Re: Moratorium on new XUL features

2014-10-14 Thread Yonggang Luo
在 2014年10月14日星期二UTC+8下午8时29分04秒,Boris Zbarsky写道: > On 10/13/14, 11:28 PM, Yonggang Luo wrote: > > > If the XUL is truly dead, then mozilla community should consider to remove > > it totally from the codebase > > > > Working on it. It's a big project. ;) Well, indeed, i've seen so much simula

WARNING: bugzilla "review granted" emails no longer contain review comments

2014-10-14 Thread L. David Baron
There is a regression in bugzilla.mozilla.org such that "review granted", "feedback granted", etc., emails no longer contain the comments made when granting the review. This bug is tracked in: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1082887 Until this bug is fixed, if you get a "review grant

Re: Breakdown of Firefox full installer

2014-10-14 Thread Mike Hoye
On 2014-10-14 10:14 PM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: On 2014-10-14, 10:09 PM, Mike Hommey wrote: I'm not saying we shouldn't strive for better, but I'm questioning the fact that download size would be affecting our growth. If the download size of our competitors is not affecting theirs, why would it

Breakdown of Firefox full installer

2014-10-14 Thread Robert Strong
- Original Message - > From: "Mike Hommey" > To: "Ehsan Akhgari" > Cc: "Chris More" , dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org, "Daniel > Veditz" > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:09:30 PM > Subject: Re: Breakdown of Firefox full installer > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 09:03:30PM -0400, Ehsan Ak

Re: Breakdown of Firefox full installer

2014-10-14 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 2014-10-14, 10:09 PM, Mike Hommey wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 09:03:30PM -0400, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: On 2014-10-14, 6:53 PM, Mike Hommey wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 11:11:01AM -0700, Chris More wrote: Very interesting. When Firefox 4 was launched, it was 12MB. When Australis was launc

Re: Breakdown of Firefox full installer

2014-10-14 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 09:03:30PM -0400, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: > On 2014-10-14, 6:53 PM, Mike Hommey wrote: > >On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 11:11:01AM -0700, Chris More wrote: > >>Very interesting. When Firefox 4 was launched, it was 12MB. When > >>Australis was launched it was 28MB. Now, Firefox 33 is

Re: Breakdown of Firefox full installer

2014-10-14 Thread Robert Strong
Agreed. We should always strive to do the best that we possibly can and focus our efforts on the areas with the greatest impact. - Original Message - > From: "Ehsan Akhgari" > To: "Mike Hommey" , "Chris More" > Cc: dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org, "Daniel Veditz" > Sent: Tuesday, Octobe

Re: Breakdown of Firefox full installer

2014-10-14 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 2014-10-14, 6:53 PM, Mike Hommey wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 11:11:01AM -0700, Chris More wrote: Very interesting. When Firefox 4 was launched, it was 12MB. When Australis was launched it was 28MB. Now, Firefox 33 is 35MB. That's almost a 200% increase. I did an A/B test last year when the

Re: Breakdown of Firefox full installer

2014-10-14 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
On 2014-10-14, 7:25 PM, Chris More wrote: Great question and we've discussed the same thing last year. Last year, Chrome was about the same size if not slightly bigger and that looks to be the same case now. It is still worthwhile to understand about our installer size, the driver of growth ea

Re: Breakdown of Firefox full installer

2014-10-14 Thread Robert Strong
Another example, if the omni.jar is not compressed the installer can compress it about as well as if they were individual files and the minimal compression currently used by omni.jar makes it so the installer is not able to compress the omni.jar nearly as well which increases the installer size.

Re: Breakdown of Firefox full installer

2014-10-14 Thread Gregory Szorc
On 10/14/14 5:12 PM, Neil wrote: Gregory Szorc wrote: If you are looking for ideas on how to reduce download size, the way omni.ja is included in the installer could be reduced by 4+ MB. Both omni.ja and browser/omni.ja are zip archives, where each file has a separate compression context. If yo

Re: Breakdown of Firefox full installer

2014-10-14 Thread Robert Strong
I found my previous analysis of the stub installer: Stub installs without a Firefox profile and not installing on top of an existing install (e.g. new installs) have a 90.32% success rate for Firefox 30 during the first 2 weeks starting the Friday after release. Robert - Original Message --

Re: Breakdown of Firefox full installer

2014-10-14 Thread Neil
Gregory Szorc wrote: If you are looking for ideas on how to reduce download size, the way omni.ja is included in the installer could be reduced by 4+ MB. Both omni.ja and browser/omni.ja are zip archives, where each file has a separate compression context. If you treat all files from those two

Re: Breakdown of Firefox full installer

2014-10-14 Thread Chris More
Also, it may be "challenging" to contact the Chrome team and ask them for their conversion rates to install by country, but I would imagine they are probably facing similar challenges. They may also have other methods of distribution to get around the constraints or have enough marketing $$ to o

Re: Breakdown of Firefox full installer

2014-10-14 Thread Chris More
Great question and we've discussed the same thing last year. Last year, Chrome was about the same size if not slightly bigger and that looks to be the same case now. It is still worthwhile to understand about our installer size, the driver of growth each release, and if there is any impact. Chr

Re: Breakdown of Firefox full installer

2014-10-14 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 11:11:01AM -0700, Chris More wrote: > Very interesting. When Firefox 4 was launched, it was 12MB. When > Australis was launched it was 28MB. Now, Firefox 33 is 35MB. That's > almost a 200% increase. I did an A/B test last year when the installer > was 22MB and there was a st

Re: Removing ancient and unused code from tools/

2014-10-14 Thread Nicholas Nethercote
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Nicholas Nethercote wrote: > > - tools/performance/pageload -- is this Talos(tp)? Bug 342089 added this. > - tools/performance/startup -- has seen various more changes than all the >to-be-removed stuff above; philor removed a >

Re: Moratorium on new XUL features

2014-10-14 Thread Joshua Cranmer 🐧
On 10/14/2014 5:12 PM, Robert O'Callahan wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Joshua Cranmer 🐧 wrote: From another point of view: Mozilla, for over a decade, provided a relatively featureful toolkit for building UIs known as XUL. If the argument is that we should be using HTML instead of X

Re: Moratorium on new XUL features

2014-10-14 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Joshua Cranmer 🐧 wrote: > From another point of view: Mozilla, for over a decade, provided a > relatively featureful toolkit for building UIs known as XUL. If the > argument is that we should be using HTML instead of XUL, then wouldn't it > make sense to provide a

Re: Breakdown of Firefox full installer

2014-10-14 Thread Justin Dolske
On 10/14/14 2:20 AM, Robert Strong wrote: * (Countries' average) Internet speed dramatically affected conversion rates: 70% success in the fastest countries and 30% in the slowest countries. Note that these conversion rates are from download to hitting the first run page and there are several f

Proposed W3C Charter: Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) Working Group

2014-10-14 Thread L. David Baron
The W3C is proposing a revised charter for: Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) Working Group http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/2014/charter http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-new-work/2014Sep/0010.html Mozilla has the opportunity to send comments or objections through next Monday, October

Re: Breakdown of Firefox full installer

2014-10-14 Thread Chris More
Very interesting. When Firefox 4 was launched, it was 12MB. When Australis was launched it was 28MB. Now, Firefox 33 is 35MB. That's almost a 200% increase. I did an A/B test last year when the installer was 22MB and there was a strong correlation between average internet speed in a specific reg

Re: GGC not enabled in XULRunner

2014-10-14 Thread Kyle Huey
Anybody has the right to submit patches. Try producing a patch and asking ":terrence" for review. - Kyle On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 9:14 AM, wrote: > The confvars.sh in XULrunner doesn't have JSGC_GENERATIONAL enabled. As a > result, XULrunner doesn't have GGC enabled although the code has been

Re: Breakdown of Firefox full installer

2014-10-14 Thread Daniel Veditz
On 10/13/2014 4:54 PM, Chris More wrote: > For example, the win32 installer for Firefox 32 is 34MB. Remember the days when Asa would jump all over people for breaking the 5Mb barrier? https://wiki.mozilla.org/Download_Size -Dan Veditz ___ dev-platform m

Re: Breakdown of Firefox full installer

2014-10-14 Thread Daniel Veditz
On 10/13/2014 9:25 PM, Chris Peterson wrote: > Going forward, it would be interesting to see a dashboard track Firefox > installer size every day (or show every changeset's delta on Treeherder). We used to have http://arewesmallyet.com -- I found references to it as late as a year ago but it seems

Re: Tool for generation of regression-range links

2014-10-14 Thread Robert Helmer
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Gregory Szorc wrote: > On 10/13/14 12:17 PM, Benjamin Smedberg wrote: >> >> tl;dr: I have a tool for generating regression-range links from >> buildids. http://bsmedberg.github.io/firefox-regression-range-finder/ >> >> Often times when we're investigating regressio

GGC not enabled in XULRunner

2014-10-14 Thread allencblee
The confvars.sh in XULrunner doesn't have JSGC_GENERATIONAL enabled. As a result, XULrunner doesn't have GGC enabled although the code has been there since v31. I've filed a bug in bugzila (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1063911) bug but haven't got any feedback so far. Can som

Re: Test Informant Report - Week of 2014-10-05

2014-10-14 Thread Andrew Halberstadt
On 14/10/14 11:58 AM, Bill McCloskey wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:45 AM, Dave Townsend wrote: Is there any way to see the breakdown of which testsgot enabled. I'm surprised to see mochitest-plain rise by 3456 yet mochitest-plain-e10s rise by only 28. I'd love to find out which tests got tur

Re: Test Informant Report - Week of 2014-10-05

2014-10-14 Thread Bill McCloskey
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:45 AM, Dave Townsend wrote: > Is there any way to see the breakdown of which testsgot enabled. I'm > surprised to see mochitest-plain rise by 3456 yet mochitest-plain-e10s rise > by only 28. I'd love to find out which tests got turned on on one but not > the other. If yo

Re: Tool for generation of regression-range links

2014-10-14 Thread Gregory Szorc
On 10/13/14 12:17 PM, Benjamin Smedberg wrote: tl;dr: I have a tool for generating regression-range links from buildids. http://bsmedberg.github.io/firefox-regression-range-finder/ Often times when we're investigating regressions (crashes, etc), we have the build ID of the nightly where the regr

Re: Test Informant Report - Week of 2014-10-05

2014-10-14 Thread Dave Townsend
Is there any way to see the breakdown of which testsgot enabled. I'm surprised to see mochitest-plain rise by 3456 yet mochitest-plain-e10s rise by only 28. I'd love to find out which tests got turned on on one but not the other. Dave On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 6:57 AM, Andrew Halberstadt < ahalbers

Re: Breakdown of Firefox full installer

2014-10-14 Thread Andreas Gal
I looked at lzma2 a while ago for FFOS. I got pretty consistently 30% smaller omni.ja with that. We could add it pretty easily to our decompression code but it has slightly different memory behavior. Andreas On Oct 13, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Gregory Szorc wrote: > On 10/13/14 4:54 PM, Chris More

Re: Breakdown of Firefox full installer

2014-10-14 Thread Irving Reid
On 2014-10-13 8:48 PM, Mike Hommey wrote: > Note a significant amount of the omni.ja and browser/omni.ja data is > used for jsloader/jssubloader data: 4744949 and 1560499 bytes from those > files are that. These jsloader/jssubloader data are there for startup > benefits on Firefox first run (if the

Test Informant Report - Week of 2014-10-05

2014-10-14 Thread Andrew Halberstadt
Test Informant report for 2014-10-12. State of test manifests at revision f547cf19d104. Using revision 9ee9e193fc48 as a baseline for comparisons. Showing tests enabled or disabled between 2014-10-06 and 2014-10-12. 79% of tests across all suites and configurations are enabled. Summary ---

Re: Moratorium on new XUL features

2014-10-14 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Boris Zbarsky wrote: > Working on it. It's a big project. ;) Is there a tracker for this? Cheers, Dirkjan ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform

Re: W3C Proposed Recommendation: HTML5

2014-10-14 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 10/14/14, 1:29 AM, L. David Baron wrote: (2) While it would be helpful to have the recommendation contain The "While" seems extraneous. The rest looks great! -Boris ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozill

Re: Moratorium on new XUL features

2014-10-14 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 10/13/14, 11:28 PM, Yonggang Luo wrote: If the XUL is truly dead, then mozilla community should consider to remove it totally from the codebase Working on it. It's a big project. ;) -Boris ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozill

I was trying to monitoring the 'tree' row count change, how to do that.

2014-10-14 Thread Yonggang Luo
Thanks in advance.. ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform

Re: Breakdown of Firefox full installer

2014-10-14 Thread Ms2ger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/14/2014 02:09 AM, Kyle Huey wrote: > The simplest way to break the installer down is by the files in > it. > > e.g. http://khuey.pastebin.mozilla.org/6781501 For future reference: > mozilla@KHUEY-19294 /c/dev/scratch $ wget > ftp://ftp.mozilla

RE: Breakdown of Firefox full installer

2014-10-14 Thread Robert Strong
> -Original Message- > From: dev-platform [mailto:dev-platform- > bounces+rstrong=mozilla@lists.mozilla.org] On Behalf Of Chris Peterson > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 9:25 PM > To: dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org > Subject: Re: Breakdown of Firefox full installer > > On 10/13/14 5:

-remote is no more

2014-10-14 Thread Mike Hommey
Hi, I landed earlier today, on mozilla-inbound, the death of the -remote option on Linux (and some other Unix). See http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8044e5199fe2 for the detailed rationale. I invite third-party application developers to remove the part of their command line