Hi,
after spending two days trying unsuccesfuly to have a usable Jessie with one
of the defaults DE
and with no systemd utilities, i decided the following. In the companie's pc's
i support, i'll continue with
Wheezy and if there is no a clear path to Jessie without a trace of systemd
until
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 18:41:21 -0700
Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2014, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 12:45:11 -0700
> > Patrick Bartek wrote:
> >
> > > After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to
> > > systemd, I wonder... What is a better alternative?
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 19:09:39 -0400
Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Brian wrote:
> > On Tue 21 Oct 2014 at 15:01:18 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 17:19:08 +0200
> >> Liam Proven wrote:
> >>
> >>> A blog post explaining why it isn't mandatory, the utter futility
> >>> of the fork a
On 21/10/14 at 03:01pm, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 17:19:08 +0200
> Liam Proven wrote:
>
> > A blog post explaining why it isn't mandatory, the utter futility of
> > the fork and more besides, clearly and simply.
> >
> > http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-avoiding-system
On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:20:03 AM UTC+5:30, Lee Winter wrote:
> As a corollary question, are the debian installer isos bootable as is, or is
> it mandatory that they be burned to media (CD/DVD/USB) and the media booted?
Here is a grub menu entry that can boot ubuntu from an iso image
men
Okay, I surrender.
I'll use this systemd thing and shut up.
Nice talk these days guys!
I'll not bother anyone else any longer... :-)
Best,
Thiago
On 22 October 2014 00:51, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
> OMFG! Just did an upgrade and guess what?! A "new" packaged appeared,
> called: "libsystemd0
On 21/10/14 15:10, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Scott Ferguson wrote:
>> Good question Patrick - top posted as I'm referring to the Subject.
>>
>> On 21/10/14 06:45, Patrick Bartek wrote:
>>> After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to systemd,
>>> I wonder... What is a better alternat
On 21/10/14 17:41, Michael Ole Olsen wrote:
> Who needs to document their own pc they hack on daily?
Most humans?
No one knows what they've forgotten.
The more important a customisation is - the longer you'll use it, the
more likely you'll forget it (or the details of it), and the more
critical
I agree that a fork is too radical, hard to maintain without money and
blah blah blah...
We just need "uselessd + new udev" to kick systemd entirely.
Then, if a problem appear, lets fix it. And if a new software
appearing depending on systemd as PID1, I'll not use it, simple as
that.
Again, I do
On 10/21/2014 08:12 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> It occurs to me that the whole notion of packaging and distros may be
> becoming less and less relevant.
Well if everybody is forced to use systemd you'll be right. All the distros
will _have_ to be the same. Maybe the packaging will remain unique.
OMFG! Just did an upgrade and guess what?! A "new" packaged appeared,
called: "libsystemd0"...
root@jessie-1:~# apt-get purge libsystemd0:amd64
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
bsdmainutils* bsdutils*
Just do:
apt-get install sysvinit-core
That's it.
On 21 October 2014 11:41, basti wrote:
> Hello,
> weeks ago someone write an Howto, "Replace Systemd on Jessie with Sysinit".
> Perhaps it was Dan Ritter?
> I cant find this mail anymore, can somebody help please?
>
> Regards,
> Basti
>
>
> --
>
root@jessie-1:~# lsb_release -ra
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID: Debian
Description: Debian GNU/Linux testing (jessie)
Release: testing
Codename: jessie
root@jessie-1:~# dpkg -l | grep dbus
root@jessie-1:~# dpkg -l | grep systemd
See? No systemd, no dbus. Still perfect!
Hey, remem
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
> Does Debian still have a systemd-must-die metapackage, and does it
> still work in Jessie?
>From Thorsten:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/06/msg00521.html
And Andrei noted:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/06/msg00587.h
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 03:41:56PM +0200, basti wrote:
> Hello,
> weeks ago someone write an Howto, "Replace Systemd on Jessie with Sysinit".
> Perhaps it was Dan Ritter?
> I cant find this mail anymore, can somebody help please?
>
> Regards,
> Basti
Hi Basti,
maybe this one can help you -
http
A good place to start would be with Linux Mint LMDE
http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php
On 10/18/2014 11:54 AM, Nilesh Kumar wrote:
Sir, can you tell whether Cinnamon desktop environment is available in
jessie release or not.
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2014, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 12:45:11 -0700
> Patrick Bartek wrote:
>
> > After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to
> > systemd, I wonder... What is a better alternative?
>
> * Nosh
> * Runit
> * Upstart
> * S6
> * Probably more I don't know
Don Armstrong wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
which is immediately followed by completely inaccurate information,
including:
--
"With jessie, it will become /easier/ to choose the init system, because
*neither init system is essential now*. Instead, there is an essential
m
I'll try uselessd before anything else more radical...
But, Paul from debian.org told me (us) that systemd will NOT replace dpkg/apt.
Again, lets try uselessd. It already seems much better than upstart
(just a guess)...;-P
Also, apparently, we're getting off-topic with this subject around
he
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> On 21/10/14 06:45, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > [snip]
> >
> > So, what would you all propose? For a server? Or for a user
> > desktop? Or something that fulfills both scenarios? And why?
>
>
> One of the difficulties is that there is no clear distin
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It occurs to me that the whole notion of packaging and distros may be
becoming less and less relevant.
I'm serious considering moving to a continuous integration toolchain
(Chef or Puppet + Jenkins, or some such) and just building/maintaining
our servers directly from upstream source.
Though
I have heard this is possible but not seen any
examples.
It doesn't matter if I have to change the kernel to
get it.
I have written a program [1] in C++ that uses polling,
but I was told that wasn't good enough so now I search
for a "preemptive" or interrupt-based solution.
Any help very much ap
Brian wrote:
On Tue 21 Oct 2014 at 15:01:18 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 17:19:08 +0200
Liam Proven wrote:
A blog post explaining why it isn't mandatory, the utter futility of
the fork and more besides, clearly and simply.
http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-avoid
On Tue 21 Oct 2014 at 18:41:53 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> Does Debian still have a systemd-must-die metapackage, and does it
> still work in Jessie?
It has never had one in the first place. The answer to your question
follows from that.
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On Tue 21 Oct 2014 at 22:54:19 +0200, lee wrote:
> Brian writes:
>
> >> On Sun 19 Oct 2014 at 01:19:51 +0200, lee wrote:
> >>
> >> At least they are supporting others in breaking RFCs, and I wonder how
> >> that could not be against their own interests. In any case, it
> >> classifies them as (
On Mon 20 Oct 2014 at 21:19:05 +0200, lee wrote:
> Brian writes:
>
> > [I may be misunderstanding how your mail system works but your Date:
> > header doesn't look right]
> >
> >
> > On Sun 19 Oct 2014 at 00:53:44 +0200, lee wrote:
> >
> >> Brian writes:
> >>
> >> > On Fri 17 Oct 2014 at 03:15
On Tue 21 Oct 2014 at 15:01:18 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 17:19:08 +0200
> Liam Proven wrote:
>
> > A blog post explaining why it isn't mandatory, the utter futility of
> > the fork and more besides, clearly and simply.
> >
> > http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 23:17:56 +0200
"tor...@riseup.net" wrote:
> If one doesn't want systemd/libsystemd0, then Debian is not a good
> choice (having to tinker all the time one can just as well run one of
> the KISS distros).
>
> imho, of course.
Debian *was* a KISS distro. That's why a lot
of
On Tue 21 Oct 2014 at 23:14:18 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Ma, 21 oct 14, 15:46:44, Lee Winter wrote:
>
> > As a corollary question, are the debian installer isos bootable as is, or
> > is it mandatory that they be burned to media (CD/DVD/USB) and the media
> > booted? For example, severa
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 23:11:46 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Ma, 21 oct 14, 15:17:58, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> > In default new-installed Jessie, does the kernel still hand off to
> > the program called /sbin/init during boot, or does it do something
> > else?
>
> Yes it does, unless you overri
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:14:00 +1100
Andrew McGlashan wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> Thanks for the cc in this case, your message never made it to the
> list, it was /probably/ silently dropped changing the subject
> line to see if it helps *this* mess
I have heard this is possible but not seen any
examples.
It doesn't matter if I have to change the kernel to
get it.
I have written a program [1] in C++ that uses polling,
but I was told that wasn't good enough so now I search
for a "preemptive" or interrupt-based solution.
Any help very much ap
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 00:58:27 +0200
lee wrote:
> berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes:
>
> > But my opinion is that, it's the accumulation of tools using
> > different slow languages, which will kill the computer's resources
> > (shell, python2, python3, php, perl, basic, whatever).
>
> Perl isn
Rob Owens:
I'm not sure what is meant by "nobody has taken ownership of the
> 'request for package' bug". If that's something that needs to be
> done, tell me what is required and I'll see if I can do it.
It is Debian bug #763499, for reference.
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Liam Proven:
> A blog post explaining why it isn't mandatory, the utter
> futility of the fork and more besides, clearly and simply.
> http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-avoiding-systemd.html
At least in Sid libsystemd0 is a dependency of the essential package
bsdutils https://package
Brian writes:
>> On Sun 19 Oct 2014 at 01:19:51 +0200, lee wrote:
>>
>> At least they are supporting others in breaking RFCs, and I wonder how
>> that could not be against their own interests. In any case, it
>> classifies them as (at least potentially very) unreliable.
>
> This is first time I'
On Ma, 21 oct 14, 22:45:20, Chris wrote:
>
> $ls -lah |grep apt
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15K Sep 23 08:20 apt
The script is not executable ;)
Kind regards,
Andrei
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On Monday 20 October 2014 20:58:48 Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 20 oct 14, 20:39:59, Chris wrote:
> > Yes, I do have anacron installed because I thought that might be the
> > problem.
>
> If you have anacron installed the jobs will be run by anacron, but you
> already have proven that daily cron
On Ma, 21 oct 14, 15:38:46, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Ludovic Meyer wrote:
>
> >For example, spotify decided to switch to Ubuntu rather than keeping Debian,
> >and
> >if you look around, they are not the only ones.
>
> And you're attributing that to Debian dragging its feet on systemd?
>
> As I r
On Ma, 21 oct 14, 15:46:44, Lee Winter wrote:
> It appears to me that it should be possible to run the Debian Installer
> just as a program and a set of package files rather than as a bootable
> image containing both. So, given a bootable image in .ISO or .img format,
> how can the image be transf
On Ma, 21 oct 14, 15:17:58, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> In default new-installed Jessie, does the kernel still hand off to the
> program called /sbin/init during boot, or does it do something else?
Yes it does, unless you override it on the command line with an init=
parameter.
Kind regards,
Andrei
-
Ludovic Meyer wrote:
For example, spotify decided to switch to Ubuntu rather than keeping Debian, and
if you look around, they are not the only ones.
And you're attributing that to Debian dragging its feet on systemd?
As I recall, the explicit reason Ubuntu finally decided to adopt systemd
w
Steve Litt writes:
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2014 14:20:25 +0200
> lee wrote:
>
>
>> Since you're re-inventing the wheel:
>>
>> // sxnotify.c
> [...]
>>
>> # aptitude install libsx-dev
>
> Very, very nice!
I'm glad you like it :) There's also 'xmessage', and it requires you to
click on a button, whi
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes:
> But my opinion is that, it's the accumulation of tools using different
> slow languages, which will kill the computer's resources (shell,
> python2, python3, php, perl, basic, whatever).
Perl isn't exactly slow, considering what it does.
In any case, pick
Peter Buzanits writes:
> Am 2014-10-19 um 13:47 schrieb lee:
>
>>> I have a problem on 2 Wheezy installations in Vmware, if I want to set
>>> quota for a user:
>>>
>>> bastelecke:~# quotatool -u tutor -bq 2000M -l 2500M /
>>> quotatool: Error while detecting kernel quota version: No such file or
Brian writes:
> [I may be misunderstanding how your mail system works but your Date:
> header doesn't look right]
>
>
> On Sun 19 Oct 2014 at 00:53:44 +0200, lee wrote:
>
>> Brian writes:
>>
>> > On Fri 17 Oct 2014 at 03:15:49 +0200, lee wrote:
>> >
>> >> There is no mentioning of /etc/mailname
It appears to me that it should be possible to run the Debian Installer
just as a program and a set of package files rather than as a bootable
image containing both. So, given a bootable image in .ISO or .img format,
how can the image be transformed into an executable program and associated
packag
Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:18:49 +0200
Raffaele Morelli wrote:
Here are some interesting things one should be aware of before
http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html
We've all read that. My favorite Poettering manifesto is the one where
he talks of systemd subsum
- Original Message -
> From: "Jonathan Dowland"
>
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 10:00:21AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> > I'm not sure what is meant by "nobody has taken ownership of the 'request
> > for
> > package' bug". If that's something that needs to be done, tell me what is
> > required
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:02:38AM -0700, Rusi Mody wrote:
> There are other choices to
> - do nothing as weve done for 20 years
> - do it now
>
> In particular, one can take a holistic view: not just Stable -> Jessie,
> but rather Stable -> Jessie -> Jessie+1
>
> and work out the least disrupt
Hi all,
In the past, I've been taught that the very last thing the kernel does
during boot is run whatever program is called /sbin/init. And
therefore, I can replace /sbin/init with the PID1 of my choice, always
assuming I can connect the myriad of dots.
In default new-installed Jessie, does the
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 17:19:08 +0200
Liam Proven wrote:
> A blog post explaining why it isn't mandatory, the utter futility of
> the fork and more besides, clearly and simply.
>
> http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-avoiding-systemd.html
What I really like about the blog is that, almos
Steve Litt writes:
> Let's say that, in six months from now, Debian's uselessd package is
> ready for prime time. Would there be any reason some enterprising
> person couldn't simply copy it to another repository (hopefully a
> trusted one), so that people could add that repository and thus
> insta
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 02:46:46AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:12:17 +0200
> Ludovic Meyer wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 09:34:48PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 12:45:11 -0700
> > > Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > >
> > > > After much vitriolic gnash
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> which is immediately followed by completely inaccurate information,
> including:
>
> --
> "With jessie, it will become /easier/ to choose the init system, because
> *neither init system is essential now*. Instead, there is an essential
> meta-packag
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:18:49 +0200
Raffaele Morelli wrote:
> Here are some interesting things one should be aware of before
> http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html
We've all read that. My favorite Poettering manifesto is the one where
he talks of systemd subsuming packaging sy
You guys can count on me to help testing uselessd in Debian/Ubuntu! I would
like to participate.
On 21 October 2014 16:02, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 09:11:32 +0100
> Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Please do not top-post.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 05:27:34AM -0200,
On Tue, 10/21/14, Steve Litt wrote:
Subject: Re: If Not Systemd, then What?
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2014, 1:02 PM
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 09:11:32 +0100
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 05:27:34AM -0200, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
> If usel
This thread is off topic for -user. If you want to discuss this further,
please use
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic.
If you want more information about systemd, see https://wiki.debian.org/systemd.
If you want to avoid using systemd, simply don't install the
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 09:16:50 +0100
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 07:39:06PM -0500, goli...@riseup.net wrote:
> > Check out the outstanding progress that fsmithred and dzz are making
> > with a systemd-free Refracta:
>
> This is off-topic for the Debian User mailing list. Plea
Liam Proven wrote:
On 21 October 2014 17:40, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Liam Proven wrote:
A blog post explaining why it isn't mandatory, the utter futility of
the fork and more besides, clearly and simply.
http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-avoiding-systemd.html
Would be nicer if it
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 09:11:32 +0100
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Please do not top-post.
>
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 05:27:34AM -0200, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
> > If uselessd provides ONLY a new init, based on CGroups and lots of
> > cool ideas from systemd itself, then, it worth trying it!
Florent Peterschmitt wrote:
Le 21/10/2014 18:46, Peter Nieman a écrit :
On 21/10/14 17:53, Doug wrote:
What do you suggest instead of cups? Or do you not print?
I'm using good old lpr with a self-made GUI. I consider cups an obese
replacement of something I never had a problem with.
But even t
On 21 October 2014 19:18, Florent Peterschmitt wrote:
> Le 21/10/2014 18:46, Peter Nieman a écrit :
>> On 21/10/14 17:53, Doug wrote:
>>> What do you suggest instead of cups? Or do you not print?
>>
>> I'm using good old lpr with a self-made GUI. I consider cups an obese
>> replacement of somethin
On Tue 21 Oct 2014 at 15:41:56 +0200, basti wrote:
> weeks ago someone write an Howto, "Replace Systemd on Jessie with Sysinit".
> Perhaps it was Dan Ritter?
> I cant find this mail anymore, can somebody help please?
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/09/msg00969.html
The first step of in
Le 21/10/2014 18:46, Peter Nieman a écrit :
> On 21/10/14 17:53, Doug wrote:
>> What do you suggest instead of cups? Or do you not print?
>
> I'm using good old lpr with a self-made GUI. I consider cups an obese
> replacement of something I never had a problem with.
> But even though I don't have
On 10/21/2014 11:19 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
> A blog post explaining why it isn't mandatory, the utter futility of
> the fork and more besides, clearly and simply.
>
> http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-avoiding-systemd.html
Doesn't address - and nothing can satisfactorily address (im
On 21/10/14 17:53, Doug wrote:
What do you suggest instead of cups? Or do you not print?
I'm using good old lpr with a self-made GUI. I consider cups an obese
replacement of something I never had a problem with.
But even though I don't have cups, I can't get rid of libcups2. If I try
to remov
Ahoj,
Dňa Thu, 16 Oct 2014 08:34:34 -0700 Don Armstrong
napísal:
> On Thu, 16 Oct 2014, Slavko wrote:
> > aptitude search -w 60 -F "%c%a %p %v" '~i?depends(libsystemd0)'
> [...]
> > LANG=C dpkg -l libsystemd0
> > dpkg-query: no packages found matching libsystemd0
> [...]
> > aptitude search -w
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Henning Follmann wrote:
> Why do you want to do nat on the DomU interface?
> You should do nat on the vpn interface.
Hi Henning,
it was a desperate try. ;) Anyway I got it working now, after copying
the original
On 21 October 2014 17:40, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Liam Proven wrote:
>>
>> A blog post explaining why it isn't mandatory, the utter futility of
>> the fork and more besides, clearly and simply.
>>
>> http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-avoiding-systemd.html
>>
>
> Would be nicer if it w
On 10/21/2014 01:03 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Montag, 20. Oktober 2014, 19:49:43 schrieb Jimmy Johnson:
So, what would you all propose? For a server? Or for a user desktop?
Or something that fulfills both scenarios? And why?
Just wondering.
See above and unless you are a tester or d
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 10:00:21AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> I'm not sure what is meant by "nobody has taken ownership of the 'request for
> package' bug". If that's something that needs to be done, tell me what is
> required and I'll see if I can do it.
There is a bug, it's currently a "request
Liam Proven wrote:
A blog post explaining why it isn't mandatory, the utter futility of
the fork and more besides, clearly and simply.
http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-avoiding-systemd.html
Would be nicer if it was accurate.
For example, it talks about version pinning as a way
On 10/21/2014 07:06 AM, Peter Nieman wrote:
> On 21/10/14 00:48, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
>> If this Debian Fork doesn't make use of:
>>
>> systemd
>> dbus
>> pam
>> gnome
>>
>> And uses EFL + E19, then, I'm in!
>
> As far as I am concerned, you can add cups and a few other things to this
> list, t
A blog post explaining why it isn't mandatory, the utter futility of
the fork and more besides, clearly and simply.
http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014102101-avoiding-systemd.html
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 14:59:07 +0100
Martin Read wrote:
> On 21/10/14 13:31, j...@ageinggracefully.ca wrote:
> > I run xfce on jessie/sid. I zapped my desktop when trying to stop a process
> > using the task manager.
> >
> > This happened to me a few years ago and I've forgotten how I fixed it.
>
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 03:41:56PM +0200, basti wrote:
> Hello,
> weeks ago someone write an Howto, "Replace Systemd on Jessie with Sysinit".
> Perhaps it was Dan Ritter?
> I cant find this mail anymore, can somebody help please?
>
https://randomstring.org/blog/blog/2014/10/14/removing-systemd-fr
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 02:51:41PM +0200, Denis Witt wrote:
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> Hi list,
>
> yay, some non systemd related traffic. ;)
>
> I try to migrate an OpenVPN-Server/Gateway to a Xen DomU (old config is
> working fine). Connection to the VPN works fine
On 2014-10-20, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to systemd,
Oh shit.
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> From: "Jonathan Dowland"
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 05:27:34AM -0200, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
> > If uselessd provides ONLY a new init, based on CGroups and lots of
> > cool ideas from systemd itself, then, it worth trying it! Just for
> > fun...
>
> I think it's an i
Came across this yesterday - good for a morning laugh:
http://www.muylinux.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/funny-systemd.gif
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On 2014-10-20, Alan Greenberger wrote:
> On 2014-10-20, Alan Greenberger wrote:
>> Thank you for responding.
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>> On 2014-10-20, Darac Marjal wrote:
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On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 11:33:23PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
> If it makes you happy. Freedom of choice is one benefit of Linux.
> Personally, I like systemd and the fast boots it provides, plus the ease of
> administration.
Glad you like systemd for
Hello,
weeks ago someone write an Howto, "Replace Systemd on Jessie with Sysinit".
Perhaps it was Dan Ritter?
I cant find this mail anymore, can somebody help please?
Regards,
Basti
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On 21/10/14 13:31, j...@ageinggracefully.ca wrote:
I run xfce on jessie/sid. I zapped my desktop when trying to stop a process
using the task manager.
This happened to me a few years ago and I've forgotten how I fixed it.
I believe the program you want to run is "xfdesktop".
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:12:17 +0200
Ludovic Meyer wrote:
* Upstart
no longer developped, and suffer from several bugs, go read the
tech-ctte debate.
I read it, and if Upstart problems were the most distressing thing in
that debate, I'd be a happy man. If Upstart is no long
I run xfce on jessie/sid. I zapped my desktop when trying to stop a process
using the task manager.
This happened to me a few years ago and I've forgotten how I fixed it.
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Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 08:25:31AM +0200, Ludovic Meyer wrote:
Even with the addition 10 to 20 people posting on systemd,
it shouldn't be a issue.
Andrei's point was not that the list /infrastructure/ was at risk, but
that debian-user - this list - was essentially subjec
Hi.
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 02:58:45PM +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a debian wheezy machine with 12GB RAM and 500GB 7200 RPM harddrive WD
> black 32MB cache.
>
> copying host node (local or remote) working fine. however when i create a KVM
> guest on the top and try t
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Hi list,
yay, some non systemd related traffic. ;)
I try to migrate an OpenVPN-Server/Gateway to a Xen DomU (old config is
working fine). Connection to the VPN works fine, routing doesn't.
On the old machine (bare metal) I used:
iptables -t nat -
On 10/21/2014 12:39 PM, st wrote:
goli...@riseup.net wrote:
Just in case you haven't seen this elsewhere:
http://debianfork.org/
Hi
Fork comes from the same guy
Original info (french, sorry)
https://linuxfr.org/users/almin/journaux/un-fork-de-debian-a-cause-de-systemd
Approximate translatio
On 10/21/2014 1:08 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
> Jonathan de Boyne Pollard, what's your impression of the relative boot
> time of nosh vs systemd?
The *only* real world scenario that I can see where the boot speed
difference is only really meaningful in the world of cloud based VM
server farms, and I r
On 2014-10-20, John Garret wrote:
> Debian backports security patches (etc) to its stable distribution, which can
> be used for years and years.
> RHEL does too, but this costs subscription money.
> If debian becomes unstable (via systemd etc) and ever more subject to churn,
> that's some compet
On 21/10/14 00:48, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
If this Debian Fork doesn't make use of:
systemd
dbus
pam
gnome
And uses EFL + E19, then, I'm in!
As far as I am concerned, you can add cups and a few other things to
this list, too. And the word "udev" doesn't have alltogether positive
connotations
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, lumin wrote:
> This is a question about debian bug tracking system.
> In order to use the BTS properly, I have read this page:
> https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
> but I wonder if I can fill in the "Version:"
> field directly with git commit number such as
> ""78a6aac25596
On 10/20/2014 10:36 PM, Martinx - ジェームズ
wrote:
> 1- Fork udev (out from systemd's tree or before it got merged / engulfed);
Maybe Gentoo's eudev would be a good place to start with that.
I also don't see why OpenRC isn't on the list of obvious choices. It is
the default in Gentoo and has been fo
Konstantin Khomoutov dixit:
>Sometimes we have to run software which is neither Open Source nor Free
>on our systems which are (luckily) Open Source and Free.
Things like f-prot are shipped statically linked, when in their
binary form for OpenBSD. And binary compatibility only goes so
far either
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