Re: Rant about installer features (Re: Progeny)

2004-08-15 Thread Greg Folkert
ussing a while back (see archives), it is a supported configuration > >>by the kernel, and Red Hat have supported it since 7.3. I guess that's > >>why Progeny decided to port anaconda - it worked out your tough problem. > > > > > > It not so much the anaconda i

Re: Rant about installer features (Re: Progeny)

2004-08-15 Thread Paul Gear
rnel, and Red Hat have supported it since 7.3. I guess that's >>why Progeny decided to port anaconda - it worked out your tough problem. > > > It not so much the anaconda issue, more over it is the "Debian Way" of > doing things. I guess^WKNOW, Grub has issue with

Re: Rant about installer features (Re: Progeny)

2004-08-15 Thread Greg Folkert
On Sun, 2004-08-15 at 12:47 -0400, Carl Fink wrote: > On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 10:18:14AM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > > > As far as Knoppix. I use it for hardware detection and to make sure > > machine are able to handle it proper, for those odd pieces that aren't > > quite able to be used by linu

Re: Rant about installer features (Re: Progeny)

2004-08-15 Thread Carl Fink
On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 10:18:14AM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > As far as Knoppix. I use it for hardware detection and to make sure > machine are able to handle it proper, for those odd pieces that aren't > quite able to be used by linux yet... or never will be (some Video cards > for instance...

Re: Rant about installer features (Re: Progeny)

2004-08-15 Thread Greg Folkert
i were > discussing a while back (see archives), it is a supported configuration > by the kernel, and Red Hat have supported it since 7.3. I guess that's > why Progeny decided to port anaconda - it worked out your tough problem. It not so much the anaconda issue, more over it is the

Re: Rant about installer features (Re: Progeny)

2004-08-15 Thread Greg Folkert
On Sat, 2004-08-14 at 20:32 -0400, Carl Fink wrote: > On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 05:53:21PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > > On Sat, 2004-08-14 at 00:06 -0400, Carl Fink wrote: > > > > Knoppix, Gnoppix, Progeny > > > > So, then Carl... you base all of yo

Re: Rant about installer features (Re: Progeny)

2004-08-14 Thread Paul Gear
Joey Hess wrote: > ... > FWIW, repeatedly whining and harping on features that you want is really > not a very efficient motivator for volenteers. I suppose we'll get NTFS > resize and software raid on root support when someone feels the need to > ad them, and has the guts to go code something. I

Re: Rant about installer features (Re: Progeny)

2004-08-14 Thread Paul Gear
install. So does SuSE Personal 9.1. > > > Too bad. MD Raid is tough for a bootable setup with automated tools. This is part of what i don't understand. As Alvin Oga and i were discussing a while back (see archives), it is a supported configuration by the kernel, and Red Hat have s

Re: Rant about installer features (Re: Progeny)

2004-08-14 Thread Carl Fink
On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 05:53:21PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Sat, 2004-08-14 at 00:06 -0400, Carl Fink wrote: > > Knoppix, Gnoppix, Progeny > > So, then Carl... you base all of your Servers on HUGE-MON-GOLLY-GOUS > package lists? Non sequitur. If I liked, say,

Re: Rant about installer features (Re: Progeny)

2004-08-14 Thread Katipo
Carl Fink wrote: While your description is exaggerated, what's wrong with an installer that detects the hardware for me, so I don't have to manually set dozens or hundreds of things? You seem to be implying that's bad. What's wrong with an installer that lets me resize NTFS partitions? What's

Re: Rant about installer features (Re: Progeny)

2004-08-14 Thread Greg Folkert
On Sat, 2004-08-14 at 00:03 -0600, s. keeling wrote: > Incoming from Paul Gear: > > > > I didn't write this rant about GUI vs. non-GUI. I wrote it about the > > "Debian is fine, and if you don't like it, go use Windows" attitude that > > seems to surface so often in posts in this group. > > Well

Re: Rant about installer features (Re: Progeny)

2004-08-14 Thread Greg Folkert
On Sat, 2004-08-14 at 14:41 -0300, Joey Hess wrote: > Carl Fink wrote: > > Check this list's archives. I've been using Debian since Slink. I'm a > > refugee from Windows 3.1 and OS/2 Warp, if I'm a refugee at all. > > > > While your description is exaggerated, what's wrong with an installer that

Re: Rant about installer features (Re: Progeny)

2004-08-14 Thread Greg Folkert
On Fri, 2004-08-13 at 22:55 -0600, s. keeling wrote: > Incoming from Carl Fink: > > > > It isn't just that, Paul. The people who've been working on > > debian-installer for years now are not eager to hear that several > > other distributions have better ones, which is what you (and I) have > > I

Re: Rant about installer features (Re: Progeny)

2004-08-14 Thread Greg Folkert
> know that Slackware does X installation by default as do these others. > > Knoppix, Gnoppix, Progeny So, then Carl... you base all of your Servers on HUGE-MON-GOLLY-GOUS package lists? Knoppix has 1200+ packages installed Gnoppix is similar, but smaller 1000+ Progeny == De

Re: Rant about installer features (Re: Progeny)

2004-08-14 Thread Greg Folkert
On Sat, 2004-08-14 at 09:20 +1000, Paul Gear wrote: > John Summerfield wrote: > > Paul Gear wrote: > > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> Is anyone here using Progeny? > >>> ... > >> I tried it as an easy way of getting Sarge installed.

Re: Rant about installer features (Re: Progeny)

2004-08-14 Thread Joey Hess
Carl Fink wrote: > Check this list's archives. I've been using Debian since Slink. I'm a > refugee from Windows 3.1 and OS/2 Warp, if I'm a refugee at all. > > While your description is exaggerated, what's wrong with an installer that > detects the hardware for me, so I don't have to manually se

Re: Rant about installer features (Re: Progeny)

2004-08-14 Thread Jim Bailey
On Aug 14, 10:09, Carl Fink wrote: > On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 10:55:00PM -0600, s. keeling wrote: > > > I just don't understand where you people come from. I've been > > installing Linux since SLS (ca '93), and I've never thought Debian's > > installer was anywhere near as bad as some of you peopl

Re: Rant about installer features (Re: Progeny)

2004-08-14 Thread Carl Fink
On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 10:55:00PM -0600, s. keeling wrote: > I just don't understand where you people come from. I've been > installing Linux since SLS (ca '93), and I've never thought Debian's > installer was anywhere near as bad as some of you people think it is. > > You seem to want somethin

Re: Rant about installer features (Re: Progeny)

2004-08-14 Thread John Summerfield
, Oh, RAID if you wanted. It was boot a floppy, remove floppy when it was not longer needed, then go about other things. I'm far from that level of productivity with Debian. I think I can reach it with Progeny. What you tell me is that there's a lot of people using Debian who don

Re: Rant about installer features (Re: Progeny)

2004-08-14 Thread John Summerfield
m == x86){ use Knoppix hardware detection and X installer }else{ use the one from d-i } Anaconda supports most of them.Looking at recent source I see IA32 IA64 AMD-64 S/390 PPC - pSeries PPC - mac alpha sparc64 Anaconda is GPL, and thight now does text-mode, GUI and automatic (kickstart) ins

Re: Rant about installer features (Re: Progeny)

2004-08-13 Thread s. keeling
Incoming from Paul Gear: > > I didn't write this rant about GUI vs. non-GUI. I wrote it about the > "Debian is fine, and if you don't like it, go use Windows" attitude that > seems to surface so often in posts in this group. Well, welcome to Debian. To be honest, there's a few in here complaini

Re: Rant about installer features (Re: Progeny)

2004-08-13 Thread Paul Gear
Tom Allison wrote: > ... > I'm late on this, but I have to say that the debian installer was > actually the best installer I've ever seen. It was very true to the > ideas that makes Debian better than Fedora or Suse (This is just my > opinion so don't argue about it) > > I can install a non-GUI s

Re: Rant about installer features (Re: Progeny)

2004-08-13 Thread s. keeling
Incoming from s. keeling: > Incoming from Carl Fink: > > > > It isn't just that, Paul. The people who've been working on > > debian-installer for years now are not eager to hear that several > > other distributions have better ones, which is what you (and I) have > > I just don't understand wher

Re: Rant about installer features (Re: Progeny)

2004-08-13 Thread s. keeling
Incoming from Carl Fink: > > It isn't just that, Paul. The people who've been working on > debian-installer for years now are not eager to hear that several > other distributions have better ones, which is what you (and I) have I just don't understand where you people come from. I've been insta

Re: Rant about installer features (Re: Progeny)

2004-08-13 Thread Carl Fink
hers. Knoppix, Gnoppix, Progeny -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabootu's Minister of Proofreading http://www.jabootu.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Rant about installer features (Re: Progeny)

2004-08-13 Thread Tom Allison
Carl Fink wrote: On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 09:20:10AM +1000, Paul Gear wrote: I'm finding this mailing list a little hard to cope with. Some people on it think they know everything about Linux because they've been using Debian for 3 years. I've been using Linux for 10 years, but because i didn't u

Re: Rant about installer features (Re: Progeny)

2004-08-13 Thread Carl Fink
On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 09:20:10AM +1000, Paul Gear wrote: > I'm finding this mailing list a little hard to cope with. Some people > on it think they know everything about Linux because they've been using > Debian for 3 years. I've been using Linux for 10 years, but because i > didn't use Debian

Rant about installer features (Re: Progeny)

2004-08-13 Thread Paul Gear
John Summerfield wrote: > Paul Gear wrote: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> >>> Is anyone here using Progeny? >>> ... >> >> I tried it as an easy way of getting Sarge installed. It looks pretty >> good, but it didn't detect

Re: Progeny

2004-08-10 Thread John Summerfield
Paul Gear wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone here using Progeny? If yes how does it compare to Sarge. I know the installer is easy. How's the usability out of the box? Sarge is pretty nice and fast but it takes a while to set it up (for me at least). Will it be free (money-wise)?

Re: Progeny

2004-08-10 Thread Paul Gear
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Is anyone here using Progeny? > > If yes how does it compare to Sarge. I know the installer is easy. > How's the usability out of the box? Sarge is pretty nice and fast but it > takes a while to set it up (for me at least). Will it be free (money-wi

Re: Progeny

2004-08-09 Thread John Summerfield
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone here using Progeny? If yes how does it compare to Sarge. I know the installer is easy. How's the usability out of the box? Sarge is pretty nice and fast but it takes a while to set it up (for me at least). Will it be free (money-wise)? What kernel(s) wi

Progeny

2004-08-09 Thread michael . sherman
Is anyone here using Progeny? If yes how does it compare to Sarge. I know the installer is easy. How's the usability out of the box? Sarge is pretty nice and fast but it takes a while to set it up (for me at least). Will it be free (money-wise)? What kernel(s) will it include? Mike -

progeny

2004-07-18 Thread John Summerfield
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Re: Progeny installer for woody

2002-10-25 Thread Frederik Dannemare
A R wrote: I think may be interesting to the list members http://archive.progeny.com/progeny/pgi/ How does it work exactly? I've just tested it on two machines, and it worked great for me with hardware auto detection and everything. Remember though, it is still in development, and th

Progeny installer for woody

2002-10-24 Thread A R
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Re: Debian-Progeny

2002-01-10 Thread David Bellows
On Thursday 10 January 2002 06:15 am, S.Ghosh wrote: > Hello, > > Could someone please explain how to set up an external > modem under Debian-Progeny 1.0. Also how is the > printer setup carried out under Progeny. The external > modem worked well under RedHat 7.0 & 7.1. So

Re: Debian-Progeny

2002-01-10 Thread Greg Madden
On Thu, 2002-01-10 at 02:15, S.Ghosh wrote: > Hello, > > Could someone please explain how to set up an external > modem under Debian-Progeny 1.0. Also how is the > printer setup carried out under Progeny. The external > modem worked well under RedHat 7.0 & 7.1. So I am

Debian-Progeny

2002-01-10 Thread S.Ghosh
Hello, Could someone please explain how to set up an external modem under Debian-Progeny 1.0. Also how is the printer setup carried out under Progeny. The external modem worked well under RedHat 7.0 & 7.1. So I am hoping it will under Progeny. All help is sincerely appreciated. A lost

Re: Problems with gnome sound after "upgrade" from Progeny to woody

2002-01-06 Thread dman
On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 10:05:59AM -0500, Stan Brown wrote: | I finally bit the bullet, and "upgraded" one of my Progeny machines to | woody this weekend. | | Things went reasonably well, althoug certainly not automaticly. | | In any case, when I loged inot a Gnome session, things wer

Problems with gnome sound after "upgrade" from Progeny to woody

2002-01-06 Thread Stan Brown
I finally bit the bullet, and "upgraded" one of my Progeny machines to woody this weekend. Things went reasonably well, althoug certainly not automaticly. In any case, when I loged inot a Gnome session, things were not very useable, so I loged out, deleted .gnom* .esd* .saw* and log

Re: Progeny Switch

2001-12-07 Thread Harold Bibik
On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 09:54:06AM -0800, Montagne, Michael arranged the electrons something like this: > I've come to the point where I need to cut the cord with Progeny. I've read > the how-tos about converting to Woody and they each seem frought with peril. > What

Progeny Switch

2001-12-06 Thread Montagne, Michael
I've come to the point where I need to cut the cord with Progeny. I've read the how-tos about converting to Woody and they each seem frought with peril. What is wrong with this scenario? I change my sources.list to include the debian sites, run dist-upgrade and call it good. I&#x

Re: Will the Progeny graphical install process inspire our developers ?

2001-11-20 Thread csj
On Thursday 15 November 2001 21:03, spear wrote: > Hi there ! > > I was wondering : a few weeks ago, i contacted Steve Schaffer from > Progeny, about the graphical installation process of the Progeny > Debian, wondering if they would let it to our community ... > He said y

Re: Will the Progeny graphical install process inspire our developers ?

2001-11-18 Thread Bob Underwood
But it makes it a bit easier. My first linux was Progeny and it's GUI > installer helped me very much. I vote for GUI installer as a option at > boot-time. > > Patrik Corel was my first Linux and I was sold by the easy install process. I wasn't computer illiterate (had used O

Re: Will the Progeny graphical install process inspire our developers ?

2001-11-17 Thread Jesse Goerz
Yes! But it makes it a bit easier. My first linux was Progeny > and it's GUI installer helped me very much. I vote for GUI > installer as a option at boot-time. > > Patrik I would also have to agree. Make the gui installer the default for the newbies but leave the console inst

Re: Will the Progeny graphical install process inspire our developers ?

2001-11-17 Thread Patrik Modesto
On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 11:16:37AM +1000, Jason Currey wrote: > A GUI installer might not make install easier, but it gives first time linux > users a much better feeling about installing the product. Yes! But it makes it a bit easier. My first linux was Progeny and it's GUI installe

Re: Will the Progeny graphical install process inspire our developers ?

2001-11-15 Thread Jason Currey
A GUI installer might not make install easier, but it gives first time linux users a much better feeling about installing the product. I have seen a number of linux flavour comparisons and most comparisons show the debian installer as one of the weaknesses of a debian flavoured linux.

Re: Will the Progeny graphical install process inspire our developers ?

2001-11-15 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 03:49:14PM -0800, Dmitriy wrote: > What exactly does make a GUI install easier? > > It is a lot more hassle, and not much use. > > I agree that installer can be made more userfriendly proably for some > people, but there can be a nice Curses based install. I certainl

Re: Will the Progeny graphical install process inspire our developers ?

2001-11-15 Thread Cameron Matheson
On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 03:49:14PM -0800, Dmitriy wrote: > What exactly does make a GUI install easier? > > It is a lot more hassle, and not much use. > > I agree that installer can be made more userfriendly proably for some > people, but there can be a nice Curses based install. > > I think ma

Re: Will the Progeny graphical install process inspire our developers ?

2001-11-15 Thread Dmitriy
On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 02:03:23PM +0100, spear wrote: > Hi there ! > > I was wondering : a few weeks ago, i contacted Steve Schaffer from Progeny, > about the graphical installation process of the Progeny Debian, wondering if > they would let it to our community ... > He sa

Will the Progeny graphical install process inspire our developers ?

2001-11-15 Thread spear
Hi there ! I was wondering : a few weeks ago, i contacted Steve Schaffer from Progeny, about the graphical installation process of the Progeny Debian, wondering if they would let it to our community ... He said yes ... So, did anybody hear about it's amelioration, and, maybe, future integr

Re: Progeny -> woody?

2001-11-15 Thread Harold Bibik
oks better than the old Progeny one. > > How did you do this? > Got an example config to share? It's nothing special...I just used the "Configure" option under "System" on GDM and changed the font, changed the greeting and changed the graphic to something simple I wh

Re: Progeny -> woody?

2001-11-12 Thread Stan Brown
y unless you select the folder. > >I had no major problems with the dist-upgrade from Progeny to woody. > >Like Jesse mentioned, my desktop did show only folder icons so I >deleted (renamed actually, then deleted a few days later when I was >sure everything was ok) the .gnome and .gn

Re: Progeny -> woody?

2001-11-12 Thread Harold Bibik
d in this "upgrade". > > The only things I've noticed so far is the desktop icons refuse > to be anything but folders, and the font which describes them > also refuses to display unless you select the folder. I had no major problems with the dist-upgrade from Progeny to wood

Re: Progeny -> woody?

2001-11-11 Thread Keith Willoughby
Jesse Goerz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Also, woody's version of gdm isn't as "pretty" and it removes the > System menu so you can't reboot from the login screen. You will > have to use the config utility for gdm to fix that (can't remember > the name of it). . . . or edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf at

Re: Progeny -> woody?

2001-11-10 Thread Jesse Goerz
On Saturday 10 November 2001 09:23, Stan Brown wrote: > I've looked at the Progeny page on this, and it looks a bit > scary to atempt on a machine that I need to keep working. > > Can anyone thta has atempted this give me some feedback? > Sucess, _and_ failure stories a

Progeny -> woody?

2001-11-10 Thread Stan Brown
I've looked at the Progeny page on this, and it looks a bit scary to atempt on a machine that I need to keep working. Can anyone thta has atempted this give me some feedback? Sucess, _and_ failure stories apprecited. Also some cometary on what nice features might have disapeared in this &qu

Re: What to install now that Progeny is gone?

2001-10-29 Thread dman
On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 02:40:47PM -0500, Stan Brown wrote: | So, here's the question. Given that I want to build machines with fairly | moder user interafaces (read that as some recent version of Gnome) on these | new machines, and that I really just followed the cookbok deirections on | upgradi

What to install now that Progeny is gone?

2001-10-29 Thread Stan Brown
I've bult several machines in the past few months by: 1. Installing an absolute minimum potato release. 2. Folowing the Progeny "Upgrade to Progeny web page" 3. Installing the 24. kernel packages 4. Building a custom 2.4 kernel. This has worked extremely well for me, as it gives m

Re: What's happening to the Progeny installer?

2001-10-26 Thread Michael Epting
It's there (in unstable). See autoinstall. (I haven't tried it and honestly wouldn't know how to begin). On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 12:22:11PM +1000, Mike Williams wrote: > > My understanding is that Progeny (the company) is still alive, and that > they wish to migrate

What's happening to the Progeny installer?

2001-10-25 Thread Mike Williams
>>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:34:02 +0200 (CEST), >>> "Wilmer" == Wilmer van der Gaast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Wilmer> There are some Debian-based distro's with very nice installers and Wilmer> things like that already. One of then is Progeny

Upgrading Progeny to Unstable

2001-10-22 Thread Doc - KD4E
I am trying the comand (see below) sequence just to see if it works better than the Progeny->Woody version that repeatedly fails to support pcmcia on my laptop. This is an upgrade to Unstable. There is one change, on line two "deps" needs to be "depends". Also, under

Re: Progeny->Woody Upgrade Alternatives?

2001-10-22 Thread adcarlson
Looking at the recommendations for the upgrade on the Progeny site, I wonder if the noted specific install of modutils/modconf is what is necessary to correct this PCMCIA problem (i.e. at which point you would have to run modconf and specifically make sure the module for PCMCIA is getting loaded

Re: Progeny->Woody Upgrade Alternatives?

2001-10-21 Thread Doc - KD4E
> Progeny to Woody howto > http://www.debianplanet.org/debianplanet/article.php?sid=450 Been using that one. It is incomplete since it fails to mention the trashing of pcmcia, among other things. > Progeny to unstable > http://www.debianplanet.org/debianplanet/article.php?sid=414

PROGENY->WOODY UPGRADE -- Step-By-Step Messages

2001-10-21 Thread Doc - KD4E
Please find following the instructions from Progeny for the Woody upgrade with the error messages received at each step. Anyone see something exceptional? If so what is the proper response other than proceeding on with the install and ignoring the error messages? Thanks! Doc

Questions Prior to Progeny->Woody Reboot

2001-10-20 Thread Doc - KD4E
I went and wiped everything with a fresh install of Progeny. I then walked through the Woody upgrade instructions, noting but ignoring errors. (I have them ready to post once I have a successful install.) Here, again, is the source of the instructions I followed: http://www.progeny.com/archive

Re: Remove a half-configured package on Potato/Progeny/Testing...

2001-10-19 Thread Blars Blarson
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >testing. When I tried to install xserver-xfree86 >(4.1), it started out fine, identified my printer, and >then hung while installing/configuring. This also >Now though, I can't uninstall xserver-xfree86 - it >exits with error status 10, b

Remove a half-configured package on Potato/Progeny/Testing...

2001-10-18 Thread JP Glutting
Hi, I upgraded my Potato box to Progeny, and now to Debian testing. When I tried to install xserver-xfree86 (4.1), it started out fine, identified my printer, and then hung while installing/configuring. This also happened when I upgraded to Progeny/Newton. In the earlier case I just uninstalled

Re: no c header files in Progeny?

2001-10-12 Thread Faheem Mitha
On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Shea Martin wrote: > > It looks like Progeny never installed any C header files during > install??? > I didn't even know that was legal here in Unix world. In fact I have > never come across such a problem, and don't really know how

Re: Satble -> Progeny + grub. Machine won't boot.

2001-10-07 Thread Richard Watson
"Stan Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Here's where I am at tthe moment. I installed a minimal stable, the did the > Progeny update, leting it install grub. > > Now, the machine boots up to the grub command screen (not the grub user > menu), and hangs.

Re: Satble -> Progeny + grub. Machine won't boot.

2001-10-07 Thread Akintayo
does it give an error message saying it can't find something ? Also it should be possible to load your old kernel - Original Message - From: "Stan Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Debian User List" Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 8:16 AM Subject: Satble -

Satble -> Progeny + grub. Machine won't boot.

2001-10-07 Thread Stan Brown
I have a machine which I _absolutely_ need to have working Monday. I need to have it have to Progeny update + 2.4 kernel. I've been fighting with this all weekend, having started over about a dozen times at this point in time :-( Here's where I am at tthe moment. I installed a minimal s

Re: Upgrading potato -> progeny newton broke X11

2001-09-25 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 06:47:40AM +0200, Johann Spies wrote: [...snip ranting] > I have a dialup system at home with potato on it. So I decided to > upgrade to progeny and to make a new installation. [...snip ranting] > I would appreciate some advice. My suggestion is to one

Upgrading potato -> progeny newton broke X11

2001-09-25 Thread Johann Spies
Working in a Redhat dominated environment, I boasted about apt-get and that a Debian system never have to be reinstalled if it is managed properly. After my recent experience I would not boast easily again. I have a dialup system at home with potato on it. So I decided to upgrade to progeny and

Re: Debian & Progeny Debian?

2001-09-10 Thread Harold Bibik
On Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 04:56:14PM +0800, Paolo Alexis Falcone ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said something like: >Would anyone recommend >Progeny Debian instead? I looked at their web site and it looked good - >the matter in question would be - would it be as good for a beginner? >Can a

Re: Debian & Progeny Debian?

2001-09-10 Thread elawson
>Can anyone give a qualitative analysis on Progeny? It seems a mixed bag to me. I have had it install ok sometimes and then not install other times on same hardware. The package manager is not even close to Stormpkg, and the desktop is quirky at times. In other respects it seems quite nice

Re: Debian & Progeny Debian?

2001-09-10 Thread Kamil Kisiel
The only significant difference I noticed with Progeny was the installer, though this may have been due to the fact that I simply upgraded my Progeny install to Woody almost right after, and then happily upgraded that to Sid... Speaking of the installer, it's not very good (IMO), especiall

Re: Debian & Progeny Debian?

2001-09-09 Thread ktb
classmate in computer science to try out Debian, but it > might intimidate her initially (she's currently a Windows user). Would anyone > recommend Progeny Debian instead? I looked at their web site and it looked > good - the matter in question would be - would it be as good for a

Re: Debian & Progeny Debian?

2001-09-09 Thread dman
fer my newbie friend | and classmate in computer science to try out Debian, but it might | intimidate her initially (she's currently a Windows user). Would | anyone recommend Progeny Debian instead? I looked at their web site | and it looked good - the matter in question would be - would it be

Debian & Progeny Debian?

2001-09-09 Thread Paolo Alexis Falcone
ly a Windows user). Would anyone recommend Progeny Debian instead? I looked at their web site and it looked good - the matter in question would be - would it be as good for a beginner? Can anyone give a qualitative analysis on Progeny? Thanks! Paolo Falcone __ www.edsamail.com

Re: Progeny Debian

2001-08-28 Thread Harold Bibik
On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 02:29:04PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) scribbled > Alright. Now I am down to thinking progeny would be the best to nab. But > here is what I don't know yet... > > Are the downloads upgrades free from their servers? > Does anyone

Re: Progeny Debian

2001-08-27 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 02:29:04PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Alright. Now I am down to thinking progeny would be the best to nab. > But here is what I don't know yet... > > Are the downloads upgrades free from their servers? I believe so, and would be surprised if they

Re: Progeny Debian

2001-08-27 Thread Kamil Kisiel
I installed Progeny on my system (to simplify the installation procedure) and then upgraded it to Woody soon after without any problem, all it took is modifying my sources.list and doing an "apt-get dist-upgrade". So far, after more than a month of use I have not seen any problems

Re: Progeny Debian

2001-08-27 Thread DanSV
In a message dated 8/27/01 2:45:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: work I use potato on my servers and woody on my workstation.  But, at home I decided to try out Progeny.  It's a nice distrobution, and yes the updates are free.  It uses Grub instead of lilo, and whe

Re: Progeny Debian

2001-08-27 Thread Wayne Sitton
At work I use potato on my servers and woody on my workstation. But, at home I decided to try out Progeny. It's a nice distrobution, and yes the updates are free. It uses Grub instead of lilo, and when you update it also updates to the the current kernel that progeny is using. At w

Progeny Debian

2001-08-27 Thread DanSV
Alright.  Now I am down to thinking progeny would be the best to nab.  But here is what I don't know yet... Are the downloads upgrades free from their servers? Does anyone have any experience upgrading from progeny to woody/sid? - Dan I think the progeny installer, and software included

Re: Progeny vs. Libranet vs Pure Debian.

2001-08-27 Thread F Zimmermann
> > G'day DanSV, > > > I've heard good things about Progeny but haven't used it my self, the > Progeny web-site says As long as you are in America or your PC has american hardware e.g. keyboard and so on. There was a test of differnt Linux Distributions in

Re: Progeny vs. Libranet vs Pure Debian.

2001-08-25 Thread Joel Mayes
>>>>> "DanSV" == DanSV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: DanSV> I was wondering what the best way to install and then DanSV> maintain debian is. I have tried libranet, but not progeny DanSV> or just pure debian (beyond 2.1 that is). I want a

Progeny vs. Libranet vs Pure Debian.

2001-08-23 Thread DanSV
I was wondering what the best way to install and then maintain debian is. I have tried libranet, but not progeny or just pure debian (beyond 2.1 that is). I want a simple install, and hard-ware recognition on the level of mandrake (they say they can get 3D support with an ati rage128 (2000

Re: Modem/PPP fails on Progeny, works on Mandrake

2001-08-21 Thread John Hasler
Avdi writes: > The modem is *amazingly* slow to respond. But it dials, and then slwly > the ISP's prompts appear. This is a symptom of an incorrect IRQ. What do setserial and 'cat /proc/interrupts' say? > Hoever, the default chatscript I modified had the "ogin:"/"sword:" > expect/reply pai

Modem/PPP fails on Progeny, works on Mandrake

2001-08-21 Thread avdi
Hi, First, apologies for the cross-posting; I'm not sure which list this plea belongs on. I finally took the plunge last weekend and made my switch to Progeny Debian from Mandrake 7.2. I'm not going to talk about Progeny's (horrible) installer in this message. Suffice to sa

HP6000SE Media Storage unit & Adaptec 2930LU on Debian/Progeny PC

2001-08-06 Thread K. Matthew Victor
I have an HP6000SE (single ended) SCSI media storage unit that was (a): given to me; (b): originally used uith an HP 7000 Apollo running HP-UX. I am wondering if I may be able to use my Yamaha CRW 2100 CD-R/RW, HP 6390 Scanner, and the several harddrives- DCLZ tape drive- and the original CD-ROM th

Re: Questions (and hello) from a new (Progeny) Debian user.

2001-05-31 Thread will trillich
On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 11:03:59AM +1000, Krisno Pryosusilo wrote: > I'm a relatively new user of Linux and have since yesterday, migrated > from SuSE 7.1 to a boxed version 1.0 of Progeny Debian. > I chose Progeny because of my perception that Progeny would be easier to > instal

Re: Progeny install problems

2001-05-27 Thread DvB
Robert Voigt wrote: I thought you get access to a progeny support mailing list or something if you buy a progeny box. Is this wrong? Right and wrong: Right, there is a progeny mailing list. Wrong, it's actually free. http://www.progeny.com/prodserv/support/

backspace key in X screwed by trying progeny

2001-05-27 Thread Chuck Peters
Then I spend 3 days downloading woody hoping that would fix it, but it still doesn't work. Can someone please tell me how to fix it? Thanks, Chuck

Re: Progeny install problems

2001-05-27 Thread Robert Voigt
I thought you get access to a progeny support mailing list or something if you buy a progeny box. Is this wrong?

Re: Progeny install problems

2001-05-26 Thread Hall Stevenson
* Karsten M. Self (kmself@ix.netcom.com) [010526 18:16]: > on Fri, May 25, 2001 at 04:09:22PM -0600, John Galt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > On Fri, 25 May 2001, jennyw wrote: > > > > >I'm trying to reinstall Progeny Debian 1.0 (boxed copy),

Re: Libranet, Stormix, Progeny

2001-05-26 Thread Forrest English
there would be no reason to 'upgrade' to debian. they basicaly are debian, with updated packages in some cases, and gui installers and config tools. -- Forrest English http://truffula.net "When we have nothing left to give There will be no reason for us to live But when we have nothing left to

Libranet, Stormix, Progeny

2001-05-26 Thread kyle
After much effort, I have totally failed on my efforts to install Debian, but I would still like to run it. (My linux partition is past sector 1023, and it won't make a boot floppy. I sort of managed to get around this by using the Grub install that RedHat did, since it pointed to the correct p

Re: Progeny install problems

2001-05-26 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Fri, May 25, 2001 at 03:49:12PM -0700, jennyw ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "John Galt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > First of all, this is a Debian list, not a Progeny list. They are > > I thought this list was for general

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