Re: removal of svenl from the project

I don't follow this list often.. so you'd have to excuse me. But i read this subject, and i have to tell that i meet Svenl at debconf5 and always i have needed him he has been there. He is a really great/good guy.So i just want to tell, i did not like this subject, topic or thread at all. My suppor

Re: The problem with killfiles, and other musings [Was: Re: removal of svenl from the project]

On Mon, Mar 20, 2006 at 02:24:23AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Sun, Mar 19, 2006 at 12:28:14PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > I was going to make a large answer where i was going to denouse the > > inexactitudes and false claims of this clearly inflamatory mail, but i will > > refrain from

Re: The problem with killfiles, and other musings [Was: Re: removal of svenl from the project]

On Sun, Mar 19, 2006 at 12:28:14PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > I was going to make a large answer where i was going to denouse the > inexactitudes and false claims of this clearly inflamatory mail, but i will > refrain from doing so. > I wonder if Steve, and others of the 'esteemed' DDs, is follo

Re: The problem with killfiles, and other musings [Was: Re: removal of svenl from the project]

On Sun, Mar 19, 2006 at 12:34:09PM +, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > * Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-19 12:28]: > > Anyway, Steve, please try to live up to your own standard, and cut > > the ad-hominem attacks out in the future. > > Describing the situation as it is perceived by many peo

Re: The problem with killfiles, and other musings [Was: Re: removal of svenl from the project]

* Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-19 12:28]: > Anyway, Steve, please try to live up to your own standard, and cut > the ad-hominem attacks out in the future. Describing the situation as it is perceived by many people doesn't really count as ad-hominem attacks. Maybe for once you should l

Re: The problem with killfiles, and other musings [Was: Re: removal of svenl from the project]

Well, I was going to make a large answer where i was going to denouse the inexactitudes and false claims of this clearly inflamatory mail, but i will refrain from doing so. I wonder if Steve, and others of the 'esteemed' DDs, is following his own advice, and rereading the mails he writes, and if

The problem with killfiles, and other musings [Was: Re: removal of svenl from the project]

As much as I'd love to see this thread die, I think the superficially reasonable (but actually quite ridiculous) suggestion of using killfiles should be addressed. On Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 01:41:42PM +0100, Jonas Meurer wrote: > On 17/03/2006 Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > pe, 2006-03-17 kello 14:46 +11

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On 16-Mar-06, 21:39 (CST), Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Daniel" == Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Daniel> The following is technically a well-formed diff: > > Daniel> --- init/main.c.orig2006-03-15 23:11:48.0 +0200 > Daniel> +++ init/main.c

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Sat, Mar 18, 2006 at 03:07:41PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > On 10595 March 1977, Sven Luther wrote: > > > There is a difference here though, this is my public process for expulsion, > > No, this is a random flamewar on a random list and has *nothing* to do > with any actually running process

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On 10595 March 1977, Sven Luther wrote: > There is a difference here though, this is my public process for expulsion, No, this is a random flamewar on a random list and has *nothing* to do with any actually running process anywhere. > and i believe i should have the right to be heard. No mail i

Re: removal of svenl from the project

> "Jonas" == Jonas Meurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> With the understanding that we're now not talking about Sven Luther but >> a hypothetical highly abusive person, I wish to ask Brian the following >> question: do you think there are any circumstances under which Debian >

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On 17/03/2006 Lars Wirzenius wrote: > pe, 2006-03-17 kello 14:46 +1100, Brian May kirjoitti: > > Would the next step be to ban Sven from participating in our public > > mailing lists? > > With the understanding that we're now not talking about Sven Luther but > a hypothetical highly abusive person

Re: removal of svenl from the project

pe, 2006-03-17 kello 14:46 +1100, Brian May kirjoitti: > Would the next step be to ban Sven from participating in our public > mailing lists? With the understanding that we're now not talking about Sven Luther but a hypothetical highly abusive person, I wish to ask Brian the following question: do

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 02:34:27PM +1100, Brian May wrote: > I can't help but get the impression Daniel may have prematurely > discounted the patch - admittedly I may not understand the issues > though. I dismissed the X patch Sven sent me because it was fundamentally wrong. No amount of changes t

Re: removal of svenl from the project

> "Samuel" == Samuel Mimram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Samuel> Sorry for not doing this but this mail made me discover Samuel> you expulsion thing and I wanted to give my public support Samuel> to Sven at least once. Me too. I have found him to be very friendly and open to discus

Re: removal of svenl from the project

> "Eduard" == Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Eduard> Sven, you have a problem with not having the last word in Eduard> a dispute. If someone hurts you (or even it may _look_ Eduard> for you this way while it has not been meant to be Eduard> offensive), you cannot sto

Re: removal of svenl from the project

> "Andres" == Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andres> If I didn't care about etch, I could just as easily sit Andres> back and let Sven do his thing (as I have been doing for Andres> the past few months); however, I would like to see the Andres> release happen. Give

Re: removal of svenl from the project

> "Daniel" == Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Daniel> The following is technically a well-formed diff: Daniel> --- init/main.c.orig2006-03-15 23:11:48.0 +0200 Daniel> +++ init/main.c 2006-03-15 23:12:23.0 +0200 Daniel> @@ -653,6 +653,9 @@ Dani

Re: removal of svenl from the project

> "Daniel" == Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Daniel> However I don't think you'd be right to hold a grudge Daniel> against anyone who refused to apply it. If Matthew raised Daniel> some issues with your patch, why did you not fix them? Daniel> Surely removing a debug

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 02:58:29PM +1100, Brian May wrote: > > "Eduard" == Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Eduard> Sven, you have a problem with not having the last word in > Eduard> a dispute. If someone hurts you (or even it may _look_ > Eduard> for you this way whi

Re: Re: removal of svenl from the project

Hi Pierre, just so that we are clear, I consider your first mail a personal insult already, especially given that your decision is based on irc logs. dilinger's proposition is certainly personal, as it targets only Sven and fortunately not the whole Project. It doesn't have to be an insult

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 12:39:42PM +0100, Julien BLACHE wrote: [...] > > In the meantime, we are wasting precious DD and DAM time to satisfy > Andres' need for a revenge on Sven. > *Sigh*. This has absolutely *nothing* to do w/ "revenge on Sven". Sven himself has stated that he doesn't underst

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On 16 Mar 2006, Alexis Sukrieh uttered the following: > I don't beleive feeding this thread more will fix anything regarding > the "Sven social issue". > > What about killing this thread now? > > Let's stop wasting our time and energy now, and go back to work, > shall we? The issue is wh

Re: Mediation not Politics (Re: removal of svenl from the project)

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 10:57:42PM -0500, C Shore wrote: > Abstract Thanks for your message, this indeed sums up my feeling very well. As for mediation, seeing the thing go into an impass, i asked Andreas Barth (on the technical comittee) to mediate on thursday/friday, and went into offline land,

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 08:18:09AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > When I tried to open a dialogue, I was told that kernel > package was crap, it was broken shit, and I was lucky that people > had not yanked it out of the dependencies of the official packaging. > Not a very conducive at

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On 16 Mar 2006, Sven Luther told this: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 06:33:00PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On 15 Mar 2006, Sven Luther told this: >>> You did never intent to do so, since you clearly said numerous >>> time that you where frustrated with the kernel team taking over >>> your work

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On 15-Mar-06, 18:07 (CST), An?bal Monsalve Salazar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It appears as if you're diagnosing svenl with the "same disease" > that you're suffering. > > Is the desease called obsessive-compulsive disorder? I was using "disease" in a humorous way, not intending to fall down t

Re: removal of svenl from the project

Hello, I don't beleive feeding this thread more will fix anything regarding the "Sven social issue". What about killing this thread now? Let's stop wasting our time and energy now, and go back to work, shall we? Best regards, Alexis. -- Alexis Sukrieh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 12:39:42PM +0100, Julien BLACHE wrote: > So, this expulsion process looks more like a good way to hurt Sven > than anything else. If it fails (hint: it will) Andres will be > kind of singled-out, > and this whole thing will turn into "I can't bear this > guy, please kick h

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 06:33:00PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On 15 Mar 2006, Sven Luther told this: > > You did never intent to do so, since you clearly said numerous time > > that you where frustrated with the kernel team taking over your work > > on kernel-package, and that you put self-co

Re: removal of svenl from the project

Filipus Klutiero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, > Seriously, it's strange that you state that without > explanation. dilinger started a process to expulse svenl. > If the expulsion "suceeds", hopefully we'll be coherent and recognize > dilinger for doing something good. > But if it fails, does th

Re: removal of svenl from the project

Hello Andres, On Tue, 14.03.2006 at 21:01:09 -0500, Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed > from the project. The process is outlined here: > , > and I

Re: removal of svenl from the project

Replying to this since it is addressed to me personally. On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 01:48:17AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > Do you understand that the fact that you *do* reply to every single message > in a thread is something that makes people not want to deal with you? > Nobody wants to try to ha

Re: removal of svenl from the project

Having been invoked twice now in this thread, I feel compelled to comment. I guess that seems to be a common enough weakness in this community, right? In this case, I feel it's justified to reply to you because you really don't seem to get why people have a problem with your behavior, and I think y

Re: Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 04:41:59PM +0800, Ozgur Karatas wrote: > irc.freenode.net > > join channel #debian Please try to stay on topic or at least explain your points. Anyway, we had enough of 'I don't know Sven really, but I dislike expulsions, so no' emails for this thread, your voices will al

Re: Re: removal of svenl from the project

I want to see you leave the Project if the expulsion process of both dilinger and svenl fails. Seriously, it's strange that you state that without explanation. dilinger started a process to expulse svenl. If the expulsion "suceeds", hopefully we'll be coherent and recognize dilinger for doing

Re: Re: removal of svenl from the project

irc.freenode.net join channel #debian > - Original Message - > From: "Filipus Klutiero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Re: removal of svenl from the project > Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:34:41 -0500 > > > &

Re: Re: removal of svenl from the project

He were slandering somebody and others were listening/reading without telling him that the behaviour is impolite? Well, then maybe it shows us all (or at least the readers) in a bad light. I'm pretty sure Sven recognized himself that he was impolite, but others certainly made him realize tha

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 10:48:11PM +0100, Samuel Mimram wrote: > Hi, > > Andres Salomon wrote: > >On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 10:59:46AM -0500, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > > >Thanks for yours and Ralf's responses. To be honest, I wasn't expecting > >anyone to actually say that they *enjoyed* workin

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On 16.03. 11:07, Aníbal Monsalve Salazar wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 05:48:38PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: > >I'm a little sympathetic, because I used to suffer from the same > >disease, and I still have the occasional outbreak, but I'm trying > >hard, and mostly getting better. I think. >

Mediation not Politics (Re: removal of svenl from the project)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Abstract "Please can't we all just get along?" Ok, I'm not quite that naive, but I would like to see (or proof of previous attempts at) conciliation before such a highly political approach as a formal expulsion request to a personnel issue. Further

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 00:59 +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 02:45:42PM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 07:20:20PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > > > also sprach Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.03.15.1512 +0100]: > > [...] > > > > > > > > I'm a

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, Marc Dequènes wrote: > This meaning 15 is a representative set of 972 persons (1.5%) not > randomly choosen, which is obvioulsy wrong, and ridiculously small. > > What is wrong here, is not even this demand for removal with such a lack > of clear evidence (you can wait for sup

Re: removal of svenl from the project

martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > also sprach Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.03.15.1512 +0100]: >> It seems that the project is splitting in two groups basically: >> The people that wants to work together and release Etch, and the >> people that with a reason or not wants to

Re: removal of svenl from the project

Hi, Andres Salomon wrote: On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 10:59:46AM -0500, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Thanks for yours and Ralf's responses. To be honest, I wasn't expecting anyone to actually say that they *enjoyed* working w/ Sven. This is making me seriously reconsider my request; obviously, I don

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On 15 Mar 2006, Sven Luther told this: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 11:53:04AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> I strongly agree that Sven Luther is a disruptive element, and his >> presence hurts the project more than it helps. I have found a >> pattern of behaviour from him, where any discussion f

Re: removal of svenl from the project

Coin, I don't know Sven enought for a comment, but this is the first time i hear about problems with him. Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Step #2 requires the support of some 15 developers. This meaning 15 is a representative set of 972 persons (1.5%) not randomly choosen, which i

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 11:07:02AM +1100, Aníbal Monsalve Salazar wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 05:48:38PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: > >I'm a little sympathetic, because I used to suffer from the same > >disease, and I still have the occasional outbreak, but I'm trying > >hard, and mostly ge

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 05:48:38PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: >I'm a little sympathetic, because I used to suffer from the same >disease, and I still have the occasional outbreak, but I'm trying >hard, and mostly getting better. I think. It appears as if you're diagnosing svenl with the "same d

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 05:48:38PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: > On 15-Mar-06, 15:40 (CST), Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But do you think that anything i said in those is insulting in some way, or > > a > > reason for me to be expelled from debian ? > > No, it's a demonstration

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 02:45:42PM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 07:20:20PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > > also sprach Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.03.15.1512 +0100]: > [...] > > > > > > I'm asking myself what's behind all that ? Ubuntu ? Probably no. > > >

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On 15-Mar-06, 15:40 (CST), Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But do you think that anything i said in those is insulting in some way, or a > reason for me to be expelled from debian ? No, it's a demonstration of your apparent need to reply to *every* *single* *message* in any thread that

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 11:36:50PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: > Dear Sven, > It seems to me that you don't actually enjoy kernel and d-i powerpc work, > but rather see it as an obligation because your business in part depends > on Debian supporting powerpc. This i cannot accept. My work obligati

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 07:20:20PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.03.15.1512 +0100]: [...] > > > > I'm asking myself what's behind all that ? Ubuntu ? Probably no. > > Subconcious fear to delivery in time ? Probably yes. Stop thinking > > about

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 08:23:53PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > #include > * Sven Luther [Wed, Mar 15 2006, 08:04:50PM]: > > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 11:53:04AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > > I strongly agree that Sven Luther is a disruptive element, and > > > his presence hurts the

Re: removal of svenl from the project

#include * Sven Luther [Wed, Mar 15 2006, 08:04:50PM]: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 11:53:04AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > I strongly agree that Sven Luther is a disruptive element, and > > his presence hurts the project more than it helps. I have found a > > pattern of behaviour fro

Re: removal of svenl from the project

Dear Sven, So, where do I stand in this expulsion thingy? So far I've resisted mailing on this thread. My general feelings were very well worded by Adeodato Simó. However, my name being brought up in your reply to Joey kind of forces me. I don't actually think that expulsion is the correct acti

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 10:59:46AM -0500, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > So far, I have never took the time to study the detail of the expulsion > process, so sorry if this mail is inappropriate. But be sure that I will > do everything I can as a DD to stop Sven's expulsion. Here another DD that

Re: removal of svenl from the project

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Friends, First of all i apologise for my poor english (portuguese :-)) I follow de dev lists of debian for several months now, my knowlege in linux whas not so good so i never applyed to be a developper and also my time isnt much :-(. (maybe

Re: removal of svenl from the project

Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I strongly oppose to such an expulsion. > > It amazes me that people oppose expulsion, but are perfectly happy to > allow the DAMs to decide whether or not a NM is to be let into the > project. Why do we trust the DAM's judgement in one scenario but n

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 08:48:48PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 07:21:09PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > I had decided to keep silent for the next few week to let matters settle, > > but > > as you ask directly and i was pointer to your question, i will break that > > reso

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 05:47:14PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: [...] > > > oh and btw, as you noted it, I attacked you personnaly, maybe you should > begin a procedure to expulse me. > > There's a vast amount of difference between (your) intentional trolling and unintentional, repeated abus

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 11:17:06PM +0200, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 08:08:27PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > I am still a bit disgusted of seeing a bug report i provided to ubuntu, with > > patch and all the proper research immediately after the breezy beta go > > unanswered and

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On 14/03/2006 Andres Salomon wrote: > Sven's behavior has always been combative (and some might argue > hostile), but this is beyond what is acceptable. He threatens bodily > harm upon another developer in a public forum, and then a week later > publically insults/taunts a developer (one of the Re

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 08:08:27PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > I am still a bit disgusted of seeing a bug report i provided to ubuntu, with > patch and all the proper research immediately after the breezy beta go > unanswered and uncared for though, so this may color my relationship with > ubuntu,

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 02:26:09PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > Adeodato Simó wrote: > > I've never worked closely with Sven Luther, but I've lurked in some > > teams he's member of, so if my capability as an observer is worth > > something to you, you may be interested in this if you're unfamil

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 07:21:09PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > I had decided to keep silent for the next few week to let matters settle, but > as you ask directly and i was pointer to your question, i will break that > resolution once, That resolution seems to have slipped by a mail or two now? Y

Re: removal of svenl from the project

Adeodato Simó wrote: > I've never worked closely with Sven Luther, but I've lurked in some > teams he's member of, so if my capability as an observer is worth > something to you, you may be interested in this if you're unfamiliar > with Svenl. I've led a team that Sven was involved in and

Re: removal of svenl from the project

also sprach Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.03.15.1512 +0100]: > It seems that the project is splitting in two groups basically: > The people that wants to work together and release Etch, and the > people that with a reason or not wants to see it delayed. The > minute after the release tea

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 10:54:58AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 07:26:07PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 05:56:10PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > > I hadn't replied to the bug report because I wasn't involved in the > > > Ubuntu kernel at the p

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 11:53:04AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > I strongly agree that Sven Luther is a disruptive element, and > his presence hurts the project more than it helps. I have found a > pattern of behaviour from him, where any discussion first focuses on > blame allocation

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 07:26:07PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 05:56:10PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > I hadn't replied to the bug report because I wasn't involved in the > > Ubuntu kernel at the point when it was filed, so I didn't reply there. > > When you brought m

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 03:47:05PM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote: > - I've seen him several times reject good or even optimum solutions > to problems, upon which a fair number of other people agreed, just > for them going against his own personal agenda; which is, oook, > somethi

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 09:40:15AM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: > The DAM has accepted the request; please send seconds directly to > [EMAIL PROTECTED], cc'ing me as well. > > For the people who seem to think that there are more constructive ways > of dealing w/ this issue rather than the expulsio

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 05:56:10PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 05:56:05PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > I was a bit short on you, because you started to make noise about the reason > > for the refusal being a #include being wrongly placed in the patch, and a > > print

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 03:56:48PM +0100, Jorgen Schaefer wrote: > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 09:01:09PM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed > >> from the project. The proc

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On 15 Mar 2006, Adeodato Simó verbalised: > - I've seem him repeteadly exhaust people's patience, both over > important discussion, and over trivialities; which is, ok, > something not so uncommon in this project, albeit undesirable. > > - I've seen him hijack technical discussions, making the pos

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 05:56:05PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > I was a bit short on you, because you started to make noise about the reason > for the refusal being a #include being wrongly placed in the patch, and a > printk that was not strictly necessary, which i think for someone like you or >

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 01:00:19PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I know Sven may sometimes be a bit overpresent in some trolls, he also=20 > > may answer too quick, without having read the mail he answers to=20 > > correctly enough. But AFAICT, I'

Re: removal of svenl from the project

Le Mer 15 Mars 2006 15:05, Andres Salomon a écrit : > On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 11:25 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > Le Mer 15 Mars 2006 03:01, Andres Salomon a écrit : > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther > > > removed from the project. The process is

Re: removal of svenl from the project

Pierre Habouzit writes: > I strongly oppose to such an expulsion. So do I. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 09:01:09PM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: > Some might argue that we should just kick him from the channel and > remove his commit access to the debian-kernel project, but that does not > solve the problem of him abusing other teams, as well as his abusive > mailing list posts

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 12:29:49PM +0100, Julien BLACHE wrote: > Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed > > from the project. > > I want to see you leave the Project if this expulsion process fails. There's a defined proc

Re: removal of svenl from the project

Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 09:01:09PM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed >> from the project. The process is outlined here: >>

Re: removal of svenl from the project

* Andres Salomon [Tue, 14 Mar 2006 21:01:09 -0500]: > Hi, Hi. FWIW: > I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed > from the project. I've never worked closely with Sven Luther, but I've lurked in some teams he's member of, so if my capability as an observer is wo

Re: removal of svenl from the project

The DAM has accepted the request; please send seconds directly to [EMAIL PROTECTED], cc'ing me as well. For the people who seem to think that there are more constructive ways of dealing w/ this issue rather than the expulsion process: http://squishy.cc/svenl.txt This is a lot from two weeks ago,

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Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, > I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed > from the project. I want to see you leave the Project if this expulsion process fails. JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian & GNU/Linux Developer - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Public k

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#include * Andres Salomon [Tue, Mar 14 2006, 09:01:09PM]: > harm upon another developer in a public forum, and then a week later > publically insults/taunts a developer (one of the Release Managers, > even), behind his back. This is incredibly childish, aggressive > behavior, and should not be t

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On 3/14/06, Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed > from the project. The process is outlined here: > , > and I have already completed step 1. >

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On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 11:25 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > Le Mer 15 Mars 2006 03:01, Andres Salomon a écrit : > > Hi, > > > > I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed > > from the project. The process is outlined here: > >

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Mike Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your accusation fails to allege sufficient facts to constitute > an allegation of defamation. The facts have previously been discussed elsewhere. I replied merely to point out that Sven does not always apologise for his behaviour. > Rather than wasting lis

Re: removal of svenl from the project

On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 09:01:09PM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: > I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed > from the project. The process is outlined here: > , > and I have already completed step 1.

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On Tue, Mar 14, 2006, Andres Salomon wrote: > Hi, Hi! > I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed > from the project. Hahaha oh wow. You got it the wrong way, you should only do that _after_ someone posts http://zoy.org/~sam/ftwcal.jpeg to d-d-a. Now I have no ot

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On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 05:00, Matthew Garrett wrote: > Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I know Sven may sometimes be a bit overpresent in some trolls, he also=20 > > may answer too quick, without having read the mail he answers to=20 > > correctly enough. But AFAICT, I've always seen h

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Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know Sven may sometimes be a bit overpresent in some trolls, he also=20 > may answer too quick, without having read the mail he answers to=20 > correctly enough. But AFAICT, I've always seen him apologies when he=20 > did so (I can provide links if yo

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Le mardi 14 mars 2006 à 21:01 -0500, Andres Salomon a écrit : > Hi, > > I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed > from the project. If this is a joke, it's not funny. I happen to prefer Andrew Suffield's humour. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette/\./\ : :'

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On 3/15/06, Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le Mer 15 Mars 2006 03:01, Andres Salomon a écrit : > > Hi, > > > > I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed > > from the project. The process is outlined here: > >

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Le Mer 15 Mars 2006 03:01, Andres Salomon a écrit : > Hi, > > I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed > from the project. The process is outlined here: > >, and I have already completed step 1. I st

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On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 09:48:11AM +0100, Frank Küster wrote: > Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2) Yes, I have tried talking to him. After a number of blowups on the > > debian-kernel list, myself and a number of kernel team members have > > talked to him to calm him down (and in som

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Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2) Yes, I have tried talking to him. After a number of blowups on the > debian-kernel list, myself and a number of kernel team members have > talked to him to calm him down (and in some cases getting him to > apologize). The behavior he displays happen

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