problem with debian 12.11 and session control...

2025-05-20 Thread Jean-François Bachelet
Hello folks ^^) I've a little problem that's bugging me : each time I reboot my machine I have all sort of stuff that open open (multiple Dolphin, firefox, etc...) but all this was closed thoroughly before reboot, and the '.config/session/' folder completely emptied. before, emptying this

Re: Repair or Replace

2025-05-20 Thread David Christensen
On 5/20/25 15:20, Steve Matzura wrote: After a year in storage, I'm trying to get a version 11 system back online. I connected it to power and network, then booted it. Interestingly, it appeared on my network not at the address it had when it went into storage, but one given it by my local DHCP

Re: Building an Android app using only Android SDK and development tools already available in Debian

2025-05-20 Thread Csányi Pál
Alex King ezt írta (időpont: 2025. máj. 21., Sze 3:02): > Please do update the wiki so that when I (and others) come to do the > same (which I'm planning to do soon) we can benefit from your learning. > > Thanks, > Alex > I'm happy to do that, I was thinking about it anyway. I just might need h

Re: Repair or Replace

2025-05-20 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 08:42:08PM -0500, Titus Newswanger wrote: > I recall seeing something similar, where I thought boot didn't complete, > then discovered if I tap the 'enter' key, the login prompt appeared. I > wasn't sure what caused that behavior, my guess is there may have been some >

Re: Building an Android app using only Android SDK and development tools already available in Debian

2025-05-20 Thread Alex King
Please do update the wiki so that when I (and others) come to do the same (which I'm planning to do soon) we can benefit from your learning. Thanks, Alex On 21/05/25 04:46, Csányi Pál wrote: ezt írta (időpont: 2025. máj. 20., K, 14:35): On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 02:01:34PM +0200, Csányi Pál wr

Re: Repair or Replace

2025-05-20 Thread Titus Newswanger
On 5/20/25 19:02, Felix Miata wrote: This is routine on all my Debian installations since long before Bullseye, continuing in Trixie. What seems to be the case is that tty1 is specially handled by Debian, and it appears the boot messages stop before boot completes. However, when boot has reache

Re: Repair or Replace

2025-05-20 Thread Felix Miata
Steve Matzura composed on 2025-05-20 18:20 (UTC-0400): > After a year in storage, I'm trying to get a version 11 system back > online. I connected it to power and network, then booted it. > Interestingly, it appeared on my network not at the address it had when > it went into storage, but one g

Re: Repair or Replace

2025-05-20 Thread Dan Purgert
On May 20, 2025, Steve Matzura wrote: > After a year in storage, I'm trying to get a version 11 system back online. > I connected it to power and network, then booted it. Interestingly, it > appeared on my network not at the address it had when it went into storage, > but one given it by my local D

Re: Repair or Replace

2025-05-20 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 06:20:33PM -0400, Steve Matzura wrote: > After a year in storage, I'm trying to get a version 11 system back online. > I connected it to power and network, then booted it. Interestingly, it > appeared on my network not at the address it had when it went into storage, > but o

Re: Repair or Replace

2025-05-20 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 06:20:33PM -0400, Steve Matzura wrote: > After a year in storage, I'm trying to get a version 11 system back online. > I connected it to power and network, then booted it. Interestingly, it > appeared on my network not at the address it had when it went into storage, >

Repair or Replace

2025-05-20 Thread Steve Matzura
After a year in storage, I'm trying to get a version 11 system back online. I connected it to power and network, then booted it. Interestingly, it appeared on my network not at the address it had when it went into storage, but one given it by my local DHCP server. The console scrolled, but not

Re: is there a bug in cp command ?

2025-05-20 Thread 🦓
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1106192 got filed now. why does reportbug not present me with coreutils' latest git-history now? why is there no apt debug coreutils mechanism yet? presenting everything in git-history with gdb-symbols and all object files for quick incremental make

Re: is there a bug in cp command ?

2025-05-20 Thread 🦓
Op di 20 mei 2025 om 20:05 schreef Greg Wooledge : > It's more likely to be something in your environment. What does "type -a > cp" say? It is likely to say Debian 12 environment in bugs.debian.org/coreutils after Uwu's reportbug cp On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 19:21:50 +0200, uw...@online.de wrote

Re: Arch Wiki (was Re: "Tips"?)

2025-05-20 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 16:38:16 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > In contrast my proposition means that when a new release happens we just > get a new set of pages, which start empty (this part can be done fully > automatically) and can be filled progressively, which should be much > more amenable to

Re: Arch Wiki (was Re: "Tips"?)

2025-05-20 Thread Stefan Monnier
Jonathan Dowland [2025-05-20 18:48:27] wrote: > On Tue May 20, 2025 at 4:04 PM BST, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> FWIW I didn't find "keep it up to date" useful feedback. >> Here's my view: replace each current page with a list of "per Debian >> version" pages. So, when someone edits a page, they don'

What is Chromium doing in the background?

2025-05-20 Thread Richmond
This is the output from iotop: chromium --show-component-extension-options --enable-gpu-rasterization --no-default-browser-check --disable-pings --media-router=0 --enable-remote-extensions --load-extension chromium --show-component-extension-options --enable-gpu-rasterization --no-default-brows

Re: What file does Linux use to...

2025-05-20 Thread tomas
On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 12:04:16PM -0400, COMCAST wrote: > That's a lot of drivel... or are you just wishing to see what you can > publish? If this is your reaction, I'll spare you my drivel, too. You won't hear from me further, promised. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Arch Wiki (was Re: "Tips"?)

2025-05-20 Thread debian-user
"Jonathan Dowland" wrote: > On Tue May 20, 2025 at 4:04 PM BST, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> FWIW I didn't find "keep it up to date" useful feedback. > > > > Here's my view: replace each current page with a list of "per Debian > > version" pages. So, when someone edits a page, they don't edit the

Re: is there a bug in cp command ?

2025-05-20 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 19:21:50 +0200, uw...@online.de wrote: > I solved the Problem for me by copy the File /usr/bin/cp from Debian 11 to > /usr/bin/cp2 on Debian 12 > > Now i can run "cp2 -ax / /mnt" and it works like expected. > > "cp -ax / /mnt" with original debian 12 cp brings error on thi

Re: Arch Wiki (was Re: "Tips"?)

2025-05-20 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue May 20, 2025 at 4:04 PM BST, Stefan Monnier wrote: FWIW I didn't find "keep it up to date" useful feedback. Here's my view: replace each current page with a list of "per Debian version" pages. So, when someone edits a page, they don't edit the "DebianBootstrap" page, but the "DebianBoot

Re: is there a bug in cp command ?

2025-05-20 Thread uw...@online.de
I solved the Problem for me by copy the File /usr/bin/cp from Debian 11 to /usr/bin/cp2 on Debian 12 Now i can run "cp2 -ax / /mnt" and it works like expected. "cp -ax / /mnt" with original debian 12 cp brings error on this point. You can test it. So there must be a difference between the old

Re: How to know when a fuse filesystem is properly unmounted

2025-05-20 Thread Tim Woodall
On Mon, 19 May 2025, songbird wrote: Tim Woodall wrote: Short script below that shows my problem. fusermount -u (and umount) both return before all the data is written out to the backing file on a fuse FS. Is there any way to tell when this is complete? I tried running fuse in the foreground a

Re: Arch Wiki (was Re: "Tips"?)

2025-05-20 Thread debian-user
Greg wrote: > On 2025-05-20, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> FWIW I didn't find "keep it up to date" useful feedback. > > > > Here's my view: replace each current page with a list of "per Debian > > version" pages. So, when someone edits a page, they don't edit the > > "DebianBootstrap" page, but t

Re: Building an Android app using only Android SDK and development tools already available in Debian

2025-05-20 Thread Csányi Pál
ezt írta (időpont: 2025. máj. 20., K, 14:35): > > On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 02:01:34PM +0200, Csányi Pál wrote: > > Csányi Pál ezt írta (időpont: 2025. máj. 20., K, > > 11:13): > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > on the Debian 12 Bookworm operating system I want to make android apps. > > > > > > I would f

Re: What file does Linux use to...

2025-05-20 Thread Charles Curley
On Tue, 20 May 2025 12:04:16 -0400 COMCAST wrote: > That's a lot of drivel... or are you just wishing to see what you can > publish? It's rather good advice, even if it is a bit much and unsolicited. I'll add to it: insulting people does not endear you to them. We're all volunteers here, and w

Re: What file does Linux use to...

2025-05-20 Thread COMCAST
That's a lot of drivel... or are you just wishing to see what you can publish? On 5/19/25 19:53, David Christensen wrote: Please use interleaved posting style rather than top-posting style: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style On 5/18/25 06:42, COMCAST wrote: > What file does in Linux

Re: Trixie - freeze? Questions

2025-05-20 Thread Dan Ritter
Hans wrote: > Dear list, > > now as trixie is is in frozen state I am asking myself, when best time to > upgrade to trixie. > > My systems are no important product systems, so small failures do not harm > much. > > First question: Would you recommend to upgrade now or just wait until the > o

Re: Arch Wiki (was Re: "Tips"?)

2025-05-20 Thread Joe
On Tue, 20 May 2025 10:56:05 +0100 "Jonathan Dowland" wrote: > On Mon May 19, 2025 at 2:03 PM BST, Greg wrote: > > On 2025-05-16, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > >> On Thu May 15, 2025 at 2:33 PM BST, Dan Ritter wrote: > >>> The most prominent issue I can see is that there is no unified > >>> sens

Re: Checking for a mount in a shell script

2025-05-20 Thread tomas
On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 11:35:14AM -0400, Lee wrote: > On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 10:08 AM tomas wrote: > > > > On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 09:45:11AM -0400, Lee wrote: > > > On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 9:33 AM wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > > What do you do if you get two USBs containing file systems with >

Re: Checking for a mount in a shell script

2025-05-20 Thread Lee
On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 10:08 AM tomas wrote: > > On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 09:45:11AM -0400, Lee wrote: > > On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 9:33 AM wrote: > > [...] > > > > What do you do if you get two USBs containing file systems with > > > the same UUID? > > > > Is that possible? I suppose it is.. so I'

Re: Arch Wiki (was Re: "Tips"?)

2025-05-20 Thread Greg
On 2025-05-20, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> FWIW I didn't find "keep it up to date" useful feedback. > > Here's my view: replace each current page with a list of "per Debian > version" pages. So, when someone edits a page, they don't edit the > "DebianBootstrap" page, but the "DebianBootstrap/trixie"

Re: Arch Wiki (was Re: "Tips"?)

2025-05-20 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 11:04:58 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > FWIW I didn't find "keep it up to date" useful feedback. > > Here's my view: replace each current page with a list of "per Debian > version" pages. So, when someone edits a page, they don't edit the > "DebianBootstrap" page, but th

Re: Checking for a mount in a shell script

2025-05-20 Thread tomas
On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 10:50:50AM -0400, Dan Purgert wrote: [...] > I used /mnt/backup because I only wanted the partition mounted while the > backup was running (it was one of several on that physical drive). The > backup script did the mount/rsync/unmount as part of the execution. > Really, th

Re: Building an Android app using only Android SDK and development tools already available in Debian

2025-05-20 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 8:36 AM Nicolas George wrote: > > Eduardo M KALINOWSKI (HE12025-05-20): > > You're really making your life much harder by not using Android Studio, but > > if you really want, here are some pointers (untested): > > Making one's life harder on the short term by refusing to u

Re: Arch Wiki (was Re: "Tips"?)

2025-05-20 Thread Stefan Monnier
> FWIW I didn't find "keep it up to date" useful feedback. Here's my view: replace each current page with a list of "per Debian version" pages. So, when someone edits a page, they don't edit the "DebianBootstrap" page, but the "DebianBootstrap/trixie" page. The "DebianBootstrap" page would presu

Re: Trixie - freeze? Questions

2025-05-20 Thread Erwan David
On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 04:44:25PM CEST, Hans said: > Dear list, > > now as trixie is is in frozen state I am asking myself, when best time to > upgrade to trixie. > > My systems are no important product systems, so small failures do not harm > much. > > First question: Would you recommend to

Re: Checking for a mount in a shell script

2025-05-20 Thread Dan Purgert
On May 20, 2025, Lee wrote: > On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 6:00 AM Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > > > On Tue May 20, 2025 at 6:41 AM BST, Kamil Jońca wrote: > > > why not > > > if ! mountpoint /mnt/usb-drive-b ; then ... > > > ? > > > > I'd not heard of either `mountpoint` or `findmnt` before. I see they'

Trixie - freeze? Questions

2025-05-20 Thread Hans
Dear list, now as trixie is is in frozen state I am asking myself, when best time to upgrade to trixie. My systems are no important product systems, so small failures do not harm much. First question: Would you recommend to upgrade now or just wait until the official release? Second question

Re: Arch Wiki (was Re: "Tips"?)

2025-05-20 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 14:21:32 -, Greg wrote: > On 2025-05-20, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 09:41:21 -0400, Lee wrote: > >> Yes, keeping the wikis up to date for the current release would be > >> nice. But there isn't staff dedicated to keeping everything current, > >> s

Re: Arch Wiki (was Re: "Tips"?)

2025-05-20 Thread John Hasler
Greg writes: > The wiki engine automatically displays a "last modified" timestamp > (it's at the bottom, in the light gray footer box), but you won't > immediately know whether that update was a major content rewrite, or a > typo correction. More useful might be a prominent field that specifies w

Re: Arch Wiki (was Re: "Tips"?)

2025-05-20 Thread Greg
On 2025-05-20, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 09:41:21 -0400, Lee wrote: >> Yes, keeping the wikis up to date for the current release would be >> nice. But there isn't staff dedicated to keeping everything current, >> so how about having a "last updated" or "last reviewed" date on

Re: Checking for a mount in a shell script

2025-05-20 Thread tomas
On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 09:45:11AM -0400, Lee wrote: > On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 9:33 AM wrote: [...] > > What do you do if you get two USBs containing file systems with > > the same UUID? > > Is that possible? I suppose it is.. so I'd go looking for how to > change the UUID for one of the usb dr

Re: Arch Wiki (was Re: "Tips"?)

2025-05-20 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 09:41:21 -0400, Lee wrote: > Yes, keeping the wikis up to date for the current release would be > nice. But there isn't staff dedicated to keeping everything current, > so how about having a "last updated" or "last reviewed" date on each > page so people would have an idea

Re: Checking for a mount in a shell script

2025-05-20 Thread Lee
On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 9:33 AM wrote: > > On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 09:30:37AM -0400, Lee wrote: > > On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 6:00 AM Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > > > > > On Tue May 20, 2025 at 6:41 AM BST, Kamil Jońca wrote: > > > > why not > > > > if ! mountpoint /mnt/usb-drive-b ; then ... > > > >

Re: Building an Android app using only Android SDK and development tools already available in Debian

2025-05-20 Thread debian-user
Csányi Pál wrote: > Hi, > > on the Debian 12 Bookworm operating system I want to make android > apps. > > I would follow the advice on these websites: > https://wiki.debian.org/AndroidTools > and > https://wiki.debian.org/AndroidTools/IntroBuildingApps > > Following the latter web page, the fol

Re: Arch Wiki (was Re: "Tips"?)

2025-05-20 Thread Lee
On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 9:31 AM Greg wrote: > > On 2025-05-20, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > >> > >> That's what I said more succinctly. Keep the wikis up to date (I thought > >> it went without saying "for Debian stable," though there's always a > >> myriad of ways to be misunderstood but normally on

Re: Checking for a mount in a shell script

2025-05-20 Thread tomas
On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 09:30:37AM -0400, Lee wrote: > On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 6:00 AM Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > > > On Tue May 20, 2025 at 6:41 AM BST, Kamil Jońca wrote: > > > why not > > > if ! mountpoint /mnt/usb-drive-b ; then ... > > > ? > > > > I'd not heard of either `mountpoint` or `fin

Re: Arch Wiki (was Re: "Tips"?)

2025-05-20 Thread Greg
On 2025-05-20, Jonathan Dowland wrote: >> >> That's what I said more succinctly. Keep the wikis up to date (I thought >> it went without saying "for Debian stable," though there's always a >> myriad of ways to be misunderstood but normally only one way to be so). > > FWIW I didn't find "keep it up

Re: Checking for a mount in a shell script

2025-05-20 Thread Lee
On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 6:00 AM Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > On Tue May 20, 2025 at 6:41 AM BST, Kamil Jońca wrote: > > why not > > if ! mountpoint /mnt/usb-drive-b ; then ... > > ? > > I'd not heard of either `mountpoint` or `findmnt` before. I see they're > both part of util-linux, so I guess as

Re: Installing android devenv in Debian 12

2025-05-20 Thread tomas
On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 04:24:46PM +0300, Roland Mueller wrote: > At least for Ubuntu 22.04 android-sdk-platform-23 is in the list of > available packages. > > $ apt list android-sdk\* > ... > android-sdk-platform-23/jammy,jammy 6.0.1+r72-6 all > ... For Debian, it seems to exist in buster, bulls

Re: Installing android devenv in Debian 12

2025-05-20 Thread Roland Mueller
At least for Ubuntu 22.04 android-sdk-platform-23 is in the list of available packages. $ apt list android-sdk\* ... android-sdk-platform-23/jammy,jammy 6.0.1+r72-6 all ... ti 20.5.2025 klo 13.16 Csányi Pál (csanyi...@gmail.com) kirjoitti: > Hi, > > on the Debian 12 Bookworm operating system I w

Re: Building an Android app using only Android SDK and development tools already available in Debian

2025-05-20 Thread tomas
On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 02:01:34PM +0200, Csányi Pál wrote: > Csányi Pál ezt írta (időpont: 2025. máj. 20., K, 11:13): > > > > Hi, > > > > on the Debian 12 Bookworm operating system I want to make android apps. > > > > I would follow the advice on these websites: > > https://wiki.debian.org/Androi

Re: Building an Android app using only Android SDK and development tools already available in Debian

2025-05-20 Thread Nicolas George
Eduardo M KALINOWSKI (HE12025-05-20): > You're really making your life much harder by not using Android Studio, but > if you really want, here are some pointers (untested): Making one's life harder on the short term by refusing to use an all-integrated monster is usually a good investment. > - Th

Re: Building an Android app using only Android SDK and development tools already available in Debian

2025-05-20 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On 20/05/2025 09:01, Csányi Pál wrote: Well, then, what is the solution to this problem? It is important that I follow the goal stated on the above website: "building an Android app using only Android SDK and development tools already available in Debian." You're really making your life much ha

Re: Building an Android app using only Android SDK and development tools already available in Debian

2025-05-20 Thread Csányi Pál
Csányi Pál ezt írta (időpont: 2025. máj. 20., K, 11:13): > > Hi, > > on the Debian 12 Bookworm operating system I want to make android apps. > > I would follow the advice on these websites: > https://wiki.debian.org/AndroidTools > and > https://wiki.debian.org/AndroidTools/IntroBuildingApps > > Fo

Re: Building an Android app using only Android SDK and development tools already available in Debian

2025-05-20 Thread Csányi Pál
Brieuc Desoutter ezt írta (időpont: 2025. máj. 20., K, 12:02): > > Hum how about installing Jetbrains Android studio (via the jetbrains toolbox > https://www.jetbrains.com/toolbox-app/) > > It will take care of downloading all the necessary tools, frameworks and > emulator for you… But I want to

Re: Building an Android app using only Android SDK and development tools already available in Debian

2025-05-20 Thread tomas
On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 01:02:35PM +0300, Brieuc Desoutter wrote: > Hum how about installing Jetbrains Android studio (via the jetbrains > toolbox > https://www.jetbrains.com/toolbox-app/) It has a funny license, though. Source is free, binaries aren't. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: P

Re: Building an Android app using only Android SDK and development tools already available in Debian

2025-05-20 Thread Brieuc Desoutter
Hum how about installing Jetbrains Android studio (via the jetbrains toolbox https://www.jetbrains.com/toolbox-app/) It will take care of downloading all the necessary tools, frameworks and emulator for you… On Tue, 20 May 2025 at 12:30 Csányi Pál wrote: > Hi, > > on the Debian 12 Bookworm oper

Re: Checking for a mount in a shell script

2025-05-20 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue May 20, 2025 at 6:41 AM BST, Kamil Jońca wrote: why not if ! mountpoint /mnt/usb-drive-b ; then ... ? I'd not heard of either `mountpoint` or `findmnt` before. I see they're both part of util-linux, so I guess as likely as each other to be available (which is one criterion I would use

Re: Arch Wiki (was Re: "Tips"?)

2025-05-20 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon May 19, 2025 at 2:03 PM BST, Greg wrote: On 2025-05-16, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Thu May 15, 2025 at 2:33 PM BST, Dan Ritter wrote: The most prominent issue I can see is that there is no unified sense of chronology. That is, I can look at a page and not have any idea whether it is cor

Android development tools on Debian [was: empty subject]

2025-05-20 Thread tomas
On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 11:08:28AM +0200, Csányi Pál wrote: > Hi, > > on the Debian 12 Bookworm operating system I want to make android apps. > > I would follow the advice on these websites: > https://wiki.debian.org/AndroidTools > and > https://wiki.debian.org/AndroidTools/IntroBuildingApps > >

Building an Android app using only Android SDK and development tools already available in Debian

2025-05-20 Thread Csányi Pál
Hi, on the Debian 12 Bookworm operating system I want to make android apps. I would follow the advice on these websites: https://wiki.debian.org/AndroidTools and https://wiki.debian.org/AndroidTools/IntroBuildingApps Following the latter web page, the following command cannot be executed on Debi

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2025-05-20 Thread Csányi Pál
Hi, on the Debian 12 Bookworm operating system I want to make android apps. I would follow the advice on these websites: https://wiki.debian.org/AndroidTools and https://wiki.debian.org/AndroidTools/IntroBuildingApps Following the latter web page, the following command cannot be executed on Debi