Re: Fwd: Ubuntu 24.10 failing download [Re: fail message dirmanager]

On 2024-12-24, Andy Smith wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Dec 25, 2024 at 12:51:57AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: >> The persistence of the person, in refusing to subscribe to, and post the >> query to, the Ubuntu users list, make me think that the person is simply >> trolli

Re: Fwd: Ubuntu 24.10 failing download [Re: fail message dirmanager]

Hi, On Wed, Dec 25, 2024 at 12:51:57AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > The persistence of the person, in refusing to subscribe to, and post the > query to, the Ubuntu users list, make me think that the person is simply > trolling this list, and, that the person should be moderated on this li

Re: Fwd: Ubuntu 24.10 failing download [Re: fail message dirmanager]

your answer, I'm from Norway. I know that this is a Debian list. There is a hint that all can post because of no regulary administration on the Debian list. My qestion is also not specific for Ubuntu. Ubuntu is, strictly, off-topic here. Any advice we give on anything else is only best endea

Re: Fwd: Ubuntu 24.10 failing download [Re: fail message dirmanager]

rom Norway. > I know that this is a Debian list. > > There is a hint that all can post because of no > regulary administration on the Debian list. My qestion is also not > specific for Ubuntu. > Ubuntu is, strictly, off-topic here. Any advice we give on anything else is only b

Ubuntu 24.10 failing download [Re: fail message dirmanager]

Thanks for the reply. Andy has been addressed to a...@strugglers.net Koffie Forwarded Message Subject: Re: Fwd: Ubuntu 24.10 failing download [Re: fail message dirmanager] Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2024 14:40:52 + From: Andy Smith Reply-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org To

Re: Fwd: Ubuntu 24.10 failing download [Re: fail message dirmanager]

Hi koffie, I'm unsure which Andy you are reply to - me (Andy Smith) or Andy Cater. 😀 This is going to be my last reply as I/we cannot help you with Ubuntu or snaps. Some of your responses are a little objectionable but I'm going to consider that as being due to a language barrier an

Re: Fwd: Ubuntu 24.10 failing download [Re: fail message dirmanager]

On 12/24/24 09:00, koffie wrote: I have to find a solution to be able to boot from USB to start my Ubuntu. If that works I can try to restore the system partition on Windows. Looks like you are in a lot of trouble, the only thing I can suggest would be to reinstall Windows and use WSL to have

Fwd: Ubuntu 24.10 failing download [Re: fail message dirmanager]

Hello Andy thanks for your answer, I'm from Norway. I know that this is a Debian list. There is a hint that all can post because of no regulary administration on the Debian list. My qestion is also not specific for Ubuntu. Otherwise, this is a real treat to me for month. I don't g

Re: Ubuntu 24.10 failing download [Re: fail message dirmanager]

Hi, I wonder if koffie is not a subscriber to debian-user and so has not seen any of the replies here to their mail? Below is a direct copy of perhaps the most helpful one, but the bottom line is: you need to use an Ubuntu support forum for Ubuntu help, not a Debian one. Thanks, Andy On Sun

Ubuntu 24.10 failing download [Re: fail message dirmanager]

On Sun, Dec 22, 2024 at 08:38:24PM +0100, koffie wrote: > Ubuntu / Oracular > Hello, > Hi koffie, This is a Debian list: Ubuntu support is off-topic here but you could try an Ubuntu list or forum. > It is not possible to download an iso file. > It takes hours to get it but

Re: A more fundemental error? - was [Re: Issues installing Erling using apt (Ubuntu 20.04)]

On 11/29/24 10:58 AM, Roger Price wrote: On Fri, 29 Nov 2024, Richard Owlett wrote: As the OP's link explicitly referenced "debian" I used Synaptic's search function. There were no packages with "Erling" in package name, but several in description field. I'm guessing Erling is a typo for Erla

Re: A more fundemental error? - was [Re: Issues installing Erling using apt (Ubuntu 20.04)]

On Fri, 29 Nov 2024, Richard Owlett wrote: As the OP's link explicitly referenced "debian" I used Synaptic's search function. There were no packages with "Erling" in package name, but several in description field. I'm guessing Erling is a typo for Erlang, an excellent concurrent, real time, d

A more fundemental error? - was [Re: Issues installing Erling using apt (Ubuntu 20.04)]

ist.d/erlang_solutions_repo.list , and the run sudo apt update, I get this error: Hit:6 https://packages.erlang-solutions.com/debian focal/contrib amd64 Packages [ *SNIP* ] I have triple checked ownership of files, tried to run apt-get clean, etc etc, nothing works. The exact same setup (Ubuntu

Re: Issues installing Erling using apt (Ubuntu 20.04)

On 2024-11-29 17:49, Michael Kjörling wrote: While Debian and Ubuntu are similar in some respects (for example by using the same package management tools, modulo exact versions), it's always better to ask people who are likely familiar with what you are running. I found debian 12 has

Re: Issues installing Erling using apt (Ubuntu 20.04)

On 29 Nov 2024 09:36 +0100, from matilda.sjob...@recordedfuture.com (Matilda Sjöblom): > I have triple checked ownership of files, tried to run apt-get clean, etc > etc, nothing works. The exact same setup (Ubuntu 20.04) worked on the 11th > of November. > > Has something on yo

Re: Issues installing Erling using apt (Ubuntu 20.04)

triple checked ownership of files, tried to run apt-get clean, etc > etc, nothing works. The exact same setup (Ubuntu 20.04) worked on the 11th > of November. > > Has something on your side changed since then? This looks very much like a packaging problem on erlang-solutions.com's sid

Issues installing Erling using apt (Ubuntu 20.04)

ailed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. I have triple checked ownership of files, tried to run apt-get clean, etc etc, nothing works. The exact same setup (Ubuntu 20.04) worked on the 11th of November. Has something on your side changed since then? Kind re

Re: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions

On 10/15/24 07:35, Anssi Saari wrote: Chris Green writes: No need for that (testing for me), I can try and if it all goes pear shaped I'll just have to go out to the system in the garage with a screen and keyboard (and mouse). If the backup system is down for a while it wouldn't be a disaster

Re: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions

Chris Green writes: > No need for that (testing for me), I can try and if it all goes pear > shaped I'll just have to go out to the system in the garage with a > screen and keyboard (and mouse). If the backup system is down for a > while it wouldn't be a disaster. I've actually done a headless

Re: Mozilla's apt repository; was: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions

Hi, Le 11/10/2024, Brad Rogers a écrit: >>if some evil actor gets access to mozilla's >>repository and injects some malware into it. > > A point I missed. Clearly. > > Thanks for highlighting. This is not very convincing. If an evil actor were in a position to do that, they would probably

Re: Mozilla's apt repository; was: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions

On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 11:56:12 +0100 debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: Hello debian-u...@howorth.org.uk, >if some evil actor gets access to mozilla's >repository and injects some malware into it. A point I missed. Clearly. Thanks for highlighting. -- Regards _ "Valid sig separator

Re: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions

On 11 Oct 2024 09:38 +0100, from c...@isbd.net (Chris Green): > I can try and if it all goes pear > shaped I'll just have to go out to the system in the garage with a > screen and keyboard (and mouse). No need for a mouse, even if you use the graphical installer. -- Michael Kjörling

Re: Mozilla's apt repository; was: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions

On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 11:56:12AM +0100, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > Brad Rogers wrote: > > On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 07:37:03 + > > Michael Kjörling wrote: > > > > Hello Michael, > > > > >That sounds like an even better argument for not pinning _everything_ > > >coming from that reposit

Re: Mozilla's apt repository; was: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions

Brad Rogers wrote: > On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 07:37:03 + > Michael Kjörling wrote: > > Hello Michael, > > >That sounds like an even better argument for not pinning _everything_ > >coming from that repository at priority 1000. > > Maybe, but; > > As an experiment, I added the mozilla repo and

Re: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions

On 2024-10-11, Chris Green wrote: > Yes, I said earlier that I think I need to investigate how to use > backports. GnuCash in particular is a candidate. Sorry I miss the point. To install from backports you have to add it in sources.list deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-backports main

Re: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions

to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > [-- text/plain, size 0.8K, charset utf-8, 24 lines, encoding quoted-printable > --] > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 06:26:37PM +, Michael Kjörling wrote: > > On 10 Oct 2024 20:40 +0300, from pa...@seestieto.com (Henrik Ahlgren): > > > ...however, Flatpak works fine on De

Re: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions

Henrik Ahlgren wrote: > On Thu, 2024-10-10 at 16:45 +0100, Chris Green wrote: > > My main complaint is snap, which I have removed but I suspect it's > > going to become steadily more difficult to run Ubuntu without snap. > > Welcome to Debian, no forced snap nonsense

Re: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions

Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 03:41:35PM +0100, Chris Green wrote: > > 2 - Can I easily make a 'server' type installation without a GUI? This > > is for a backup system in my garage which is (usually) headless. Even > > better can I do the installation via ssh? > > > > Wit

Re: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions

Michel Verdier wrote: > On 2024-10-10, Chris Green wrote: > > > My only need for 'latest' versions tends to be for a very few things > > where keeping different systems in step is important. Some are in > > PPAs (e.g. syncthing) so I get the same version on all my systems that > > way. The othe

Re: Mozilla's apt repository; was: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions

On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 07:37:03 + Michael Kjörling wrote: Hello Michael, >That sounds like an even better argument for not pinning _everything_ >coming from that repository at priority 1000. Maybe, but; As an experiment, I added the mozilla repo and updated. Everything from their repos was l

Re: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions

On 2024-10-10, Chris Green wrote: > My only need for 'latest' versions tends to be for a very few things > where keeping different systems in step is important. Some are in > PPAs (e.g. syncthing) so I get the same version on all my systems that > way. The other one I can think of at the moment

Re: Mozilla's apt repository; was: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions

On 10 Oct 2024 19:53 +0100, from b...@fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers): >> Though I would adjust that apt pinning configuration slightly to favor >> only firefox and maybe thunderbird packages from their repository, > > AFAICT, the repo you cited has firefox(1) only. That sounds like an even better ar

Re: Why (not?) Mozilla [was: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions]

On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 03:00:06AM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote: [...] > You might like this one, too. Mozilla just bought an ad company and > cut-in code in Firefox for targeted advertising: "Privacy-Preserving" > Attribution: Mozilla Disappoints Us Yet Again, >

Re: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions

On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 18:26:37 + Michael Kjörling wrote: Hello Michael, >Though I would adjust that apt pinning configuration slightly to favor >only firefox and maybe thunderbird packages from their repository, AFAICT, the repo you cited has firefox(1) only. T'Bird direct from mozilla is i

Re: Why (not?) Mozilla [was: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions]

On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 2:07 AM wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 04:55:28PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > [...] > > > Lol... That's been the course for years now. Mozilla almost lost their > > non-profit status because they were making so much money from their > > Google partnership: > >

Why (not?) Mozilla [was: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions]

On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 04:55:28PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote: [...] > Lol... That's been the course for years now. Mozilla almost lost their > non-profit status because they were making so much money from their > Google partnership: >

Why (not?) Mozilla [was: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions]

On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 08:52:13PM +, Michael Kjörling wrote: > On 10 Oct 2024 20:47 +0200, from to...@tuxteam.de: > >>> ...however, Flatpak works fine on Debian and is a pretty neat way of > >>> getting very fresh versions of certain selected pieces of software, like > >>> Firefox (official Mo

Re: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions

024 at 01:41 Chris Green wrote: > Hi all. > > I am a long time Linux user (since before 2000) and an xubuntu user > since somewhere in the early 2000s. > > However I'm finding various aspects of [x]ubuntu are becoming steadily > more annoying so I'm looking for oth

Re: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions

On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 2:47 PM wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 06:26:37PM +, Michael Kjörling wrote: > > On 10 Oct 2024 20:40 +0300, from pa...@seestieto.com (Henrik Ahlgren): > > > ...however, Flatpak works fine on Debian and is a pretty neat way of > > > getting very fresh versions of ce

Re: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions

On 10 Oct 2024 20:47 +0200, from to...@tuxteam.de: >>> ...however, Flatpak works fine on Debian and is a pretty neat way of >>> getting very fresh versions of certain selected pieces of software, like >>> Firefox (official Mozilla channel, released without any delay) >> >> These days, Mozilla also

Re: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions

On Friday, 11-10-2024 at 05:47 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 06:26:37PM +, Michael Kjörling wrote: > > On 10 Oct 2024 20:40 +0300, from pa...@seestieto.com (Henrik Ahlgren): > > > ...however, Flatpak works fine on Debian and is a pretty neat way of > > > getting very fres

Re: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions

On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 16:45:05 +0100 Chris Green wrote: > My main complaint is snap, which I have removed but I suspect it's > going to become steadily more difficult to run Ubuntu without snap. snapd and flatpak are available as Debian packages, but are entirely optional. I prefer to

Re: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions

> 2 - Can I easily make a 'server' type installation without a GUI? This > is for a backup system in my garage which is (usually) headless. Even > better can I do the installation via ssh? Assuming you have enough disk space, you can install into a new LV/partition while the old system is still r

Re: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions

On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 06:26:37PM +, Michael Kjörling wrote: > On 10 Oct 2024 20:40 +0300, from pa...@seestieto.com (Henrik Ahlgren): > > ...however, Flatpak works fine on Debian and is a pretty neat way of > > getting very fresh versions of certain selected pieces of software, like > > Firefo

Re: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions

On 10 Oct 2024 20:40 +0300, from pa...@seestieto.com (Henrik Ahlgren): > ...however, Flatpak works fine on Debian and is a pretty neat way of > getting very fresh versions of certain selected pieces of software, like > Firefox (official Mozilla channel, released without any delay) These days, Mozi

Re: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions

On Thu, 2024-10-10 at 16:45 +0100, Chris Green wrote: > My main complaint is snap, which I have removed but I suspect it's > going to become steadily more difficult to run Ubuntu without snap. Welcome to Debian, no forced snap nonsense here. > My only need for 'latest' ve

Re: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions

systems are my desktop which is also used as my mail server (running postfix) and my laptop. I think I'll go for testing on the laptop but I'm not sure whether stable or testing would be best for the desktop. I tended to keep my desktop running Ubuntu LTS releases, would I get about the same &

Re: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions

stems are my desktop > > which is also used as my mail server (running postfix) and my laptop. > > I think I'll go for testing on the laptop but I'm not sure whether > > stable or testing would be best for the desktop. I tended to keep my > > desktop running Ubuntu

Re: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions

On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 03:41:35PM +0100, Chris Green wrote: > Hi all. > > I am a long time Linux user (since before 2000) and an xubuntu user > since somewhere in the early 2000s. > > However I'm finding various aspects of [x]ubuntu are becoming steadily > more annoyin

Re: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions

On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 03:11:34PM +, Michael Kjörling wrote: > On 10 Oct 2024 15:41 +0100, from c...@isbd.net (Chris Green): [snip] Lots of really helpful replies, thank you Michael. Yes, maybe stable is the way to go for all my systems, at least initially. -- Chris Green

Re: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions

On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 15:41:35 +0100 Chris Green wrote: > However I do have a couple of questions:- > > 1 - Is keeping a Debian system up to date just like Ubuntu, i.e. one > just needs to run 'apt update;apt upgrade' at regular intervals? ... > and of course autorem

Re: Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions

On 10 Oct 2024 15:41 +0100, from c...@isbd.net (Chris Green): > 1 - Is keeping a Debian system up to date just like Ubuntu, i.e. one > just needs to run 'apt update;apt upgrade' at regular intervals? ... > and of course autoremove and clean as required. Yes. I usually use ap

Refugee from [x]ubuntu, a few initial questions

Hi all. I am a long time Linux user (since before 2000) and an xubuntu user since somewhere in the early 2000s. However I'm finding various aspects of [x]ubuntu are becoming steadily more annoying so I'm looking for other distributions and Debian would seem to be an obvious way to go.

Re: unexplained crash on Ubuntu 20.04 system

On 18 Nov 2023 01:36 -0500, from noloa...@gmail.com (Jeffrey Walton): > On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 7:11 PM Adam Weremczuk > wrote: >> Yesterday SSH on my desktop PC running Ubuntu 20.04 became unresponsive. > > [...] You should probably ask on the ubuntu-users list. [...] I agre

Re: homebrew for debian or ubuntu

Jeffrey Walton wrote: > Homebrew only supports the last release or two on MacOS. Today, you > might see support for Version 13: "Ventura" and Version 12: > "Monterey". Anything else and you had to use MacPorts. Or pkgsrc*, which isn't quite as popular but supports (or can be made to support) prett

Re: how to debootstrap Debian 8 Jessie released 2015-04-25 on Ubuntu 14.04

On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 10:22:56AM +0200, Mario Marietto wrote: > ok. these works : > > debootstrap --foreign --arch=armhf jessie jessie-armhf > http://archive.debian.org/debian > > debootstrap --foreign --arch=armhf strech strech-armhf > http://archive.debian.org/debian > > but not this : > >

Re: how to debootstrap Debian 8 Jessie released 2015-04-25 on Ubuntu 14.04

anks. > > On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 10:14 AM Mario Marietto > wrote: > >> Can you elaborate the full command ? thanks. >> >> On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 10:12 AM Javier Barroso >> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> El dom., 18 jun. 2023 9:56, Ma

Re: how to debootstrap Debian 8 Jessie released 2015-04-25 on Ubuntu 14.04

t;> El dom., 18 jun. 2023 9:56, Mario Marietto >> escribió: >> >>> I'm running Ubuntu 14.04 and I would like to debootstrap debian jessie >>> 8. I've found this tutorial and I tried , but it didn't work : >>> >>> from here : >>&g

Re: how to debootstrap Debian 8 Jessie released 2015-04-25 on Ubuntu 14.04

Can you elaborate the full command ? thanks. On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 10:12 AM Javier Barroso wrote: > Hello, > > El dom., 18 jun. 2023 9:56, Mario Marietto > escribió: > >> I'm running Ubuntu 14.04 and I would like to debootstrap debian jessie 8. >> I've

Re: how to debootstrap Debian 8 Jessie released 2015-04-25 on Ubuntu 14.04

Hello, El dom., 18 jun. 2023 9:56, Mario Marietto escribió: > I'm running Ubuntu 14.04 and I would like to debootstrap debian jessie 8. > I've found this tutorial and I tried , but it didn't work : > > from here : > > https://blog.lazy-evaluation.net/posts/

how to debootstrap Debian 8 Jessie released 2015-04-25 on Ubuntu 14.04

I'm running Ubuntu 14.04 and I would like to debootstrap debian jessie 8. I've found this tutorial and I tried , but it didn't work : from here : https://blog.lazy-evaluation.net/posts/linux/debian-armhf-bootstrap.html he says to do : # debootstrap --foreign --arch=armhf jess

Re: homebrew for debian or ubuntu

On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 5:25 PM Charles Curley wrote: > On Wed, 17 May 2023 14:02:22 -0700 > Dan Hitt wrote: > > > In a thread on backups, somebody mentioned backing up homebrew. > > > > So that means homebrew exists for linux, and that some active > > participants here use it. > [...] > Also, Ho

Re: homebrew for debian or ubuntu

On Wed, 17 May 2023 14:02:22 -0700 Dan Hitt wrote: > In a thread on backups, somebody mentioned backing up homebrew. > > So that means homebrew exists for linux, and that some active > participants here use it. Homebrew is a term for custom, one-off, or heavily customized. As in the now defunct

homebrew for debian or ubuntu

st on debian (or ubuntu), or packages whose versions are much newer on homebrew. So i'm wondering if there's a list somewhere whose rows are packages and whose columns are debian, ubuntu, and homebrew versions. This would be to see what advantages (if any) there are of using homebrew in

Re: debian 11 vs ubuntu 22

On 29/3/23 13:02, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 10:05:28AM +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: cor...@free.fr writes: Dear list, Though I have been using debian 11 for long days, I want to give a try on ubuntu 22.04. Do you know what's the main difference for these two syste

Re: debian 11 vs ubuntu 22

On 29/3/23 08:49, cor...@free.fr wrote: Dear list, Though I have been using debian 11 for long days, I want to give a try on ubuntu 22.04. Do you know what's the main difference for these two systems on dev/ops environment? Thanks Corey Hickman What exactly is your objective use?

Re: debian 11 vs ubuntu 22

On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 02:44:18PM +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: > I did mean that 10 years of security updates. > Most Ubuntu users know this news, i think. Perhaps they would, though I have my doubts about *most*. Regardless, this isn't an Ubuntu list so no Ubuntu knowledge should

Re: debian 11 vs ubuntu 22

On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 03:02:12PM +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: [...] > Thank you for kind test, tomas! My pleasure. > Also i like GNU bash very much, indeed. Still, the question remains: what will be the bash version in year 2033? Cheers -- tomás signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: debian 11 vs ubuntu 22

writes: > On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 10:05:28AM +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: >> cor...@free.fr writes: >> >> > Dear list, >> > >> > Though I have been using debian 11 for long days, I want to give a try >> > on ubuntu 22.04. >> > Do

Re: debian 11 vs ubuntu 22

Tom Furie writes: > On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 10:05:28AM +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: > >> I have experience both Ubuntu and Debian. Google cloud vm is running >> Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (+ESM). Then my desktop is Debian 11 under Chromebook. >> >> Ubuntu's advantage

Re: debian 11 vs ubuntu 22

On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 10:05:28AM +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: > I have experience both Ubuntu and Debian. Google cloud vm is running > Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (+ESM). Then my desktop is Debian 11 under Chromebook. > > Ubuntu's advantage is 10 years. I can't interpret what

Re: debian 11 vs ubuntu 22

On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 10:05:28AM +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: > cor...@free.fr writes: > > > Dear list, > > > > Though I have been using debian 11 for long days, I want to give a try > > on ubuntu 22.04. > > Do you know what's the main differ

Re: debian 11 vs ubuntu 22

2023-03-29 5:49 GMT+05:00, cor...@free.fr : > Though I have been using debian 11 for long days, I want to give a try > on ubuntu 22.04. > Do you know what's the main difference for these two systems on dev/ops > environment? Ubuntu more quickly upgrades to fresh versions an

Re: debian 11 vs ubuntu 22

cor...@free.fr writes: > Dear list, > > Though I have been using debian 11 for long days, I want to give a try > on ubuntu 22.04. > Do you know what's the main difference for these two systems on > dev/ops environment? I have experience both Ubuntu and Debian. Google clo

debian 11 vs ubuntu 22

Dear list, Though I have been using debian 11 for long days, I want to give a try on ubuntu 22.04. Do you know what's the main difference for these two systems on dev/ops environment? Thanks Corey Hickman

Re: Getting PC with Ubuntu; change to Debian?

Hello again: I'm just getting around to firing up my new laptop (Lenovo X1 Carbon Gen 10), which came with Ubuntu installed. (By the way, I appreciate all of the feedback I got.) Although Ubuntu is a Debian-derivative, I didn't much care for the feel of it. This is entirely subjective,

Upgrades of Debian and Ubuntu

On 16/02/2023 14:59, Nicolas George wrote: Debian is not Ubuntu, major upgrade do not break the system. Perhaps the issue is not Ubuntu per se, but e.g. number of 3rd-party repositories. Ubuntu users may be more frequently affected by suggestions to add a ppa repository. I have heard

Re: Higher power consumption in Debian than in Ubuntu - ASPM disabled instead of enabled for 2 modules (lspci), but why?

On Mittwoch, 21. Dezember 2022 18:37:20 CET you wrote: > Dear all, > > Comparing power consumption with powertop for a brand new Dell laptop I > found out that Debian is consuming about 6 Watts while Ubuntu is consuming > 3 Watts (idle). Comparing configs I just found out that ls

Higher power consumption in Debian than in Ubuntu - ASPM disabled instead of enabled for 2 modules (lspci), but why?

Dear all, Comparing power consumption with powertop for a brand new Dell laptop I found out that Debian is consuming about 6 Watts while Ubuntu is consuming 3 Watts (idle). Comparing configs I just found out that lspci -vv reports ASPM enabled 6 x for Ubuntu and 4 x for Debian. The differences

Re: Dell Precision 3570 - Debian instead of Ubuntu - follow-up: why is Debian power consumption so much higher?

B.M. wrote: ... > Any ideas what I could do to get Debian to be as power efficient as Ubuntu= > ? aside from what other people have already said, if there are any devices that you are not going to use that you can turn off in the bios that might help further (you mention bluetooth but p

Re: Dell Precision 3570 - Debian instead of Ubuntu - follow-up: why is Debian power consumption so much higher?

On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 8:54 AM B.M. wrote: > Hi, > > I've got a brand new Dell Precision 3570 Laptop with Ubuntu 20.04 LTS pre- > installed. After figuring out recovery partition and tools, I installed > Debian > Testing (Bookworm) side-by-side (since using a live mediu

Dell Precision 3570 - Debian instead of Ubuntu - follow-up: why is Debian power consumption so much higher?

Hi, I've got a brand new Dell Precision 3570 Laptop with Ubuntu 20.04 LTS pre- installed. After figuring out recovery partition and tools, I installed Debian Testing (Bookworm) side-by-side (since using a live medium doesn't really work because it's based on Stable which isn&#

Re: Dell Precision 3570 - Debian instead of Ubuntu

I'm in a similar position for a Dell workstation at work. I decided to keep it as it came, with ubuntu 20.04. Some annoying niggles/differences compared with Debian which I use on all of my other systems but as this system acts as a server mostly, they are not particularly worrying.

Re: Dell Precision 3570 - Debian instead of Ubuntu

keyboard layout, time zone. It > also > let me create a recovery USB stick. After a reboot I now could just > use > it. But of course I had a look behind the scenes...: > > It came with Ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS and Gnome 3.36.8 running on X11. > > The internal disk is formatte

Re: Dell Precision 3570 - Debian instead of Ubuntu

could just use it. But of course I had a look behind the scenes...: It came with Ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS and Gnome 3.36.8 running on X11. The internal disk is formatted as - 891 MB EFI mounted at /boot/efi - 8.6 GB FAT not mounted, disks reports it as "Microsoft Reserved" - 503 GB Ext4 Root

Re: Getting PC with Ubuntu; change to Debian?

Greg Wooledge writes: > However, if a newer X server, Mesa or whatever else is also needed, then > it might be worth trying to run testing. Indeed. I've run into trouble with backports kernels since apparently the kernel team doesn't give a damn about what other packages break with an updated ke

Re: Getting PC with Ubuntu; change to Debian?

On Mon, Dec 05, 2022 at 07:45:52PM -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > According to: https://ubuntu.com/certified/202204-30215 > > This system was tested with 20.04 LTS, running the 5.14.0-1033-oem kernel. > > If you got the X1 Carbon Gen 10 then you will likely need to install > Debian Testin

Re: Getting PC with Ubuntu; change to Debian?

2000's for sure); and I've had Lenovo laptops for > > ages too. I finally need to replace my main laptop (an at least 10-year > old > > ThinkPad), so I've bought an X1 from Lenovo, with Ubuntu pre-installed > (to > > be delivered in January). > > &

Re: Getting PC with Ubuntu; change to Debian?

On Sun, Dec 4, 2022 at 9:52 PM Patrick Wiseman wrote: > > ... And, although I'm a rare participant on this list, I enjoy the lurk and > would presumably need to go elsewhere if I had questions about my Ubuntu > experience. Ubuntu-users (https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/list

Re: Getting PC with Ubuntu; change to Debian?

ally need to replace my main laptop (an at least 10-year old > ThinkPad), so I've bought an X1 from Lenovo, with Ubuntu pre-installed (to > be delivered in January). > If you know which chipsets are in it, either should work. I'd hope the Ubuntu supplied was the latest LTS -

Re: Getting PC with Ubuntu; change to Debian?

y main laptop (an at least 10-year old ThinkPad), so I've bought an X1 from Lenovo, with Ubuntu pre-installed (to be delivered in January). So, a question. Should I side-grade to Debian (and, if so, how easy would it be to do that?)? Or will I be happy with Ubuntu (which is, after all, a D

Re: Getting PC with Ubuntu; change to Debian?

ThinkPad), so I've bought an X1 from Lenovo, with Ubuntu pre-installed (to be delivered in January). So, a question. Should I side-grade to Debian (and, if so, how easy would it be to do that?)? Or will I be happy with Ubuntu (which is, after all, a Debian derivative)? What is a s

Re: Getting PC with Ubuntu; change to Debian?

ain laptop (an at least 10-year old > ThinkPad), so I've bought an X1 from Lenovo, with Ubuntu pre-installed (to > be delivered in January). > > So, a question. Should I side-grade to Debian (and, if so, how easy would > it be to do that?)? Or will I be happy with Ubuntu (which is, af

Getting PC with Ubuntu; change to Debian?

t an X1 from Lenovo, with Ubuntu pre-installed (to be delivered in January). So, a question. Should I side-grade to Debian (and, if so, how easy would it be to do that?)? Or will I be happy with Ubuntu (which is, after all, a Debian derivative)? I'm very familiar and comfortable with Debian (

Re: Dell Precision 3570 - Debian instead of Ubuntu

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 10:04:33 +0100 "B.M." wrote: > I'm going to buy a Dell Precision 3570 laptop in the next couple of > weeks. Since it's a Build Your Own device, I can order it with Ubuntu > 20.04 LTS pre- installed instead of paying for an never used Win 11 &

Re: Dell Precision 3570 - Debian instead of Ubuntu

On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 10:04:33AM +0100, B.M. wrote: > Hi, > Hi Bernd, > I'm going to buy a Dell Precision 3570 laptop in the next couple of weeks. > Since it's a Build Your Own device, I can order it with Ubuntu 20.04 LTS pre- > installed instead of paying

Re: Dell Precision 3570 - Debian instead of Ubuntu

B.M. writes: I'm going to buy a Dell Precision 3570 laptop in the next couple of weeks. Since it's a Build Your Own device, I can order it with Ubuntu 20.04 LTS pre- [...] the machine should work well - but who knows? How would you proceed? [...] b) replace Ubuntu by Debian

Re: Dell Precision 3570 - Debian instead of Ubuntu

Hi, B.M. wrote: > Since all our other computers are happily running Debian, I'd like to replace > this Ubuntu by Debian Testing (later Bookworm). I've already decided to run it > on a single btrfs partition and learn something about subvolumes... I assume > the machine shou

Re: Dell Precision 3570 - Debian instead of Ubuntu

On 11/28/22 11:04, B.M. wrote: Hi, I'm going to buy a Dell Precision 3570 laptop in the next couple of weeks. Since it's a Build Your Own device, I can order it with Ubuntu 20.04 LTS pre- installed instead of paying for an never used Win 11 :-) Since all our other computers are happi

Re: Dell Precision 3570 - Debian instead of Ubuntu

Am 28.11.2022 10:04, schrieb B.M.: Hi, I'm going to buy a Dell Precision 3570 laptop [...] How would you proceed? [...] e) other... Thank you for your ideas. Maybe as an option: If there are special drivers needed, patches to the kernel, etc., you can run Debian on the Ubuntu kern

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