Re: Explicitly depending on Essential packages (was: Dropping awk?)

2025-04-21 Thread Marc Haber
k, grep, sed and sort - that's >dependencies on four essential packages". I'd rather do that than having to spend hours updating year numbers in machine readable debian/copyright. Greetings Marc -- Marc Habe

Re: Documentation for Package Maintainers regarding Translations (was: General Questions about Translations and what a package maintainer has to do)

2025-04-05 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, Mar 22, 2025 at 06:32:54PM +, Helge Kreutzmann wrote: Am Wed, Mar 19, 2025 at 09:44:47AM +0100 schrieb Marc Haber: tl;dr: New Wiki Page https://wiki.debian.org/I18n/ForPackageMaintainers, please review I just did it. I usually updated it right away, but at one or two points it is

Re: Help with Dillo package (attempt 2)

2025-04-05 Thread Marc Haber
nities to stop it by committing to >actively maintain it themselves. Also, please note that Debian is going to freeze for the next stable release in ten days. It is unlikely that the new Dillo package will be in that release. Greetings Marc -- ---

Re: utmp in trixie

2025-04-04 Thread Marc Haber
le flat since there seems to be no actual reason to not just support >both mechanisms. Can your package handle the classic on-disk format when it is compiled with 64 bit time_t? I remember there was some discussion about that back then. Greetings Marc -- ---

Re: General Questions about Translations and what a package maintainer has to do

2025-03-26 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 21:26:05 +, Bill Allombert wrote: >Le Tue, Mar 11, 2025 at 12:03:51PM +0100, Marc Haber a écrit : >> tl;dr: We need more docs about best practices to handle translations as >> a package maintainer > >I would suggest you find someone on debian-i

Re: Documentation for Package Maintainers regarding Translations (was: General Questions about Translations and what a package maintainer has to do)

2025-03-25 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, Mar 24, 2025 at 06:33:19PM +, Helge Kreutzmann wrote: Am Mon, Mar 24, 2025 at 05:49:40PM +0100 schrieb Marc Haber: "Using no line numbers" => invoke msgmerge with --no-location? Yes. "Web pages mentioned above" => I don't see web pages being me

Re: General Questions about Translations and what a package maintainer has to do

2025-03-25 Thread Marc Haber
age Maintainer, unless it is fully automated and can be documented and packaged. Greetings Marc -- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402

Re: The apt tool chain doesn't seem to sanitize it's environment

2025-03-25 Thread Marc Haber
y when invoked? In the mean time, I have added code to adduser to unset $ENV{CDPATH}. Greetings Marc -- ---- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginnin

Re: Should uncoordinated NMUs unilaterally choose Salsa as the VCS for a package?

2025-03-21 Thread Marc Haber
ically want the >collaboration to be done without using version control? A NMU is something else than co-maintenance. A NMU is by defintition minimal invasive. I think that is documented somewhere. Greetings Marc -- ---- Ma

Re: General Questions about Translations and what a package maintainer has to do

2025-03-20 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, Mar 18, 2025 at 09:06:35PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: xgettext comes with a ton of options to help you. Have a look at the diff I've attached for what I've been able to do. Will do and take your suggestions. But it is still a wrapper needed. I have put this into the adduser w

Re: General Questions about Translations and what a package maintainer has to do

2025-03-19 Thread Marc Haber
Greetings Marc -- ---- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402

Documentation for Package Maintainers regarding Translations (was: General Questions about Translations and what a package maintainer has to do)

2025-03-19 Thread Marc Haber
tl;dr: New Wiki Page https://wiki.debian.org/I18n/ForPackageMaintainers, please review Hi, On Tue, Mar 11, 2025 at 12:03:51PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: Whenever I am angry about something in Debian, I start writing docs. So I try this here, but here I don't know enough to be really helpf

Re: General Questions about Translations and what a package maintainer has to do

2025-03-18 Thread Marc Haber
is a page that I can change. If you don't want to deal with translation stuff, I'm happy to help with that aspect, and if you'd like you can offload that on me. Thank you for that offer. I need to understand things to be comfortable with tem. I think I am on a good way. Greetings Marc -- - Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things."Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 6224 1600402 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 6224 1600421

Re: General Questions about Translations and what a package maintainer has to do

2025-03-18 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 11:36:27AM +0100, Julien Plissonneau Duquène wrote: Le 2025-03-11 12:03, Marc Haber a écrit : (2) There is some point in the development process when it is time to ask for translations. Translators need a POT file which contains all the translatable strings, and they

Re: General Questions about Translations and what a package maintainer has to do

2025-03-18 Thread Marc Haber
to remove(!) locations on checkout and restore them from the pot file on commit, that solves the majority of conflicts. How would that look like? git filters are a mystery for those wizards. Greetings Marc -- -

Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades

2025-03-15 Thread Marc Haber
reetings Marc -- ---- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402

Re: General Questions about Translations and what a package maintainer has to do

2025-03-12 Thread Marc Haber
ian source. Greetings Marc -- - Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things."Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 6224 1600402 Nordisch by Nature |

Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades

2025-03-11 Thread Marc Haber
at might happen. Rest assured that package maintainers already try to avoid situations like that to the best of their knowledge. Greetings Marc -- ---- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse

Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters

2025-03-11 Thread Marc Haber
ed. Greetings Marc -- ----- Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things."Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 6224 1600402 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 6224 1600421

General Questions about Translations and what a package maintainer has to do

2025-03-11 Thread Marc Haber
m inclined to put on https://wiki.debian.org/I18n a dedicated chapter titled "for package maintainers", probably between "Keyboard input infrastructure support" and "Meetings" as this is a matter beyond interna of the translation teams and the i18n effort. Am I

Re: Reconsidering Debian’s Inclusion of Non-Free Firmware - A Call for Discussion

2025-03-10 Thread Marc Haber
tl;dr: The situation is totally different, we should not compare apples and peaches here. Greetings Marc -- ----- Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose

Re: Reconsidering Debian’s Inclusion of Non-Free Firmware - A Call for Discussion

2025-03-10 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 11:56:28 +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote: >Marc Haber writes: >> I still haven't heard arguments why people refuse to use an installer >> that comes with non-free firmware, asks whether this firmware should >> be used, and if answered "no", no

Re: Reconsidering Debian’s Inclusion of Non-Free Firmware - A Call for Discussion

2025-03-10 Thread Marc Haber
n >within the Debian project, which is my perception of the vote outcome. There are not concerns about spending time. There are no people willing to do so. Greetings Marc -- ---- Marc Haber | " Questions

Re: Reconsidering Debian’s Inclusion of Non-Free Firmware - A Call for Discussion

2025-03-10 Thread Marc Haber
ware ends up in the installed system. The resulting system is free regardless whether there was non-free firmware on the installation images. Greetings Marc -- ----- Marc Haber | "I don't trust Comput

Re: Reconsidering Debian’s Inclusion of Non-Free Firmware - A Call for Discussion

2025-03-09 Thread Marc Haber
s Debian to run on the hardware people have - it saves me time to explain why Debian doesn't run. -- ----- Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose

Re: STFU please (Re: Bits from DPL)

2025-03-06 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, Mar 06, 2025 at 08:39:13AM +, Holger Levsen wrote: On Thu, Mar 06, 2025 at 08:58:48AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: Marc. I'll take my Popcorn with salt please. yeah, it's pretty funny to see a team burn out and have the same silly & salty discussion about this again

Re: Bits from DPL

2025-03-06 Thread Marc Haber
ublic attention. Greetings Marc. I'll take my Popcorn with salt please. -- ----- Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things."Winona Ryd

Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades

2025-03-05 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, Mar 05, 2025 at 10:12:05PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: On 05.03.25 21:35, Marc Haber wrote: And which of the millions of changes would that be that would break YOUR system? The number of changes that can adversely impact your ability to boot *or* your network connectivity (but

Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades

2025-03-05 Thread Marc Haber
? -- - Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things."Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 6224 1600402 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 6224 1600421

Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades

2025-03-05 Thread Marc Haber
-- - Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things."Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 6224 1600402 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 6224 1600421

Re: Improvement of headless server upgrades

2025-03-05 Thread Marc Haber
|_| \_| > >Network interface name changed: please update config files before reboot. Why would people who do not read the NEWS.Debian or the Release Notes read that? And how would you solve the issue of people wanting more and more of those attention banners? Greetings Marc --

Re: Bug reports for Uploaders

2025-03-04 Thread Marc Haber
loads. I think that most teams would be eager to help to remove you from "Uploaders" in git, getting active with the next upload. Greetings Marc -- ----- Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers

Re: Bug reports for Uploaders

2025-03-04 Thread Marc Haber
t might change if they get mail. Greetings Marc -- ---- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402

Re: Bug reports for Uploaders

2025-03-04 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 19:15:16 +0800, Blair Noctis wrote: >On 03/03/2025 01:40, Marc Haber wrote: >> Maintainer: Debian Adduser Developers >> Maintainer: Debian Sudo Maintainers > >Honestly I never understood how exactly @p.d.o addresses work. >Devref says it'

Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters

2025-03-02 Thread Marc Haber
sions harder. Greetings Marc -- ----- Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things."Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 6224 1600402 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 6224 1600421

Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters

2025-03-02 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 21:14:54 +0800, Blair Noctis wrote: >Open source webmails also exist. "When you're 10 out of 10 but it's your CVSS score". Greetings Marc -- ---- Marc Haber

Re: Bug reports for Uploaders

2025-03-02 Thread Marc Haber
#x27;s guide. Greetings Marc -- ----- Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things."Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 6224 1600402 Nordisch by Nature |

Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters

2025-03-02 Thread Marc Haber
n mutt/vim. Greetings Marc -- - Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things."Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 6224 1600402 Nordisch by Nature |

Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters

2025-03-02 Thread Marc Haber
rse back when we had more than one console-based mail reader. -- ---- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402

Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters

2025-02-28 Thread Marc Haber
going to to do anyway. It's a pity that it is needed (and expected, nowadays) to put such things in writing. So, please, let's do something like "Debian mailing list etiquette" instead. Greetings Marc -- ----

Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters

2025-02-27 Thread Marc Haber
, impossible to reply to. Greetings Marc -- ----- Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things."Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 6224 1600402 Nordisch by

Re: Packages with a history of security issues and whose packaged version is not up to date

2025-02-14 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 17:12:48 +, Colin Watson wrote: >On Fri, Feb 14, 2025 at 03:28:35PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: >> Especially if the list just goes the (wrong) way of so many commercial >> security tools and/or consultants who just compare version numbers and >> flag o

Re: Packages with a history of security issues and whose packaged version is not up to date

2025-02-14 Thread Marc Haber
the instance who compiles and compares, and on our side to verify the suggestion. Greetings Marc -- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402

Re: Do we need a conflict of interest policy?

2025-02-07 Thread Marc Haber
Greetings Marc -- ---- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402

Re: A 2025 NewYear present: make dpkg --force-unsafe-io the default?

2024-12-31 Thread Marc Haber
ften. Greetings Marc -- ----- Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things."Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 6224 1600402 Nordisch by Nature | How to ma

Re: A 2025 NewYear present: make dpkg --force-unsafe-io the default?

2024-12-28 Thread Marc Haber
deliberately chose to have not. Greetings Marc -- -------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG

Re: Directory structure suggestion for configuration in /etc

2024-12-21 Thread Marc Haber
file and triggerring unnecessary conffile >prompts. Maybe our conffile handling should be modified to automatically accept comment-only changes to dpkg-conffiles. Greetings Marc -- Marc Haber | " Questio

Re: Barriers between packages and other people

2024-12-21 Thread Marc Haber
ts a way to visibly say "I'll do the job until the second someone else shows up". Greetings Marc -- -------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | B

Re: Barriers between packages and other people

2024-12-21 Thread Marc Haber
y people are okay with allowing random git commits > to Debian group but are not okay with uncoordinated uploads. Yes, I fully agree with that. Greetings Marc -- ----- Marc Haber | "I don't trust Compute

Re: Barriers between packages and other people

2024-12-21 Thread Marc Haber
eady declares that. I surely hope that is not true. I'd have to move my packages so a different place then. Greetings Marc -- ---- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header

Re: Directory structure suggestion for configuration in /etc

2024-12-20 Thread Marc Haber
as config file handling that is WAY inferior to what we have since 20 years. And ours is bad in some regards already. Please don't adopt everything that Red Hat has come up with when we have been better than that for ages. Greetings Marc -- ---

Re: Directory structure suggestion for configuration in /etc

2024-12-19 Thread Marc Haber
ment, which is the bin. -- -------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402

Re: Directory structure suggestion for configuration in /etc

2024-12-19 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 10:09:41 +0100, Frank Guthausen wrote: >Debian GNU/Systemd is only an unofficial >subdistribution of Debian GNU/Linux. Bullshit. -- ---- Marc Haber | " Questions are the |

Re: criteria for acceptable languages for central QA tools in Debian

2024-12-15 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, 14 Dec 2024 22:38:49 +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: >Marc Haber: > >> I disagree violently with all efforts that would waste Debian people's >> time to rewrite existing and well-working times just for the sake of >> having them in a more "modern" pr

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-12-13 Thread Marc Haber
s Marc -- - Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things."Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 6224 1600402 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 6224 1600421

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-12-13 Thread Marc Haber
lve. I's nothing that we as a distribution should solve. Greetings Marc -- ----- Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things."Winona Ryder

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-12-13 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 11:02:21 -0500, "Theodore Ts'o" wrote: >On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 09:24:15PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: >> But things are moving by shadow upstream taking a user-hostile stance, >> willing to take away freedom. I must be fine with that because I &g

Re: criteria for acceptable languages for central QA tools in Debian

2024-12-13 Thread Marc Haber
uage. That time is much better spent with improving existing tools. Greetings Marc -- ---- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402

Re: criteria for acceptable languages for central QA tools in Debian (was: Re: coordination between lintian/piuparts/adequate)

2024-12-12 Thread Marc Haber
t pay, it needs to have comfortable or cool tools. That being said, I frequently consider other tools comfortable than young people do. Greetings Marc -- ---- Marc Haber | " Questions are the

Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers

2024-12-11 Thread Marc Haber
the world to adapt to them (see also their "spam" filters). Greetings Marc -- ---- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402

Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers

2024-12-11 Thread Marc Haber
s" includes basically all home users, at least in >Sweden where I live. This is not about ISPs blocking "some traffic", >they only block outgoing smtp traffic on default ports. The reasons are >obvious. An ISP should NEVER block traffic to the SMTP submission port 587, fo

Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers

2024-12-11 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 17:50:55 +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote: >On 12/11/24 5:20 PM, Marc Haber wrote: >> On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 17:04:52 +0530, Pirate Praveen >> wrote: >>> I think a reportbug web based front end that authenticates with salsa >>> via oauth and send

Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers

2024-12-11 Thread Marc Haber
use reportbug. Greetings Marc -- -------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-12-11 Thread Marc Haber
email and su will want to be able to input it. That's easy, just choose a user name for YOU that YOU can type on YOUR keyboard. Why would anybody chose a username that is impossible to use in their own locale? Greetings Marc --

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-12-10 Thread Marc Haber
st be fine with that because I cannot change it. But I don't need to like it. Greetings Marc -- ---- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdo

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-12-10 Thread Marc Haber
forbid these. Just forbidding everything is heading the wrong direction. Greetings Marc -- ---- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom "

Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers

2024-12-10 Thread Marc Haber
arc -- ---- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-12-09 Thread Marc Haber
gt;by allowing it always. Same for longer names. I think that our distinction between system users and "normal" users is fine. Noone needs a package generating "weird" user names. Greetings Marc -- ---- M

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-12-09 Thread Marc Haber
kwards. It's sad. -- ---- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402

Re: Should l10n packages be Recommends or Suggests?

2024-12-05 Thread Marc Haber
a clear usability issue. Greetings Marc -- ---- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-12-05 Thread Marc Haber
on LWN. I apologize for the harm this discussion has done. -- ----- Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things."Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 62

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-12-05 Thread Marc Haber
er nor useradd are setuid. -- ---- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-12-03 Thread Marc Haber
ing, sorting, comparing. If we'd normalize things away in storage, why do we have homographs in the first place? Why would I replace a kyrillic a with a latin a, destroying the idea of a "script"? Greetings Marc -- --------

Re: [Pkg-shadow-devel] Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-12-03 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, Dec 03, 2024 at 11:29:16AM -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote: > On Tue, Dec 03, 2024 at 05:20:53PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > > I'll probably deprecate --allow-bad-names in favor of something that > > doesn't use the word "bad" (suggestions appreciated). Oto

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-12-03 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, Dec 03, 2024 at 08:41:06PM +0100, Étienne Mollier wrote: > Marc Haber, on 2024-12-03: > > I'll probably deprecate --allow-bad-names in favor of something that > > doesn't use the word "bad" (suggestions appreciated). Otoh, adduser in > > the Red Hat

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-12-03 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, Dec 03, 2024 at 09:39:03PM +0100, Gioele Barabucci wrote: > On 03/12/24 17:59, Marc Haber wrote: > > > in preparation for a PRECIS future, couldn't adduser pass the usernames > > > through NFC instead of doing no normalization? > > > > > &

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-12-03 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, Dec 03, 2024 at 05:46:00PM +0100, Gioele Barabucci wrote: > On 03/12/24 17:20, Marc Haber wrote: > > What I intend to do in adduser for the next unstable upload is: > > > > - adduser --system's user name validation will not change > > - I'll m

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-12-03 Thread Marc Haber
stions appreciated). Otoh, adduser in the Red Hat World uses --badname to allow such names as well. I would love to hear your opinion. Silence is agreement ;-) Greetings Marc ¹ RFC 8264, RFC 8265, and Unicode TR 15 linked in this thread were educating for me -- -

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-12-02 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, Dec 01, 2024 at 06:55:09PM -0500, nick black wrote: > Marc Haber left as an exercise for the reader: > > > * any upstream tool could say "bad idea" and refuse patches, > > >requiring their long term management, > > > > Depending of ho

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-12-02 Thread Marc Haber
le-UTF-8). Greetings Marc -- - Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things."Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 6224 1600402 Nordisch by Nature | Ho

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-12-01 Thread Marc Haber
nd consider breakage a bug (3) Forbid UTF-8 Greetings Marc -- ----- Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things."Winona Ryder | Fon: *49

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-11-27 Thread Marc Haber
e, /etc/passwd or an LDAP diretory) to work with non-Debian OSses, they need to take care about which accounts they create. I don't think that we should restrict local admins who don't need that kind of portability. Greetings Marc -- -----

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-11-27 Thread Marc Haber
encodes it into the byte stream that goes to useradd and library calls. Greetings Marc -- - Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things."Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 6224 1600402 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 6224 1600421

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-11-27 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 08:42:10PM +0100, Étienne Mollier wrote: > Marc Haber, on 2024-11-22: > > I might be naive here , but I don't have much experience with non-ascii > > names since I have the privilege of being fluent in two languages that > > use the latin al

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-11-27 Thread Marc Haber
e currently allow for system accounts. I also don't like that this is not configurable, especially regarding systemd-homed which affects the account names of regular users. Greetings Marc -- ----- Marc Haber |

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-11-27 Thread Marc Haber
Debian, we have a rather tightly controlled ecosystem and can take care that things don't break too badly. > I checked what other systems do: Thank you for this tedious work. I have incorporated that into https://wiki.debian.org/UserAccountsPhilosophy to preserve the information. Greetin

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-11-27 Thread Marc Haber
potentially insecure (homographs) and at > high-risk of breaking existing applications (lack of standardized > normalization form). Can you outline an attack/failure scenario? Greetings Marc -- ----- Marc Haber

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-11-27 Thread Marc Haber
name despite in "su"? I see it as the exception that local parts of mail addresses do 1:1 map to a UNIX user name. Greetings Marc -- ----- Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadres

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-11-27 Thread Marc Haber
your name using American > letters > because that's all we have after half a century of Computers being a thing... In Debian stable, they can already try. Greetings Marc -- ----- Marc Haber | "I do

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-11-27 Thread Marc Haber
Hi nick, On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 02:48:10AM -0500, nick black wrote: > Marc Haber left as an exercise for the reader: > > (1) > > Should Debian allow UTF-8 user names in the first place or should we > > restrict names for regular users to some us-ascii near set as well?

Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories

2024-11-27 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 01:48:33PM +0100, Chris Hofstaedtler wrote: > * Marc Haber [241127 13:28]: > > On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 04:58:00PM +0500, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote: > > > Yup, as I said it makes sense. It just feels fragile to me when the > > > "pristine&q

Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories

2024-11-27 Thread Marc Haber
gz. Greetings Marc -- ----- Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things."Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 6224 1600402 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 6224 1600421

Re: Simpler git workflow for packaging with upstreamless repositories

2024-11-27 Thread Marc Haber
. It's only a major nuisance compared to others that we have in the project, but if I had an Euro for every time I have sighed and mv'ed a tarball, I'd be rich and be able to work almost full time on Debian. Greetings Marc -- ---

Re: Strategy advice

2024-11-25 Thread Marc Haber
ote and push to there? Greetings Marc -- -------- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-11-24 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, Nov 24, 2024 at 11:58:44AM +0100, Bjørn Mork wrote: > Marc Haber writes: > >> On the other hand, as long as this is admin-controlled, it doesn't > >> matter much. I could see that viewpoint, but I wonder how much latent > >> breakage would be introduced

Re: Kernel 6.13 & choice Init or SystemD for the user on Debian 13

2024-11-24 Thread Marc Haber
ges of Debian's decisions and would rather not revisit those. -- ---- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Rhein-Neckar, DE | Beginning of Wisdom " | Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 6224 1600402

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-11-22 Thread Marc Haber
cks would be best mitigated in software reading /etc/passwd, alerting in their output or logs that the user name they just printed was composed of strange alphabets. Greetings Marc -- ----- Marc Haber | "I don&#

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-11-22 Thread Marc Haber
[Reducing the list to debian-devel. I have omitted to set Reply-To and apologize for that] On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 11:26:48PM +0100, Iustin Pop wrote: > On 2024-11-21 18:45:06, Marc Haber wrote: > > Should Debian allow UTF-8 user names in the first place or should we > > res

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-11-22 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 10:05:49PM +, Richard Lewis wrote: > Marc Haber writes: > > > > For adduser's next release, I would like to discuss the following > > things: > > > > (1) > > Should Debian allow UTF-8 user names in the first place or shoul

Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-11-21 Thread Marc Haber
g and packaging. You can gt in touch with all involved parties via pkg-shadow-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org -- ----- Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things.&qu

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