might be good to know that on 30th April, there is Queensday >> (Dutch guys know how

Re: discussion of release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-04 Thread Craig L Russell
On Apr 4, 2007, at 1:54 PM, robert burrell donkin wrote: On 4/4/07, Thilo Goetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > Martijn Dashorst wrote: >> Also, the whole idea of the Incubator is to >> withhold releases from the general public. No, the idea of the incubator is to ma

Re: discussion of release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-04 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 4/4/07, Thilo Goetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > Martijn Dashorst wrote: >> Also, the whole idea of the Incubator is to >> withhold releases from the general public. > > Just to clarify - I don't think 'withhold' is a good description. > Release - but with no specif

Re: Incubator policy

2007-04-04 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 4/4/07, Craig L Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sorry, you are absolutely correct. +1 On Apr 4, 2007, at 10:04 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: > can we move these kind of discussions to a new thread? > This was the original vote thread and it might be hard to keep track > for tho

Re: [VOTE][HOTFIX] Approve the release of hotfix-1 for Apache UIMA 2.1.0-incubating

2007-04-04 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 4/3/07, Marshall Schor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We ask that you please vote to approve this "hotfix" release: [X] +1 Approve the release of the "hotfix" artifact: org.apache.uima.desceditor.2.1.0.incubating-hotfix-1.zip [ ] -1 Recommend against releasing at this time (identify issues you

Re: [ApacheCon] who arrives when in Amsterdam

2007-04-04 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
It might be a little bit too much flag waving for tourist, but in general if the weather is nice, it can be a fun day. Be warned though, Amsterdam will be *very* busy. I bet ! Also good to know for the people ariving the day before (or earlier) is that traditionally there is a big party the ni

[ApacheCon - session] Incubating Open Source Communities

2007-04-04 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
Hey, there is a session, called "Incubating Open Source Communities" by J. Aaron Farr. Is this a similar session, like we did in Austin? Or a *general* session on the Apache Incubator? (there is no link available on the website, therefore the mail...) Thx, Matthias -- Matthias Wessendorf http:

Re: [ApacheCon] who arrives when in Amsterdam

2007-04-04 Thread Eelco Hillenius
It might be good to know that on 30th April, there is Queensday (Dutch guys know how to celebrate... :)) It might be a little bit too much flag waving for tourist, but in general if the weather is nice, it can be a fun day. Be warned though, Amsterdam will be *very* busy. Also good to know for

[ApacheCon] who arrives when in Amsterdam

2007-04-04 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
Hi, when you are planing to come to ApacheCon EU, you might also add your name to this wiki page. It's possible to make car pools or share a cab. http://wiki.apache.org/apachecon/WhoArrivesWhen It might be good to know that on 30th April, there is Queensday (Dutch guys know how to celebrate...

Re: FtpServer mentor/commiter shortage

2007-04-04 Thread Niklas Gustavsson
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Wednesday 04 April 2007 03:33, Niklas Gustavsson wrote: Currently, there is only one active commiter (me) and no active mentors. This causes some issues with the project. As a way of promoting the project and possibly get more people interested in contributing, it's my b

Re: FtpServer mentor/commiter shortage

2007-04-04 Thread Niklas Gustavsson
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: It's a problem though, when there is only one committer on the code. I encourage you to approach both the Tomcat and Jakarta communities to attract some additional hackers! We (Incubator PMC) won't permit a release when there are fewer than three sets of eyeballs on t

Re: [VOTE] Ratify the release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On 4/4/07, Martijn Dashorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ...In order to graduate, a podling is required to build a release, if only it is a developer only release (take the harmony podling as an example)... Ok, I understand the intent better now, and I agree with it. ...What do you need for it

Re: FtpServer mentor/commiter shortage

2007-04-04 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Niklas Gustavsson wrote: > William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > >> (FYI - were I a Java fan - I'd be there for you :) Certainly not biased >> towards httpd-mod_ftp v.s. FtpServer - I think it's great that both are >> at the ASF. Strictly my own language-bias.) > > I have the same language-bias (or is

Re: [VOTE] Ratify the release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On 4/4/07, Niclas Hedhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ...Perhaps the Incubator should introduce a "Release Simulation Procedure" which EMULATES the real thing, a dry run, "run --verbose --no-output". I like the idea, making it clear the releases are cut in "simulation mode" would be good wh

Re: FtpServer mentor/commiter shortage

2007-04-04 Thread Niklas Gustavsson
Yoav Shapira wrote: On 4/4/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I strongly think that Tomcat is your best ally here - in the same way that Niklas, speaking with my Tomcat hat on, you're definitely welcome to join the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list and bounce your thoughts off t

Re: [VOTE] Ratify the release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On 4/4/07, Gwyn Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ...there's no reason to that the release candidate should be pulled immediately from the disk if there's a chance we might get valuable feedback from it... Agreed. But I thought (according to the thread subject) that you were looking for +1s to

Re: discussion of release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-04 Thread Thilo Goetz
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Martijn Dashorst wrote: Also, the whole idea of the Incubator is to withhold releases from the general public. Just to clarify - I don't think 'withhold' is a good description. Release - but with no specific expectation of persistence at the ASF is probably a bette

Re: FtpServer mentor/commiter shortage

2007-04-04 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, > On Wednesday 04 April 2007 03:33, Niklas Gustavsson wrote: >> Currently, there is only one active commiter (me) and no active mentors. >> This causes some issues with the project. As a way of promoting the >> project and possibly get more people interested in contributing, it's my >> belie

Re: FtpServer mentor/commiter shortage

2007-04-04 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Niclas Hedhman wrote: > On Wednesday 04 April 2007 03:33, Niklas Gustavsson wrote: >> Currently, there is only one active commiter (me) and no active mentors. >> This causes some issues with the project. As a way of promoting the >> project and possibly get more people interested in contributing, i

Re: Adding new committers process

2007-04-04 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Jean T. Anderson wrote: > > huh? The instructions [1] say "The project PMC needs to send an email to > root". It doesn't say the "project PMC chair". Since root can easily > verify pmc members from committee-info.txt [2], I don't see why any > member of the PMC cannot submit the request. Whoops :

Incubator policy

2007-04-04 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Matthias, Sorry, you are absolutely correct. Craig On Apr 4, 2007, at 10:04 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: Hey guys, can we move these kind of discussions to a new thread? This was the original vote thread and it might be hard to keep track for those that wanna vote. Feel free to do ;-)

Re: Adding new committers process

2007-04-04 Thread Craig L Russell
On Apr 4, 2007, at 10:03 AM, Jean T. Anderson wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Martin Ritchie wrote: Thanks for this discussion. So just to clarify, anyone on the PPMC can request the account/karma setup just the IPMC needs to be CC'd as well as the usual PPMC on the root email. infra

Re: Question about the PMC structure for graduating projects

2007-04-04 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Craig L Russell wrote: > > I'd suggest you have the discussion about the future composition of the > PMC as a group, using the dev list as a vehicle. You might find out that > there are committers who would like to take part in the PMC. I strongly suggest that you include all committers who have

Re: [Vote] RCF proposal (was: [Proposal] RCF - a rich component library for JSF)

2007-04-04 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
Hey guys, can we move these kind of discussions to a new thread? This was the original vote thread and it might be hard to keep track for those that wanna vote. Feel free to do ;-) CU in Amsterdam ;) -Matthias On 4/4/07, Craig L Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Apr 4, 2007, at 9:33 AM, N

Re: Adding new committers process

2007-04-04 Thread Jean T. Anderson
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > Martin Ritchie wrote: > >>Thanks for this discussion. So just to clarify, anyone on the PPMC can >>request the account/karma setup just the IPMC needs to be CC'd as well >>as the usual PPMC on the root email. > > infra only acknowledges requests from the PMC chair (

Re: discussion of release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-04 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Martijn Dashorst wrote: > Also, the whole idea of the Incubator is to > withhold releases from the general public. Just to clarify - I don't think 'withhold' is a good description. Release - but with no specific expectation of persistence at the ASF is probably a better description. E.g. "here's

Re: Adding new committers process

2007-04-04 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Martin Ritchie wrote: > > Thanks for this discussion. So just to clarify, anyone on the PPMC can > request the account/karma setup just the IPMC needs to be CC'd as well > as the usual PPMC on the root email. infra only acknowledges requests from the PMC chair (iPMC chair in this case). For proj

Re: [Vote] RCF proposal (was: [Proposal] RCF - a rich component library for JSF)

2007-04-04 Thread Craig L Russell
On Apr 4, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Wednesday 04 April 2007 23:58, Craig L Russell wrote: On Apr 3, 2007, at 8:43 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: AFAIK, you *must* be on the IPMC to be a mentor. Actually, according to Incubator policy [1] it's the other way around. "Upon acce

Re: [Vote] RCF proposal (was: [Proposal] RCF - a rich component library for JSF)

2007-04-04 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wednesday 04 April 2007 23:58, Craig L Russell wrote: > On Apr 3, 2007, at 8:43 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > > AFAIK, you *must* be on the IPMC to be a mentor. > > Actually, according to Incubator policy [1] it's the other way around. > "Upon acceptance by the Incubator PMC, the Podling's Mentor

Re: FtpServer mentor/commiter shortage

2007-04-04 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wednesday 04 April 2007 03:33, Niklas Gustavsson wrote: > Currently, there is only one active commiter (me) and no active mentors. > This causes some issues with the project. As a way of promoting the > project and possibly get more people interested in contributing, it's my > belief that we nee

Re: [Vote] RCF proposal (was: [Proposal] RCF - a rich component library for JSF)

2007-04-04 Thread Craig L Russell
On Apr 3, 2007, at 8:43 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Wednesday 04 April 2007 02:01, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: As a mentor, I do obviously approve this process. +1 (non-binding, as I am not an Incubator PMC member. As I understand, if this proposal goes through, I do become one, don't I

Re: Question about the PMC structure for graduating projects

2007-04-04 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Matt, The last official act of the PPMC is to graduate the project from the incubator. By that time, it should have learned how to govern itself. While there is no policy, I believe that graduation is a good time to take stock of the PPMC membership and committers and decide who will b

Re: [VOTE] Ratify the release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-04 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wednesday 04 April 2007 22:09, Martijn Dashorst wrote: > This is not what (most) of the mentors and IPMC members here have > voiced in the past. In order to graduate, a podling is required to > build a release, if only it is a developer only release (take the > harmony podling as an example). P

Re: [VOTE][HOTFIX] Approve the release of hotfix-1 for Apache UIMA 2.1.0-incubating

2007-04-04 Thread Jean T. Anderson
+1 -jean Marshall Schor wrote: > The Apache UIMA community has voted to release > org.apache.uima.desceditor.2.1.0.incubating-hotfix-1.zip . > We would now like to ask the Incubator PMC to > approve this "hotfix" release. > > This release consists of 1 zip file containing a replacement for one o

Re: [VOTE] Ratify the release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-04 Thread Martijn Dashorst
On 4/4/07, Bertrand Delacretaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If there have been changes since the release was cut, a new release must IMHO be created, so that people can vote (on the wicket lists first, and then come back here) on the correct one. Like Gwyn said, we'd rather wait until *all* feedb

Re: [VOTE] Ratify the release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-04 Thread Gwyn Evans
On 04/04/07, Bertrand Delacretaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 3/31/07, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >.../src/testing/wicket-threadtest/src/main/java/wicket/threadtest/App2Test1.java > > Ai! A sandbox project that slipped our attention I'm afraid. Thanks > for finding it. I fixed

Mentors On IPMC [WAS Re: [Vote] RCF proposal (was: [Proposal] RCF - a rich component library for JSF)]

2007-04-04 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 4/4/07, Niclas Hedhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wednesday 04 April 2007 02:01, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: > As a mentor, I do obviously approve this process. > > +1 (non-binding, as I am not an Incubator PMC member. As I understand, > if this proposal goes through, I do become one, don

Re: Question about the PMC structure for graduating projects

2007-04-04 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 4/4/07, Niclas Hedhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wednesday 04 April 2007 11:10, Matt Hogstrom wrote: > Is it standard practice to take the existing PPMC forward to the > board or can the project, in its discretion, suggest a PMC made > up of a different group of members? The 'standard' pr

Re: [VOTE] Ratify the release of Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-alpha

2007-04-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On 3/31/07, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >.../src/testing/wicket-threadtest/src/main/java/wicket/threadtest/App2Test1.java Ai! A sandbox project that slipped our attention I'm afraid. Thanks for finding it. I fixed it and added our unit test for header files to that project. If t

Re: Adding new committers process

2007-04-04 Thread Martin Ritchie
On 29/03/07, robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 3/29/07, Craig L Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Robert, > > From my reading of the incubator PPMC guide, the guide only talks > about the process up to the point where the PPMC votes to offer > commit privileges to a new m

Re: [Proposal] RCF - a rich component library for JSF

2007-04-04 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
Hello Coach, XAP does Ajax component wrapping on the client side in contrast to what jMaki does on the server side. XAP is a 100% client side framework that enables developers to write apps using a declarative XML syntax instead of coding JavaScript. Different from JSF (which does processing on