On Sat, Aug 14, 2004 at 09:20:10AM +1000, Paul Gear wrote:
I'm finding this mailing list a little hard to cope with. Some people on it think they know everything about Linux because they've been using Debian for 3 years. I've been using Linux for 10 years, but because i didn't use Debian from the beginning, i get treated like a newbie who doesn't understand what RAID is and obviously needs to "go back to Windows" since i don't think Debian's features are up to scratch and i think GUI installers are easier to use. For crying out loud, the last version of Windows that was the main OS on my PC was *Win95*, 9 years ago!
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It isn't just that, Paul. The people who've been working on debian-installer for years now are not eager to hear that several other distributions have better ones, which is what you (and I) have posted. It's understandable defensiveness, but it's still defensiveness.
There are things that limit the automaticity of d-i, like having to support more hardware platforms than, say, Knoppix -- but why can't one implement the following pseudo-code:
if (platform == x86){ use Knoppix hardware detection and X installer }else{ use the one from d-i }
I'm late on this, but I have to say that the debian installer was actually the best installer I've ever seen. It was very true to the ideas that makes Debian better than Fedora or Suse (This is just my opinion so don't argue about it)
I can install a non-GUI system in minutes with a minimum of interaction. Installation from a USB stick was just way too cool!
d-i found more hardware, correctly, than Suse 9.0 did for me and similarly with the Fedora release I was testing. I would have to argue that, with the recognition that d-i isn't supposed to do X windows, it's probably better than most in it's simplicity, reliability, and effectiveness.
If you insist upon having X-windows as part of the installation then you probably will only be happy with Windows, RedHat, and SuSE. I don't know that Slackware does X installation by default as do these others.
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