Re: [OFFTOPIC] Punked was [Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)]

2021-08-13 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-13 5:31 p.m., Dan Ritter wrote: > John Hasler wrote: >> Stefan writes: >>> How odd. I always assumed that it was the comic-strip style >>> representation of the sound of hanging up the phone abruptly. >> >> No. I was there when it came into use. It definitely represents the >> soun

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-13 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-13 6:55 p.m., songbird wrote: > John Hasler wrote: > ... >> No. I was there when it came into use. It definitely represents the >> sound of a small object dropping into a large tank with liquid at the >> bottom. A septic tank, for example. It was common to respond to a >> particula

Re: [OFFTOPIC] CoCo and oldies (was : 1149 (was: lonk / was: Meta: behavior on list))

2021-08-14 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-14 9:16 a.m., Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 14 August 2021 08:44:44 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 07:37:00AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: >>> tomas writes: But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it? >>> >>> Yup. Back in the 1860s we did UUCP over manua

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-14 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-08-14 2:53 p.m., Michael Howard wrote: > On 14/08/2021 16:08, Charles Curley wrote: >> On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 07:37:00 -0500 >> John Hasler wrote: >> >>> tomas writes: But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it? >>> Yup.  Back in the 1860s we did UUCP over manual telegraph.  Earli

Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012

2021-08-14 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-14 2:44 p.m., Brian wrote: > On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 19:03:23 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > >> On 2021-08-12 6:27 p.m., Brian wrote: >>> On Thu 12 Aug 2021 at 15:33:26 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: >>> >>> P

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-14 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-14 2:35 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 01:27:43PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: >> Charlie Gibbs writes: >>> Some people will respond by switching to a different e-mail address in >>> order to work around the killfiles they know they're now in. >> >> Fortunately Gnus

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-14 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-14 3:51 p.m., Curt wrote: > On 2021-08-14, Michael Howard wrote: >> On 14/08/2021 16:08, Charles Curley wrote: > >>> Don't forget IP over drums, and of course IP over lanterns in church >>> steeples ("Two if by sea", etc.) >>> >> >> Please take this shit off list! >> > >

Re: PSA: 'apt-get update' new-Debian-release error fix

2021-08-14 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-14 7:06 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 06:26:07PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: >> I had enough trouble with this at the last Debian release, > > ... but not this time, right? > >> For anyone who uses 'apt-get update' - and, I suspect, any other tool >> than 'apt'

Re: PSA: 'apt-get update' new-Debian-release error fix

2021-08-14 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-14 7:45 p.m., The Wanderer wrote: > On 2021-08-14 at 19:41, Greg Wooledge wrote: > >> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 07:26:44PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > >>> The warnings I'd be OK with; I might even be OK with the errors, >>> except for the fact that they point not to anything with usef

Re: PSA: 'apt-get update' new-Debian-release error fix

2021-08-14 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-14 9:08 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 08:52:19PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > wrote: >> I got a series of line saying N and one saying E: >> >> N: Repository 'http://security.debian.org buster/updates InRelease'

Re: Issues with Bullseye

2021-08-15 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-15 10:51 a.m., Hans wrote: > Am Sonntag, 15. August 2021, 16:36:05 CEST schrieb Brian: > Yes, you are very right! >> >> There isn't any such thing as being "too critical" when it comes to >> technical matters :). >> >> A link to the page you were looking at might help. > > To everyone

Re: Grub efi etc

2021-08-15 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-08-15 3:13 p.m., Gunnar Gervin wrote: > Hi. > After I put EFI in sda1 Refracta installer was not satisfied and told me > to put 'boot installer' in, and write some (unspecified) text in fstab, > but wasn't in ETC. > > How and what to write in fstab? > > You tell me to specify questio

Re: Grub efi etc

2021-08-15 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-08-15 3:13 p.m., Gunnar Gervin wrote: > Hi. > After I put EFI in sda1 Refracta installer was not satisfied and told me > to put 'boot installer' in, and write some (unspecified) text in fstab, > but wasn't in ETC. > > How and what to write in fstab? > https://www.debian.org/releases/

Re: Grub efi etc

2021-08-15 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-15 4:31 p.m., Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 10:13:07PM +0300, Gunnar Gervin wrote: >> Hi. >> After I put EFI in sda1 Refracta installer was not satisfied and told me to >> put 'boot installer' in, and write some (unspecified) text in fstab, but >> wasn't in ETC. >>

Re: Grub efi etc

2021-08-15 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-08-15 3:13 p.m., Gunnar Gervin wrote: > Hi. > After I put EFI in sda1 Refracta installer was not satisfied and told me > to put 'boot installer' in, and write some (unspecified) text in fstab, > but wasn't in ETC. > > How and what to write in fstab? > > You tell me to specify questio

Re: Grub efi etc

2021-08-15 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-15 3:34 p.m., Brian wrote: > On Sun 15 Aug 2021 at 22:13:07 +0300, Gunnar Gervin wrote: > >> Hi. >> After I put EFI in sda1 Refracta installer was not satisfied and told me to >> put 'boot installer' in, and write some (unspecified) text in fstab, but >> wasn't in ETC. > > [...] > >

Re: Always run apt update before clicking on synaptic ?

2021-08-15 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-15 2:25 p.m., Brian wrote: > On Sun 15 Aug 2021 at 20:13:55 +0200, Roger Price wrote: > >> man synaptic says « It allows you to perform all actions of the command line >> tool apt-get in a graphical environemnt. » >> >> In the help manual I read « Reload the package information to be

Re: moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere

2021-08-15 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-15 9:29 p.m., lou wrote: > Andrew, i thought you r moderator because you post monthly list guideline > > and you speak kindly with some authority when some list user deviate > Andrew is a active community member who gives lots of time for all of us. I think he's (pick a word) in the

Re: [Going OFFTOPIC ] Harmonic Analysis ( was: moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere)

2021-08-15 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-15 10:26 p.m., Jeremy Ardley wrote: > > On 16/8/21 10:17 am, Weaver wrote: >> >> Any idiot can edit a page there. >> Cheers! >> >> Harry. >> > And they frequently do! > > Yesterday I looked up 'harmonic analysis' of which I am a subject > expert. The article was virtually incomprehen

Re: moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere

2021-08-15 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-08-15 10:26 p.m., Jeremy Ardley wrote: > > On 16/8/21 10:17 am, Weaver wrote: >> >> Any idiot can edit a page there. >> Cheers! >> >> Harry. >> > And they frequently do! > > Yesterday I looked up 'harmonic analysis' of which I am a subject > expert. The article was virtually incompre

Re: Grub efi etc

2021-08-16 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-08-16 2:30 a.m., to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 05:21:41PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > wrote: >> >> >> On 2021-08-15 4:31 p.m., Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > [...] > >>> Keep notes as you go. Try and raise s

Re: [WAS Re: Grub efi etc - specific mention of WSL - Windows Subsystem for Linux]

2021-08-16 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-16 6:44 a.m., Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 06:19:47AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On 2021-08-16 2:30 a.m., to...@tuxteam.de wrote: >>> On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 05:21:41PM -0400, Polyna-Ma

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

2021-08-17 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-17 9:08 a.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 09:01:32AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: >> Tell me where to read about an insitu upgrade from stretch to buster, > > https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ > >> root@coyote:~$ apt update >> Hit:1 http://s

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

2021-08-18 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi On 2021-08-17 6:05 p.m., Brian wrote: > On Tue 17 Aug 2021 at 16:54:54 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> Where do I find the recipe to update stretch to buster? > > What, in this helpful thread, do you find difficult to understand? > > You have a collection of important machines in your charge

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

2021-08-18 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-17 7:04 p.m., Brian wrote: > On Tue 17 Aug 2021 at 14:56:30 -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > [...] > >> Hmm, afaiac, it would be nice to have an off-topic list with the hopes of a >> lot >> of the people on debian-user might subscribe to it. > > Nice? Really? There was one. It

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

2021-08-18 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-17 7:21 p.m., Brian wrote: > On Tue 17 Aug 2021 at 22:48:34 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 11:05:44PM +0100, Brian wrote: >>> On Tue 17 Aug 2021 at 16:54:54 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: >>> Where do I find the recipe to update stretch to buster? >>> >>

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

2021-08-18 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-18 12:57 p.m., Brian wrote: > On Wed 18 Aug 2021 at 14:27:13 +0200, deloptes wrote: > >> Jonathan Dowland wrote: >> >>> I think the way forward this time would be to request one on the >>> official Debian mailing list server, rather than elsewhere.  But, >>> such a list will only serv

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

2021-08-19 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-19 2:18 a.m., deloptes wrote: > Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > >> You seem pretty good a drawing a line between *good* and *bad*, always >> putting yourself on the *good* side. >> > > see this is exactly the attitude I am reffering to. >

Re: Flamebait [was: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants ...]

2021-08-19 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-19 3:47 a.m., to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 08:18:37AM +0200, deloptes wrote: > > [...] > >> You see yourself in a role to correct someone ... typical for leftist with >> moral superiority syndrome. > > This is a crudely obvious flamebait. Why do you do this? >

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them)

2021-08-19 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-19 4:04 a.m., to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 12:51:24AM -0700, Weaver wrote: > > [...] > >> Do you really think it's that bad? > > I actually agree that it is manageable. OTOH, things are > changing, and change must be tackled. > > Community is these days more di

Re: Flamebait [was: Wishing for an off-topic mail list ...]

2021-08-19 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-19 4:34 a.m., to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 04:27:08AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > wrote: >> >> >> On 2021-08-19 2:18 a.m., deloptes wrote: >>> Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > [...] > >>

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

2021-08-19 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-19 9:04 a.m., Jim Popovitch wrote: > On Thu, 2021-08-19 at 07:23 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: >> I've been subscribed to this list for a long time and I've seen a >> change in how it is being used, which I think is harmful to its core >> purpose > > 100% agree. I'm another long tim

Re: moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere

2021-08-19 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-19 11:12 a.m., Steve McIntyre wrote: > wea...@riseup.net wrote: >> On 16-08-2021 11:29, lou wrote: >>> Andrew, i thought you r moderator because you post monthly list guideline >>> >>> and you speak kindly with some authority when some list user deviate >> >> By reputation, the list is

Respect for newbies and new comers [ was : moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere ]

2021-08-19 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-19 11:58 a.m., Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > > Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside writes: > >> On 2021-08-19 11:12 a.m., Steve McIntyre wrote: >>> wea...@riseup.net wrote: >>>> On 16-08-2021 11:29, lou wrote: >>> If you're trying t

Re: Respect for newbies and new comers [ was : moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere ]

2021-08-19 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
; then I think >>>> you may need to change your expectations. The "principles of open >>>> source" do not include a free pass to be abusive to others. > > Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: >>> [...] Steve's message is pretty explicit, so I guess >&g

Re: RTL8852 driver for Debian 11

2021-08-19 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-08-19 3:26 p.m., Intense Red wrote: >This is for a new consumer-grade HP laptop which seems to be (according to > Windows) running a Realtek 8852 wireless connection (no standard Ethernet > jack > on this laptop). > >Debian 11 doesn't seem to detect the wireless NIC. > Hav

Re: RTL8852 driver for Debian 11

2021-08-19 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-08-19 3:26 p.m., Intense Red wrote: >This is for a new consumer-grade HP laptop which seems to be (according to > Windows) running a Realtek 8852 wireless connection (no standard Ethernet jack > on this laptop). > >Debian 11 doesn't seem to detect the wireless NIC. > >Does

Re: Respect for newbies and new comers [ was : moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere ]

2021-08-20 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-19 5:33 p.m., Brian wrote: > On Thu 19 Aug 2021 at 14:45:16 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > >> >> >> On 2021-08-19 2:18 p.m., Thomas Schmitt wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Steve McIntyre wrote: >>>>>> This

Re: Respect for newbies and new comers [ was : moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere ]

2021-08-20 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-20 5:22 p.m., Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > > On 2021-08-19 5:33 p.m., Brian wrote: >> On Thu 19 Aug 2021 at 14:45:16 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 2021-08-19 2:18 p.m., Thomas Schmit

Re: Debian 11 doesn't suspend properly on Acer Aspire 5 A515-51G-52GM

2021-08-21 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-21 3:03 p.m., piorunz wrote: > On 21/08/2021 19:38, Mislav Jurić wrote: > >> I have a bug related to Debian 11 (codename Bullseye). I tried to report >> it using /*reportbug*/, but /*reportbug*/ led me to this email address. >> >> I am using Debian 11 on Acer Aspire 5 A515-51G-52GM. *

Re: smart fans

2021-08-21 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-08-21 7:53 p.m., Emanuel Berg wrote: > o/ > > Is there a way to have "smart fans" that only go as fast > as needed? > Fans are already going " as needed" if your system supports it. > Or, lacking that, is there a way to manually switch them off > when one isn't using the computer? >

Re: smart fans

2021-08-21 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-21 9:01 p.m., Emanuel Berg wrote: > Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > >> Maybe you are playing in something you don't really master >> the ins and out of the consequence of what you may do. >> And this is proven by the simple sentence that *hiberna

Re: smart fans

2021-08-21 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-21 9:01 p.m., Emanuel Berg wrote: > Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > >> Maybe you are playing in something you don't really master >> the ins and out of the consequence of what you may do. >> And this is proven by the simple sentence that *hiberna

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 4:02 a.m., Emanuel Berg wrote: > tomas wrote: > >>> There are no working fan sensors, all readings are 0. >>> Make sure you have a 3-wire fan connected. >> ^^ >> Well? > > I'm sure! > >> This would be the first thing to clear. If your hardware >> doesn't

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 3:56 a.m., Emanuel Berg wrote: > David Christensen wrote: > >> If you throttle your CPU, it will not generate as much heat: >> >> https://wiki.debian.org/CpuFrequencyScaling > > You mean permanently or when I'm not using the computer? Have you read the wiki page regarding *fr

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 4:02 a.m., Emanuel Berg wrote: > tomas wrote: > >>> There are no working fan sensors, all readings are 0. >>> Make sure you have a 3-wire fan connected. >> ^^ >> Well? > > I'm sure! > >> This would be the first thing to clear. If your hardware >> doesn't

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 4:23 a.m., to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 09:56:19AM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote: > > [...] >> Fan connectors are 3-pin! > > Aha. So there's a chance. > > But still your drivers don't seem to play along. Hm. > > Ahem... it seems I was wrong: the third pin in thr

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 4:30 a.m., Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > > On 2021-08-22 4:23 a.m., to...@tuxteam.de wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 09:56:19AM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote: >> >> [...] >>> Fan connectors are 3-pin! >> >> Aha. So ther

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 4:36 a.m., Emanuel Berg wrote: > Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > >> I think you got all the information at hand now. > > pwmconfig fails but the error message doesn't add up. > > Or what's this about fan-divisors? > > You ma

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 4:39 a.m., Emanuel Berg wrote: > Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > >> The significant difference in practice is that 4-pin fans >> allow for RPM to change based on the need for cooling >> temperature, this reduces noise and power consumption. >&g

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 5:27 a.m., Emanuel Berg wrote: > didier gaumet wrote: > >> Here is your motherboard user manual [...] >> https://rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-b450-f-gaming-model/helpdesk_manual >> Look at 3.2.3 section for fan control > > OK! > >> I could be entirely wrong bu

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 5:49 a.m., Emanuel Berg wrote: > didier gaumet wrote: > >>> Okay, but is that even possible? >> >> Yes. If you want more details, read the previous link to an >> explanation of differences between 3 and 4 pins connectors: >> there are pictures to illustrate different possible >> co

Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans)

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 2:28 a.m., Emanuel Berg wrote: > Reco wrote: > >>> This made me think, is there a FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) that you >>> can install/flash to replace the manufacturer's? >> >> Coreboot is what you're thinking of. Supported motherboard's >> list is extremely limited though. > > There is a

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 9:41 a.m., to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 09:03:51AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > wrote: > > [...] > >> Like I already wrote, modifying voltage doesn't change speed of a motor >> (fan). > > I disagree. The

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 10:00 a.m., Emanuel Berg wrote: > Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > >>> Or what's this about fan-divisors? >>> >>> You may also need to increase the fan divisors. >>> See doc/fan-divisors for more information. >

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 10:02 a.m., Emanuel Berg wrote: > tomas wrote: > >> I disagree. The thing poses [1] as a DC motor (2 pins power, >> one tacho). I don't think you get too much control over RPM > > That's what you get with the 4th wire/pin? A sensor to > read RPM? > Opposite 3 wire = 2 wire to dri

Re: FOSS "BIOS" (UEFI) (was: Re: smart fans)

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 10:04 a.m., Emanuel Berg wrote: > Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > >> Google "Coreboot supported motherboard" ? >> >> And going to see this page as the first choice >> >> https://coreboot.org/status/board-status.html > &

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 12:43 p.m., Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > > On 2021-08-22 9:41 a.m., to...@tuxteam.de wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 09:03:51AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside >> wrote: >> >> [...] >> >>> Like I already wr

Manual vs Auto-Install in APT[ was : kodi and gnome-control-center conflict on bullseye]

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 1:09 p.m., The Wanderer wrote: > Note that if you eventually hit a command line which succeeds, you'll > probably wind up marking all the listed packages as manually installed, > which you may not want. It may be worth backing up your > "manually-installed packages" state (as repor

Re: zoom client for bullseye

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 2:17 p.m., Thomas George wrote: > The zoom client downloaded from the zoom web page seems to have been > written for Debian 8 > > Installing it in bullseye fails, dependency problems > What is the dependencies that fail ? It does run on Debian Buster. -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summersid

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 5:47 p.m., David Christensen wrote: > On 8/22/21 2:26 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote: >> didier gaumet wrote: >> >>> I would think that pwmconfig complains that it finds 3-pins >>> fans set up to PWM mode (4-pins required) >>> >>> Your UEFI propose either to setup your fans globally or >>>

Re: smart fans

2021-08-22 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-22 8:51 p.m., Emanuel Berg wrote: >> OK, I did check out the BIOS/UEFI/Setup and all five fans >> can be configured individually. There are five options. > > I spoke to soon, there seems to be only one set of options for > the CPU fan, so I guess the CPU_OPT and CPU_FAN are the same >

Buster (oldstable) install image

2021-11-18 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, Where can I get a "Buster" (10) install image. I can only find the 11 version on Debian Server. Thanks -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Filesystem and free space

2021-12-12 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, I've learned thru this mailing list that it was something "from decades ago" to create a filesystem for /tmp, /var, /home, /usr, etc unless really needed. I must admit it make sense and I'd be better served by either a one partition or only a /home separate. Now here's my question : How can I

Re: Filesystem and free space

2021-12-13 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-12-13 2:47 a.m., Tom Dial wrote: > > > On 12/12/21 12:28, Teemu Likonen wrote: >> * 2021-12-12 14:13:19-0500, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: >> >>> How can I ensure that user (or a software being run by a user that >>> goes craz

Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"]

2021-12-13 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-12-13 1:18 p.m., Richard Owlett wrote: > On 12/13/2021 09:09 AM, Kent West wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 8:57 AM Richard Owlett >> wrote: >> >>> [snip] >>> >>> I installed both programs to the Debian 11 partition of my secondary >>> machine. I ran into two problems. >>> >>> 1. In Xip

Re: Fwd: Returned mail: see transcript for details

2021-12-17 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Him On 2021-12-16 3:10 p.m., gene heskett wrote: > See attached, the final reject of my attempt to post to the cups list, which > I > am subscribed to. > > Where did I mess it up? > Have you tried registering again ? Also, look in the header of your message and see the complete route of your

Re: Risc-V [OT: Firefox ESR EOL]

2021-12-19 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-12-19 3:13 a.m., Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 18 dec 21, 14:22:58, David Newman wrote: >> On Dec 18, 2021, at 12:44, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: >>> >>>  > On Fri, Dec 10, 2021, 3:56 AM Andrei POPESCU > wrote: > On Jo, 09 dec 21, 23:24:11, Marco Möller wrote: >> >>

Re: Identity Theft

2021-12-21 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-12-21 5:23 p.m., tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: > Le 21/12/2021 à 16:20, Richmond a écrit : >> Jeremy Ardley writes: >> >>> On 21/12/21 9:59 am, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December 20, 2021 02:28:13 PM Brian wrote: > On Mon 20 Dec 2021 at 10:32:31 -0500, rhkra...@gmai

LVM passphrase

2021-12-27 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, I got two logical volume on my hard disk. One is the swap Other is the root Both have the same passphrase. How can I make grub ask only once ? Thanks -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: LVM passphrase

2021-12-30 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi Andrew, On 2021-12-28 5:00 p.m., Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 08:55:29AM +1100, David wrote: >> On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 at 21:06, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: >>> Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote on >>> 28/12/2021 at 07:39:16+0100: >>

Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...

2022-01-06 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2022-01-06 10:41 a.m., Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Thursday 06 January 2022 07:20:43 am Greg Wooledge wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 06, 2022 at 01:01:07AM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: >>> So I downloaded the current version of the program. This gets incremental >>> upgrades all the time,

Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...

2022-01-07 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2022-01-07 15:03, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Friday 07 January 2022 12:30:55 pm Dan Ritter wrote: >> Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: >>> On Thursday 06 January 2022 11:46:33 am Dan Ritter wrote: Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > Not sure what I'm looking at here... No pro

Re: Followup to my last...

2022-01-18 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2022-01-18 02:29, R. Toby Richards wrote: > I'm installing Debian 11. The installer says that it is missing firmware > files: b43/ucode11.fw, b43/ucode11.fw, b43-open/ucode11.fw and > b43-open/ucode.fw. If you have such media available now, insert it, and > continue. > > I downloaded the d

Re: Please take this as constructive

2022-01-18 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2022-01-18 01:47, R. Toby Richards wrote: > > > > Every time that I search for solutions to my wifi drivers, the solution > is to apt-get install a bunch of drivers. Why does nobody realize that > apt'ing anything is a non-solution: How can I apt-get install drivers> if I don't have networ

Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2022-01-23 05:31, deloptes wrote: > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >> This is not helpful. If you value logic as much as you talk about (cf. >> your other post), you wouldn't need this narrative of Some Dark >> Conspiracy Taking Over The World (TM). >> > > No conspiracy - it is a fact. > >> Stic

Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2022-01-23 04:52, deloptes wrote: > Marco Möller wrote: > >> I feel that a concise statement from Debian insiders would gain a lot to >> not provoke avoidable discussions and would right away defeat heat given >> off obstructively. >> As Thomas pointed out, there are hundreds of posts from ye

Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2022-01-23 06:17, mick crane wrote: >> >> All together it is sad that conflicts are not solved for one or another >> reason. > > This is probably an accurate observation. > I was a little concerned about the direction of travel when that > software got removed from the repository because o

Re: "Package was removed from Debian because of a variable name" myth (?) (was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?)

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2022-01-23 06:52, mick crane wrote: > On 2022-01-23 11:38, Andy Smith wrote: >> Hello, >> >> On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 11:17:25AM +, mick crane wrote: >>> I was a little concerned about the direction of travel when that >>> software >>> got removed from the repository because of variable nam

Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2022-01-23 07:30, deloptes wrote: > Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > >> You do not care but still take plenty time to post a very long paragraph >> full of nonsense which brings nothing relevant to the discussion, and >> shows that you are also able to lack that ability you claim having to >> ha

Re: "Package was removed from Debian because of a variable name" myth (?) (was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?)

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2022-01-23 08:16, mick crane wrote: > On 2022-01-23 11:56, Andy Smith wrote: >> Hi Mick, >> >> On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 11:52:12AM +, mick crane wrote: >>> On 2022-01-23 11:38, Andy Smith wrote: >>> > On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 11:17:25AM +, mick crane wrote: >>> > > I was a little concern

Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2022-01-23 08:53, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > [Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside] > >> This is a mailing list, not a airport. No need to announce any departure. >> If you feel there's something better then go for your own faith. >> >> The basis of com

Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2022-01-23 14:10, local10 wrote: > Jan 23, 2022, 18:48 by ta...@debianlists.mobilxpress.net: > >> On 23.01.22 00:24, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: >> >>> >>> >> I think the further deterioration of his relation with Debian stems from >> there, but i did not explore 900 matches of >> >>

Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2022-01-23 18:32, local10 wrote: > Jan 23, 2022, 21:43 by p...@debian.org: > >> What happened is that DAM took a decision, which was challenged by some >> Developers, among with some were willing to start a General Resolution >> to overturn DAM's decision. >> >> In that heated discussion, Ian

Re: Why is systemd starting Firefox?

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2022-01-23 18:50, local10 wrote: > Jan 23, 2022, 23:24 by avbe...@gmail.com: > >> Does this command show anything useful when 'firefox-esr' is running? >>     $ systemctl --user status >> > > There's a few entries like the following: > > ├─app-firefox\x2desr-dc24162ec3664da890a78fe619b4b

Re: Why is systemd starting Firefox?

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2022-01-23 18:50, local10 wrote: > Jan 23, 2022, 23:24 by avbe...@gmail.com: > >> Does this command show anything useful when 'firefox-esr' is running? >>     $ systemctl --user status >> > > There's a few entries like the following: > > ├─app-firefox\x2desr-dc24162ec3664da890a78fe619b4b

Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2022-01-23 19:27, local10 wrote: > Jan 23, 2022, 23:58 by deb...@polynamaude.com: > >> >> >>> Sounds sketchy but whatever.  Is there a list of all the horrible things >>> Norbert Preining said that was used to support the decision to demote him? >>> As a Debian and KDE user I'm trying to un

Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2022-01-23 19:37, max wrote: > January 22, 2022 1:52:16 PM CET "Marco Möller" > wrote: > >> Without transparency the Debian project does not present itself as >> community driven, but as a closer circle of directing minds hiding the >> reasoning for their decisions. > > Indeed. In

Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2022-01-23 21:27, deloptes wrote: > local10 wrote: > >> I asked you a simple question: Is there a list of all the horrible things >> Norbert Preining said that was used to support the decision to demote him? >> >> Instead of providing a clear answer to the question you seem to be more >> inte

Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2022-01-23 21:39, max wrote: > January 24, 2022 2:23:12 AM CET Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > wrote: > >> None here are public officials, this is a private corporation even if it's >> of public utility. > > Nor was I suggesting otherwise. > &g

Re: USB UEFI recovery stick

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2022-01-23 21:39, deloptes wrote: > > Hi all, > is there a way to have a USB UEFI stick that works similar to the Debian > installer - for example to boot into UEFI and recover the boot loader. > One machine here seems a bit older and refuses to boot into UEFI from the > USB - rendering US

Re: Why is Debian not telling the truth about its security fixes?

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2022-01-23 23:26, max wrote: > January 22, 2022 3:51:28 PM CET "Andrew M.A. Cater" > wrote: > >> Debian does fix security problems > > The question is when: 0 days or 6 months after the CVE announcement? I mean, > if you need 6 months, that's fine. Just don't claim that you do it in 0

Re: Why is Debian not telling the truth about its security fixes?

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi On 2022-01-24 01:07, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 01:01:57AM -0500, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > wrote: > > [...] > > Polyna, > > with due respect for your patience... I have the impression that you are > feeding trolls here. >

Re: [CODE OF CONDUCT REMINDER - WAS Re: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?]

2022-01-24 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2022-01-24 12:50, RP wrote: > On 1/24/22 09:33, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 04:55:25PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: >>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 12:44:52PM +0100, deloptes wrote: max wrote: > For comparison, RMS is publicly against singular "they", and

Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-24 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2022-01-24 14:35, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 23 ian 22, 10:52:48, deloptes wrote: >> >> I will be not surprised if I replace debian with something else in the >> future. Not because I care that much about the CoC, but because the >> ideologically motivated organization will not be abl

Re: how to test and compare performance of bullseye for i386 and amd64

2022-01-24 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2022-01-24 22:02, David Wright wrote: > On Mon 24 Jan 2022 at 20:30:20 (-0500), a wrote: >> i've installed debian 11 for both arch on same PC, amd64 seems faster >> >> is there some tool to demonstrate performance of PC? >> Yes there is standardized benchmark available. LinPack for example, Ge

Re: Bullseye - who and users return nothing

2022-01-24 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2022-01-24 23:03, Gareth Evans wrote: > On Tue 25 Jan 2022, at 03:28, Greg Wooledge wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 03:06:00AM +, Gareth Evans wrote: >>> On Tue 25 Jan 2022, at 03:02, Gareth Evans wrote: On Tue 25 Jan 2022, at 02:54, Greg Wooledge wrote: > A google search led

Re: Why is Debian not telling the truth about its security fixes?

2022-01-25 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2022-01-25 03:58, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 24 ian 22, 07:47:01, max wrote: >> January 22, 2022 2:23:48 PM CET max wrote: >> >>> https://medium.com/@maxwillb/why-is-debian-not-telling-the-truth-about-its-security-fixes-85f0f85f19a0 >> >> I've updated the post taking into account the f

Security

2022-01-25 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi Guys / Girls, I'm also on the security advisory mailing list. Kind of strange that some people complains we lag behind when I get information everyday that fixes are available for packages in the stable / old stable release. And I go against the suggestion by mirroring security-updates reposit

Re: Security

2022-01-25 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2022-01-25 15:47, Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 03:05:51PM -0500, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > wrote: >> Kind of strange that some people complains we lag behind when I get >> information everyday that fixes are available for package

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