On 10/22/2014 02:42 PM, Doug wrote:
On 10/22/2014 07:04 AM, Jape Person wrote:
/snip/
I haven't paid a lot of attention to threads concerning systemd because of the
(unfortunate, though occasionally entertaining) hyperbole and innuendo employed
by so many. . . .
On 10/22/2014 07:04 AM, Jape Person wrote:
/snip/
I haven't paid a lot of attention to threads concerning systemd because of the
(unfortunate, though occasionally entertaining) hyperbole and innuendo employed
by so many. . . .
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Don Armstrong wrote:
> > Furthermore, the effect of this patch is trivially obtained by using
> > a late_command to remove systemd-sysv and install sysvinit-core.
>
> except for the various reported issues with all the things aptitude
> wants to remove
On Wed 22 Oct 2014 at 02:00:34 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 19:09:39 -0400
> Miles Fidelman wrote:
>
> > Brian wrote:
> > > On Tue 21 Oct 2014 at 15:01:18 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 17:19:08 +0200
> > >> Liam Proven wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> A blog p
On 10/22/2014 07:41 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 22. Oktober 2014, 07:04:12 schrieb Jape Person:
On 10/21/2014 09:22 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Don Armstrong wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
which is immediately followed by completely inaccurate information,
incl
Am Mittwoch, 22. Oktober 2014, 07:04:12 schrieb Jape Person:
> On 10/21/2014 09:22 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> > Don Armstrong wrote:
> >> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >>> which is immediately followed by completely inaccurate information,
> >>> including:
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
On 10/21/2014 09:22 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Don Armstrong wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
which is immediately followed by completely inaccurate information,
including:
--
"With jessie, it will become /easier/ to choose the init system, because
*neither init system is e
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 19:09:39 -0400
Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Brian wrote:
> > On Tue 21 Oct 2014 at 15:01:18 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 17:19:08 +0200
> >> Liam Proven wrote:
> >>
> >>> A blog post explaining why it isn't mandatory, the utter futility
> >>> of the fork a
On 21/10/14 at 03:01pm, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 17:19:08 +0200
> Liam Proven wrote:
>
> > A blog post explaining why it isn't mandatory, the utter futility of
> > the fork and more besides, clearly and simply.
> >
> > http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-avoiding-system
I agree that a fork is too radical, hard to maintain without money and
blah blah blah...
We just need "uselessd + new udev" to kick systemd entirely.
Then, if a problem appear, lets fix it. And if a new software
appearing depending on systemd as PID1, I'll not use it, simple as
that.
Again, I do
Don Armstrong wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
which is immediately followed by completely inaccurate information,
including:
--
"With jessie, it will become /easier/ to choose the init system, because
*neither init system is essential now*. Instead, there is an essential
m
Brian wrote:
On Tue 21 Oct 2014 at 15:01:18 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 17:19:08 +0200
Liam Proven wrote:
A blog post explaining why it isn't mandatory, the utter futility of
the fork and more besides, clearly and simply.
http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-avoid
On Tue 21 Oct 2014 at 15:01:18 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 17:19:08 +0200
> Liam Proven wrote:
>
> > A blog post explaining why it isn't mandatory, the utter futility of
> > the fork and more besides, clearly and simply.
> >
> > http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 23:17:56 +0200
"tor...@riseup.net" wrote:
> If one doesn't want systemd/libsystemd0, then Debian is not a good
> choice (having to tinker all the time one can just as well run one of
> the KISS distros).
>
> imho, of course.
Debian *was* a KISS distro. That's why a lot
of
Liam Proven:
> A blog post explaining why it isn't mandatory, the utter
> futility of the fork and more besides, clearly and simply.
> http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-avoiding-systemd.html
At least in Sid libsystemd0 is a dependency of the essential package
bsdutils https://package
repudiated and disavowed all alliance with.
But putting the author's agenda aside for a moment, he pins his
"Avoiding systemd isn't difficult" mantra on pinning. Umm, what happens
three years from now if Ian Jackson's GR votes against choice? Oops!
And once again,
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> which is immediately followed by completely inaccurate information,
> including:
>
> --
> "With jessie, it will become /easier/ to choose the init system, because
> *neither init system is essential now*. Instead, there is an essential
> meta-packag
jection is egregious.
No... my objection is that the referenced blog post is, itself,
egregious in being both inaccurate and full of polemics. Re. the first,
a post that starts with "Don't listen to trolls. They lie" - that's
pretty egregious in my book.
As to accuracy, the
On 10/21/2014 11:19 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
> A blog post explaining why it isn't mandatory, the utter futility of
> the fork and more besides, clearly and simply.
>
> http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-avoiding-systemd.html
Doesn't address - and nothing can satisfactorily address (im
On 21 October 2014 17:40, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Liam Proven wrote:
>>
>> A blog post explaining why it isn't mandatory, the utter futility of
>> the fork and more besides, clearly and simply.
>>
>> http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-avoiding-systemd.html
>>
>
> Would be nicer if it w
Liam Proven wrote:
A blog post explaining why it isn't mandatory, the utter futility of
the fork and more besides, clearly and simply.
http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-avoiding-systemd.html
Would be nicer if it was accurate.
For example, it talks about version pinning as a way
A blog post explaining why it isn't mandatory, the utter futility of
the fork and more besides, clearly and simply.
http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-avoiding-systemd.html
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On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 03:47:47PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> This one.
>
> The systemd package contains other dbus services that you don't want to try
> to exclude from a desktop system; and libpam-systemd provides necessary
> integration with policykit on those same systems.
So basically wh
Le 10/05/2014 21:49, Cameron Norman a écrit :
> Greetings John,
>
> El Sat, 10 de May 2014 a las 9:05 AM, John
> escribió:
>> After following the discussions of systemd (including everything on
>> debian-devel), I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering
>> attitudes of almost all systemd'
Hi John,
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 12:05:25PM -0400, John wrote:
> After following the discussions of systemd (including everything on
> debian-devel), I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering
> attitudes of almost all systemd's defenders. I don't trust them.
> Accordingly, I'd like to k
Greetings John,
El Sat, 10 de May 2014 a las 9:05 AM, John
escribió:
After following the discussions of systemd (including everything on
debian-devel), I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering
attitudes of almost all systemd's defenders. I don't trust them.
Accordingly, I'd like
After following the discussions of systemd (including everything on
debian-devel), I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering attitudes of
almost all systemd's defenders. I don't trust them. Accordingly, I'd like to
keep systemd off my machine (sid) to the extent practical until things
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