Re: OT - The impossibility of impossibility - Re: OT- Relativistic mechanics and such - was - Re: tbird problem

On 6/7/25 1:58 PM, Bret Busby wrote: "Engineers once believed flying at the speed of sound would be impossible" I've been following this thread intermittently during my vacation. And almost immediately, this quote from Arthur C. Clarke came to mind: If an elderly but distinguished scientist

Re: OT- Relativistic mechanics and such - was - Re: tbird problem

please observe the code of conduct On June 8, 2025 11:46:24 AM EDT, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: >On Sat, Jun 7, 2025, 9:56 PM gene heskett wrote: > >> >> My next door neighbor about 20 years >> younger took the first shot and within about 90 days lost half a lung. >> Today there are folks in

Re: OT - The impossibility of impossibility - Re: OT- Relativistic mechanics and such - was - Re: tbird problem

On Saturday, June 07, 2025 04:58:04 PM Bret Busby wrote: > "Engineers once believed flying at the speed of sound would be impossible" > - https://www.history.com People once believed that a person could not travel on an (old fashioned steam engine train) as at such high speeds (20-30 mph??) the b

Re: OT- Relativistic mechanics and such - was - Re: tbird problem

On Sat, Jun 7, 2025, 9:56 PM gene heskett wrote: > > My next door neighbor about 20 years > younger took the first shot and within about 90 days lost half a lung. > Today there are folks in their 40's and 50's here in northern WV falling > over at 2 to 4 a day, twice the rate compared to a de

Re: OT - The impossibility of impossibility - Re: OT- Relativistic mechanics and such - was - Re: tbird problem

On 2025-06-07, Bret Busby wrote: >> >> No amount of wishful thinking will persuade the universe to change the laws >> of >> physics. >> > "Engineers once believed flying at the speed of sound would be impossible" > - https://www.history.com It seems wormholes are theoretically possible and con

Re: OT- Relativistic mechanics and such - was - Re: tbird problem

It's bad enough that this small group of selfish people feel that the rest of us and the archives needs tens of messages of them debating relativity with each other, but… On Sat, Jun 07, 2025 at 10:55:20PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > Considering that shot has killed well over a million to date …

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On Sat, Jun 7, 2025, 9:56 PM gene heskett wrote: > On 6/7/25 19:14, Van Snyder wrote: > > On Sat, 2025-06-07 at 13:19 -0400, gene heskett wrote: > >> People who make you > >> actually think are the best. Not because they teach facts, but > >> because > >> they make you think and reach your own op

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On 6/7/25 19:14, Van Snyder wrote: On Sat, 2025-06-07 at 13:19 -0400, gene heskett wrote: People who make you actually think are the best. Not because they teach facts, but because they make you think and reach your own opinion. Read John Droz Jr's columns about critical thinking at https://cri

Re: OT- Relativistic mechanics and such - was - Re: tbird problem

Van Snyder writes: >Radation has mass, as can be seen from m = E/c^2. Radiation has momentum but no mass. The correct full equation is E^2 = (p^2)*(c^2) + (m^2)*(c^4) where E is energy, p is momentum, c is the speed of light in a vacuum, and m is rest mass. For massive particles moving at low

Re: OT- Relativistic mechanics and such - was - Re: tbird problem

On Sat, 2025-06-07 at 17:23 -0400, Lee Winter wrote: > Based on those documents, can you describe "how it works"?  The > documents don't.  They just assert that all radiation reduces the > mass of the black hole.  How is that reduction accomplished?  Radation has mass, as can be seen from m = E/c

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On Sat, 2025-06-07 at 14:05 -0400, Lee Winter wrote: > An example of that kind of dislocation is Steven Hawking. > > Clearly he was quite brilliant.  But just as clearly (according to > me) he was quite WRONG about what is now known as "Hawking > radiation". > > The issue is that he predicted the

Re: OT- Relativistic mechanics and such - was - Re: tbird problem

On Sat, 2025-06-07 at 13:19 -0400, gene heskett wrote: > People who make you > actually think are the best. Not because they teach facts, but > because > they make you think and reach your own opinion. Read John Droz Jr's columns about critical thinking at https://criticallythinking.substack.com

Re: OT- Relativistic mechanics and such - was - Re: tbird problem

Based on those documents, can you describe "how it works"? The documents don't. They just assert that all radiation reduces the mass of the black hole. How is that reduction accomplished? On Sat, Jun 7, 2025 at 4:45 PM John Hasler wrote: > Lee Winter writes: > > The issue is that he predicted

Re: OT - The impossibility of impossibility - Re: OT- Relativistic mechanics and such - was - Re: tbird problem

On 7/6/25 21:05, Alain D D Williams wrote: On Sat, Jun 07, 2025 at 08:32:55PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: You could not reach the speed of light Ah, yes, ... and man can never fly... We are bound by the laws of physics, just because you really, really, really want to dodge round them does not

Re: OT- Relativistic mechanics and such - was - Re: tbird problem

Lee Winter writes: > The issue is that he predicted the "evaporation" of black holes by > some quantum events near the event horizon. But if you look at it > carefully you have some quantum recipe for depositing some exotic > (negative mass) objects into the black hole. It doesn't have to be > ma

Re: OT- Relativistic mechanics and such - was - Re: tbird problem

On 6/7/25 06:30, Bret Busby wrote: On 7/6/25 18:14, Bret Busby wrote: On 7/6/25 17:26, gene heskett wrote: On 6/7/25 02:52, Bret Busby wrote: It is all relative... Yes it is, but you would be amazed at the supposedly intelligent people who will argue the a 5 foot long low uhf band klystro

Re: OT- Relativistic mechanics and such - was - Re: tbird problem

An example of that kind of dislocation is Steven Hawking. Clearly he was quite brilliant. But just as clearly (according to me) he was quite WRONG about what is now known as "Hawking radiation". The issue is that he predicted the "evaporation" of black holes by some quantum events near the event

Re: OT- Relativistic mechanics and such - was - Re: tbird problem

On 6/7/25 06:16, Bret Busby wrote: On 7/6/25 17:26, gene heskett wrote: On 6/7/25 02:52, Bret Busby wrote: It is all relative... Yes it is, but you would be amazed at the supposedly intelligent people who will argue the a 5 foot long low uhf band klystron amplifier as used until the 1985 ti

Re: OT - The impossibility of impossibility - Re: OT- Relativistic mechanics and such - was - Re: tbird problem

On Sat, 2025-06-07 at 14:05 +0100, Alain D D Williams wrote: > No one ever said that talking computers were impossible. Yes: we did > not know > how to do it, tech has since progressed. So how is this relevant ? IBM introduced the 7770 and 7772 Audio Response Units in January 1964. The computer to

Re: tbird problem

On 2025-06-06, Andy Smith wrote: > > $ env | grep XDG_ > This command is much more informative than Dan Ritter's (which revealed nothing here). I mean, just saying. XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=LXDE

Re: OT - The impossibility of impossibility - Re: OT- Relativistic mechanics and such - was - Re: tbird problem

On Sat, Jun 07, 2025 at 09:22:11PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > > No amount of wishful thinking will persuade the universe to change the laws > > of > > physics. > > > > So, you contend that "the universe" is a cognitive entity? No. My use of the word "persuade" was figurative. -- Alain Willia

Re: OT - The impossibility of impossibility - Re: OT- Relativistic mechanics and such - was - Re: tbird problem

On Sat, Jun 7, 2025, 7:34 AM Bret Busby wrote: > > And, remember - the breaking of the enigma code, was regarded as > impossible, and, without the trying to break the code, and, the actions > of Alan Turing and Joan Clark and their team, we would not have these > devices named electronic computer

Re: OT - The impossibility of impossibility - Re: OT- Relativistic mechanics and such - was - Re: tbird problem

On 7/6/25 21:05, Alain D D Williams wrote: On Sat, Jun 07, 2025 at 08:32:55PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: You could not reach the speed of light Ah, yes, ... and man can never fly... We are bound by the laws of physics, just because you really, really, really want to dodge round them does not

Re: OT - The impossibility of impossibility - Re: OT- Relativistic mechanics and such - was - Re: tbird problem

On Sat, Jun 07, 2025 at 08:32:55PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > > You could not reach the speed of light > > Ah, yes, ... and man can never fly... We are bound by the laws of physics, just because you really, really, really want to dodge round them does not mean that you can. This is not politics

Re: tbird problem

On 2025-06-06, Dan Ritter wrote: > gene heskett wrote: >> The fly in that soup is that although I thought I''ve installed xfce4 as a >> task, htop does not find anything xfce4 listed as running.  AND all the >> fetch this and that stuff that has been listed in this thread, supposedly >> made to t

OT - The impossibility of impossibility - Re: OT- Relativistic mechanics and such - was - Re: tbird problem

On 7/6/25 18:56, Alain D D Williams wrote: On Sat, Jun 07, 2025 at 06:14:55PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: According to the Doppler theory (I believe it was - this is from some decades ago), if you would be travelling toward a set of traffic lights, at the speed of light, You could not reach the

Re: OT- Relativistic mechanics and such - was - Re: tbird problem

On 7/6/25 19:42, Thomas Schmitt wrote: (There is a Nobel prize waiting for those who can explain why the Higgs bosons jostle so much around fast moving objects of non-zero rest mass ...) That seems like a mutiny by Higgs' bosun... ;) .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ...

Re: OT- Relativistic mechanics and such - was - Re: tbird problem

Hi, Bret Busby wrote: > if you would be travelling toward a set of traffic lights, at > the speed of light, and the traffic lights were red, the Doppler effect > would cause them to appear green, Your don't need to travel with full lightspeed to make red light green. The wavelength change would b

Re: OT- Relativistic mechanics and such - was - Re: tbird problem

On Sat, Jun 07, 2025 at 06:14:55PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > According to the Doppler theory (I believe it was - this is from some > decades ago), if you would be travelling toward a set of traffic lights, at > the speed of light, You could not reach the speed of light > and the traffic lights

Re: OT- Relativistic mechanics and such - was - Re: tbird problem

On 7/6/25 18:14, Bret Busby wrote: On 7/6/25 17:26, gene heskett wrote: On 6/7/25 02:52, Bret Busby wrote: It is all relative... Yes it is, but you would be amazed at the supposedly intelligent people who will argue the a 5 foot long low uhf band klystron amplifier as used until the 1985 ti

OT- Relativistic mechanics and such - was - Re: tbird problem

On 7/6/25 17:26, gene heskett wrote: On 6/7/25 02:52, Bret Busby wrote: It is all relative... Yes it is, but you would be amazed at the supposedly intelligent people who will argue the a 5 foot long low uhf band klystron amplifier as used until the 1985 time frame, is immune to E=MV2 math.

Re: tbird problem

On 6/7/25 02:52, Bret Busby wrote: It is all relative... Yes it is, but you would be amazed at the supposedly intelligent people who will argue the a 5 foot long low uhf band klystron amplifier as used until the 1985 time frame, is immune to E=MV2 math. extremely off topic, but possibly edu

Re: tbird problem

On 7/6/25 13:29, gene heskett wrote: On 6/6/25 23:48, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Fri, Jun 6, 2025 at 11:30 PM nsrxnst wrote: Let me Google that for you: . this is inappropriate Try this instead:

Re: tbird problem

On 6/6/25 23:48, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Fri, Jun 6, 2025 at 11:30 PM nsrxnst wrote: Let me Google that for you: . this is inappropriate Try this instead: . Jeff So is the ab

Re: tbird problem

On Fri, Jun 6, 2025 at 11:30 PM nsrxnst wrote: > > > Let me Google that for you: > > . > > > > this is inappropriate Try this instead: . Jeff

Re: tbird problem

On Fri, Jun 06, 2025 at 20:34:29 -0400, gene heskett wrote: > What is fastfetch? I haven't the executable or the manpage for it Open a web browser. Make sure focus is on the URL bar. Type "manpages.debian.org/" and then put the name of a man page you think might exist. For example, you could ty

Re: tbird problem

Let me Google that for you: . Jeff this is inappropriate

Re: tbird problem

On 6/6/25 18:48, Andy Smith wrote: Hi, On Sat, Jun 07, 2025 at 06:03:59AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: This has been mentioned before - you have not explained why you have not tried it. Someone even did the google search for you, and, posted the link. I do not know how far you expect people to

Re: tbird problem

Hi, On Fri, Jun 06, 2025 at 08:26:01PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > gene@coyote:~$ env | grep XDG_ > XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/home/gene/.config/kdedefaults:/etc/xdg:/usr/share/desktop-base/kf5-settings > XDG_SEAT=seat0 > XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP=plasma > XDG_SESSION_TYPE=x11 > XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=KDE I'm glad

Re: tbird problem

On 6/6/25 18:05, Bret Busby wrote: On 7/6/25 02:52, gene heskett wrote: On 6/6/25 14:44, Dan Ritter wrote: ps auwx | grep wm gene@coyote:~$ ps auwx | grep wm gene        3863  0.0  0.3 924916 109904 ?       Sl   07:10  0:00 /usr/bin/akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent --identifier akonadi_newmai

Re: tbird problem

On 6/6/25 16:53, Andy Smith wrote: Hi, On Fri, Jun 06, 2025 at 04:09:57PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: On 6/6/25 15:27, Dan Ritter wrote: You may be running Wayland instead of X. Afirmative according to synaptic which won't run on wayland w/o the magic in the menu's. Let's have some facts th

Re: tbird problem

On 6/6/25 15:18, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: gene heskett wrote: On 6/6/25 14:44, Dan Ritter wrote: ps auwx | grep wm gene@coyote:~$ ps auwx | grep wm gene        3863  0.0  0.3 924916 109904 ?       Sl   07:10   0:00 /usr/bin/akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent --identifier akonadi_newmail

Re: tbird problem

On 7/6/25 06:47, Andy Smith wrote: Hi, On Sat, Jun 07, 2025 at 06:03:59AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: This has been mentioned before - you have not explained why you have not tried it. Someone even did the google search for you, and, posted the link. I do not know how far you expect people to go

Re: tbird problem

Hi, On Sat, Jun 07, 2025 at 06:03:59AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > This has been mentioned before - you have not explained why you have not > tried it. > > Someone even did the google search for you, and, posted the link. > > I do not know how far you expect people to go, to do for you what you n

Re: tbird problem

On 7/6/25 02:52, gene heskett wrote: On 6/6/25 14:44, Dan Ritter wrote: ps auwx | grep wm gene@coyote:~$ ps auwx | grep wm gene        3863  0.0  0.3 924916 109904 ?       Sl   07:10   0:00 /usr/bin/akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent --identifier akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent gene       22155  0.

Re: tbird problem

Hi, On Fri, Jun 06, 2025 at 04:09:57PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > On 6/6/25 15:27, Dan Ritter wrote: > > You may be running Wayland instead of X. > Afirmative according to synaptic which won't run on wayland w/o the magic in > the menu's. Let's have some facts then. Please show us the output of

Re: tbird problem

On 6/6/25 15:27, Dan Ritter wrote: gene heskett wrote: On 6/6/25 14:44, Dan Ritter wrote: ps auwx | grep wm gene@coyote:~$ ps auwx | grep wm gene        3863  0.0  0.3 924916 109904 ?       Sl   07:10   0:00 /usr/bin/akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent --identifier akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent ge

Re: tbird problem

gene heskett wrote: > On 6/6/25 14:44, Dan Ritter wrote: > > ps auwx | grep wm > gene@coyote:~$ ps auwx | grep wm > gene        3863  0.0  0.3 924916 109904 ?       Sl   07:10   0:00 > /usr/bin/akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent --identifier > akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent > gene       22155  0.0  0.0 

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gene heskett wrote: > On 6/6/25 14:44, Dan Ritter wrote: > > ps auwx | grep wm > gene@coyote:~$ ps auwx | grep wm > gene        3863  0.0  0.3 924916 109904 ?       Sl   07:10   0:00 > /usr/bin/akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent --identifier > akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent > gene       22155  0.0 

Re: tbird problem

gene heskett wrote: > The fly in that soup is that although I thought I''ve installed xfce4 as a > task, htop does not find anything xfce4 listed as running.  AND all the > fetch this and that stuff that has been listed in this thread, supposedly > made to tell what is runnin, are not installed to

Re: tbird problem

On 6/6/25 14:44, Dan Ritter wrote: ps auwx | grep wm gene@coyote:~$ ps auwx | grep wm gene        3863  0.0  0.3 924916 109904 ?       Sl   07:10   0:00 /usr/bin/akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent --identifier akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent gene       22155  0.0  0.0   6408  2216 pts/11   S+   14:4

Re: tbird problem

On 6/6/25 12:50, Eben King wrote: On 6/3/25 16:27, gene heskett wrote: I'm using tbird 139, and it has grown vertically to expect the full screen of 1040 lines, meaning the bottom 2 tect lines that tbird uses for advirory msgs of attachment showing, are covered by the pager list and other su

Re: tbird problem

On 6/3/25 16:27, gene heskett wrote: I'm using tbird 139, and it has grown vertically to expect the full screen of 1040 lines, meaning the bottom 2 tect lines that tbird uses for advirory msgs of attachment showing, are covered by the pager list and other such things at the bottom of my work

Re: tbird problem

On 6/5/25 09:09, Greg wrote: On 2025-06-04, gene heskett wrote: Well, what I have I can use, I just have to learn this new way to use it. Maybe Tbird's in "Fullscreen" rather than being "Maximized" (F11). And not, I currently have it so I can grab and move all 4 edges. Thanks Greg. Cheers,

Re: tbird problem

On 2025-06-04, gene heskett wrote: > > Well, what I have I can use, I just have to learn this new way to use it. Maybe Tbird's in "Fullscreen" rather than being "Maximized" (F11). > Thanks Greg. > > Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.

Re: tbird problem

On 6/4/25 13:27, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Jun 04, 2025 at 11:49:21 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: I'm using tbird 139, and it has grown vertically to expect the full screen of 1040 lines, meaning the bottom 2 tect lines that tbird uses for advirory msgs of attachment showing, are covered by th

Re: tbird problem

On Wed, Jun 4, 2025 at 2:09 PM wrote: > > > At some point, it may be worth taking a screen shot of whatever problems > > you're seeing, and putting it somewhere on the web. (Don't try to attach > > it to an email to this list; it'll be too big, and the list will probably > > reject it.) > > someo

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> At some point, it may be worth taking a screen shot of whatever problems > you're seeing, and putting it somewhere on the web. (Don't try to attach > it to an email to this list; it'll be too big, and the list will probably > reject it.) someone recently pointed me to this service if you don't

Re: tbird problem

On Wed, Jun 04, 2025 at 11:49:21 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > I'm using tbird 139, and it has grown vertically to expect the full screen > > of 1040 lines, meaning the bottom 2 tect lines that tbird uses for advirory > > msgs of attachment showing, are covered by the pager list and other such >

Re: tbird problem

> I'm using tbird 139, and it has grown vertically to expect the full screen > of 1040 lines, meaning the bottom 2 tect lines that tbird uses for advirory > msgs of attachment showing, are covered by the pager list and other such > things at the bottom of my workspace. A shot in the dark: Assumin

Re: tbird problem

On 6/4/25 05:28, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: gene heskett wrote: On 6/3/25 17:06, Darac Marjal wrote: On 03/06/2025 21:27, gene heskett wrote: I'm using tbird 139, and it has grown vertically to expect the full screen of 1040 lines, meaning the bottom 2 tect lines that tbird uses for ad

Re: tbird problem

gene heskett wrote: > On 6/3/25 17:06, Darac Marjal wrote: > > On 03/06/2025 21:27, gene heskett wrote: > >> I'm using tbird 139, and it has grown vertically to expect the > >> full screen of 1040 lines, meaning the bottom 2 tect lines that > >> tbird uses for advirory msgs of attachment showing

Re: tbird problem

On 6/3/25 19:51, Bret Busby wrote: On 4/6/25 07:48, gene heskett wrote: On 6/3/25 17:30, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Tue, Jun 03, 2025 at 22:05:33 +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: On 03/06/2025 21:27, gene heskett wrote: I'm using tbird 139, and it has grown vertically to expect the full screen of 1040

Re: tbird problem

On Tue, Jun 3, 2025 at 10:22 PM gene heskett wrote: > [...] > > Try fastfetch - superseded neofetch - that will show the relevant > > system information for the interface. > gene@coyote:~$ fastfetch > > bash: fastfetch: command not found > > What package might it be in? Thanks Bret. Let me Google

Re: tbird problem

On 4/6/25 07:48, gene heskett wrote: On 6/3/25 17:30, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Tue, Jun 03, 2025 at 22:05:33 +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: On 03/06/2025 21:27, gene heskett wrote: I'm using tbird 139, and it has grown vertically to expect the full screen of 1040 lines, meaning the bottom 2 tect li

Re: tbird problem

On 6/3/25 17:30, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Tue, Jun 03, 2025 at 22:05:33 +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: On 03/06/2025 21:27, gene heskett wrote: I'm using tbird 139, and it has grown vertically to expect the full screen of 1040 lines, meaning the bottom 2 tect lines that tbird uses for advirory msgs

Re: tbird problem

On 6/3/25 17:06, Darac Marjal wrote: On 03/06/2025 21:27, gene heskett wrote: I'm using tbird 139, and it has grown vertically to expect the full screen of 1040 lines, meaning the bottom 2 tect lines that tbird uses for advirory msgs of attachment showing, are covered by the pager list and oth

Re: tbird problem

On 4/6/25 06:43, Bret Busby wrote: On 4/6/25 05:29, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Tue, Jun 03, 2025 at 22:05:33 +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: On 03/06/2025 21:27, gene heskett wrote: I'm using tbird 139, and it has grown vertically to expect the full screen of 1040 lines, meaning the bottom 2 tect line

Re: tbird problem

On 4/6/25 05:29, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Tue, Jun 03, 2025 at 22:05:33 +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: On 03/06/2025 21:27, gene heskett wrote: I'm using tbird 139, and it has grown vertically to expect the full screen of 1040 lines, meaning the bottom 2 tect lines that tbird uses for advirory msgs

Re: tbird problem

On Tue, Jun 03, 2025 at 22:05:33 +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: > On 03/06/2025 21:27, gene heskett wrote: > > I'm using tbird 139, and it has grown vertically to expect the full > > screen of 1040 lines, meaning the bottom 2 tect lines that tbird uses > > for advirory msgs of attachment showing, are c

Re: tbird problem

On 03/06/2025 21:27, gene heskett wrote: I'm using tbird 139, and it has grown vertically to expect the full screen of 1040 lines, meaning the bottom 2 tect lines that tbird uses for advirory msgs of attachment showing, are covered by the pager list and other such things at the bottom of my wor

tbird problem

I'm using tbird 139, and it has grown vertically to expect the full screen of 1040 lines, meaning the bottom 2 tect lines that tbird uses for advirory msgs of attachment showing, are covered by the pager list and other such things at the bottom of my workspace. How do I shrink that vertical ba