On Aug 14, 10:09, Carl Fink wrote: > On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 10:55:00PM -0600, s. keeling wrote: > > > I just don't understand where you people come from. I've been > > installing Linux since SLS (ca '93), and I've never thought Debian's > > installer was anywhere near as bad as some of you people think it is. > > > > You seem to want something that you say, "Go!", then you go for a beer > > and come back to a fully installed, correctly configured system.
That would be nice, that way I could get on with something more productive, shell/perl scripting, reading up on the docs/protocols for a new application, teaching the juniors a new set of tasks or educating user on best practice. Installing a raid enabled server is noddy work, call me in at the end to harden and tweak it. > > > > Well, you're refugees from vendors who promised that BS and never > > delivered. Doesn't that tell you something? It doesn't happen. > > Sorry it took you so long to figure that out. Actually I am a refugee from the building game a chippie by trade, I may know how to use a hand saw and screwdriver but if I turned up on site without power tools, I would be told to F' off by the charge hand for wasting the guvenors time and money. > > Check this list's archives. I've been using Debian since Slink. I'm a > refugee from Windows 3.1 and OS/2 Warp, if I'm a refugee at all. > > While your description is exaggerated, what's wrong with an installer that > detects the hardware for me, so I don't have to manually set dozens or > hundreds of things? You seem to be implying that's bad. What's wrong with > an installer that lets me resize NTFS partitions? What's wrong with an > installer that fully supports RAID? Nothing at all it is ego and 'real men hack sendmail.cf by hand' syndrome. I want the best way to do a job, Debian once installed beats the pants off just about anything else I have ever played with but to get there with the minimum amount of pain. I have to use live CDs Knoppix, Gentoo and then use the Debian debootstrap script it is an ugly kludge but it works. > > Like I said, some people are too defensive about Debian, thinking that any > criticism or suggestion for improvement is the equivalent of slapping in the > face. Nothing or no one is perfect (it hurt me the first time to admit that) I deal with it and make the best of a bad job. Slink, Potato and Woody sucked to install especially slink since I was very new to Linux and system administration. Sarge though I haven't used it is said to be better, though I will bet it will be Debian 3.2 before it really starts to rock. Peace Jim -- keys: http://freesolutions.net/jim/pubkey.asc The best way to predict the future is to invent it. -- Alan Kay -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
