Re: possible cllue about this 30 second system freeze

2025-04-14 Thread gene heskett
On 4/14/25 11:51, Pocket wrote: On 4/14/25 11:04 AM, gene heskett wrote: On 4/14/25 09:18, Pocket wrote: On 4/14/25 8:35 AM, gene heskett wrote: But while there is a call to docker on an ipv4 address starting with 172 in the trace output, I don't recall ever setting up docker on this s

Re: possible cllue about this 30 second system freeze

2025-04-14 Thread gene heskett
On 4/14/25 09:18, Pocket wrote: On 4/14/25 8:35 AM, gene heskett wrote: But while there is a call to docker on an ipv4 address starting with 172 in the trace output, I don't recall ever setting up docker on this system.  So who can help me check to see if its missing and this freeze is

Re: possible cllue about this 30 second system freeze

2025-04-14 Thread gene heskett
172.17.0.1 linkdown 192.168.71.0/24 dev eno1 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.71.3 metric 100 net 172.17.0.1/16 brd 172.17.255.255 scope global docker0        valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever show on your system? At last, some output :) OK - docker0 interface is not up. It looks as if doc

Re: possible cllue about this 30 second system freeze

2025-04-13 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
docker0: mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state > DOWN group default > >     link/ether 02:42:94:fc:f4:45 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff > > gene@coyote:~$ ip r > default via 192.168.71.1 dev eno1 proto static metric 100 > 172.17.0.0/16 dev docker0 proto kernel scope link src 172.17.0.1 li

Re: possible cllue about this 30 second system freeze

2025-04-13 Thread gene heskett
kernel scope link src 172.17.0.1 linkdown 192.168.71.0/24 dev eno1 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.71.3 metric 100 net 172.17.0.1/16 brd 172.17.255.255 scope global docker0        valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever show on your system? 4. Do you have docker (or podman or buldah) on y

Re: Broken file system?

2025-04-13 Thread Nicolas George
pe...@easthope.ca (HE12025-04-13): > [0.463676] ---[ end Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root > fs on "/dev/sda6" or unknown-block(0,0) ]--- > My best guess is that the drive or file system is broken. My better guess is that your kernel does not see your d

Broken file system?

2025-04-13 Thread peter
(outside TXT) disabled by BIOS ... [0.463676] ---[ end Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on "/dev/sda6" or unknown-block(0,0) ]--- My best guess is that the drive or file system is broken. I can connect the drive to a working system and apply fsck. If that fails,

Re: possible cllue about this 30 second system freeze

2025-04-13 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
2. Do you actually *have* orcaslicer 2.3.0 installed - or is it left over from some previous attempt at installing something you later removed? 3. What does the command ip a show on your system? 4. Do you have docker (or podman or buldah) on your system? 5. Can you *show* us the output from stra

possible cllue about this 30 second system freeze

2025-04-13 Thread gene heskett
penchant for dragging feet about projects that s/b debs but for some reason don't fit the debian POV. But while there is a call to docker on an ipv4 address starting with 172 in the trace output, I don't recall ever setting up docker on this system.  So who can help me check to see if its m

Re: where does the this file belong on a debian 12 uptodate amd64 system?

2025-03-01 Thread tomas
On Sat, Mar 01, 2025 at 04:42:22PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > flathub.flatpakrepo Nowhere. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

where does the this file belong on a debian 12 uptodate amd64 system?

2025-03-01 Thread gene heskett
flathub.flatpakrepo Tnx. Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: after system update, gnome-calculator freezes

2025-02-21 Thread w f
> > That is probably the same problem as described here (including a > > solution): > > > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1059773 > > A work-around at any rate (pardon the pun). The solution/work-around (that worked for me) was in 1059773 ... using dconf to disable attempts to

Re: after system update, gnome-calculator freezes

2025-02-21 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Fri, Feb 21, 2025 at 3:37 PM w f wrote: > > Yesterday I ran a system update. Nothing major; just bits. Suddenly, > gnome-calculator no longer works. When launched, it freezes. After a few > seconds, I get a "'Calculator' is not responding." popup "Force

Re: after system update, gnome-calculator freezes

2025-02-21 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 17:52:27 + (UTC) w f wrote: > Yesterday I ran a system update. Nothing major; just bits. Suddenly, > gnome-calculator no longer works. When launched, it freezes. After a > few seconds, I get a "'Calculator' is not responding." popup "Fo

after system update, gnome-calculator freezes

2025-02-21 Thread w f
Yesterday I ran a system update. Nothing major; just bits. Suddenly, gnome-calculator no longer works. When launched, it freezes. After a few seconds, I get a "'Calculator' is not responding." popup "Force Quit" or "Wait." When I launch it from

Re: after system update, gnome-calculator freezes

2025-02-21 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2025 21 Feb 14:18 -0600, Jochen Spieker wrote: > w f: > > > > Yesterday I ran a system update. Nothing major; just bits. > > What "bits"? /var/log/apt contains more information. Most likely the libgnutls security updates. > > Suddenly, gnome-calculat

Re: after system update, gnome-calculator freezes

2025-02-21 Thread Jochen Spieker
w f: > > Yesterday I ran a system update. Nothing major; just bits. What "bits"? /var/log/apt contains more information. > Suddenly, gnome-calculator no longer works. When launched, it freezes. > After a few seconds, I get a "'Calculator' is not respo

Re: Anyone using a fixed KVM extender system for home use for one computer?

2025-01-26 Thread Greg
On 2025-01-23, Will Mengarini wrote: >> >> The max distance between the two Cat-5e outlets is no more than 25 ft. >> >> Any recommendations? > > The server will heat up the closet. In summer, the closet might > become hot enough to shut down the server, and even if it doesn't shut > it down, the

[SOLVED] Re: Debian 12 VLC leaves system sounds blocked

2025-01-26 Thread Roger Price
On Fri, 24 Jan 2025, e...@gmx.us wrote: > >> OK. My crontab has this: > >> > >> XDG_RUNTIME_DIR="/run/user/$(id -u)" > >> At the minute, no sound. I tried > >> id=$(id -u) > >> XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/$id > >> and > >> id=1000 > >> XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/$id > >> > >> and no dice. I tried

Re: List under surveillance? [WAS Re: Debian 12 VLC leaves system sounds blocked]

2025-01-25 Thread Greg
On 2025-01-24, Bret Busby wrote: >> >> I suspect it's coincidental / benign or a joke, given that it's a >> Microsoft-ism >> here. >> >> (Or maybe that's what they want you to think ;-) ) > > "We live in interesting times, where the only thing to fear, is the > government" > >:-< > > "Just bec

Re: Debian 12 VLC leaves system sounds blocked

2025-01-25 Thread Max Nikulin
session from system context. It might give some ideas. A message from it: Max Nikulin. Re: Change suspend type from kde menu. Sun, 7 Jan 2024 12:44:31 +0700. <https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/unddo0$pdh$1...@ciao.gmane.io>

Re: List under surveillance? [WAS Re: Debian 12 VLC leaves system sounds blocked]

2025-01-25 Thread Bret Busby
On 25/1/25 11:34, Will Mengarini wrote: On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 06:12:30AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: In viewing the full header of the above message (to try to find which country or timezone, is the origin of the message sent to the mailing list, for an extraneous reason), I observed a weird thin

Re: List under surveillance? [WAS Re: Debian 12 VLC leaves system sounds blocked]

2025-01-24 Thread tomas
On Fri, Jan 24, 2025 at 09:12:38PM -0600, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > On Fri, Jan 24, 2025, 5:05 PM Bret Busby wrote: > > > On 25/1/25 06:31, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I suspect it's coincidental / benign or a joke, given that it's a > > Microsoft-ism > > > here. > > > > >

Re: List under surveillance? [WAS Re: Debian 12 VLC leaves system sounds blocked]

2025-01-24 Thread Will Mengarini
On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 06:12:30AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: >> In viewing the full header of the above message (to try to find >> which country or timezone, is the origin of the message sent >> to the mailing list, for an extraneous reason), I observed a >> weird thing, that makes me wonder whether

Re: List under surveillance? [WAS Re: Debian 12 VLC leaves system sounds blocked]

2025-01-24 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Fri, Jan 24, 2025, 5:05 PM Bret Busby wrote: > On 25/1/25 06:31, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > > > > > I suspect it's coincidental / benign or a joke, given that it's a > Microsoft-ism > > here. > > > > (Or maybe that's what they want you to think ;-) ) > > > > Ah, yes. > > "We live in inter

Re: Debian 12 VLC leaves system sounds blocked

2025-01-24 Thread eben
On 1/24/25 17:46, Roger Price wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jan 2025, e...@gmx.us wrote: > >>> That works for me too, but not in cron. Could you create a temporary >>> personal >>> cron job with crontab -e which sets >>> >>> XDG_RUNTIME_DIR="/run/user/$(id -u)" >>> >>> and runs >>> >>> M H * * * aplay /u

Re: List under surveillance? [WAS Re: Debian 12 VLC leaves system sounds blocked]

2025-01-24 Thread Bret Busby
On 25/1/25 06:31, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: I suspect it's coincidental / benign or a joke, given that it's a Microsoft-ism here. (Or maybe that's what they want you to think ;-) ) Ah, yes. "We live in interesting times, where the only thing to fear, is the government" :-< "Just becau

Re: Debian 12 VLC leaves system sounds blocked

2025-01-24 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Jan 24, 2025 at 17:36:54 -0500, e...@gmx.us wrote: > OK. My crontab has this: > > XDG_RUNTIME_DIR="/run/user/$(id -u)" > > # m h dom mon dow command > * * 24 1 * aplay /export/media/sounds/woow1.wav > > At the minute, no sound. I tried > id=$(id -u) > XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/us

Re: Debian 12 VLC leaves system sounds blocked

2025-01-24 Thread Roger Price
On Fri, 24 Jan 2025, e...@gmx.us wrote: > > That works for me too, but not in cron. Could you create a temporary > > personal > > cron job with crontab -e which sets > > > > XDG_RUNTIME_DIR="/run/user/$(id -u)" > > > > and runs > > > > M H * * * aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Side_Left.wav > > >

Re: List under surveillance? [WAS Re: Debian 12 VLC leaves system sounds blocked]

2025-01-24 Thread Roger Price
On Fri, 24 Jan 2025, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > I suspect it's coincidental / benign or a joke, given that it's a > Microsoft-ism > here. On Sat, 25 Jan 2025, Bret Busby wrote: > "X-Message-Flag Supplemental report sent to reaper.nsa.gov. rc=0" This comes from a customized-hdrs entry in my .pine

Re: Debian 12 VLC leaves system sounds blocked

2025-01-24 Thread eben
On 1/24/25 16:58, Roger Price wrote: >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2025 at 13:52:00 -0500, e...@gmx.us wrote: >>> Maybe a difference in some software? I ran >>> eben@cerberus:~$ env - XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000 /usr/bin/aplay >>> /export/media/sounds/woow1.wav >>> Playing WAVE '/export/media/sounds/woow1

List under surveillance? [WAS Re: Debian 12 VLC leaves system sounds blocked]

2025-01-24 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 06:12:30AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > > In viewing the full header of the above message (to try to find which > country or timezone, is the origin of the message sent to the mailing list, > for an extraneous reason), I observed a weird thing, that makes me wonder > whether

Re: Debian 12 VLC leaves system sounds blocked

2025-01-24 Thread Jeffrey Walton
.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9353EFF803 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2025 21:58:09 + (UTC) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2025 22:58:08 +0100 (CET) From: Roger Price To: debian-user Mailing List Subject: Re: Debian 12 VLC leaves system sounds blocked In-Reply-To: <20250124191708.gc29...@wooledge.org>

Re: Debian 12 VLC leaves system sounds blocked

2025-01-24 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Jan 24, 2025 at 13:52:00 -0500, e...@gmx.us wrote: > Maybe a difference in some software? I ran > eben@cerberus:~$ env - XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000 /usr/bin/aplay > /export/media/sounds/woow1.wav > Playing WAVE '/export/media/sounds/woow1.wav' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 11025 > Hz, Mono >

Re: Debian 12 VLC leaves system sounds blocked

2025-01-24 Thread Bret Busby
On 25/1/25 05:58, Roger Price wrote: On Fri, Jan 24, 2025 at 13:52:00 -0500, e...@gmx.us wrote: Maybe a difference in some software? I ran eben@cerberus:~$ env - XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000 /usr/bin/aplay /export/media/sounds/woow1.wav Playing WAVE '/export/media/sounds/woow1.wav' : Unsigned

Re: Debian 12 VLC leaves system sounds blocked

2025-01-24 Thread Roger Price
> On Fri, Jan 24, 2025 at 13:52:00 -0500, e...@gmx.us wrote: > > Maybe a difference in some software? I ran > > eben@cerberus:~$ env - XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000 /usr/bin/aplay > > /export/media/sounds/woow1.wav > > Playing WAVE '/export/media/sounds/woow1.wav' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 11025 > >

Re: Debian 12 VLC leaves system sounds blocked

2025-01-24 Thread eben
On 1/24/25 13:33, Roger Price wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jan 2025, e...@gmx.us wrote: > >> On 1/24/25 09:47, Greg Wooledge wrote: >> >>> 2) At least one of my environment variables is required: >>> >>> So then the question is *which* environment variable it is. I would >>> suspect it's one of the XDG_ va

Re: Debian 12 VLC leaves system sounds blocked

2025-01-24 Thread Roger Price
On Fri, 24 Jan 2025, e...@gmx.us wrote: > On 1/24/25 09:47, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > 2) At least one of my environment variables is required: > > > > So then the question is *which* environment variable it is. I would > > suspect it's one of the XDG_ variables, > > I did it the other way, by

Re: Debian 12 VLC leaves system sounds blocked

2025-01-24 Thread eben
On 1/24/25 09:47, Greg Wooledge wrote: > 2) At least one of my environment variables is required: > > hobbit:~$ aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Side_Left.wav > Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Side_Left.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little > Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono > hobbit:~$ env - aplay /usr/share/

Re: Debian 12 VLC leaves system sounds blocked

2025-01-24 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Jan 24, 2025 at 15:37:56 +0100, Roger Price wrote: > I added export PULSE_RUNTIME_PATH="/run/user/$(id -u)/pulse" to bark.sh . > File /run/user/2108/pulse contains value 1309 and command > > rprice@maria ~ ps -ef | grep pulse > rprice 13091293 0 2024 ?05:45:10 /usr/bi

Re: Debian 12 VLC leaves system sounds blocked

2025-01-24 Thread Roger Price
On Fri, 24 Jan 2025, Dan Ritter wrote: > OK, PulseAudio takes over ALSA, and from then on, only sessions > with PA active can play sounds. That means that your shell can > do it, but your cron can't. > > Add this to your cron invocation or bark.sh. > > export PULSE_RUNTIME_PATH="/run/user/$(id -u

Re: Debian 12 VLC leaves system sounds blocked

2025-01-24 Thread Dan Ritter
Roger Price wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jan 2025, Dan Ritter wrote: > > > > On Fri, 24 Jan 2025, Roger Price wrote: > > > rprice@maria ~ /usr/local/bin/bark.sh 5 > > > bark.sh starts ... XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/2108 > > > bark.sh calls Biff ... XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/2108 > > > Playing Sparc Aud

Re: Anyone using a fixed KVM extender system for home use for one computer?

2025-01-24 Thread Frank Guthausen
On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 05:15:30 -0600 Tom Browder wrote: > On Fri, Jan 24, 2025 at 04:43 Frank Guthausen > wrote: ... > > > [x2go] > > I would still need some kind of mini-PC to be the client, correct? Yes. You can use any mini-PC or server or whatsoever to run headless with an X and x2go-server

Re: Debian 12 VLC leaves system sounds blocked

2025-01-24 Thread Roger Price
On Fri, 24 Jan 2025, Dan Ritter wrote: > > On Fri, 24 Jan 2025, Roger Price wrote: > > rprice@maria ~ /usr/local/bin/bark.sh 5 > > bark.sh starts ... XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/2108 > > bark.sh calls Biff ... XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/2108 > > Playing Sparc Audio '/mnt/home/rprice/bark/h5.au' :

Re: Anyone using a fixed KVM extender system for home use for one computer?

2025-01-24 Thread Tom Browder
On Fri, Jan 24, 2025 at 04:43 Frank Guthausen wrote: ... An option is: x2go > Thanks, I vaguely remember looking at that many years ago. Is it reasonaby usable? I would still need some kind of mini-PC to be the client, correct? -Tom

Re: Debian 12 VLC leaves system sounds blocked

2025-01-24 Thread Dan Ritter
Roger Price wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jan 2025, Roger Price wrote: > > > Is there some way of restoring system sound, short of rebooting ? > > I need to be more precise, It's the cron job which is blocked, manual > operation > still works correctly: > > rpri

Re: Anyone using a fixed KVM extender system for home use for one computer?

2025-01-24 Thread Frank Guthausen
On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 15:59:16 -0800 Will Mengarini wrote: > * Tom Browder [25-01/23=Th 16:00 -0600]: > > > > Any recommendations? > > [...] > > Perhaps other posters could comment on any alternatives to RDP. > Googling "X-forwarding" finds what looks like reasonable how-tos. > I don't know how

Re: Debian 12 VLC leaves system sounds blocked

2025-01-24 Thread Roger Price
On Fri, 24 Jan 2025, Roger Price wrote: > Is there some way of restoring system sound, short of rebooting ? I need to be more precise, It's the cron job which is blocked, manual operation still works correctly: rprice@maria ~ /usr/local/bin/bark.sh 5 bark.sh starts ... XDG_RUNTIME_

Debian 12 VLC leaves system sounds blocked

2025-01-24 Thread Roger Price
Before running VLC I hear system sounds, e.g. a cron job has Biff barking each hour. If I then play a music mp4 with VLC, I hear the music, but when the music stops I no longer hear Biff. VLC inhibits system sounds, and leaves the inhibition in place. VLC -> Tools -> Preferences -&

Re: Anyone using a fixed KVM extender system for home use for one computer?

2025-01-24 Thread mick.crane
On 2025-01-23 22:00, Tom Browder wrote: I'm still trying to solve an awkward office layout and keep control of wiring. I want to keep my main server in the closet but have the monitor, keyboard, and mouse (and speakers if possible) accessed via another cat-5 outlet across the room. Looking fo

Re: Anyone using a fixed KVM extender system for home use for one computer?

2025-01-23 Thread Will Mengarini
* Tom Browder [25-01/23=Th 16:00 -0600]: > I want to keep my main server in the closet but have the > monitor, keyboard, and mouse (and speakers if possible) > accessed via another cat-5 outlet across the room. > > Looking for the correct device is difficult for me > because of terminology. On my

Re: Anyone using a fixed KVM extender system for home use for one computer?

2025-01-23 Thread debian
They make KVM over IP aka KVM over Ethernet switches. I am not sure whether you can get the functionality for the additional devices (speakers & thumb drive). This setup will let you switch your keyboard, monitor & mouse between several computers (maybe one or more in the closet and one or mor

Anyone using a fixed KVM extender system for home use for one computer?

2025-01-23 Thread Tom Browder
I'm still trying to solve an awkward office layout and keep control of wiring. I want to keep my main server in the closet but have the monitor, keyboard, and mouse (and speakers if possible) accessed via another cat-5 outlet across the room. Looking for the correct device is difficult for me beca

Re: Recovery help needed for remote server: file system mounted read-only

2024-12-30 Thread Tim Woodall
On Mon, 30 Dec 2024, Tom Browder wrote: I've had this problem a long time ago, and don't remember how I recovered, but it was with help here. I suspect a failing disk, and I wonder if there is a hail Mary command I can do to force a reboot to see if it can recover on its own. I would almost wel

Re: Recovery help needed for remote server: file system mounted read-only

2024-12-30 Thread Dan Ritter
Tom Browder wrote: > On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 05:37 Alain D D Williams wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 05:29:05AM -0600, Tom Browder wrote: > > > > > I suspect a failing disk, > > > > My main home PC is 10 years old and still going strong (I over specced it > > when > > I bought it). A few y

Re: Recovery help needed for remote server: file system mountedread-only

2024-12-30 Thread gene heskett
On 12/30/24 06:37, Alain D D Williams wrote: On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 05:29:05AM -0600, Tom Browder wrote: I suspect a failing disk, My main home PC is 10 years old and still going strong (I over specced it when I bought it). A few years ago I had what looked like disk problems (time outs, fa

Re: Recovery help needed for remote server: file system mounted read-only

2024-12-30 Thread Tom Browder
On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 05:37 Alain D D Williams wrote: > On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 05:29:05AM -0600, Tom Browder wrote: > > > I suspect a failing disk, > > My main home PC is 10 years old and still going strong (I over specced it > when > I bought it). A few years ago I had what looked like disk p

Re: Recovery help needed for remote server: file system mounted read-only

2024-12-30 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 05:29:05AM -0600, Tom Browder wrote: > I suspect a failing disk, My main home PC is 10 years old and still going strong (I over specced it when I bought it). A few years ago I had what looked like disk problems (time outs, failed writes, ...). I replaced the power supply a

Recovery help needed for remote server: file system mounted read-only

2024-12-30 Thread Tom Browder
I've had this problem a long time ago, and don't remember how I recovered, but it was with help here. I suspect a failing disk, and I wonder if there is a hail Mary command I can do to force a reboot to see if it can recover on its own. I would almost welcome starting over with a new server. I ca

Re: libreoffice/openoffice system theme

2024-12-19 Thread Brad Rogers
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 11:45:01 + dmthomp...@gmx.com wrote: Hello dmthomp...@gmx.com, >.but I believe when I installed libreoffice-gtk3 not all the >components of libreoffice were pulled in - unlike the standard >libreoffice install >- if this make sense to all. Yeah, it does; Sh&t 'appens

Re: libreoffice/openoffice system theme

2024-12-19 Thread dmthompson
Hi, What happened, to install openoffice using dpkg, libreoffice was removed, along with various other packages, so when i came back to reinstating libreoffice (as part of testing) openoffice was removed, but I believe when I installed libreoffice-gtk3 not all the components of libreoffice were p

Re: libreoffice/openoffice system theme

2024-12-18 Thread Brad Rogers
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 15:38:23 + Joe wrote: Hello Joe, >OK, times change. {deleted for brevity} That's quite a tale of woes. For full disclosure, I've never used Base or Impress at all. I'm just aware they're available to me. The pendulum swings, I suppose. ;-) -- Regards _ "Va

Re: libreoffice/openoffice system theme

2024-12-18 Thread Brad Rogers
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 13:39:21 + Joe wrote: Hello Joe, >A standard Debian stable installation will not include Base or Impress, Really? Because I see Depends: libreoffice-impress and libreoffice-base in testing. >It should certainly have included Writer. Agreed. -- Regards _ "Val

Re: libreoffice/openoffice system theme

2024-12-18 Thread Brad Rogers
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 12:34:42 + dmthomp...@gmx.com wrote: Hello dmthomp...@gmx.com, >called Joe gave the hint, and i checked to see if swriter was installed >it was not so I installed it, and the was able to open a swriter doc in That makes it sound as though you may not have the package 'lib

Re: libreoffice/openoffice system theme

2024-12-18 Thread dmthompson
Hi all, Its what I am used to doing, and my thinking seems to go that way, but you are right, at the end of the day. I looged back into Debian this morning, after the email I sent following this thread title/subject, and you are right, and i think the person called Joe gave the hint, and i check

Re: libreoffice/openoffice system theme

2024-12-18 Thread Hans
I believe, the original poster meant, if he clicks on an *.odt file, then he expects libreoffice to be started. This is a feature of the windowmanager he is using. To help him, we should know, which windowmanager (KDE, Gnome, XFCE whatever) he is using, as each wm jhas its own settings. Hans

Re: libreoffice/openoffice system theme

2024-12-18 Thread Brad Rogers
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 11:29:34 + wrote: Hello dmthomp...@gmx.com, >I just typed, to install libreoffice-gtk, one would expect for all >components of the suite to be installed - right;) No; Why would you install (for example) libreoffice-qt if you don't use KDE/Plasma? A rhetorical questio

Re: libreoffice/openoffice system theme

2024-12-18 Thread dmthompson
Hi all, Thanks for the reply, and help. I do not know the answer to the question, as yet. All i know is that unlike what I am used to, some kind of user interface comes up, where one part is a large box that incite dropping docs into to open - I tried that yesterday but still got an attempt to o

Re: Writing passwords down [was: a passwordless operating system]

2024-12-17 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Tue, Dec 17, 2024, 12:24 PM wrote: > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 12:37:33PM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 12:29 PM wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 10:59:40AM -0500, Michael Stone wrote: > > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 06:45:05AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

Re: Writing passwords down [was: a passwordless operating system]

2024-12-17 Thread tomas
On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 12:37:33PM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 12:29 PM wrote: > > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 10:59:40AM -0500, Michael Stone wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 06:45:05AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > Do you have a reference? > > > > > > > >

Re: Writing passwords down [was: a passwordless operating system]

2024-12-17 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 12:29 PM wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 10:59:40AM -0500, Michael Stone wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 06:45:05AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > Do you have a reference? > > > > > > I ask because I'm in the middle of a discussion (and that was my advice, > > >

Re: Writing passwords down [was: a passwordless operating system]

2024-12-17 Thread James H. H. Lampert
I make regular use of an OS that is completely passwordless. It's called PC-DOS 2000. (I might also add that I wish that my Meerkat desktop Linux box didn't make it so easy to sign off by mistake when I'd intended to power down.) -- James H. H. Lampert

Re: Writing passwords down [was: a passwordless operating system]

2024-12-17 Thread tomas
On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 10:59:40AM -0500, Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 06:45:05AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > Do you have a reference? > > > > I ask because I'm in the middle of a discussion (and that was my advice, > > too). Seeing what Schneier has to say on that would b

Re: Writing passwords down [was: a passwordless operating system]

2024-12-17 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 11:00 AM Michael Stone wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 06:45:05AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >Do you have a reference? > > > >I ask because I'm in the middle of a discussion (and that was my advice, > >too). Seeing what Schneier has to say on that would be very int

Re: Writing passwords down [was: a passwordless operating system]

2024-12-17 Thread Mike Castle
On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 11:27 PM Loris Bennett wrote: >keeping them in your wallet can be > safer than sticking them with a post-it to you monitor. Just brought back memories. When I was in college in the 1980s/1990s, in my OS class, the instructor told of a time when he was walking down a hallw

Re: Writing passwords down [was: a passwordless operating system]

2024-12-17 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 06:45:05AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: Do you have a reference? I ask because I'm in the middle of a discussion (and that was my advice, too). Seeing what Schneier has to say on that would be very interesting. All of this advice is overly simplistic. The right answer

Re: libreoffice/openoffice system theme

2024-12-17 Thread tomas
Thanks all! Especially Gutmann's ref looks very interesting! Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Writing passwords down [was: a passwordless operating system]

2024-12-17 Thread Lee
On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 12:45 AM tomas wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 10:22:43PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > > songbird writes: > > > perhaps because the accounts are jointly owned and it is much easier > > > to just continue using the credentials as they exist instead of having > > > to set ev

Re: Writing passwords down [was: a passwordless operating system]

2024-12-17 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 12:45 AM wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 10:22:43PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > > songbird writes: > > > perhaps because the accounts are jointly owned and it is much easier > > > to just continue using the credentials as they exist instead of having > > > to set everyth

Re: libreoffice/openoffice system theme

2024-12-17 Thread Joe
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 12:54:49 + wrote: > Hello, > > Just followed your advice, but have to say that libreoffice on Debian > is not what I was expecting; slow start-up, opens .odt documents with > wrong application (chart when it should be a word-processor), online > help about this issue is

Re: libreoffice/openoffice system theme

2024-12-17 Thread dmthompson
Hello, Just followed your advice, but have to say that libreoffice on Debian is not what I was expecting; slow start-up, opens .odt documents with wrong application (chart when it should be a word-processor), online help about this issue is no help, cannot open word-processor directly have to go

Re: a passwordless operating system

2024-12-17 Thread debian-user
songbird wrote: > debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > ... > > Why does your mother need to memorize all of your dead stepfather's > > identities? Just let them die with him. > > perhaps because the accounts are jointly owned and it > is much easier to just continue using the credentials as >

Re: Writing passwords down [was: a passwordless operating system]

2024-12-16 Thread tomas
On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 08:07:52AM +0100, Loris Bennett wrote: > writes: > > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 10:22:43PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > >> songbird writes: > >> > perhaps because the accounts are jointly owned and it is much easier > >> > to just continue using the credentials as they exist

Re: Writing passwords down [was: a passwordless operating system]

2024-12-16 Thread Loris Bennett
writes: > On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 10:22:43PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: >> songbird writes: >> > perhaps because the accounts are jointly owned and it is much easier >> > to just continue using the credentials as they exist instead of having >> > to set everything up all over again for no real gai

Writing passwords down [was: a passwordless operating system]

2024-12-16 Thread tomas
On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 10:22:43PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > songbird writes: > > perhaps because the accounts are jointly owned and it is much easier > > to just continue using the credentials as they exist instead of having > > to set everything up all over again for no real gain. > > Then fol

Re: a passwordless operating system

2024-12-16 Thread John Hasler
songbird writes: > perhaps because the accounts are jointly owned and it is much easier > to just continue using the credentials as they exist instead of having > to set everything up all over again for no real gain. Then follow Bruce Schneier's advice and*write them down*. -- John Hasler j...@s

Re: a passwordless operating system

2024-12-16 Thread songbird
debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: ... > Why does your mother need to memorize all of your dead stepfather's > identities? Just let them die with him. perhaps because the accounts are jointly owned and it is much easier to just continue using the credentials as they exist instead of having to set

Re: a passwordless operating system

2024-12-16 Thread 🦓
t; passwordless. Your dogs and your goats are passwordless, they reliably > serve you but have a built in immune system with redundancies protecting > them from abuses of their passwordlessness. > > > > You don't understand YubiKeys > > I applaud your attempt to explain

Re: a passwordless operating system

2024-12-16 Thread 🦓
hem token lengths rather than password lengths they are longer than zeroconf easy zero. as long as my system are not immune to an rm -rf / i will not null my own passwords but one day i will.

Re: a passwordless operating system

2024-12-16 Thread Jeffrey Walton
>> > passwordless. Your dogs and your goats are passwordless, they reliably >> > serve you but have a built in immune system with redundancies protecting >> > them from abuses of their passwordlessness. >> >> You don't understand YubiKeys, their capabil

Re: a passwordless operating system

2024-12-16 Thread 🦓
2024 om 08:49 schreef Jeffrey Walton : > On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 2:42 AM 🦓 wrote: > > > > YubiKeys is a password manager in a dongle, thus the exact opposite of > passwordless. Your dogs and your goats are passwordless, they reliably > serve you but have a built in immune sys

Re: a passwordless operating system

2024-12-15 Thread Andy Smith
you but have a built in immune system with redundancies protecting > > them from abuses of their passwordlessness. > > You don't understand YubiKeys I applaud your attempt to explain to a zebra on the Internet why goat-based security may not be suitable for banking and other

Re: a passwordless operating system

2024-12-15 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 2:42 AM 🦓 wrote: > > YubiKeys is a password manager in a dongle, thus the exact opposite of > passwordless. Your dogs and your goats are passwordless, they reliably serve > you but have a built in immune system with redundancies protecting them from >

Re: a passwordless operating system

2024-12-15 Thread 🦓
YubiKeys is a password manager in a dongle, thus the exact opposite of passwordless. Your dogs and your goats are passwordless, they reliably serve you but have a built in immune system with redundancies protecting them from abuses of their passwordlessness. Op zo 15 dec 2024 om 15:35 schreef

Re: a passwordless operating system

2024-12-15 Thread Jeffrey Walton
#x27;s legal department and put them on notice. (I also point out the problems with their current authentication system). If you start switching to YubiKeys, then be sure to use two of them. The second is a backup YubiKey, and it also gets enrolled when you convert the account. The backup YubiKey is

Re: a passwordless operating system

2024-12-15 Thread 🦓
wouldnot be that like banks appropriating tons of gold deposited by perished intelligentsia? you die once when you die and twice when the last being remembering you dies and i prefer computers to serve me rather than wreck my brain schrieb am So., 15. Dez. 2024, 14:49: > 🦓 wrote: > > my mothe

Re: a passwordless operating system

2024-12-15 Thread debian-user
🦓 wrote: > my mother is currently struggling to memorize all of my dead > stepfather's identities and passwords and that makes me wonder how > would you like an internet of hosts who store everything undeletably > and barrierlessly readably with no secrets whatsoever to humanity nor > any other na

Re: libreoffice/openoffice system theme

2024-12-15 Thread Christian Britz
Am 15.12.24 um 13:37 schrieb david thompson: > I am using xfce4 desktop, have Adwaita-dark, and xfce-duskm as well as other > themes installed. Please try libreoffice-gtk3

Re: libreoffice/openoffice system theme

2024-12-15 Thread david thompson
took the dark theme naturally - scratches head, On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 08:23:44 +0100 Christian Britz wrote: > Am 13.12.24 um 13:02 schrieb david thompson: > > I am having some trouble getting libreoffice or/and openoffice > > adopting the system theme - they wont do it. > > Th

a passwordless operating system

2024-12-14 Thread 🦓
my mother is currently struggling to memorize all of my dead stepfather's identities and passwords and that makes me wonder how would you like an internet of hosts who store everything undeletably and barrierlessly readably with no secrets whatsoever to humanity nor any other natural or artificial

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