Re: alpine mail client with gmx.net as mail provider

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

by hardcoding my GMX mail address in
alpine-2.20/imap/src/c-client/smtp.c, i was able to prove that
my workstation hostname in the "MAIL FROM:" argument is indeed
the stumblestone which prevented SMTP success with gmx.net.

Whew.

Now i need to find out how to regularly configure the components
of env->return_path to the values which yield success.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas


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Re: What pulls in the tray of my /dev/sr1 ?

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Mike Castle wrote:
> Has the drive displayed this behavior since you turned on the machine,
> or just you just start to notice it after a while?

I noticed it on the day when i got the machine.


> Maybe it only starts to happen after it's been on for a while, and
> Window machines don't stay booted long enough.

Under other circumstances i would happily support this theory.


> Ok, really maybe it only starts to happen after some specific event,
> which could be any thing you'd done while working on libburn, or some
> internal timer kicked off, or something like that.

Some delayed action came to my mind too.
But my own experience with the MMC specs and the statement of the
manufacturer make this improbable.

If there was a command sequence which causes such a delayed
action, then it must be in effect for more than one pull-in.
Normally i would expect that such a delayed action is not
repeated without new commands.
But my drive pulls in without any commands shown by btrace
between two experiments.


> It wasn't clear if your stability testing revolved around libburn or
> not.

All dangerous tests are made with burners in USB boxes.
(Linux still has the best behavior when it comes to get
 rid of a stuck USB drive.)
The burner in question is attached via SATA directly.
It gets no SCSI commands from libburn, which the other
four burners did not get.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas


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Re: What package contains the time daemon?

[Mart van de Wege]

Dennis Wicks  writes:

> Mart van de Wege wrote on 07/27/2015 12:49 AM:
>> Gary Dale  writes:
>>
>>> On 26/07/15 02:44 PM, Mart van de Wege wrote:
 Gary Dale  writes:

>>> Upgrading to sid is asking for trouble. Sid isn't called unstable for
>>> nothing.
>>
>> I know. I really do. I only have been running Debian since potato. On
>> the other hand, someone's gotta run Sid, or it'll never get debugged.
>
> Yeah, well that ain't me. I have enough trouble with releases labeled
> "stable"!

And to pour more oil on the fire, I built a VM to try and reproduce the
problem, and it booted right up, DHCP+NFS and all. Gr.

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RE: cups/cups-browsed: only advertise online network printers

[Tuxo Holic]

Okay Brian - here's the update of further testing:
I need one BrowsePoll line enabled so the cups-browsed clients know what 
hostname or IP they should poll,which leaves me with the following *not 
default* but very simplistic cups-browsed.conf
grep -v ^# /etc/cups/cups-browsed.conf
BrowseRemoteProtocols dnssd cupsBrowsePoll 192.168.1.1:631 #could use Server1 
as hostname with the same effect
LANG=C lpstat -t
scheduler is running

 no system default destination  

  device for HP-LaserJet-1020: 
ipp://192.168.1.1:631/printers/HP_LaserJet_1020 
   HP-LaserJet-1020 accepting requests 
since Tue 28 Jul 2015 10:04:34 AM CEST  
 printer HP-LaserJet-1020 is idle.  enabled 
since Tue 28 Jul 2015 10:04:34 AM CEST
Let me be clear, that without a BrowsePoll line I end up with no search result 
in lpstat .
I successfully removed the cups-browsed package from the server which leaves 
cups alone to share printers on the server side.
I can remove the cups package on the client, but doing so I end up with 
cups-browsed being unusable. Reinstalling cups right away and it will work 
again. Conclusion: seems to me cups should be a dependency for cups-browsed, in 
Debian/Jessie. Either it is not or I messed up my apt environment.
>> Clients see print *queues*, not printers. Print queues are advertised by
> the server. The on/off status of the printer is immaterial. If you do not
> want the clients to see the queues do
> 
> systemctl stop avahi-daemon.service>
I get that, but it still is cause for confusion to some people, because there 
is no way to distinguish a queue of a running printer to a queue of a *not* 
running printer. You can successfully hit print and there is no feedback 
whatsoever in the application, that next you should get up and switch on your 
printer.
Which brings me back to my previous question: Seems to me "server cups" knows 
that printer is not running yet, how can I make "server cups" tell this to 
"client cups" , so the users gets the feedback in the printing app? My idea 
would be some sort of notification like "please switch on printer 
"HP_LaserJet_1020" .
  

Re: Pitfalls of german-english dictionaries. Was: What pulls in the tray of my /dev/sr1 ?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Tuesday 28 July 2015 05:23:48 Joel Rees wrote:
> Hi, Lisi,

Hi, Joel,

> If I'm still in your blacklists, it won't help for me to comment, but ...

No, you're not.  I'm surprised that it mattered enough for you to remember!

> 2015/07/28 6:46 "Lisi Reisz" :
> > On Monday 27 July 2015 16:53:14 Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> > > "The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that
> > >  English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow
>
> words;
>
> > > on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat
> > > them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."  -- James
>
> D.
>
> > > Nicoll
> > >
> > > So:
> > > "bzw." is a really useful word. Get it and use it whenever
> > > you want to point to a fork in your thoughts.
> >
> > I'm not defending the purity of anything.  The English language is a
> > right mish-mash of Latin, French, German, Norse, Hindi etc..  But
>
> none-the-less, it
>
> > improves comprehensibility if one sticks roughly to the language in which
>
> one
>
> > is speaking/writing.
> >
> > If you do use foreign words, you need to be willing to explain them when
> > asked, as you were by Chris.
> >
> > I'm still not clear on the meaning of bzw,
>
> I'm guessing it was in the part you cut out, the "beziehungsweise" that he
> was translating as "respectively", abbrevitated to "resp."

I couldn't follow.  Yes, I knew that bzw was beziehungsweise, and that he 
translated it to "respectively", which he chose to abbreviate to resp, thus 
from my point of view muddying the waters still further.

> > nor in what way its meaning differs
> > from "or".  So I shall continue to use "or". ;-)
> >
> > Lisi
>
> With a little help from google translate, "or rather".
>
> I'd go with the idea suggested on the stackexchange post he referenced,
> that, in other contexts, the English grammar puts the "beziehungswiese"
> after two lists which are being associated:
>
> ... translating breakfast, lunch, and dinner
> as "asa-gohan", "o-hiru", and "yuu-han", _respectively_.
>
> (with apologies for potentally muddying the waters further by using
> Japanese in my example).
>
> And, in this case, "namely" doesn't work other.
>
> This may be one time that Google translate was useful.

Thanks, Joel.  What you have said is clear, and respectively makes sense 
there.  But it still doesn't make sense to me of what Thomas originally 
said.  "resp" remains a _foreign_ word of English origin.

Since we are referring now to Japanese, when my granddaughter was a toddler 
she often asked for "dako" as a noun, or issued "dako!" as a command.  We 
accepted the Japanese simply because it was untranslatable.  We used the 
Japanese word even when speaking English, and she bemused my Israeli cousins 
by announcing loudly that "Grandma needs dako" when I had pneumonia and was 
feeling very ill.

Nonetheless, no matter how useful the word, I have never used it in English to 
a non-Japanese speaking child. 

Lisi


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Re: Pitfalls of german-english dictionaries. Was: What pulls in the tray of my /dev/sr1 ?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Tuesday 28 July 2015 07:32:54 Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> I was not aware that "resp." is wrong
> in that context.

The main problem is that it isn't an English word, so one can't look it up in 
a dictionary.  And Chris's question was quite clear!!

I obviously have a mental block for bzw.  I'll make another attempt later when 
I've had a cup of tea. ;-)

Lisi


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plain (original) Debian hosting

[Staszek]

Hi

I am looking for plain Debian hosting, i.e. running unmodified Debian
software. What can you recommend and why? A cheap VPS will be sufficient
for me at this point.

I am aware of this page: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting , however
it is not quite accurate!

For example OVH does its own modifications to the kernel, and the
company declined to explain what those changes are.
When upgrading from Wheezy to Jessie I encountered 3 problems (I had to
manually edit the script files, upgrade the kernel as a separate step
etc.) and I think at least 2 of them were caused by those OVH
modifications (to the kernel and to the rest of the system).
To me, this is shit.

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[SOLVED] Re: alpine mail client with gmx.net as mail provider

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

the trick is to go to the configuration item "Customized Headers"
and to add a customized "From:" header. Like
  From: Full Name 

One can gets this instruction by pressing the help key "?"
on the item "User Domain" and following the "here" link
in the third paragraph.

By setting my GMX mail address there, i get alpine to send
"MAIL FROM:" with this addrss and gmx.net does not reject
this SMTP command any more.

I am using this setting with Debian's alpine-2.11 binary
and for now drop the use of my patched alpine-2.20.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas


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Re: Letsencrypt - Debian?

[Darac Marjal]

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 03:37:49PM -0400, Michael Bonert wrote:
> Is there a time line for releasing a "Let's Encrypt" ( letsencrypt) package
> for Debian?

I wouldn't expect to see a package any time before September (This is
when the website goes "General Availability":
https://letsencrypt.org/2015/06/16/lets-encrypt-launch-schedule.html).
If you want notification of when it does happen, though, subscribe to
bug #774387 (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=774387),
which is the ITP (Intent To Package) for it. That bug should be closed
by the creation of the package.

> Will it be backported to Debian stable?

Jessie? No. The whole point of stable is that the set of packages
therein is stable (hence the name). Also, I wouldn't expect it to appear
in backports and there's plenty of other ways to HTTPS-enable a website
as is.

Stretch? Entirely possible.

> 
> I did note discussion of that here:
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=774387
> 
> It is available at github:
> https://github.com/letsencrypt/letsencrypt
> 
> There is a mailing list archive for letsencrypt development
> https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/letsencrypt-devel/
> ... but it seems to be inactive.
> 
> I would be delighted to go 'https' on the modest website I have helped
> to build.  I hope the package comes when 'Let's Encrypt' goes live. :-)
> 
> Michael
> 
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Re: Next Q, re amd64-microcode

[Darac Marjal]

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 07:39:32PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Greetings all;
> 
> Is there an autoloading routine I know not about that chooses to see if 
> either the intel-microdoe is loaded and applied, or the amd64-microcode 
> is applied?
> 
> I cannot find a reference to the attempt to load it in the dmesg report 
> on this machine I am building.. Apt-get install says it is already the 
> latest version.  Seems to me there ought to be some treacks in the boot 
> log.

As I understand it, the microcode appropriate to the processor is
PREpended to the inird image. The kernel will then read that very early
on and apply it to each CPU as it starts it.

https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/x86/early-microcode.txt

You should be able to see microcode being loaded by "dmesg | grep
microcode". If that returns nothing, then it may simply be that your
CPU(s) are running the latest available microcode.

> 
> Thanks folks.
>   
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Re: GTK3-apps: Scrollbar jumps to the bottom after scrolling with mouse wheel when regaining focus

[Nils Dallmeyer]

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015, at 13:06, Louis Wust wrote:
> The trouble is that I am no longer seeing this behavior in evince,
> which makes it difficult to run further experiments. I'll keep an eye
> out and report back if I see it again.

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015, at 18:43, Joe wrote:
> I'm using Xfce on sid. The behaviour has improved in the last day or
> two, but it still isn't right.

Therefore I decided to wait some time because I expected the bug to
disappear. After installation of a libgtk-3.0-update today everything
is fine. I tested it with evince and gedit.


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Re: Pitfalls of german-english dictionaries. Was: What pulls in the tray of my /dev/sr1 ?

[Joel Rees]

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Thomas Schmitt  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> [...]
> Here is a nice spectrum of "beziehungsweise" and its english
> counterparts.
>   http://www.linguee.com/german-english/translation/beziehungsweise.html
> Some "respectively" are among them. Some are quite near to
> my (mislead) use of it.

They seem nearer to you than to me, I think.

I instinctively look for a pair of lists of things to map when I see
"respectively" in these contexts. Hovering the cursor over the
ellipses (sp?) brings up the context, and the two lists were present
in every case I checked.

"In respect of ___" or "respecting" may come close to the meaning in
some cases. Or not.

"... or rather ..." seems to work in the present case, but I notice a
number of places in that list of examples that it would not. ("or
rather" just does not map to "and".)

I think beziehungsweise bears some similarity to the logical
implication operator.

>> This may be one time that Google translate was useful.
>
> It helps from time to time. (But how trustworthy is it,
> given the miserable state of german-english online
> dictionaries ?)

Clues, yes, translations, no.

Linguee looks really useful for studying the deeper semantics of
German. I'll have to check the Japanese and Spanish texts, too. Thanks
for pointing it out.

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Arm yourself with knowledge of yourself, as well:
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Re: Next Q, re amd64-microcode

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 28 July 2015 05:36:22 Darac Marjal wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 07:39:32PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > Is there an autoloading routine I know not about that chooses to see
> > if either the intel-microdoe is loaded and applied, or the
> > amd64-microcode is applied?
> >
> > I cannot find a reference to the attempt to load it in the dmesg
> > report on this machine I am building.. Apt-get install says it is
> > already the latest version.  Seems to me there ought to be some
> > treacks in the boot log.
>
> As I understand it, the microcode appropriate to the processor is
> PREpended to the inird image. The kernel will then read that very
> early on and apply it to each CPU as it starts it.
>
> https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/x86/early-microcode.txt
>
> You should be able to see microcode being loaded by "dmesg | grep
> microcode". If that returns nothing, then it may simply be that your
> CPU(s) are running the latest available microcode.
>
> > Thanks folks.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett

Since the cpu in question is an athlon64 X2, and therefore a bit ancient, 
I'd doubt that.  I just looked at the initrd with a hex editor but see 
no identifying text that would help to identify what I am looking at.

I'll ask on the emc machine list if there is a way to regenerate the 
initrd to include the AuthenticAMD bits.

Thank you.

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Re: Pitfalls of german-english dictionaries. Was: What pulls in the tray of my /dev/sr1 ?

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Joel Rees wrote:
> I instinctively look for a pair of lists of things to map when I see
> "respectively" in these contexts.

Now that i know the correct meaning i do understand why
the german-ish use appears so odd to native speakers.

That's why i deem the main translation flatly false:
"respectively" is nearly never "beziehungsweise".

But even my old paper dictionary "Langenscheidts
Handwoerterbuch Englisch" has them as first proposal and the
correct meanings only as second ones:
"or rather" for "beziehungsweise".
"in dieser Reihenfolge" (= "in this sequence") for "respectively".

The lure for error is even more appealing because both words
have an abbreviation: "resp." and "bzw.".


> I think beziehungsweise bears some similarity to the logical
> implication operator.

This impression would be wrong. Among logical operators it
is indeed nearest to "or". Not so much to "exor".
Somehow it resembles a diffuse "if-then":
"If you like to view it differently then it can also be
 seen as this given alternative."

As said: English language should adopt it. It is as versatile
as "put" and "get".


> Thanks for pointing it [www.linguee.com] out.

Google's merit.
But i must say this page really summarizes the problem.
Including the standard first proposal and the empirical
evidence that it is wrong.

"as the case may be" appears very near to the german
meaning of "beziehungsweise".
Directly translated from its two word parts it would be
"relation-wise".


Have a nice day :)

Thomas


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Re: Letsencrypt - Debian?

[Christian Seiler]

Am 2015-07-28 11:29, schrieb Darac Marjal:

Will it be backported to Debian stable?


Jessie? No. The whole point of stable is that the set of packages
therein is stable (hence the name). Also, I wouldn't expect it to 
appear
in backports and there's plenty of other ways to HTTPS-enable a 
website

as is.


But no other way without using the service of companies with a
business model that many people don't necessarily want to
support. Also, the main feature of letsencrypt is that it can
renew certificates automatically, so you never have to take
care of it yourself anymore (once it's set up). This is a HUGE
advantage - just think about how many sites with expired
certificates you've stumbled upon in the past.

I'd definitely want to see it in backports myself once it's
migrated to testing (maybe even wheezy-backports-sloppy, since
Wheezy will likely get LTS) - and if nobody else wants to do
the work, consider this email me volunteering to do the work
to maintain the backported version. ;-)

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Re: Pitfalls of german-english dictionaries. Was: What pulls in the tray of my /dev/sr1 ?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Tuesday 28 July 2015 11:49:33 Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> The lure for error is even more appealing because both words
> have an abbreviation: "resp." and "bzw.".

We are back to the nub of the problem.  Not in English, it doesn't;  resp. is 
meaningless, unfortunately.  My spell-checker has just (correctly) objected 
to it!  Resp. is a German word, derived from an English word.

Every language has useful words that other languages don't have.  And I still 
haven't really understood what bzw. means, so I don't think that I'll be 
adopting it any time soon.

Lisi


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Re: Pitfalls of german-english dictionaries. Was: What pulls in the tray of my /dev/sr1 ?

[Alexis]

Lisi Reisz  writes:


On Tuesday 28 July 2015 11:49:33 Thomas Schmitt wrote:
The lure for error is even more appealing because both words 
have an abbreviation: "resp." and "bzw.".


We are back to the nub of the problem.  Not in English, it 
doesn't;  resp. is  meaningless, unfortunately.


i've seen 'resp.' used elsewhere; iirc, i've seen it used in 
English-language mathematics papers. And Wiktionary not only lists 
'resp.' as an alternative form of 'respectively', but also gives 
an example of its full form as an adverb:


   https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/respectively


Alexis.


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Re: What pulls in the tray of my /dev/sr1 ?

[Frédéric Marchal]

2015-07-28 10:20 GMT+02:00 Thomas Schmitt :
> Hi,
>
> Mike Castle wrote:
>> Has the drive displayed this behavior since you turned on the machine,
>> or just you just start to notice it after a while?
>
> I noticed it on the day when i got the machine.
>
>
>> Ok, really maybe it only starts to happen after some specific event,
>> which could be any thing you'd done while working on libburn, or some
>> internal timer kicked off, or something like that.
>
> Some delayed action came to my mind too.
> But my own experience with the MMC specs and the statement of the
> manufacturer make this improbable.
>
> If there was a command sequence which causes such a delayed
> action, then it must be in effect for more than one pull-in.
> Normally i would expect that such a delayed action is not
> repeated without new commands.
> But my drive pulls in without any commands shown by btrace
> between two experiments.

Could it be closing because the open sensor is defective or not
properly aligned or the drawer reaches the mechanical hard stop?

Then, maybe the motor detects it as a over-current and closes the
drawer the way it does when you push it manually.

The delay seems a bit long for such an action though. I would expect
the drive to give up much sooner if the drawer doesn't open wide
enough to its liking...

Frederic


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Re: Pitfalls of german-english dictionaries. Was: What pulls in the tray of my /dev/sr1 ?

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Lisi Reisz wrote:
> Not in English, it doesn't;  resp.  is meaningless, unfortunately.

Blame the dictionaries. I'm just their victim.

  https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/resp.#Abbreviation
  http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/resp.

Yes, various forum users do object loudly.
But you can find any opinion there.


> Resp. is a German word, derived from an English word.

No it isn't. We already have our "bzw.".

It is an illegal alien in english language who is
already registered by the local trade control authorities
and pays taxes.
(Just like the genitive apostrophe is in german. We will
 never get rid of it again.)


Have a nice day :)

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Samba issue after RAID1 recovery

[Muhammad Yousuf Khan]

I had a RAID 1 array for our (fileserver)samba setup  which is integrated
with AD . last week one drive died along with motherboard.i attached the
drive to another one everything seems working fine till today. now i am
seeing error on windows client end.
"\\MySambaServer is not accessible you might not have permission to use
this network resource .."

now i can not track this issue.

wbinfo shows the correct list of ad users and group.
ls -l shows the correct permission.
however i can not see the error in log. /var/log/samba/log.MyClientIP

can anyone guys where i can track this issue. so that my fileserver can
come back on-line.

any help will be appreciable.

Thanks
MYK

Re: external (USB) disk errors causing hangs and 100% cpu core usage

[Celejar]

On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 23:40:10 -0400
Gary Dale  wrote:

> On 27/07/15 10:08 PM, Celejar wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a fairly new external USB disk that frequently throws errors.
> > When these occur, the disk becomes partially or totally inaccessible.
> > Even worse, when I try to umount it, the umount hangs indefinitely,
> > using 100% of one of my cpu cores. I haven't yet found any way to
> > recover short of hard booting (long press of the power button) the
> > system (soft booting - halt, reboot, poweroff - hang). smart seems to

...

> I've had similar problems with USB3 drives which seemed to crop up while 
> reading the disk. They were OK on writing. It also required a reboot to 
> correct.
> 
> I still haven't resolved it - it's on a headless machine in a remote 
> location so I wanted to try a BIOS upgrade next time I am out that way. 
> My workaround was to connect the drives to USB2 ports instead of USB3. 
> Not ideal but it's working for now.

The drive is USB3, but all my ports are only USB2 to begin with. What
really bugs me is the 100% CPU utilization. Is this considered a driver
bug - shouldn't the driver be able to recover more gracefully for any
sort of real world error condition?

Celejar


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Re: What pulls in the tray of my /dev/sr1 ?

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Frédéric Marchal wrote:
> Could it be closing because the open sensor is defective or not
> properly aligned or the drawer reaches the mechanical hard stop?

The drive mechanics appear to be ok.
It goes out when i want it and it is unused.
It goes in when i want ... and after 200 seconds regardless
whether i want or not.
The mechanical sound is a bit shaky but most drives nowadays
rattle when moving the tray. (Normally burners die from
blindness and not from broken mechanics.)


> The delay seems a bit long for such an action though.

My measurements were all between 197 and 200 seconds.
With some inaccuracy because waiting 3 minutes harms my
reaction time.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas


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Re: plain (original) Debian hosting

[lostson]

On Tue, 2015-07-28 at 10:25 +0200, Staszek wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I am looking for plain Debian hosting, i.e. running unmodified Debian
> software. What can you recommend and why? A cheap VPS will be sufficient
> for me at this point.
> 
> I am aware of this page: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting , however
> it is not quite accurate!
> 
> For example OVH does its own modifications to the kernel, and the
> company declined to explain what those changes are.
> When upgrading from Wheezy to Jessie I encountered 3 problems (I had to
> manually edit the script files, upgrade the kernel as a separate step
> etc.) and I think at least 2 of them were caused by those OVH
> modifications (to the kernel and to the rest of the system).
> To me, this is shit.
> 
> -- 
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> http://www.eisenbits.com/
> 
> OpenPGP: 9EC2 5620 2355 B1DC 4A8F  8C79 0EC7 C214 E5AE 3B4E
> 
> 
 Personally I use this one http://debian-hosting.info/ I have used it
for years with no complaints. 

LostSon


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Re: plain (original) Debian hosting

[claude juif]

Hi,

With OVH you can choose plain vanilla kernel at installation time.

2015-07-28 10:25 GMT+02:00 Staszek :

> Hi
>
> I am looking for plain Debian hosting, i.e. running unmodified Debian
> software. What can you recommend and why? A cheap VPS will be sufficient
> for me at this point.
>
> I am aware of this page: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting , however
> it is not quite accurate!
>
> For example OVH does its own modifications to the kernel, and the
> company declined to explain what those changes are.
> When upgrading from Wheezy to Jessie I encountered 3 problems (I had to
> manually edit the script files, upgrade the kernel as a separate step
> etc.) and I think at least 2 of them were caused by those OVH
> modifications (to the kernel and to the rest of the system).
> To me, this is shit.
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Re: bash-complete errors

[Dennis Wicks]

David Wright wrote on 07/27/2015 12:12 AM:

Quoting Dennis Wicks (w...@mgssub.com):

Frequently when I run a command in a terminal window (Debian 8.1
Xfce) I get a bunch of errors.


/bin/bash: _parse_usage: line 16: syntax error near unexpected token `('
/bin/bash: _parse_usage: line 16: ` -?(\[)+([a-zA-Z0-9?]))'
/bin/bash: error importing function definition for `_parse_usage'
/bin/bash: _longopt: line 14: syntax error near unexpected token `('
/bin/bash: _longopt: line 14: ` --+([-a-z0-9_]))'
/bin/bash: error importing function definition for `_longopt'


I have googled these and have not been able to find anything that
tells how to fix the problem. Does anybody have any info on how to
get rid of these?


I googled   _parse_usage   and hit 2 was 
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=778282

I know nothing about Xfce or krb5-user, so I can't say whether
this is sufficient to fix your problem, though I am a bit surprised
you didn't turn it up.

Cheers,
David.


I did see that but it sounds like it only works for root 
shells started with sudo or su. And that is correct. But my 
problem is with user shell running bash. However, I put the 
command in my user .bashrc and .profile and when I start a 
*new* shell, no more errors. It does not work to just run 
the command

"bash /usr/share/bash-completion/bash_completion"
from the command line after the shell is started.

Thanks for the comment. I wouldn't have revisited that bug 
report otherwise.


TNX!
Dennis


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Re: Pitfalls of german-english dictionaries. Was: What pulls in the tray of my /dev/sr1 ?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Tuesday 28 July 2015 12:48:25 Alexis wrote:
> Lisi Reisz  writes:
> > On Tuesday 28 July 2015 11:49:33 Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> >> The lure for error is even more appealing because both words
> >> have an abbreviation: "resp." and "bzw.".
> >
> > We are back to the nub of the problem.  Not in English, it
> > doesn't;  resp. is  meaningless, unfortunately.
>
> i've seen 'resp.' used elsewhere; iirc, i've seen it used in
> English-language mathematics papers.

Possibly.  But maths is a language all of its own.

> And Wiktionary not only lists 
> 'resp.' as an alternative form of 'respectively', 

Yes, I missed that.  I couldn't find it.  I stand corrected.  But it is 
certainly not in normal use.

> but also gives 
> an example of its full form as an adverb:
>
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/respectively

Oh, yes.  of course the word respectively exists.

Lisi
>
>
> Alexis.


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Re: Pitfalls of german-english dictionaries. Was: What pulls in the tray of my /dev/sr1 ?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Tuesday 28 July 2015 12:59:06 Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > Not in English, it doesn't;  resp.  is meaningless, unfortunately.
>
> Blame the dictionaries. I'm just their victim.
>
>   https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/resp.#Abbreviation
>   http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/resp.
>
> Yes, various forum users do object loudly.
> But you can find any opinion there.
>
> > Resp. is a German word, derived from an English word.
>
> No it isn't. We already have our "bzw.".
>
> It is an illegal alien in english language who is
> already registered by the local trade control authorities
> and pays taxes.

:-)

> (Just like the genitive apostrophe is in german. We will
>  never get rid of it again.)

How on earth does it get used in German?  I'd like to know - but you had 
better reply off list!

Lisi


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Re: Fall-back after "upgrade"?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Tuesday 28 July 2015 15:38:41 Dennis Wicks wrote:
> Greetings!
>
> I am considering upgrading from Jessie 8.1 to Stretch
> (testing) to see if some problems disappear.
>
> Is there any procedure for backing out the upgrade just in
> case things "don't work out"?

1. Take a really good back-up and restore from it.

2. Install Stretch as a dual boot with Jessie.

Lisi


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Fall-back after "upgrade"?

[Dennis Wicks]

Greetings!

I am considering upgrading from Jessie 8.1 to Stretch 
(testing) to see if some problems disappear.


Is there any procedure for backing out the upgrade just in 
case things "don't work out"?


TIA,
Dennis


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Re: cups/cups-browsed: only advertise online network printers

[Brian]

On Tue 28 Jul 2015 at 10:35:33 +0200, Tuxo Holic wrote:

> Okay Brian - here's the update of further testing:
> I need one BrowsePoll line enabled so the cups-browsed clients know
> what hostname or IP they should poll,which leaves me with the
> following *not default* but very simplistic cups-browsed.conf
>
> grep -v ^# /etc/cups/cups-browsed.conf
> BrowseRemoteProtocols dnssd cups
> BrowsePoll 192.168.1.1:631 #could use Server1 as hostname with the same effect
>
> LANG=C lpstat -t
> scheduler is running
> no system default destination
> device for HP-LaserJet-1020:
> ipp://192.168.1.1:631/printers/HP_LaserJet_1020
> HP-LaserJet-1020 accepting requests since Tue 28 Jul 2015 10:04:34 AM CEST
> printer HP-LaserJet-1020 is idle.  enabled since Tue 28 Jul 2015 10:04:34 AM 
> CEST

> Let me be clear, that without a BrowsePoll line I end up with no
> search result in lpstat .

I do not understand that. BrowsePoll is  in cups-browsed to provide
backwards compatibility with server versions < 1.6.x. Servers > 1.6.x
do not respond to CUPS packets.

  BrowseRemoteProtocols dnssd

should be the only line necessary for you in cups-browsed.conf.

> I successfully removed the cups-browsed package from the server which
> leaves cups alone to share printers on the server side.
>
> I can remove the cups package on the client, but doing so I end up
> with cups-browsed being unusable. Reinstalling cups right away and it
> will work again. Conclusion: seems to me cups should be a dependency
> for cups-browsed, in Debian/Jessie. Either it is not or I messed up my
> apt environment.

cups-browsed is not unusable; it does not require cups-daemon in order
to work, which is what is meant by a dependency. Iceweasel will display
print queues without cups on the system by having avahi-daemon inform
cups-browsed of the ones it knows about. Granted, libcups2 is required.

> >> Clients see print *queues*, not printers. Print queues are advertised by
> > the server. The on/off status of the printer is immaterial. If you do not
> > want the clients to see the queues do
> > 
> > systemctl stop avahi-daemon.service>

'systemctl stop avahi-daemon.socket' may also be needed.

> I get that, but it still is cause for confusion to some people,
> because there is no way to distinguish a queue of a running printer to
> a queue of a *not* running printer. You can successfully hit print and
> there is no feedback whatsoever in the application, that next you
> should get up and switch on your printer.

It only leads to confusion if you neglect to do

  systemctl stop cups.service cups.socket cups.path

before or after switching the printer off. :)

> Which brings me back to my previous question: Seems to me "server
> cups" knows that printer is not running yet, how can I make "server
> cups" tell this to "client cups" , so the users gets the feedback in
> the printing app? My idea would be some sort of notification like
> "please switch on printer "HP_LaserJet_1020" .

There is a wiki page for Tea4CUPS. It might give you some ideas.


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Re: Pitfalls of german-english dictionaries. Was: What pulls in the tray of my /dev/sr1 ?

[Curt]

On 2015-07-28, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> On Tuesday 28 July 2015 12:48:25 Alexis wrote:
>> Lisi Reisz  writes:
>> > On Tuesday 28 July 2015 11:49:33 Thomas Schmitt wrote:
>> >> The lure for error is even more appealing because both words
>> >> have an abbreviation: "resp." and "bzw.".
>> >
>> > We are back to the nub of the problem.  Not in English, it
>> > doesn't;  resp. is  meaningless, unfortunately.
>> 
>> i've seen 'resp.' used elsewhere; iirc, i've seen it used in
>> English-language mathematics papers.
>
> Possibly.  But maths is a language all of its own.
>
>> And Wiktionary not only lists 
>> 'resp.' as an alternative form of 'respectively', 
>
> Yes, I missed that.  I couldn't find it.  I stand corrected.  But it is 
> certainly not in normal use.

You said it was "meaningless" in English.

>> but also gives 
>> an example of its full form as an adverb:
>>
>> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/respectively
>
> Oh, yes.  of course the word respectively exists.
>
> Lisi
>>
>>
>> Alexis.
>
>


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Re: Fall-back after "upgrade"?

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 28/07/15 15:43, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Tuesday 28 July 2015 15:38:41 Dennis Wicks wrote:
>> Greetings!
>>
>> I am considering upgrading from Jessie 8.1 to Stretch
>> (testing) to see if some problems disappear.
>>
>> Is there any procedure for backing out the upgrade just in
>> case things "don't work out"?
> 
> 1. Take a really good back-up and restore from it.
> 
> 2. Install Stretch as a dual boot with Jessie.

...or a virtual machine via VirtualBox,

Peter HB


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Re: samba print shares SOLVED

[Roger Howard]

On Thu, 25 Jun 2015, Roger Howard wrote:

I have a problem printing from Windows 7 to a Linux machine which has only 
occurred since the upgrade to Debian Jessie.


I have reported the bug to bugzilla.samba.org (as bug #11271) and there has 
been essentially no response so far.


This problem is now resolved. The cause was a line "disable spoolss = yes" 
in my smb.conf file which had been included at the suggestion of some 
HOWTO I had found. The idea was to stop samba loading all printers listed 
in /etc/printcap and just use the print share specified in the samba 
configuration file. In retrospect this was obviously wrong as "load 
printers = no" does what is required, but interestingly caused no 
difficulties with samba 3.6.6 on Debian squeeze. The problem showed up 
when I upgraded to samba 4.1.17 on Debian jessie.


In future I shall be very careful about using everything I find in 
dubious HOWTOs.



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Re: Samba issue after RAID1 recovery

[Gary Dale]

On 28/07/15 08:11 AM, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:


I had a RAID 1 array for our (fileserver)samba setup  which is 
integrated with AD . last weekone drive died along with motherboard.i 
attached the drive to another one everything seems working fine till 
today. now i am seeing error on windows client end.
"\\MySambaServer is not accessible you might not have permission to 
use this network resource .."


now i can not track this issue.

wbinfo shows the correct list of ad users and group.
ls -l shows the correct permission.
however i can not see the error in log. /var/log/samba/log.MyClientIP

can anyone guys where i can track this issue. so that my fileserver 
can come back on-line.


any help will be appreciable.

Thanks
MYK
I suspect the problems are not related. The real issue may be in the 
unix permissions. For Samba to work properly, the unix permissions need 
to give everyone full rwx access. If they don't, then Samba can't 
control the permissions.



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Re: Pitfalls of german-english dictionaries. Was: What pulls in the tray of my /dev/sr1 ?

[Ron]

On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:30:21 +0100
Lisi Reisz  wrote:

> How on earth does it get used in German?  I'd like to know - but you had 
> better reply off list!

Please, no, we also want to know !
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
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Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

[Michael Fothergill]

>
> >>
> >>
> >>   Don't we mean: firmware.  Nonfree firmware was removed from
> >>   Debian main for some silly reason.  A lot of hardware needs it
> >>   to function.
> >>
> >>
> >> I agree.  Having to install the firmware manually to get X11 working is
> a
> >> bit Arthur Tuttlesque.
> >>
> >> Why not go the whole hog and install Gentoo instead?
> >>
> >> MF
> >>
>
> Well, you get what you pay for. If you want the free beer, you have to
> stand in line, and you have to put up with the advertising, and  with
> all that comes with the free beer.
>
>
​I see the manual installation of the firmware I did after adding the
non-free option in the source file ​as being like putting on a free pair of
spectacles and turning on the the non-free option in the installer as being
similar to adorning a free prosthetic leg.

For me, normal use of the non-free stuff is a bit like choosing to use an
umbrella ie useful but non essential that has a designer label printed on
it etc. Or not if that is your choice.

But maybe this is not the correct way to think about this.

MF



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Re: Fall-back after "upgrade"?

[Pravin Singh]

Maybe use clonezilla to clone your hard drive, then you can restore
image if things go wrong.

On 7/28/15, Peter Hillier-Brook  wrote:
> On 28/07/15 15:43, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>> On Tuesday 28 July 2015 15:38:41 Dennis Wicks wrote:
>>> Greetings!
>>>
>>> I am considering upgrading from Jessie 8.1 to Stretch
>>> (testing) to see if some problems disappear.
>>>
>>> Is there any procedure for backing out the upgrade just in
>>> case things "don't work out"?
>>
>> 1. Take a really good back-up and restore from it.
>>
>> 2. Install Stretch as a dual boot with Jessie.
>
> ...or a virtual machine via VirtualBox,
>
> Peter HB
>
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Re: Pitfalls of german-english dictionaries. Was: What pulls in the tray of my /dev/sr1 ?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Tuesday 28 July 2015 16:31:42 Curt wrote:
> > Yes, I missed that.  I couldn't find it.  I stand corrected.  But it is
> > certainly not in normal use.
>
> You said it was "meaningless" in English.

Yes, as I said above, and you have quoted, I stand corrected.

Lisi


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Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Tuesday 28 July 2015 16:54:12 Michael Fothergill wrote:
> For me, normal use of the non-free stuff is a bit like choosing to use an
> umbrella ie useful but non essential that has a designer label printed on
> it etc. Or not if that is your choice.

It depends.  If you want to use a particular computer, it may be essential in 
the installer.  Using that computer is, of course, possibly like choosing a 
designer umbrella.

Lisi


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Re: Fall-back after "upgrade"?

[David Wright]

Quoting Lisi Reisz (lisi.re...@gmail.com):
> On Tuesday 28 July 2015 15:38:41 Dennis Wicks wrote:
> > Greetings!
> >
> > I am considering upgrading from Jessie 8.1 to Stretch
> > (testing) to see if some problems disappear.
> >
> > Is there any procedure for backing out the upgrade just in
> > case things "don't work out"?
> 
> 1. Take a really good back-up and restore from it.
> 
> 2. Install Stretch as a dual boot with Jessie.

I've always preferred the latter. You can make a real comparison
between the two versions, and it gives you the most time to migrate
any incompatible changes in your data. (Spreadsheets caught me out on
the jessie upgrade.)

In the past I have shared /home, and dealt with dotfiles using links
like .config/mc/mc.ext → ext- → a-version-of-the-file
but that's got complicated with browsers, so now I'm leaving /home
under /, and sharing only a non-dotfiles-partition.

Cheers,
David.


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Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

[Erwan David]

Le 28/07/2015 18:16, Lisi Reisz a écrit :
> On Tuesday 28 July 2015 16:54:12 Michael Fothergill wrote:
>> For me, normal use of the non-free stuff is a bit like choosing to use an
>> umbrella ie useful but non essential that has a designer label printed on
>> it etc. Or not if that is your choice.
> It depends.  If you want to use a particular computer, it may be essential in 
> the installer.  Using that computer is, of course, possibly like choosing a 
> designer umbrella.
>
> Lisi
>
>

I'd rather say that finding a computer which does not need any
proprietary firmware, but is available on the market would be the
biggest problem.


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Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

[Miles Fidelman]

Erwan David wrote:

Le 28/07/2015 18:16, Lisi Reisz a écrit :

On Tuesday 28 July 2015 16:54:12 Michael Fothergill wrote:

For me, normal use of the non-free stuff is a bit like choosing to use an
umbrella ie useful but non essential that has a designer label printed on
it etc. Or not if that is your choice.

It depends.  If you want to use a particular computer, it may be essential in
the installer.  Using that computer is, of course, possibly like choosing a
designer umbrella.

Lisi



I'd rather say that finding a computer which does not need any
proprietary firmware, but is available on the market would be the
biggest problem.


For a desktop or laptop, you're probably right.  For a server, maybe not 
as hard - and you have a lot more choice on configuration of individual 
components (though not so much if you go with IBM, Dell or HP data 
center gear).  Then again, seems like Debian is moving away from a focus 
on servers, at least that's what I infer from the systemd wars.


Miles Fidelman


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Re: Pitfalls of german-english dictionaries. Was: What pulls in the tray of my /dev/sr1 ?

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

i wrote:
> > > (Just like the genitive apostrophe is in german. We will
> > >  never get rid of it again.)

Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > How on earth does it get used in German?  I'd like to know - but you had 
> > better reply off list!

Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> Please, no, we also want to know !

Ok. By popular demand a link to a comprehensive explanation
of the Deppenapostroph and how to avoid it:

  https://www.thegermanz.com/german-apostrophes-deppenapostroph-denglisch/

(I would translate "Deppenapostroph" by "Dumbnut's apostrophe"
 not by "Jerk's apostrophe" as they do.)

--

I agree with Lisi that we should close the case of german-english
translation mishaps for now.
Just to summarize how this sub thread should have looked like:

i wrote:
> > btrace(8) (resp. blktrace(8)) seems to be the better

Chris Bannister wrote:
> Excuse my ignorance, but I was wondering what 'resp.' means here. 

i should then have written:

Oops. I meant "btrace(8) (or rather its backend blktrace(8)) ...".


Have a nice day :)

Thomas


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Re: Pitfalls of german-english dictionaries. Was: What pulls in the tray of my /dev/sr1 ?

[Ron]

On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 19:19:05 +0200
"Thomas Schmitt"  wrote:

> Ok. By popular demand a link to a comprehensive explanation
> of the Deppenapostroph and how to avoid it:

Vielen Dank.

Grüssen,
  
Ron.
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Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

[Michael Fothergill]

On 28 July 2015 at 18:06, Erwan David  wrote:

> Le 28/07/2015 18:16, Lisi Reisz a écrit :
> > On Tuesday 28 July 2015 16:54:12 Michael Fothergill wrote:
> >> For me, normal use of the non-free stuff is a bit like choosing to use
> an
> >> umbrella ie useful but non essential that has a designer label printed
> on
> >> it etc. Or not if that is your choice.
> > It depends.  If you want to use a particular computer, it may be
> essential in
> > the installer.  Using that computer is, of course, possibly like
> choosing a
> > designer umbrella.
> >
> > Lisi
> >
> >
>
> I'd rather say that finding a computer which does not need any
> proprietary firmware, but is available on the market would be the
> biggest problem.



When I said that​​ I saw the manual installation of the firmware( so that
X11 could work)  I did after adding the non-free option in the source file
​as being like putting on a free pair of spectacles, I meant that I felt
like Thelma Dinkley until I had solved this problem..

Whereas when I said that turning on the the non-free option in the
installer was similar to adorning a free prosthetic leg, I meant that if I
were unfortunate to have purchased a computer that needed the firmware in
the installer enabled then I would have felt like Long John Silver or
Captain Hook and could not ambulate the OS installation properly without a
better prosthetic leg than these characters possessed in reality.

If it is true that most computers do infact require non-free firmware then
most users are going to have the Scooby Doo experience and some will be end
up being pirates as well but perhaps not entirely involuntarily so..

I thought that you would only graduate to the umbrella stage once you had
found your sea legs and spectacles as it were...

MF

question about links or e-links?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi folks,
Asking since both browsers  are included in debian distributions.
Do either have a diagnose  feature comparative to lynx' trace command?
This produces a file of code that documents a problem.
Thanks,
Karen


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Re: Next Q, re amd64-microcode

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 28 July 2015 06:29:27 Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Tuesday 28 July 2015 05:36:22 Darac Marjal wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 07:39:32PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > Greetings all;
> > >
> > > Is there an autoloading routine I know not about that chooses to
> > > see if either the intel-microdoe is loaded and applied, or the
> > > amd64-microcode is applied?
> > >
> > > I cannot find a reference to the attempt to load it in the dmesg
> > > report on this machine I am building.. Apt-get install says it is
> > > already the latest version.  Seems to me there ought to be some
> > > treacks in the boot log.
> >
> > As I understand it, the microcode appropriate to the processor is
> > PREpended to the inird image. The kernel will then read that very
> > early on and apply it to each CPU as it starts it.
> >
> > https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/x86/early-microcode.txt
> >
> > You should be able to see microcode being loaded by "dmesg | grep
> > microcode". If that returns nothing, then it may simply be that your
> > CPU(s) are running the latest available microcode.
> >
> > > Thanks folks.
> > >
> > > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> Since the cpu in question is an athlon64 X2, and therefore a bit
> ancient, I'd doubt that.  I just looked at the initrd with a hex
> editor but see no identifying text that would help to identify what I
> am looking at.
>
> I'll ask on the emc machine list if there is a way to regenerate the
> initrd to include the AuthenticAMD bits.
>
> Thank you.

That list apparently does not harbor an answer, so I have now made 2 new 
initrd's following the instructions in the above link, and edited the 
grub boot to have it use the newly built initrd's on a reboot.  One to 
test each of the two files in /lib/firmware/amd-ucode.

The cpu ID's itself via dmesg as:

[0.053621] CPU0: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ 
stepping 02

Midway thru the dmesg after the reboot, dmesg reports:
[2.893141] microcode: AMD CPU family 0xf not supported
[4.039084] microcode: AMD CPU family 0xf not supported
[6.627878] microcode: AMD CPU family 0xf not supported

It appears to make 3 tries even.

My google-fu has located where AMD says family 10h is the starter, the 
first cpu to support this, so am I to assume that the 0xf is too early?

I had a lockup that exactly matched the description of a 10h & newer 
patch, yesterday.  Only a 4 second hold on the power button killed the 
psu and got its attention.

Is there no applicable microcode for the above CPU?

The lockup I had yesterday would allow the machine to continue for an 
additional 1/2 second before the watchdog on the driver card bites and 
tristates all outputs, stopping the machine cold.  This could be 
dangerous for obvious reasons.

Thanks for any further insight on this.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: cups/cups-browsed: only advertise online network printers

[Brian]

On Tue 28 Jul 2015 at 15:53:47 +0100, Brian wrote:

> On Tue 28 Jul 2015 at 10:35:33 +0200, Tuxo Holic wrote:
> 
> > Which brings me back to my previous question: Seems to me "server
> > cups" knows that printer is not running yet, how can I make "server
> > cups" tell this to "client cups" , so the users gets the feedback in
> > the printing app? My idea would be some sort of notification like
> > "please switch on printer "HP_LaserJet_1020" .
> 
> There is a wiki page for Tea4CUPS. It might give you some ideas.

The idea of users getting feedback doesn't appeal to me. If they do not
see the print queues they have nothing to print to.

You seem reluctant to switch off a printer and issue a command on the
computer. Is multitasking out of fashion? It seems to me it solves your
problem so, apart from what follows, I don't think I have much more to
say on the matter.

On the server run a script as a daemon or a cron job. It removes the
queues when the printer is switched off. My example is for a USB printer.

A=$(lsusb | grep -i 'Stylus Color 740')
if [ -z "$A" ]; then
   systemctl stop cups.service cups.socket cups.path
fi

(No sniggering at the back, please. I'm aware of the deficiencies in the
logic. Improvements are welcome).


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Re: cups/cups-browsed: only advertise online network printers

[Jochen Spieker]

Brian:
> 
> A=$(lsusb | grep -i 'Stylus Color 740')
> if [ -z "$A" ]; then
>systemctl stop cups.service cups.socket cups.path
> fi
> 
> (No sniggering at the back, please. I'm aware of the deficiencies in the
> logic. Improvements are welcome).

I would have phrased it something like this:

if ! lsusb | grep -qi 'Stylus Color 740'; then
   systemctl stop cups.service cups.socket cups.path
fi

grep exits with > 0 if it doesn't find your pattern. In this case you
can use -q to prevent grep from printing matching lines on stdout.

Ugly one-liner:

lsusb | grep -qi 'Stylus Color 740' || systemctl stop cups.service cups.socket 
cups.path

"EITHER grep finds something OR I want to shut down Cups."

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Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

[Joel Rees]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 12:54 AM, Michael Fothergill
 wrote:
>
>> >>   Don't we mean: firmware.  Nonfree firmware was removed from
>> >>   Debian main for some silly reason.  A lot of hardware needs it
>> >>   to function.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I agree.  Having to install the firmware manually to get X11 working is
>> >> a
>> >> bit Arthur Tuttlesque.
>> >>
>> >> Why not go the whole hog and install Gentoo instead?
>> >>
>> >> MF
>> >>
>>
>> Well, you get what you pay for. If you want the free beer, you have to
>> stand in line, and you have to put up with the advertising, and  with
>> all that comes with the free beer.
>>
>
> I see the manual installation of the firmware I did after adding the
> non-free option in the source file as being like putting on a free pair of
> spectacles and turning on the the non-free option in the installer as being
> similar to adorning a free prosthetic leg.

But I don't need either glasses or legs.

I do have an Ralink wifi radio in this netbook that is presently
useless to me, because I choose not to use the bundled Microsoft OS.
But, to me, that's not like missing a leg, unless having Microsoft
software is part of the natural definition of a computer. I'm not
willing to cede that to Microsoft yet.

> For me, normal use of the non-free stuff is a bit like choosing to use an
> umbrella ie useful but non essential that has a designer label printed on it
> etc. Or not if that is your choice.

I don't think it works, either. It makes me think of ripping labels
off of legitimate products to put on knock-offs, which seems to me to
be an unreasonable activity. (Unless as an artistic statement.)

Although comparing it to having to carry an umbrella around that I
can't open does have some meaning. Especially when it's raining.

> But maybe this is not the correct way to think about this.

I have just spent lots of time I didn't have trying to analyze your
metaphors carefully, but I looked at my words and decided what I had
written was not correct, either. Deleted most of it.

Your metaphors are yours, they don't work for me, and that is where we
should leave it.

I will agree that the current handling of the non-free stuff is
non-optimal, but I don't want to criticize the project for it.

The problem is within the industry, companies catering to consumers
who like free beer and ignoring consumers who like their toys entirely
free of beer. Speaking metaphorically.

-- 
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Be careful when you look at conspiracy.
Arm yourself with knowledge of yourself, as well:
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installation issue package krb5-users (unmet dependencies)

[Muhammad Yousuf Khan]

when i am installing the package it is throwing this issue. and i want to
install krb5-user for samba.
any help will be highly appreciated.


oot@nas:~# apt-get install krb5-user
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 krb5-user : Depends: libkrb5-3 (= 1.8.3+dfsg-4squeeze7) but
1.10.1+dfsg-5+deb7u2 is to be installed
E: Broken packages

Re: question about links or e-links?

[MENGUAL Jean-Philippe]

Le 28/07/2015 20:12, Karen Lewellen a écrit :

Hi folks,


Hi,


Asking since both browsers  are included in debian distributions.


Yes. links2 and elinks.


Do either have a diagnose  feature comparative to lynx' trace command?
This produces a file of code that documents a problem.


Not sure. Anyway with -dbg package and gdb, you have this I think.

Regards,


Thanks,
Karen





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