Re: [e-users] Sound lowering after a few minutes

2022-05-27 Thread Pierre Couderc via enlightenment-users
This problem has disappeared : maybe since 0.25... On 2/11/21 16:23, Pierre Couderc wrote: +1 ;) On 2/9/21 10:08 PM, Al Poole wrote: Heard it mentioned the other day. Anyone? On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 11:13 AM Pierre Couderc wrote: On a "standard" e system (using bullseye debian packages,

Re: [e-users] Sound lowering after a few minutes

2021-05-31 Thread Pierre Couderc via enlightenment-users
On 5/14/21 10:27 AM, Pierre Couderc via enlightenment-users wrote: On 2/9/21 10:08 PM, Al Poole wrote: Heard it mentioned the other day. Anyone? On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 11:13 AM Pierre Couderc wrote: On a "standard" e system (using bullseye debian packages, so with e 0.23.1), the sound lo

Re: [e-users] Sound lowering after a few minutes

2021-05-17 Thread Pierre Couderc via enlightenment-users
On 5/17/21 11:54 AM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Mon, 17 May 2021 07:06:41 +0200 Pierre Couderc via enlightenment-users said: On 5/15/21 11:23 AM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Sat, 15 May 2021 08:09:52 +0200 Pierre Couderc via enlightenment-users said: On 5/14/21 5:52 PM, Ross Vandegrift wro

Re: [e-users] Sound lowering after a few minutes

2021-05-17 Thread Ross Vandegrift
On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 08:09:52AM +0200, Pierre Couderc via enlightenment-users wrote: > > > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 11:13 AM Pierre Couderc > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On a "standard" e system (using bullseye debian packages, so with e > > > > > 0.23.1), the sound lowers regularly (100

Re: [e-users] Sound lowering after a few minutes

2021-05-17 Thread Carsten Haitzler
On Mon, 17 May 2021 07:06:41 +0200 Pierre Couderc via enlightenment-users said: > > On 5/15/21 11:23 AM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > On Sat, 15 May 2021 08:09:52 +0200 Pierre Couderc via enlightenment-users > > said: > > > >> On 5/14/21 5:52 PM, Ross Vandegrift wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 9, 202

Re: [e-users] Sound lowering after a few minutes

2021-05-16 Thread Pierre Couderc via enlightenment-users
On 5/15/21 11:23 AM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Sat, 15 May 2021 08:09:52 +0200 Pierre Couderc via enlightenment-users said: On 5/14/21 5:52 PM, Ross Vandegrift wrote: On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 11:13 AM Pierre Couderc wrote: On a "standard" e system (using bullseye debian packages, so with

Re: [e-users] Sound lowering after a few minutes

2021-05-15 Thread Carsten Haitzler
On Sat, 15 May 2021 08:09:52 +0200 Pierre Couderc via enlightenment-users said: > On 5/14/21 5:52 PM, Ross Vandegrift wrote: > > > >>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 11:13 AM Pierre Couderc wrote: > >>> > On a "standard" e system (using bullseye debian packages, so with e > 0.23.1), the sound

Re: [e-users] Sound lowering after a few minutes

2021-05-14 Thread Pierre Couderc via enlightenment-users
On 5/14/21 5:52 PM, Ross Vandegrift wrote: On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 11:13 AM Pierre Couderc wrote: On a "standard" e system (using bullseye debian packages, so with e 0.23.1), the sound lowers regularly (100, then a few minutes later 80,..). I've never seen that, either with E from buste

Re: [e-users] Sound lowering after a few minutes

2021-05-14 Thread Ross Vandegrift
On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 10:27:59AM +0200, Pierre Couderc via enlightenment-users wrote: > On 2/9/21 10:08 PM, Al Poole wrote: > > Heard it mentioned the other day. > > > > Anyone? > > > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 11:13 AM Pierre Couderc wrote: > > > > > On a "standard" e system (using bullseye

Re: [e-users] Sound lowering after a few minutes

2021-05-14 Thread Pierre Couderc via enlightenment-users
On 2/9/21 10:08 PM, Al Poole wrote: Heard it mentioned the other day. Anyone? On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 11:13 AM Pierre Couderc wrote: On a "standard" e system (using bullseye debian packages, so with e 0.23.1), the sound lowers regularly (100, then a few minutes later 80,..). I have muted

Re: [e-users] Sound lowering after a few minutes

2021-02-11 Thread Carsten Haitzler
On Tue, 9 Feb 2021 11:53:44 +0100 Pierre Couderc said: no - doesn't happen to me. > On a "standard" e system (using  bullseye debian packages, so with e > 0.23.1), the sound lowers regularly (100, then a few minutes later  80,..). > > > I have muted any input device in "input" tab of the mixe

Re: [e-users] Sound lowering after a few minutes

2021-02-11 Thread Pierre Couderc
+1 ;) On 2/9/21 10:08 PM, Al Poole wrote: Heard it mentioned the other day. Anyone? On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 11:13 AM Pierre Couderc wrote: On a "standard" e system (using bullseye debian packages, so with e 0.23.1), the sound lowers regularly (100, then a few minutes later 80,..). I have

Re: [e-users] Sound lowering after a few minutes

2021-02-09 Thread Al Poole
Heard it mentioned the other day. Anyone? On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 11:13 AM Pierre Couderc wrote: > On a "standard" e system (using bullseye debian packages, so with e > 0.23.1), the sound lowers regularly (100, then a few minutes later 80,..). > > > I have muted any input device in "input" tab

[e-users] Sound lowering after a few minutes

2021-02-09 Thread Pierre Couderc
On a "standard" e system (using  bullseye debian packages, so with e 0.23.1), the sound lowers regularly (100, then a few minutes later  80,..). I have muted any input device in "input" tab of the mixer (in case of potential feed back...) Am I alone ? is this a known problem..? Thanks in

Re: [e-users] Sound too low

2015-09-24 Thread Benoit Barthelet
pactl is the CLI for the pulsaudio volume control On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Pierre Couderc wrote: > > Thank you, it is exactly what I need ! > > On 09/24/2015 03:19 PM, Leslie Johnson wrote: >> pactl -- set-sink-volume 0 120% > > > -

Re: [e-users] Sound too low

2015-09-24 Thread Pierre Couderc
Thank you, it is exactly what I need ! On 09/24/2015 03:19 PM, Leslie Johnson wrote: > pactl -- set-sink-volume 0 120% -- Monitor Your Dynamic Infrastructure at Any Scale With Datadog! Get real-time metrics from all of

Re: [e-users] Sound too low

2015-09-24 Thread Leslie Johnson
I did this on my system: #!/bin/sh pactl -- set-sink-volume 0 120% Set the percentage to whatever works for you. Unfortunately, my Lenovo laptop sound control keys don't work after doing this. - Les On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 4:19 AM, Benoit Barthelet < [email protected]> wrote: > maybe

Re: [e-users] Sound too low

2015-09-24 Thread Benoit Barthelet
maybe alsamixer ? On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Pierre Couderc wrote: > Thank you, I have e19.7 and all my controls of mixer are at max level. > > On 09/23/2015 05:45 PM, Wido wrote: >> Are you using e17 from stable/testing? It has the old mixer, which I think >> is nicer than the new one. >>

Re: [e-users] Sound too low

2015-09-24 Thread Pierre Couderc
Thank you, I have e19.7 and all my controls of mixer are at max level. On 09/23/2015 05:45 PM, Wido wrote: > Are you using e17 from stable/testing? It has the old mixer, which I think > is nicer than the new one. > > If you have a mixer in a shelf, right click, go to advanced and I think you > wil

Re: [e-users] Sound too low

2015-09-23 Thread Wido
Are you using e17 from stable/testing? It has the old mixer, which I think is nicer than the new one. If you have a mixer in a shelf, right click, go to advanced and I think you will likely see more controls and not just pcm. I don't remember exactly the names and I have the new module, but explor

Re: [e-users] Sound too low

2015-09-23 Thread Pierre Couderc
Thnk you but it seems a hammer to kill a fly and I do not want one more control. I have soon mixer control which is enough. I just want to adjust global gain. On 09/21/2015 09:26 PM, Paul Cartwright wrote: > On 09/21/2015 09:27 AM, Pierre Couderc wrote: >> Thank you, I am nearly sure that I use p

Re: [e-users] Sound too low

2015-09-21 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 09/21/2015 09:27 AM, Pierre Couderc wrote: > Thank you, I am nearly sure that I use pulse. > I use the "Mixer" control in "Shelf Contents" with all controls at the > maximum values. > Is that "master mix volume" ? If yes, it is soon at max value... you might try Pulse Audio volume control.. dn

Re: [e-users] Sound too low

2015-09-21 Thread Pierre Couderc
Thank you, I am nearly sure that I use pulse. I use the "Mixer" control in "Shelf Contents" with all controls at the maximum values. Is that "master mix volume" ? If yes, it is soon at max value... On 09/21/2015 03:15 PM, Christopher Barry wrote: > On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 11:24:00 +0200 > Pierre Coud

Re: [e-users] Sound too low

2015-09-21 Thread Christopher Barry
On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 11:24:00 +0200 Pierre Couderc wrote: >I have a problem of sound too low even when sound is at maximum in the >Mixer (simple e on debian). >Is there a way to adjust maximum sound on a higher value. > >Thank you. > >PC > > > >

[e-users] Sound too low

2015-09-21 Thread Pierre Couderc
I have a problem of sound too low even when sound is at maximum in the Mixer (simple e on debian). Is there a way to adjust maximum sound on a higher value. Thank you. PC -- ___

Re: [e-users] Sound problems in 65643

2011-12-31 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 05:15:09 -0800 Nikolaos Strikos said: now it makes more sense :) btw - when u have issues like this - at least please mention such other changes as your mail seemed to say the only thing that changed was e (and efl). it helps us not chase ghosts :) > You're right, I didn't me

Re: [e-users] Sound problems in 65643

2011-12-31 Thread Nikolaos Strikos
You're right, I didn't mention the upgrade. :) But all this happened very soon after the upgrade (in fact all this happened _because of_ the upgrade -- thanks for this great project, guys), so yes, I guess it's unclear where exactly the problem came in. On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 05:05, Carsten Haitz

Re: [e-users] Sound problems in 65643

2011-12-31 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 04:56:15 -0800 Nikolaos Strikos said: pulse audio is a separate process that runs and manages audio routing - and it runs as your user, so from what u were ssying upgrading e made things stop working - i suspect u actually had a full distro upgrade u didnt mention :) > I fix

Re: [e-users] Sound problems in 65643

2011-12-31 Thread Nikolaos Strikos
I fixed it by adding my account to the audio & pulse-access groups. For some reason, this seemed unnecessary for the previous version and the console to work properly. Anyway, I consider this issue fixed. Thanks! On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 04:14, Nikolaos Strikos wrote: > No, this doesn't seem lik

Re: [e-users] Sound problems in 65643

2011-12-31 Thread Nikolaos Strikos
No, this doesn't seem like a PA bug, because I also tried uninstalling PA completely and the problem was still there.. I didn't have sound and alsamixer failed with the same error. On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 04:10, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > ?

Re: [e-users] Sound problems in 65643

2011-12-31 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 04:00:30 -0800 Nikolaos Strikos said: > Hi all, > > I am running Ubuntu 11.10 and a few days ago I compiled version > 0.16.999.65643 from the website sources. The problem is that my sound > doesn't work. Some symptoms are that PulseAudio manager only sees the > auto_null devi

[e-users] Sound problems in 65643

2011-12-31 Thread Nikolaos Strikos
Hi all, I am running Ubuntu 11.10 and a few days ago I compiled version 0.16.999.65643 from the website sources. The problem is that my sound doesn't work. Some symptoms are that PulseAudio manager only sees the auto_null devices and alsamixer cannot open mixer. Now, release 55225, which is offer

Re: [e-users] sound initialization

2009-11-22 Thread The Rasterman
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:49:09 -0800 John Davis said: run alsamixer and fix your mixer. :) > Thanks, this is exactly the problem. However, mixer does control the > volume, but the max-volume for mixer is about 25% of the actual max > volume, and thus very quiet. Barely audible over the fan. Runnin

Re: [e-users] sound initialization

2009-11-22 Thread John Davis
Thanks, this is exactly the problem. However, mixer does control the volume, but the max-volume for mixer is about 25% of the actual max volume, and thus very quiet. Barely audible over the fan. Running gnome-config somehow resets the volume so mixer can adjust volume from mute to max. I noticed th

Re: [e-users] sound initialization

2009-11-22 Thread Tom Haste
The mixer module will only work if you compile with libasound2-dev installed in Ubuntu... I do believe this may be a pulse audio issue, as Im using Ubuntu here and I simply got rid of pulseaudio. It sucks anyway. -Toma 2009/11/23 Jochen Schroeder : > On 11/22/09 20:01, John Davis wrote: >> Than

Re: [e-users] sound initialization

2009-11-22 Thread Jochen Schroeder
On 11/22/09 20:01, John Davis wrote: > Thanks, but pulseaudio is running under both circumstances > > j...@cleese:~$ ps -ef | grep pulse > j 2111 1 0 19:57 ?00:00:00 /usr/bin/pulseaudio > --start --log-target=syslog > j 2114 2111 0 19:57 ?00:00:00 > /usr/lib/

Re: [e-users] sound initialization

2009-11-22 Thread Christopher Michael
Well, was just a thought ;) Must be something that gnome-session is running which enlightenment does not... dh John Davis wrote: > Thanks, but pulseaudio is running under both circumstances > > j...@cleese:~$ ps -ef | grep pulse > j 2111 1 0 19:57 ?00:00:00 /usr/bin/pulseau

Re: [e-users] sound initialization

2009-11-22 Thread John Davis
Thanks, but pulseaudio is running under both circumstances j...@cleese:~$ ps -ef | grep pulse j 2111 1 0 19:57 ?00:00:00 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog j 2114 2111 0 19:57 ?00:00:00 /usr/lib/pulseaudio/pulse/gconf-helper j 2160 2139

Re: [e-users] sound initialization

2009-11-22 Thread Christopher Michael
John Davis wrote: > When I reboot my machine and login to enlightenment, there is no > sound. If I logout and instead login to the default Ubuntu gnome > session, the sound works. If I log out of gnome and start an > enlightenment session again, the sound now works in e, too. So I know > that my ha

[e-users] sound initialization

2009-11-22 Thread John Davis
When I reboot my machine and login to enlightenment, there is no sound. If I logout and instead login to the default Ubuntu gnome session, the sound works. If I log out of gnome and start an enlightenment session again, the sound now works in e, too. So I know that my hardware is working, but what

Re: [e-users] Sound on Toshiba laptop with e16? E-SD.epplet is segfaulting

2009-10-31 Thread David C. Rankin
On Saturday 31 October 2009 12:08:05 pm David C. Rankin wrote: > > However, I have never really used it. AFAIK sound should just work when > > esound support is available. Alternatively e16 can be compiled to use > > pulseaudio sound. > > > > /Kim > > > > > > Ugh, pulse, (don't throw me in th

Re: [e-users] Sound on Toshiba laptop with e16? E-SD.epplet is segfaulting

2009-10-31 Thread David C. Rankin
Kim Woelders wrote: > On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 04:12:22 +0100, David C. Rankin > wrote: >> >> Sound works fine in other WM and even from the command line with >> play. So >> somehow I have to reach an agreement with E-SD, or find a work-around >> that >> will provide sound in e16. >> > I think t

Re: [e-users] Sound on Toshiba laptop with e16? E-SD.epplet is segfaulting

2009-10-31 Thread Kim Woelders
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 04:12:22 +0100, David C. Rankin wrote: > Listmates, > > (I promise I'm running out of questions) However, one other stumbling > block I > have run across is trying to get sound working in e16. I have esound > installed, but when I enable sound through Settings -> Sou

[e-users] Sound on Toshiba laptop with e16? E-SD.epplet is segfaulting

2009-10-30 Thread David C. Rankin
Listmates, (I promise I'm running out of questions) However, one other stumbling block I have run across is trying to get sound working in e16. I have esound installed, but when I enable sound through Settings -> Sound, X locks up and I have to CTRL+F1 to drop to console and shutdown x

Re: [e-users] Sound with E17?

2008-12-12 Thread luchezar Petkov
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/12/08 7:28 PM, duckz quack wrote: > Is it possible to have sound for enlightenment for this moment?Duckz > What do you mean? Events sounds? EFL audio player? Something else? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment:

Re: [e-users] Sound with E17?

2008-12-12 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:28 PM, duckz quack wrote: > Is it possible to have sound for enlightenment for this moment?Duckz What you mean? There are no sound events in enlightenment itself and I think nobody is willing to implement it soon. But you can easily run any sound any sound applications

[e-users] Sound with E17?

2008-12-12 Thread duckz quack
Is it possible to have sound for enlightenment for this moment?Duckz Join Linux on Toshiba Group Group name: linux_on_Toshiba Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linux_on_Toshiba Group email address: [email protected] Fedora Core 4 - Toshiba and Acer Notebooks pe

Re: [e-users] sound on eap

2006-01-06 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 17:15:16 -0200 Benone Marcos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Any plans to include sounds on eap ? or maybe thats just a aplication > task, in that case, any plans to add sounds on engage ou ibar > ("on'action'" style) ? for e17 NO sound support is planned for the wm or its th

[e-users] sound on eap

2006-01-02 Thread Benone Marcos
Any plans to include sounds on eap ? or maybe thats just a aplication task, in that case, any plans to add sounds on engage ou ibar ("on'action'" style) ? -- =[nome]=[Benone Marcos]=[nome]= =[url]==[http://www.benone.org]==[url]= [EMAIL PROTECTED] =[icq]=

Re: [e-users] SOUND - Debian Unstable

2004-07-22 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 15:36:05 -0300 "Gregory Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Bbabbled: (B (B> Hi, (B> I't been quite a while I've run Enlightenment, but, I have never (B> forgotten that it was it that got me started in the linux world. One (B> issue which I used to face, and still every now and

[e-users] SOUND - Debian Unstable

2004-07-22 Thread Gregory Brown
Title: Message Hi,     I't been quite a while I've run Enlightenment, but, I have never forgotten that it was it that got me started in the linux world. One issue which I used to face, and still every now and then pick up off the net is the problem with sound in E16 - I remeber that moving wi

Re: [e-users] Sound and sound events in Enlightenment

2003-11-18 Thread Hall Stevenson
At 07:18 PM 11/18/2003, you wrote: And aren't there ways to use a general purpose sound sample library, like the gnome-mdeia-extra sounds? I think those are usually installed along with gnome, and most people who have E installed have gnome installed too... I wouldn't assume that... and I don't t

Re: [e-users] Sound and sound events in Enlightenment

2003-11-18 Thread Hall Stevenson
Just to follow-up on this subject and mind you, the decision is NOT mine, but from the developer list, it seems that having sounds available in a secondary E package is popular. As I mentioned, the goal is to reduce the size of E's download and the sound files take up something in the 3-4mb rang

Re: [e-users] Sound and sound events in Enlightenment

2003-11-18 Thread Linux
I an highly in favour of sound in E. I always use sound, excepting for the moment when I can't yet get it to function on my new computer... such sadness. So please keep it in. Thanks Adrian On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:09:12 -0500 Hall Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote the words: > > How many

Re: [e-users] Sound and sound events in Enlightenment

2003-11-12 Thread Marc Bruggeman
I agree with John. Enlightenment is becoming so much more configurable that Sound as well could be looked upon as an option with separate configuration. If all this has to be part of E or if a sound event managers (from another package) could be used, that I leave in the open. I am not that experie

Re: [e-users] Sound and sound events in Enlightenment

2003-11-11 Thread John C
Well, to be honest, I would like to have sounds in E, but the thing is the sounds in the current themes are a little annoying to me, but I like the idea of having sounds. Maybe making it an extra package with a configuration window independent from the theme would be a good idea. If I could defi

Re: [e-users] Sound and sound events in Enlightenment

2003-11-11 Thread John Miskinis
Hi, I'm looking for people who *want* sound events or have purposely enabled them. I use sounds in E, about half of the time these days. It's a nice feature. I would probably use them more often, but I have never been able to automate the "resuming" of sounds on my older laptop, which uses esd

Re: [e-users] Sound and sound events in Enlightenment

2003-11-11 Thread Nick Stuyt
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Re: [e-users] Sound and sound events in Enlightenment

2003-11-11 Thread Ron
On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 10:09, Hall Stevenson wrote: > How many people have sound events enabled in Enlightenment ?? If you do, > but don't know how to turn them off, please say so. I'm looking for people > who *want* sound events or have purposely enabled them. > > There's a discussion going on i

Re: [e-users] Sound and sound events in Enlightenment

2003-11-11 Thread John Miskinis
Hi, How many people have sound events enabled in Enlightenment ?? If you do, but don't know how to turn them off, please say so. I'm looking for people who *want* sound events or have purposely enabled them. I use sounds in E about half of the time. On my older laptop, I use esd, but have neve

[e-users] Sound

2003-11-11 Thread Justin Parker
I like the sound events! atleast keep the option maybe not the sound files themselves. Maybe like an icon packet or something. Justin --- This SF.Net email sponsored by: ApacheCon 2003, 16-19 November in Las Vegas. Learn firsthand the latest

Fwd: Re: [e-users] Sound and sound events in Enlightenment

2003-11-11 Thread Hall Stevenson
Subject: Re: [e-users] Sound and sound events in Enlightenment From: the_masked_lotus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Hall Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Organization: X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Date: 11 Nov 2003 11:29:59 -0600 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, pl

[e-users] Sound and sound events in Enlightenment

2003-11-11 Thread Hall Stevenson
How many people have sound events enabled in Enlightenment ?? If you do, but don't know how to turn them off, please say so. I'm looking for people who *want* sound events or have purposely enabled them. There's a discussion going on in regards to reducing the size of E's download and this "fea

Re: [e-users] Sound and enlightenment

2003-06-29 Thread phriedrich
> ESD is probably running and possibly blocking for applications that > tries to run oss-sound. If ESD blocks your sound port for OSS-sound, you can either disable ESD, use ALSA for output (for example in xmms, xine etc.) or use the ESD-output-plugins for those applications...at least for xmms an

Re: [e-users] Sound and enlightenment

2003-06-29 Thread Kenneth Macdonald Karlsen
On Sun, 2003-06-29 at 13:33, Julien Rebetez wrote: > Hello everybody! > I have some problems with my soundcard, and in most of the apps, the > sound doesn't work. But with enlightenment, when i activate the sound, i > hear them! > So, i would have wanted to know how i could know better which output

[e-users] Sound and enlightenment

2003-06-29 Thread Julien Rebetez
Hello everybody! I have some problems with my soundcard, and in most of the apps, the sound doesn't work. But with enlightenment, when i activate the sound, i hear them! So, i would have wanted to know how i could know better which output plugins is using enlightenment. Thanks Julien -