On 10/22/2014 02:42 PM, Doug wrote:
On 10/22/2014 07:04 AM, Jape Person wrote:
/snip/
I haven't paid a lot of attention to threads concerning systemd because of the
(unfortunate, though occasionally entertaining) hyperbole and innuendo employed
by so many. . . .
On 10/22/2014 07:04 AM, Jape Person wrote:
/snip/
I haven't paid a lot of attention to threads concerning systemd because of the
(unfortunate, though occasionally entertaining) hyperbole and innuendo employed
by so many. . . .
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Don Armstrong wrote:
> > Furthermore, the effect of this patch is trivially obtained by using
> > a late_command to remove systemd-sysv and install sysvinit-core.
>
> except for the various reported issues with all the things aptitude
> wants to remove
On Wed 22 Oct 2014 at 02:00:34 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 19:09:39 -0400
> Miles Fidelman wrote:
>
> > Brian wrote:
> > > On Tue 21 Oct 2014 at 15:01:18 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 17:19:08 +0200
> > >> Liam Proven wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> A blog p
On 10/22/2014 07:41 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 22. Oktober 2014, 07:04:12 schrieb Jape Person:
On 10/21/2014 09:22 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Don Armstrong wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
which is immediately followed by completely inaccurate information,
incl
Am Mittwoch, 22. Oktober 2014, 07:04:12 schrieb Jape Person:
> On 10/21/2014 09:22 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> > Don Armstrong wrote:
> >> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >>> which is immediately followed by completely inaccurate information,
> >>> including:
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
On 10/21/2014 09:22 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Don Armstrong wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
which is immediately followed by completely inaccurate information,
including:
--
"With jessie, it will become /easier/ to choose the init system, because
*neither init system is e
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 19:09:39 -0400
Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Brian wrote:
> > On Tue 21 Oct 2014 at 15:01:18 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 17:19:08 +0200
> >> Liam Proven wrote:
> >>
> >>> A blog post explaining why it isn't mandatory, the utter futility
> >>> of the fork a
On 21/10/14 at 03:01pm, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 17:19:08 +0200
> Liam Proven wrote:
>
> > A blog post explaining why it isn't mandatory, the utter futility of
> > the fork and more besides, clearly and simply.
> >
> > http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-avoiding-system
I agree that a fork is too radical, hard to maintain without money and
blah blah blah...
We just need "uselessd + new udev" to kick systemd entirely.
Then, if a problem appear, lets fix it. And if a new software
appearing depending on systemd as PID1, I'll not use it, simple as
that.
Again, I do
Don Armstrong wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
which is immediately followed by completely inaccurate information,
including:
--
"With jessie, it will become /easier/ to choose the init system, because
*neither init system is essential now*. Instead, there is an essential
m
Brian wrote:
On Tue 21 Oct 2014 at 15:01:18 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 17:19:08 +0200
Liam Proven wrote:
A blog post explaining why it isn't mandatory, the utter futility of
the fork and more besides, clearly and simply.
http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-avoid
On Tue 21 Oct 2014 at 15:01:18 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 17:19:08 +0200
> Liam Proven wrote:
>
> > A blog post explaining why it isn't mandatory, the utter futility of
> > the fork and more besides, clearly and simply.
> >
> > http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 23:17:56 +0200
"tor...@riseup.net" wrote:
> If one doesn't want systemd/libsystemd0, then Debian is not a good
> choice (having to tinker all the time one can just as well run one of
> the KISS distros).
>
> imho, of course.
Debian *was* a KISS distro. That's why a lot
of
Liam Proven:
> A blog post explaining why it isn't mandatory, the utter
> futility of the fork and more besides, clearly and simply.
> http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-avoiding-systemd.html
At least in Sid libsystemd0 is a dependency of the essential package
bsdutils https://package
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 17:19:08 +0200
Liam Proven wrote:
> A blog post explaining why it isn't mandatory, the utter futility of
> the fork and more besides, clearly and simply.
>
> http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-avoiding-systemd.html
What I really like about the blog is that, almos
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> which is immediately followed by completely inaccurate information,
> including:
>
> --
> "With jessie, it will become /easier/ to choose the init system, because
> *neither init system is essential now*. Instead, there is an essential
> meta-packag
Liam Proven wrote:
On 21 October 2014 17:40, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Liam Proven wrote:
A blog post explaining why it isn't mandatory, the utter futility of
the fork and more besides, clearly and simply.
http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-avoiding-systemd.html
Would be nicer if it
On 10/21/2014 11:19 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
> A blog post explaining why it isn't mandatory, the utter futility of
> the fork and more besides, clearly and simply.
>
> http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-avoiding-systemd.html
Doesn't address - and nothing can satisfactorily address (im
On 21 October 2014 17:40, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Liam Proven wrote:
>>
>> A blog post explaining why it isn't mandatory, the utter futility of
>> the fork and more besides, clearly and simply.
>>
>> http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-avoiding-systemd.html
>>
>
> Would be nicer if it w
Liam Proven wrote:
A blog post explaining why it isn't mandatory, the utter futility of
the fork and more besides, clearly and simply.
http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-avoiding-systemd.html
Would be nicer if it was accurate.
For example, it talks about version pinning as a way
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