Re: [arch-general] Think twice before moving to systemd

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote:> > Yes they can. Code is code, language doesn't make a piece of code more > share-able between distros than others. > > Cheers. > > -- > Felipe Contreras Do you even know what .service files look like and how they work? Your statement would

Re: [arch-general] Think twice before moving to systemd

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > Felipe, > > On Aug 15, 2012 3:35 AM, "Felipe Contreras" > wrote: >> I tried systemd a while ago in a brand new machine with Arch Linux and >> the boot was *much slower*. After some exchanges with Lennart >> Poettering and other people in Goo

Re: [arch-general] Partition mounting in systemd [WAS: Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd]

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Shridhar Daithankar wrote: > tell systemd not to use fsck on btrfs partition? Something like this?(pasted > from my fstab) > > /dev/sda1 /data btrfs noatime,flushoncommit,defaults 0 0 > > > Does that help? Thanks for this, will try it out with systemd (not right n

Re: [arch-general] Think twice before moving to systemd

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:33 AM, Leon Feng wrote: > 2012/8/15 Felipe Contreras : >> Hi, >> >> Finally, it's much harder to debug. If you have a problem you will not >> be able to open a script and figure out what is happening, and perhaps >> modify it, and debug it. You would be greeted with an un

Re: [arch-general] Think twice before moving to systemd

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote: > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Felipe Contreras > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm sure in due time systemd will be ready, and will have nice >> advantages, but I doubt that's the case right now. Has anybody looked >> into the CONFIG_HZ

Re: [arch-general] Think twice before moving to systemd

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:40 AM, Jason Ryan wrote: > On 15/08/12 at 04:01am, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:51 AM, Jason Ryan wrote: >> > On 15/08/12 at 03:35am, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> >> >> I just became aware that Arch Linux plans to switch to systemd, and >> >> this w

Re: [arch-general] Systemd screen brightness

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Michael Nawrocki wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I'm trying to get my laptop backlight keys (fn+f6/f7) to adjust the > brightness of my toshiba laptop backlight. Previously, I had entered the > following in my /etc/acpi/handler.sh to handle the acpi events generated > w

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Or much better "self responsibility", sorry, I couldn't > resist. Use jackd, read the ff manual and control audio streams > yourself. Automation always tends to fail. > How I agree that manual control will give better results assuming one knows what he is doin

Re: [arch-general] Partition mounting in systemd [WAS: Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd]

On Aug 15, 2012 2:53 AM, "Oon-Ee Ng" wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:55 AM, David Benfell > > wrote: > >> Does systemd not use the standard > >> mount program and follow /etc/fstab? > > > > It does. Though it does not use "mount -a",

Re: [arch-general] Think twice before moving to systemd

On Aug 15, 2012 7:35 AM, "Tom Gundersen" wrote: > On Aug 15, 2012 3:35 AM, "Felipe Contreras" wrote: > > I tried systemd a while ago in a brand new machine with Arch Linux and > > the boot was *much slower*. After some exchanges with Lennart > > Poettering and other people in Google+[1], it becam

Re: [arch-general] Think twice before moving to systemd

Felipe, On Aug 15, 2012 3:35 AM, "Felipe Contreras" wrote: > I tried systemd a while ago in a brand new machine with Arch Linux and > the boot was *much slower*. After some exchanges with Lennart > Poettering and other people in Google+[1], it became clear I was on my > own. Eventually I found th

Re: [arch-general] Partition mounting in systemd [WAS: Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd]

On Wednesday 15 Aug 2012 8:53:37 AM Oon-Ee Ng wrote: > Do I need to do something additional to get systemd to 'give up' > partitions totally? tell systemd not to use fsck on btrfs partition? Something like this?(pasted from my fstab) /dev/sda1 /data btrfs noatime,flushoncommit,defaults 0 0 Do

Re: [arch-general] Think twice before moving to systemd

2012/8/15 Felipe Contreras : > Hi, > > Finally, it's much harder to debug. If you have a problem you will not > be able to open a script and figure out what is happening, and perhaps > modify it, and debug it. You would be greeted with an unmodified > binary, and the source code would be along thes

Re: [arch-general] Think twice before moving to systemd

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote: > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Felipe Contreras > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm sure in due time systemd will be ready, and will have nice >> advantages, but I doubt that's the case right now. Has anybody looked >> into the CONFIG_HZ

Re: [arch-general] OT: "Major distributions"

2012/8/15 Timothy Rice : >> As a rolling release, Arch is usually the leader of adopt new technology. >> But now, Arch is falling behind Debian now. So sad. > > Arch Linux is also about simplicity. For me, this is more important > than the rolling-releaseness and bleeding-edgeness. If Arch lags beh

Re: [arch-general] Think twice before moving to systemd

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote: > Hi, > > I'm sure in due time systemd will be ready, and will have nice > advantages, but I doubt that's the case right now. Has anybody looked > into the CONFIG_HZ issue? I doubt that. Arch's stock kernel: $ zgrep CONFIG_HZ /proc/confi

Re: [arch-general] Think twice before moving to systemd

On 15/08/12 at 04:01am, Felipe Contreras wrote: > On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:51 AM, Jason Ryan wrote: > > On 15/08/12 at 03:35am, Felipe Contreras wrote: > > >> I just became aware that Arch Linux plans to switch to systemd, and > >> this worries me for several reasons. > >> > >> snip > > > > I am

Re: [arch-general] DJB vs LP, was Re: Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/14/2012 06:44 PM, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote: > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 03:53:10PM -0700, David Benfell wrote: >> I'd add that djb has started several projects that have been, I >> think, very, very good, but then dropped them. It is ha

Re: [arch-general] Think twice before moving to systemd

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:51 AM, Jason Ryan wrote: > On 15/08/12 at 03:35am, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> I just became aware that Arch Linux plans to switch to systemd, and >> this worries me for several reasons. >> >> snip > > I am running it on both my home machines and my work laptop. I have fu

Re: [arch-general] Think twice before moving to systemd

On 15/08/12 at 03:35am, Felipe Contreras wrote: > Hi, > > I just became aware that Arch Linux plans to switch to systemd, and > this worries me for several reasons. > > snip I am running it on both my home machines and my work laptop. I have full encryption on all three devices and LVM and Raid1

Re: [arch-general] OT: "Major distributions" (WAS: Re: [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd)

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 07:51:25AM +0800, Leon Feng wrote: > As a rolling release, Arch is usually the leader of adopt new technology. > But now, Arch is falling behind Debian now. So sad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_novelty

Re: [arch-general] DJB vs LP, was Re: Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 03:53:10PM -0700, David Benfell wrote: > I'd add that djb has started several projects that have been, I think, > very, very good, but then dropped them. It is harder to justify using > his stuff when development is largely limited to one man's attention span. I really don'

Re: [arch-general] Think twice before moving to systemd

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Felipe Contreras < felipe.contre...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I just became aware that Arch Linux plans to switch to systemd, and > this worries me for several reasons. > > I tried systemd a while ago in a brand new machine with Arch Linux and > the boot was *muc

[arch-general] Think twice before moving to systemd

Hi, I just became aware that Arch Linux plans to switch to systemd, and this worries me for several reasons. I tried systemd a while ago in a brand new machine with Arch Linux and the boot was *much slower*. After some exchanges with Lennart Poettering and other people in Google+[1], it became cl

Re: [arch-general] Systemd screen brightness

You can run systemctl start acpid.service. Change start to enable if you want to run it on boot. Regards, Z On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 21:30 -0400, Michael Nawrocki wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I'm trying to get my laptop backlight keys (fn+f6/f7) to adjust the > brightness of my toshiba laptop backlig

[arch-general] Systemd screen brightness

Hey everyone, I'm trying to get my laptop backlight keys (fn+f6/f7) to adjust the brightness of my toshiba laptop backlight. Previously, I had entered the following in my /etc/acpi/handler.sh to handle the acpi events generated when those keys were pressed: video/brightnessdown) echo $(

Re: [arch-general] old rc.sysinit?

On 14 August 2012 18:04, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Jorge Almeida wrote: >> Thank you. I'm trying to understand which one-time tasks must be performed on >> initialization, and how. I have no problem with current defaults, but >> understanding /etc/rc.sysinit require

[arch-general] Partition mounting in systemd [WAS: Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd]

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:55 AM, David Benfell > wrote: >> Does systemd not use the standard >> mount program and follow /etc/fstab? > > It does. Though it does not use "mount -a", but rather mounts each fs > separately. Ah, that ties in ni

Re: [arch-general] Polkit and systemd

On 08/15/12 at 12:25am, John K Pate wrote: > On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 19:13:33 -0400 > Manolo Martínez wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > If I'm not wrong, systemd makes consolekit superfluous. This is what I > > thought it took for polkit to work with systemd: > > > > * compile polkit with --enable-system

Re: [arch-general] OT: "Major distributions" (WAS: Re: [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd)

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:39 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote: > That's about it. As you see, I included Arch up there. As far as I can > see, after Debian, Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora and openSuSE (in no particular > order), Arch has been number 6 on the list of "major Linux > distributions" (excluding profess

Re: [arch-general] OT: "Major distributions"

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Timothy Rice wrote: > > As a rolling release, Arch is usually the leader of adopt new technology. > > But now, Arch is falling behind Debian now. So sad. > > Arch Linux is also about simplicity. For me, this is more important > than the rolling-releaseness and blee

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:55 AM, David Benfell wrote: > Does systemd not use the standard > mount program and follow /etc/fstab? It does. Though it does not use "mount -a", but rather mounts each fs separately. > It's the > classic technical support problem with multiple moving pieces with > eac

Re: [arch-general] OT: "Major distributions"

> As a rolling release, Arch is usually the leader of adopt new technology. > But now, Arch is falling behind Debian now. So sad. Arch Linux is also about simplicity. For me, this is more important than the rolling-releaseness and bleeding-edgeness. If Arch lags behind Debian, that is fine by me;

Re: [arch-general] OT: "Major distributions" (WAS: Re: [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd)

On Aug 14, 2012 6:52 PM, "Leon Feng" wrote: > > 2012/8/15 Thomas Bächler : > > Am 14.08.2012 18:19, schrieb Brandon Watkins: > >> Systemd isn't going anywhere anytime soon, its going to be adopted by RHEL > >> (which means it would also be adopted by RHEL derivatives like CentOS), and > >> its bei

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/14/2012 04:08 PM, Brandon Watkins wrote: > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Norbert Zeh > wrote: > >> David Benfell [2012.08.14 1535 -0700]: >>> What I think is unfortunate about the discussion of systemd >>> here has been that it has been conf

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/14/2012 04:17 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:11 AM, Baho Utot > wrote: >> Have a look at this and notice the /dev/sda2 lines > > Never seen anything like this, so I'd be tempted to say this is > not systemd related. findmn

Re: [arch-general] OT: "Major distributions" (WAS: Re: [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd)

2012/8/15 Thomas Bächler : > Am 14.08.2012 18:19, schrieb Brandon Watkins: >> Systemd isn't going anywhere anytime soon, its going to be adopted by RHEL >> (which means it would also be adopted by RHEL derivatives like CentOS), and >> its being adopted by major distros like fedora, opensuse, mageia

Re: [arch-general] DJB vs LP, was Re: Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:53 PM, David Benfell wrote: >> > I'd add that djb has started several projects that have been, I think, > very, very good, but then dropped them. It is harder to justify using > his stuff when development is largely limited to one man's attention span. > To be fair, he d

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

14.08.2012 17:13, Ralf Mardorf пишет: On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 15:05 +0200, Jelle van der Waa wrote: So better learn it now :p That might be true, since I don't think I have a choice, e.g. switching to BSD seems no alternative for my needs. I should install a second Arch with full Poettering code

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

On 08/14/2012 07:17 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:11 AM, Baho Utot wrote: Have a look at this and notice the /dev/sda2 lines Never seen anything like this, so I'd be tempted to say this is not systemd related. findmnt is usually a better source of this info rather than mou

Re: [arch-general] Polkit and systemd

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 19:13:33 -0400 Manolo Martínez wrote: > Hello, > > If I'm not wrong, systemd makes consolekit superfluous. This is what I > thought it took for polkit to work with systemd: > > * compile polkit with --enable-systemd > * enable the systemd polkit service > * that's it? > > B

Re: [arch-general] Polkit and systemd

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:13 AM, Manolo Martínez wrote: > But that's not it. Although polkit seems to work in console, it does not > work in X. This is not terribly surprising, because I haven't done > anything equivalent to launching my WM under "ck-launch-session", as I > used to do with console

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:11 AM, Baho Utot wrote: > Have a look at this and notice the /dev/sda2 lines Never seen anything like this, so I'd be tempted to say this is not systemd related. findmnt is usually a better source of this info rather than mount. That said, we seem to stray off-topic aga

[arch-general] Polkit and systemd

Hello, If I'm not wrong, systemd makes consolekit superfluous. This is what I thought it took for polkit to work with systemd: * compile polkit with --enable-systemd * enable the systemd polkit service * that's it? But that's not it. Although polkit seems to work in console, it does not work in

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

On 08/14/2012 06:56 PM, David Benfell wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/14/2012 03:46 PM, Baho Utot wrote: Can you do a mount and post the result here I am curious if you see the same thing as I do when systemd is running I have full systemd running under fedora 15/17 a

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Norbert Zeh wrote: > David Benfell [2012.08.14 1535 -0700]: > > What I think is unfortunate about the discussion of systemd here has > > been that it has been conflated with the discussion of pulseaudio. I > > think it is possible to like one and not the other. >

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

David Benfell [2012.08.14 1535 -0700]: > What I think is unfortunate about the discussion of systemd here has > been that it has been conflated with the discussion of pulseaudio. I > think it is possible to like one and not the other. Indeed. The heated discussion about systemd actually had the e

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:35 AM, David Benfell wrote: > This part is true, and the fact that the system comes up *lightning > fast* is a bonus. I'm not satisfied with the documentation, however, > as it seems to be scattered across several man pages, the Arch wiki > only covers some of it, and as

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/14/2012 03:46 PM, Baho Utot wrote: > > Can you do a mount and post the result here I am curious if you see > the same thing as I do when systemd is running I have full systemd > running under fedora 15/17 and it has some bizarre mount points. I

[arch-general] DJB vs LP, was Re: Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/14/2012 09:04 AM, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote: > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 06:00:25PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> I had to google, I never heard about Daniel J. Bernstein before. >> I suspect DJB is for Daniel J. Bernstein? > > Yes. >

Re: [arch-general] [System update] dhcpcd: /usr/lib/systemd/system/dhcpcd@.service exists in filesystem

On 14 August 2012 18:44, Daniel Wallace wrote: > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 02:32:33PM -0700, pants wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:24:55PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > > > Either you are using [testing] without [community-testing], or this is > > > a packaging bug. Either way, don't use --fo

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

On 08/14/2012 06:35 PM, David Benfell wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/14/2012 07:32 AM, Brandon Watkins wrote: For example I find systemd's .service files so much cleaner and easier to understand than initscripts, they are also portable and can be included in upstre

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/14/2012 07:32 AM, Brandon Watkins wrote: >> For example I find systemd's .service files so > much cleaner and easier to understand than initscripts, they are > also portable and can be included in upstream packages. This part is true, and the f

Re: [arch-general] old rc.sysinit?

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Jorge Almeida wrote: >> Thank you. I'm trying to understand which one-time tasks must be performed on >> initialization, and how. I have no problem with current defaults, but > understanding, then most can

Re: [arch-general] old rc.sysinit?

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Jorge Almeida wrote: > Thank you. I'm trying to understand which one-time tasks must be performed on > initialization, and how. I have no problem with current defaults, but > understanding /etc/rc.sysinit requires reading the source of several C files. Most of th

Re: [arch-general] old rc.sysinit?

On 08/14/2012 02:31 PM, Jorge Almeida wrote: > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:22 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Jorge Almeida wrote: >>> I would like to know how Arch used to deal with some init stuff, like >>> configuring virtual consoles, initializing random seed, etc.

Re: [arch-general] [System update] dhcpcd: /usr/lib/systemd/system/dhcpcd@.service exists in filesystem

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 02:32:33PM -0700, pants wrote: > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:24:55PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > > Either you are using [testing] without [community-testing], or this is > > a packaging bug. Either way, don't use --force. > > I have never used a testing repository, and I a

Re: [arch-general] [System update] dhcpcd: /usr/lib/systemd/system/dhcpcd@.service exists in filesystem

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:24:55PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:19 PM, Martin Cigorraga wrote: > > ~# pacman -Syu > > ... > > ... > > (6/6) checking package integrity > > [---] 100% > > (6/6) loading package files > > [--

Re: [arch-general] [System update] dhcpcd: /usr/lib/systemd/system/dhcpcd@.service exists in filesystem

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:24:55PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > Either you are using [testing] without [community-testing], or this is > a packaging bug. Either way, don't use --force. I have never used a testing repository, and I am getting the same error. The conflict is with systemd-arch-units

Re: [arch-general] old rc.sysinit?

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:22 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Jorge Almeida wrote: >> I would like to know how Arch used to deal with some init stuff, like >> configuring virtual consoles, initializing random seed, etc. Is there some >> way >> to retrieve older versio

Re: [arch-general] [System update] dhcpcd: /usr/lib/systemd/system/dhcpcd@.service exists in filesystem

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:19 PM, Martin Cigorraga wrote: > ~# pacman -Syu > ... > ... > (6/6) checking package integrity > [---] 100% > (6/6) loading package files > [---] 100% > (6/6) checking for file conflicts > [

[arch-general] [System update] dhcpcd: /usr/lib/systemd/system/dhcpcd@.service exists in filesystem

~# pacman -Syu ... ... (6/6) checking package integrity [---] 100% (6/6) loading package files [---] 100% (6/6) checking for file conflicts [---] 100% error: failed to commit transaction (co

Re: [arch-general] old rc.sysinit?

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Jorge Almeida wrote: > I would like to know how Arch used to deal with some init stuff, like > configuring virtual consoles, initializing random seed, etc. Is there some way > to retrieve older versions of /etc/rc.sysinit? Sure:

Re: [arch-general] old rc.sysinit?

On 14 August 2012 17:08, Jorge Almeida wrote: > I would like to know how Arch used to deal with some init stuff, like > configuring virtual consoles, initializing random seed, etc. Is there some > way > to retrieve older versions of /etc/rc.sysinit? > > TIA > > Jorge Almeida > Which versions of

Re: [arch-general] old rc.sysinit?

On 14/08/2012 4:08 PM, Jorge Almeida wrote: I would like to know how Arch used to deal with some init stuff, like configuring virtual consoles, initializing random seed, etc. Is there some way to retrieve older versions of /etc/rc.sysinit? Yes: http://projects.archlinux.org/initscripts.git/log/r

[arch-general] old rc.sysinit?

I would like to know how Arch used to deal with some init stuff, like configuring virtual consoles, initializing random seed, etc. Is there some way to retrieve older versions of /etc/rc.sysinit? TIA Jorge Almeida

Re: [arch-general] Update on Trinity - 2 versions available R14 and 3.5.13-sru

On 14 August 2012 15:00, Martin Cigorraga wrote: > On 14 August 2012 12:52, David C. Rankin > wrote: > >> On 08/05/2012 11:03 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: >> > All, >> > >> > There have been a few noteworthy developments with the Trinity project >> for >> > Arch. There will be essentially 2 versi

Re: [arch-general] Update on Trinity - 2 versions available R14 and 3.5.13-sru

On 14 August 2012 12:52, David C. Rankin wrote: > On 08/05/2012 11:03 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: > > All, > > > > There have been a few noteworthy developments with the Trinity project > for > > Arch. There will be essentially 2 versions available. The primary focus > of the > > project is curre

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Geoff wrote: > On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:24:49 -0300 > Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote: > > > You should check arch-dev-public :) > > > > It's a funny thread > > > > > https://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2012-August/023389.html > > Mostly I just re

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:24:49 -0300 Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote: > You should check arch-dev-public :) > > It's a funny thread > > https://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2012-August/023389.html Mostly I just read arch-general and try to understand arguments. I do, however, f

[arch-general] OT: "Major distributions" (WAS: Re: [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd)

Am 14.08.2012 18:19, schrieb Brandon Watkins: > Systemd isn't going anywhere anytime soon, its going to be adopted by RHEL > (which means it would also be adopted by RHEL derivatives like CentOS), and > its being adopted by major distros like fedora, opensuse, mageia etc... What are those "major d

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Calvin Morrison wrote: > On 14 August 2012 12:20, Brandon Watkins wrote: > >> I remember seeing the comparisons against SysV but not at all against > >> upstart or OpenRC > >> > > Comparison of systemd features vs upstart and sysv: note this is from > > lennart'

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd

On 08/14/2012 12:55 PM, Calvin Morrison wrote: > On 14 August 2012 10:57, Stéphane Gaudreault wrote: >> Systemd has a overall better design than SysV, lots of useful administrative >> features and provide quicker boot up. Considering that it has been around in >> our repositories for some time and

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd

On 14 August 2012 12:20, Brandon Watkins wrote: >> I remember seeing the comparisons against SysV but not at all against >> upstart or OpenRC >> > Comparison of systemd features vs upstart and sysv: note this is from > lennart's site... > http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html This table look

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 17:13 +0100, Paul Dann wrote: > Sometimes the most loving thing to do is let someone go through a > short, sharp pain in order to avoid a long, drawn out one. Systemd is > not evil. You may not like the idea of changing, but it probably will > be the best thing for you to do t

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote: > I know that nobody in arch has declared the switch is inevitable > but the way it looks, with upstream being eager enough to do so, > it seems incredibly likely unless we train everyone to use DJB's > daemontools instead. :P

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd

> I remember seeing the comparisons against SysV but not at all against > upstart or OpenRC > Comparison of systemd features vs upstart and sysv: note this is from lennart's site... http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Calvin Morrison wrote: > On 14 August 2012 10:57, Stéphane Gaudreault > wrote: > > Systemd has a overall better design than SysV, lots of useful > administrative > > features and provide quicker boot up. Considering that it has been > around in > > our repositori

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 11:55:28 -0400 Calvin Morrison wrote: > On 14 August 2012 10:57, Stéphane Gaudreault wrote: > > Systemd has a overall better design than SysV, lots of useful > > administrative features and provide quicker boot up. Considering that it > > has been around in our repositories f

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 05:13:45PM +0100, Paul Dann wrote: > Sometimes the most loving thing to do is let someone go through a short, > sharp pain in order to avoid a long, drawn out one. Systemd is not evil. You > may not like the idea of changing, but it probably will be the best thing for > y

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

If there's a developer anywhere that agrees with you, and I expect there will be at some point, udev will be forked, or something else will be developed to rival systemd. Right now, that's not even necessary. -- Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity. Baho Utot wrote: On 08/14/2012 10

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 18:14 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 17:04 +0100, Paul Dann wrote: > > Is that what you're worried about? > > Yes ;D. I switched to Arch to get rid of fear. No I'm very scary. >^^^ Now > - Ralf

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 17:04 +0100, Paul Dann wrote: > Is that what you're worried about? Yes ;D. I switched to Arch to get rid of fear. No I'm very scary. - Ralf

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

Sometimes the most loving thing to do is let someone go through a short, sharp pain in order to avoid a long, drawn out one. Systemd is not evil. You may not like the idea of changing, but it probably will be the best thing for you to do to avoid more pain down the line. No rush, but I reckon t

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 16:59 +0100, Paul Dann wrote: > Are you talking about the willingness of the Linux community in > general to go through tough technical transitions for the sake of > progress? If so, I'd say that's one of the big things that makes Linux > so successful, and Windows so slow to

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 09:46 -0600, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 05:05:14PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > Mailman archives! IIRC Heiko mentioned that there are more disputes > > > about Lennart Poetterin

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 06:00:25PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I had to google, I never heard about Daniel J. Bernstein before. I > suspect DJB is for Daniel J. Bernstein? Yes. > If so, he seemingly isn't as half as arrogant as LP. Spend a week lurking a crypto mailing list and you may change y

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

That sounds like a perfectly fair attitude to have. Although the change may require a little thought, I really think SystemD will not suddenly make Arch difficult to use, though. Is that what you're worried about? -- Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity. Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue,

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Paul Dann wrote: > > Are you talking about the willingness of the Linux community in general to > go through tough technical transitions for the sake of progress? If so, I'd > say that's one of the big things that makes Linux so successful, and > Windows so slow

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd

On 14 August 2012 11:58, Jelle van der Waa wrote: > On 08/14/12 17:55, Calvin Morrison wrote: >> On 14 August 2012 10:57, Stéphane Gaudreault wrote: >>> Systemd has a overall better design than SysV, lots of useful administrative >>> features and provide quicker boot up. Considering that it has b

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 09:46 -0600, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote: > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 05:05:14PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Mailman archives! IIRC Heiko mentioned that there are more disputes > > about Lennart Poettering and his software on ALL mailing lists, than > > about anythin

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

Are you talking about the willingness of the Linux community in general to go through tough technical transitions for the sake of progress? If so, I'd say that's one of the big things that makes Linux so successful, and Windows so slow to improve. There are always the distros with LTS releases

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd

On 08/14/12 17:55, Calvin Morrison wrote: > On 14 August 2012 10:57, Stéphane Gaudreault wrote: >> Systemd has a overall better design than SysV, lots of useful administrative >> features and provide quicker boot up. Considering that it has been around in >> our repositories for some time and that

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:30:50AM -0400, Brandon Watkins wrote: > Also, I will state once again that I think people are > highly exaggerating the "difficulty" of transitioning an arch install to > systemd, its quite simple. It sounds like you're trying to turn peoples' subjective preferences int

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd

On 14 August 2012 10:57, Stéphane Gaudreault wrote: > Systemd has a overall better design than SysV, lots of useful administrative > features and provide quicker boot up. Considering that it has been around in > our repositories for some time and that it could be considered stable enough > for pro

Re: [arch-general] Update on Trinity - 2 versions available R14 and 3.5.13-sru

On 08/05/2012 11:03 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: > All, > > There have been a few noteworthy developments with the Trinity project for > Arch. There will be essentially 2 versions available. The primary focus of the > project is currently on TDE 14.0.0 (R14) which is TQt3 based and due to > execut

Re: [arch-general] Using ATTR{flags} in udev rules

On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 09:03:20 -0500 Sander Jansen wrote: > On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Leonid Isaev wrote: > > Hi, > > > > While building an Arch-based wireless router I ran into a problem > > of persistent NIC naming. To differentiate which interfaces go to WAN and > > LAN, I have

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

Yes, but it strives to hide those sorts of transitions from the user. I believe the issue in question is the pain of change. -- Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity. Jelle van der Waa wrote: On 08/14/12 15:51, Paul Gideon Dann wrote: > On Tuesday 14 Aug 2012 14:59:43 Ralf Mardorf wro

[arch-general] XServer: Display errors beyond virtual x-coord 2640

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi there, I found a strange problem today after connecting my new monitor to my computer. With the new monitor I am using a multi monitor setup of size 3200 x 1080. But it seems some applications are having troubles displaying anything beyond the appa

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 05:05:14PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Mailman archives! IIRC Heiko mentioned that there are more disputes > about Lennart Poettering and his software on ALL mailing lists, than > about anything else. > > Why is it like that? Probably because he has all the arrogance of D

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