Re: Is this normal with USB mice? (solved)

[Osamu Aoki]

On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 12:24:30AM -0600, Jack wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 09:10:24AM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> > #include 
> > * Jack [Mon, Jan 20 2003, 11:48:16PM]:
> > > Thanks for the hints.  I have almost the same configure as yours.  Would
> > > you try this for me when you by chance reboot your machine?  Unplug the
> > > USB mouse,  boot OS,  startx,  plugin the USB mouse.  Does the USB mouse
> > > work right away?  In my case,  "cat /dev/input/mice" trick works,  but
> > > the X does not detect the change.
> > 
> > There is a trick to feed X with apparently valid mouse device, install
> > the hotplug package and look in its config.
> Very good hints!  In the hotplug user configure file
> /etc/default/hotplug.usb X11_USBMICE_HACK is set as false by default.
> After it is Changed to true,  now everything is cool.
> 
> By doing that,  the input and mousedev modules get loaded before startx
> even when the usb mouse has not been plugged in.  And X is fooled to
> think the device is there although it is not there yet.

Interesting.  Despite its name, this trick works with gpm too.

I realized when GPM is started without USB mouse and -M option, it
de-activate itself and useless.  With this, GPM works with -M option and
I can plug USB mouse later while my touch pad works all the time :)

> Many thanks to all the replies.

Thanks.
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Re: autofs vs amd: Is there a preference?

[Frank Lenaerts]

on Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 06:45:30PM -0600, Hanasaki JiJi wrote about Re: autofs vs amd: 
 Is there a preference?:
> anyone have a config for amd to automount home dirs?  off redundant 
> hostnames?
> 
> in amd, when fileserver:/exports/[export1] is automounted, the 
> files/dirs in [export1] are accessable but not viewable in a "ls" Any 
> way to change this?

No. This is just how the automounter works. Can you imagine what kind
of a "mount-storm" you would have if someone just used an ls, or tab
completion in the parent directory (in your case /mnt/dir1)? FYI, the
O'Reilly book "Managing NFS and NIS" explains this quite well.

> ex:
>   automount fileserver:/exports/dir1 to
>   /mnt/dir1
>   ls /mnt/dir1 ==> no files shown
>   cd /mnt/dir1/somedir and ls
>   works fine
> 
>   mount fileserver:/exports/dir1 /mnt/dir1
>   ls /mnt/dir1 ==> shows somedir
>   cd /mnt/dir1/somedir and ls
>   works fine
> 
> Alvin Oga wrote:
> >hi ya robert
> >
> >
> >>on Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 12:07:41PM -0500, Robert L. Harris wrote about 
> >>autofs vs amd:  Is there a preference?:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>I'm looking at my automount situation and wondering.  Is one going
> >>>away?  Which is the "way to go" for automounting, amd or autofs?
> >
> >
> >autofs vs amd   is like tinydns vs bind  or  exim vs sendmail
> >( its does it do the minimum you need or is it loaded w/ unused features
> >
> >one thing that both is missing is "multi-homed servers"
> > if www1.foo.com is down, than it uses www2.foo.com or www3.foo.com
> > but at least one can do all that in other tools
> >
> > its more critical for your home/user's servers on your local lan
> >
> >use autofs ... simple answer 
> >
> >c ya
> >alvin
> >
> >
> 
> 

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Re: autofs vs amd: Is there a preference?

[Frank Lenaerts]

on Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 08:52:36PM -0500, Paul Smith wrote about Re: autofs vs amd:  
Is there a preference?:
> %% Regarding Re: autofs vs amd:  Is there a preference?;
> 
>   ao> hi ya robert
> 
>   >> > I'm looking at my automount situation and wondering.  Is one going
>   >> > away?  Which is the "way to go" for automounting, amd or autofs?
> 
>   ao> autofs vs amd is like tinydns vs bind or exim vs sendmail ( its
>   ao> does it do the minimum you need or is it loaded w/ unused features
> 
> ... that is unless you use them.
> 
> Like /net.  Which almost every enterprise environment I've seen makes
> heavy use of.
> 
> Etc.
> 
> 
> I like amd much better, specifically _because_ it's a user-space
> application.  This allows me to control it (with amq), stop and start
> it, etc. much more reliably than autofs, which can easily get wedged and
> since it's in the kernel, what can you do?
> 
> Plus, if you want it, the new version (still in beta) uses the autofs
> kernel support to get the same performance as autofs.

I didn't know there was such a big performance penalty in using amd
versus autofs (it doesn't mean that because autofs is partly kernel
space, that it is by definition twice as fast or so). Anyway, I don't
think most people base their choice of amd versus autofs on a
performance basis. It's more a difference of how both are implemented
internally, especially regarding the so called pwd problem.

> OTOH, my neighbor just enabled autofs on his RH 8 system today after
> weeks of using amd with no problems, and he had hardly started doing
> anything when the kernel oopsed in the autofs code.

Strange, I have been using it for more than a year, without any
problems (these were Debian boxes however;-))

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Re: Starting Navigator while also running Mozilla

[nate]

Oleg said:
> Hi
>
> I'm having difficulty starting Navigator 4.77 while also running Mozilla
> or  Phoenix (0.5 static binary). I'm guessing
> /usr/lib/netscape/base-4/wrapper  that actually starts Navigator on Debian
> detects other browsers running and  merely opens another window of the
> current browser. There is no relevant man  page that I could find. Messing
> with the 500 line wrapper script didn't seem  like a good idea either.

when I need netscape 4 I just run

/usr/lib/netscape/477/communicator/communicator-smotif.real

normal navigator I'm sure has a slightly different path but there is probably
a '.real' binary there which you can run and bypass the wrapper.

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attempt to access beyond end of device

[Mohammed Sameer]

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Yesterday i left the PC running all night, When i woke up i found a bunch of those 
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i had them before while i was doing a "find ./ -name foo" but ignored them, I really 
don't feel comfortable.

Can anyone point me to the right direction ??

Directory sread (sector 0x1ccf0) failed
attempt to access beyond end of device
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USB-Netzwerkkarte beim Anschließen konfigurieren

[Christian Kohlmeyer]

Einen schönen guten Morgen, an die gesamte Newsgroup!
Genug geschleimt ;), jetzt gehts zur Sache.

Ich betreibe an einem Notebook (Mitac 5033) die USB-Netzwerkkarte ausm
Atelco. Die Karte läuft einwandfrei mit dem als 'experimental'-Treiber
ADMtek Pegasus-based Ethernet. Sie wird auch immer korrekt erkannt, wenn
sie angeschlossen wird und der Treiber wird geladen.

Jetzt zu meiner Frage: Kann ich die Konfiguration von eth0 (das ist die
Karte), immer wenn sie angeschlossen wird automatisch ablaufen lassen?
Wenn ja, wie geht das?

Wenn ich die Konfiguration in der '/etc/network/interfaces' mache, dann
wird die Karte nur konfiguriert, wenn sie beim booten eingesteckt ist.

Ich bedanke mich schonmal im voraus für eure Hilfe!

Ciao,

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Re: Hp 840c

[Chris Lale]

Willem-Jan Meijer wrote:

Hello again,

I'm using Debian / KDE 2.2.2 at my desktop for 3 weeks now, and I like it 
very much, except that I can't print. What stuff / wich packages do I have to 
install to get my HP 840c printer at the parallel port working? It runs well 
in Caldera OpenLinux but I don't know how to get it work in Debian.

Look in the peripherals section at http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/

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Re: autofs vs amd: Is there a preference?

[Matus \"fantomas\" Uhlar]

-> on Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 06:45:30PM -0600, Hanasaki JiJi wrote about Re: autofs vs 
amd:  Is there a preference?:
-> > anyone have a config for amd to automount home dirs?  off redundant 
-> > hostnames?
-> > 
-> > in amd, when fileserver:/exports/[export1] is automounted, the 
-> > files/dirs in [export1] are accessable but not viewable in a "ls" Any 
-> > way to change this?

-> No. This is just how the automounter works. Can you imagine what kind
-> of a "mount-storm" you would have if someone just used an ls, or tab
-> completion in the parent directory (in your case /mnt/dir1)? FYI, the
-> O'Reilly book "Managing NFS and NIS" explains this quite well.

OTOH, it is currently not possible to mount a FS without explicitly changing
to nonexistent directory. You can workaround this with symlink that points
to the destination, but in that case never call stat() on that link.

imho, the directory should exist (if it's possible) and stat() should not
cause mount, open and chdir should do. iirc it is in the TODO list for
automounter.

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Re: RAID & EXT2-fs error

[John Schmidt]

On Tuesday 21 January 2003 11:31 pm, Michael Kahle wrote:
> > I am trying to install a Debian testing box with root on RAID
> > 1 following the instructions given at
> > http://karaolides.com/computing/HOWTO/lvmraid/
>
> I am working on setting up a system with this configuration.  I
> decided to work step by step with this howto to get my system
> running.  Thanks for the link.
>
> > Everything
> > works fine until I add the initial install disk into the RAID
> > array (http://karaolides.com/computing/HOWTO/lvmraid/node26.html).
>
> I'm sorry I can't help you with your specific problem, I was hoping
> that I could by working through this howto.  But I'm afraid that I am
> stuck as well.
>
> When I ran vgcreate it seamed to work fine.  However it lists the MAX
> LV Size as being 255.99GB.  This does not make sense with my
> configuration.  I have 5 SCSI disk partitions in a RAID5 array.  Each
> partition is 36446.22mb. My math shows I should have a MAX LV size of
> being 145784.88mb.  By running vgdisplay I show that my VG size is
> 169.71GB.  What am I missing?  How can your MAX LV Size be
> 255.99gb?!?
>
> As soon as I get this ironed out I will report back with my findings.
>  I can't wait to get this thing running.  Neat stuff.
>
> Michael

Hi,

Someone posted a howto they wrote that detailed Root-on-LVM-on-RAID 
HOWTO to debian-user.

I am copying & pasting their post:


I've written a doc on how to install a Debian with root file system over 
LVM and RAID.

If it's of any interest it can be found at this URL:
http://www.midhgard.it/docs/index_en.html

Any suggestion/criticism/correction is welcome.

Massimiliano




This may be of interest.

John


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Re: Recovering /var (package status only)

[Colin Watson]

On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 01:03:00AM -0500, Travis Crump wrote:
> Question about false positives(/usr/share/doc/ directories that don't 
> correspond to a package):  Are they a bug or is there nothing wrong with 
> them?  On my system I have the following false positives:
> 
> debian-reference-en, debian-reference-common: /usr/share/doc/Debian
> doc-linux-text: /usr/share/doc/FAQ
> doc-linux-text: /usr/share/doc/HOWTO
> doc-debian: /usr/share/doc/debian

doc-linux-text and doc-debian are special cases, probably
debian-reference-* too. I tried to formalize the upper-case rule for
doc-linux-* on debian-policy in August 2000, but never got round to
following through on the approving noises I got in response.

> libecasound7: /usr/share/doc/ecasound
> emu-tools: /usr/share/doc/emu-tools-0.9.4
> kpilot, kdebase-doc, korganizer, kdelibs3: /usr/share/doc/kde
> kdebase-doc: /usr/share/doc/kdebase
> e2fsprogs: /usr/share/doc/libcomerr2
> e2fsprogs: /usr/share/doc/libss2
> svgalibg1: /usr/share/doc/svgalib
> tetex-base, tetex-doc: /usr/share/doc/texmf
> libxine-dev: /usr/share/doc/xine

I think those are generally convenience symlinks or the targets of
convenience symlinks ...?

> The only one that would cause 'problems' would be 'kde' which would 
> cause a lot of new stuff to be installed, but no real harm would be done 
> especially since I couldn't find any false negatives.  The first four 
> and kde and kdebase and texmf appear intentional, but the others seem to 
> be cruft left over from when packages changed names.  Should they have 
> been removed by package scripts at some point or were they left there on 
> purpose?

They shouldn't have been removed by package scripts: since they appear
in 'dpkg -S' output, they're still first-class members of the .deb, not
just random directories mkdired by a postinst script at some point. I'm
not sure if they should be removed or not, though.

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Re: restricting command line arguments in sudo

[Stephen Rueger]

On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 08:41:23AM +0100, Alexander Steinert wrote:

[ stupid advice snipped ]
 
> /usr/bin/tail /var/log/[^.]*
> will prevent
> sudo tail /var/log/../../etc/shadow
> but not
> sudo tail /var/log/apache/../../../etc/shadow
> :-(

Hrm, thanks for catching that.
 
> I have no better idea.

Either hardcoding everything in /etc/sudoers or using a wrapper
script/program, it really doesn't look like there's another way.

mfg,

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ssh and tcpwappers

[Johann Spies]

How do I get ssh on debian to use tcpwrappers?

The same configuration that works on Redhat servers - e.g. 
sshd: host.allowed.here

in /etc/hosts.allow

is ignored on my Debian servers. 

I have also tried 

ssh: host.allowed.here

but without any difference in behaviour.

Regards.
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Re: IDE disk corruption - A7M266-D; which kernel patches? or othersolution

[Chris Lale]

Pigeon wrote:

On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 05:53:54PM -0700, Al Davis wrote:


I have since installed Debian, with 2.4.20-bf2.4, and now I 
wonder if it is safe to re-enable DMA.


I have a VIA 82C686 southbridge, and 2.4.20 enables its "VIA
southbridge workaround" when it boots. So presumably the problem has
been addressed to some extent. So far I've had no corruption, but "so
far" is only about a week with this MB.

I only noticed that boot message today; it may therefore be the case
that earlier kernels had a workaround too; but maybe 2.4.20's has been
updated.


I don't know if this is relevant. I have a VIA chipset too. The PC has 
been running happily on a 2.2 kernel with DMA enabled. I upgraded to 
stock Debian kernel 2.4.18-k7 a couple of weeks ago. 'dmesg | grep VIA' 
shows the following boot messages:

PCI: Using IRQ router VIA [1106/0686] at 00:07.0
VP_IDE: VIA vt82c686b (rev 40) IDE UDMA100 controller on pci00:07.1

No sign of any disc corruption. The PC is rebooted several times a day.

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RE: Burning a CD without ide-scsi

[Colin Ellis]

You need to add the following to your lilo.conf:

append="hdd=ide-scsi"

(or whatever hd device your IDE burner is.)

Add this, run lilo, reboot and check the ide-scsi module gets loaded.

This _should_ be all you need to do to get it to work.


Colin Ellis
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To: Phil Reynolds; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Burning a CD without ide-scsi


On Tuesday 21 January 2003 20:39, Phil Reynolds wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 04:26:13PM +, Rus Foster wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > I've always burnt CD's using ide-scsi and xcdroast. However I'm
wondering
> > is there a way I can burn CD's onto my IDE burner without using SCSI
> > emulation?
>
> Not that I know of in Linux. Are you having problems with it or just
> looking for a change?

Well, it happens that I also have problems with ide-scsi
I used to burn CDs perfectly using this emulation on Mandrake and RedHat,
but
after I moved to debain, and enabled IDE SCSI emulation, my USB devices
don't
work (programs aren't able to detect USB devices), while it used they used
to
work before the emulation was enabled. I also wonder if there is a way to
burn CDs without IDE SCSI emulation.
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Re: USB-Netzwerkkarte beim Anschließen konfigurieren

[Joerg Johannes]

An Christian:
Das hier ist die englische debian-user-Liste, die besten Ergebnisse erzielt 
man also mit enlglischen Anfragen. 
Nur mal so eine Idee: apt-cache show hotplug
Description: Linux Hotplug Scripts
 This package contains the scripts necessary for hotplug Linux support,
 and lets you plug in new devices and use them immediately.
 Initially, it includes support for USB and PCI (Cardbus) devices,
 and can automatically configure network interfaces.
Lohnt sich vielleicht, die Dokumentation durchzulesen.

To the list:
Christian needs help with automatic configuration of an USB-network card. The 
card works with the 'experimental' driver from ADMtek Pegasus-based Ethernet. 
The card is recognized when plugged isn, and the driver module gets loaded. 
Only the configuration of eth0 has to be done manually. He would like to know 
if there is a way to let this configuration be done automatically.
If the configuration data is written in '/etc/network/interfaces', the card 
is only configured when plugged in at boot-time.

I have already pointed him towards the hotplug package which, from the 
description, seems to be what he wants.

joerg


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renew expired certificate

[Alexander Steinert]

Hi all,

on a machine a self-signed certificate expired recently. It was created
via mod-ssl-makecert (according to
/usr/doc/libapache-mod-ssl-doc/README.Debian.gz).

After googl'ing and reading HOWTOs I still don't know how to to renew it
(it shall have a new expiration date). For example, I tried
# openssl ca -ss_cert /etc/apache/ssl.crt/server.crt -days 1000
./demoCA/private/cakey.pem: No such file or directory

So it looks as if openssl is looking for a CA which doesn't exist. I
assume that my certificate has been created without a CA, just using my
text inputs for the issuer data.

How can I renew my certificate? (Note: I'm not interested in a new
certificate, but want to prolong the existing one.)

TIA

Stony


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darn - nasty pango problems...

[Roman Joost]

I get some nasty pango and libgtk problems after upgrading:

Setting up libgtk2.0-common (2.2.0-2) ...
Updating the IM modules list for GTK+-2.2.0.../usr/bin/gtk-query-immodules-2.0: 
relocation error: /usr/bin/gtk-query-immodules-2.0: undefined symbol: g_printf
dpkg: error processing libgtk2.0-common (--configure):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 127
Setting up libpango1.0-common (1.2.0-3) ...
Updating the modules list for Pango-1.2.0.../usr/bin/pango-querymodules: relocation 
error: /usr/bin/pango-querymodules: undefined symbol: g_printf
dpkg: error processing libpango1.0-common (--configure):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 127

Is there a way to get this working? I figured out, that the new gcc-3.2 wont
link some problems properly (e.g. mplayer). Is there a new linker available and i 
didn't installed it? Maybe this is the error? 

Thanks for your any ideas ...

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Re: Lilo warning causing problems

[Felipe Martínez Hermo]

El Tuesday 21 January 2003 13:19, Seneca escribió:
> On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 12:44:41PM +0100, Felipe Mart?nez Hermo wrote:
> > I have just installed a new Debain box and configured a new
> > kernel. I run Lilo and it says:
> >
> > Warning: Int 0x13 function 8 and function 0x48 return different
> > head/sector geometries for BIOS drive 0x80 (also for drive 0x81)
> >
> >
> > It installs correctly the boot sector, but when I try to boot
> > with my new kernel, after the first kernel messages it reboots
> > again and again and again
>
> For information about the LILO message, take a look at this:
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/debian-user-200205/msg03669.html
>
> What do the kernel messages say before it reboots?


Finally it was the kernel version. It was 2.4.18. Not it works fine with 
2.4.20

Thank you to all of you


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RTCW on debian

[Alexey Chetroi]

 Dear All,

 Is anybody running return to castle wolf. linux binaries on debian?
I'm having problem launching single player game, after start I just
see black square and nothing else. Console stops after:
...loading 'scripts/ui.shader'
...loading 'scripts/ui_hud.shader'
...loading 'scripts/ui_notebook.shader'
...loading 'scripts/ui_wolf.shader'
...loading 'scripts/viewflames.shader'
...loading 'scripts/walls.shader'
...loading 'scripts/z_light.shader'
- finished R_Init -
^3WARNING: R_FindImageFile could not find 'ui/assets/SMOKE-16bit.tga' in shader 
'console'
^3Shader console has a stage with no image
^3WARNING: R_FindImageFile could not find 'ui/assets/wolficonback4.tga' in shader 
'console2'
^3Shader console2 has a stage with no image

--- sound initialization ---

[lex.lexa]$ ps
  PID TTY  TIME CMD
23850 pts/200:00:00 bash
24806 pts/200:00:01 wolfsp.x86
25377 pts/200:00:00 ps
[lex.lexa]$ kill 24806
[lex.lexa]$ Received signal 15, exiting...

 Multiplayer runs normally, I'm able to create server and play on it.
I'm running woody with nvidia's driver 4191 version

 Any help would be apreciated.

PS: I've copied mp_pak[012].pk3, sp_pak[12].pk3 and pak0.pk3 from the win32
install

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Re: ssh and tcpwappers

[Markus Wutzke]

On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 12:25:04PM +0200, Johann Spies wrote:
> sshd: host.allowed.here

Should work. 

Check if sshd has TCP Wrapper support.

ldd /usr/sbin/sshd 

should list 

libwrap.so.0 => /lib/libwrap.so.0 (0x40018000)

If you build OpenSSH from scratch, use --with-tcpwrappers to enable it.

What message do you get in /var/log/messages if you connect to your machine?

Maybe there is a DENY rule in /etc/hosts.allow which matches before the 
sshd rule.

Regards
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Re: ssh and tcpwappers

[Markus Wutzke]

On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 12:25:04PM +0200, Johann Spies wrote:
> sshd: host.allowed.here

Should work. 

Check if sshd has TCP Wrapper support.

ldd /usr/sbin/sshd 

should list 

libwrap.so.0 => /lib/libwrap.so.0 (0x40018000)

If you build OpenSSH from scratch, use --with-tcpwrappers to enable it.

What message do you get in /var/log/messages if you connect to your machine?

Maybe there is a DENY rule in /etc/hosts.allow which matches before the 
sshd rule.

Regards
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Re: ssh and tcpwappers(solved)

[Johann Spies]

On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 01:20:33PM +0100, Markus Wutzke wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 12:25:04PM +0200, Johann Spies wrote:
> > sshd: host.allowed.here
> 
> Should work. 
> 
> Check if sshd has TCP Wrapper support.
> 
>   ldd /usr/sbin/sshd 
> 
> should list 
> 
> libwrap.so.0 => /lib/libwrap.so.0 (0x40018000)
> 

Yes, it does have libwrap compiled in.  It is the standard debian
package.

> 
> Maybe there is a DENY rule in /etc/hosts.allow which matches before the 
> sshd rule.

For some reason tye content of /etc/hosts.deny on both woody servers was

ALL: PARANOID

after changing it to 

ALL: ALL 
or
ALL: ALL@ALL, PARANOID # like on my sarge desktop

everthing works as it should.

Thanks.  Your message helped me to look at  /etc/deny again.

Regards.
Johann
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Re: RTCW on debian

[Jamin W. Collins]

On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 02:14:18PM +0200, Alexey Chetroi wrote:

> Is anybody running return to castle wolf. linux binaries on debian?

Yep, runs fine here.  Wish I could be of more help.

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Re: autofs vs amd: Is there a preference?

[Miquel van Smoorenburg]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Michael Heironimus  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 12:07:41PM -0500, Robert L. Harris wrote:
>> I'm looking at my automount situation and wondering.  Is one going
>> away?  Which is the "way to go" for automounting, amd or autofs?
>
>I think that autofs is currently the preferred method. Whether or not
>you choose to agree with the preferred method is up to you, for example
>knfsd seems to be the preferred NFS server these days and I've had fewer
>problems with the old userland server.

Well, since 2.4.17 or so, knfsd is actually a lot better than the
old userland server. It's faster, and it actually handles renames
etc right. With the userlevel NFS server, I could not run
dpkg-buildpackage in an NFS mounted directory, the NFS server
always choked on the renames.

Mike.
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Re: USB-Netzwerkkarte beim Anschließen konfigurieren

[Christian Kohlmeyer]

Thank you for your help!
It was exactly, what I searched.

Sorry, that I wrote in german language in an english newsgroup.

Have a nice day.


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Do all mirrors in mirrors_full contain all distributions?

[Lloyd Zusman]

I'm trying to understand the use of the `mirrors_full' file in the
`netselect-apt' utility, and I realize that there's a gap in my
knowledge.  I couldn't locate the information to fill this gap in any
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Is each and every site listed in the `packages over HTTP:' lines in
`mirrors_full' guaranteed to contain all distributions (`stable',
`testing', `unstable', etc.), or do certain sites only contain a subset
of these distributions?

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Re: Hp 840c

[Jason M. Harvey]

On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 09:32:16AM +, Chris Lale wrote:
| Willem-Jan Meijer wrote:
| >Hello again,
| >
| >I'm using Debian / KDE 2.2.2 at my desktop for 3 weeks now, and I like it 
| >very much, except that I can't print. What stuff / wich packages do I have 
| >to install to get my HP 840c printer at the parallel port working? It runs 
| >well in Caldera OpenLinux but I don't know how to get it work in Debian.
| 
| Look in the peripherals section at http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/
| 
| Cheers,
| -- 
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| 

i've gotten my hp 842c to work (parallel, not usb) with lpd and cups.
i had a hard time with lpd tho, and suggest cups.

i got the following from an "apt-cache search cups":

cupsys - Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - server
cupsys-client - Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - client programs (SysV)
kdelibs3-cups - KDE print system (CUPS support)
libcupsys2 - Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - libs
libqtcups2 - Qt interface library for CUPS
qtcups - Qt front-end for CUPS.

i cut out some i didn't use. i remember installing qtcups - but i never
used it. sounds like it might be good for you. cups is cool 'cause it
supports the hp deskjet's nicely. the server has a web interface on a
port number that i fogot... if you have a web server running you can
point your browser to http://localhost: and configure the
printer right there. it even prints full-color test pages!

good luck,
jason

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Re: Installing Debian on an iPAQ

[Darryl L. Pierce]

On 2003.01.21 17:56 David Z Maze wrote:

"Darryl L. Pierce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Anybody have experience doing this? Can anybody point me to some
> information on doing so?

Back when I was playing with one, general advice was that you only
wanted to try to put Debian on it if you had a lot of persistent
storage.  The Familiar distribution was sort of like Debian, and its
package manager could install ARM .deb packages if need be.  At any
rate, the place to go is probably http://www.handhelds.org/.


Those instructions are perfect except for one flaw: I have no way of 
connecting to my device via serial since it's a USB cradle. :(

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Linux partition question

[debian parisc]

Hello,

although I've been reading this list for a few months now I haven't actually 
installed in on a i386 pc (although I have installed it on a HP Unix server 
- well smooth).  I'm now read to install on my home PC, to ensure that my 
wife doesn't divorce me I need to make sure that I get it right.  I'm going 
to resize my windows98 partition to free up 10GB on which I will put 2 
logical partition of 5GB each (i'll probably run stable on one and testing 
on the other or maybe woody and mandrake).  I'm going to use Partition Magic 
7 to resize it. Having looked at the instructions on Powerquest's site it 
says this

"IMPORTANT!  In most cases, the Windows partition and the Linux Ext2 
partition must start below the 8 GB boundary to be bootable. However, if 
your system supports INT13 extensions, then Windows XP/2000, Windows Me, and 
some Linux distributions can boot beyond the 8 GB boundary. Check your 
system documentation to determine if your machine supports INT13 
extensions."

Does that mean that if my Linux partitions are first I can't boot windows98? 
or if I put Windows first (10GB) I won't be able to boot linux? and what is 
INT13?

regards

Leo

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umount hdb?

[Nori Heikkinen]

i seem to have screwed something up.

i made a mount point for (the home partition of) my second hard drive,
/mnt/mikan, added it to /etc/fstab, and mounted it.

all was well.

now i decide to move /mnt/mikan to /.  i do so.

i get many errors.

now /mikan has some of the files it should have, but mostly not.
/mnt/mikan has nothing.  i've since trashed the latter.

(yes, i should have umounted first!)

now i can't umount anything:

orange:~# umount /mnt/mikan
error writing /etc/mtab.tmp: No space left on device
orange:~# umount /mikan
error writing /etc/mtab.tmp: No space left on device
orange:~# umount /dev/hdb7
error writing /etc/mtab.tmp: No space left on device

orange:~# df -h
FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda5  93M   93M 0 100% /
/dev/hda1  29M  2.1M   25M   8% /boot
/dev/hda6 6.0G  1.8G  3.8G  32% /usr
/dev/hda7  30G   28G  1.2G  96% /home
/dev/hda8 465M  405M   36M  92% /var
/dev/hda9 465M   17k  440M   1% /tmp
/dev/hdb7  93M   93M 0 100% /mnt/mikan

how do i get the drive to unmount?  i'm confused ...

thanks!



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Re: exim4 sources

[Miquel van Smoorenburg]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Derrick 'dman' Hudson  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 03:18:44PM -0500, David H. Clymer wrote:
>
>| Is exim4 included in testing or unstable packages?
>
>No, unfortunately.  The maintainer is really behind on that package --
>exim4 has been stable at least as long as woody (IIRC).

There's an exim-4.10 package on
ftp://ftp.cistron.nl/pub/people/miquels/debian/cistron/

It has been built without LDAP and SQL support though, since I
don't need it. And remember exim v3 and v4 have a completely
different syntax for the config file, and this package does
nothing to try to convert the old config file to the new format.

Which is probably the main problem for the real maintainer as well.

Perhaps somewhere in the next few weeks I'll upgrade it to 4.12

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Galeon snapshot and file download

[Pat Colbeck]

Hi

I have installed galeon snapshot on my Sid box and its very pretty.
Unfortunately whenever I try to download a file it pops up the box to
choose where the file gets saved and whatever I do it errors with:

a folder was chosen when a file was expected

And wont download

Thanks

Pat


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Cannot open SCSI driver

[Marcelo Chiapparini]

Hello!

I am running woody and I have a cdrom and a cdwriter. I want to write 
cds using the cdwriter reading from the cdrom. Both are ATAPI devices, 
so I have compiled the kernel, 2.4.18, with the following options:

a) scsi generic support enabled
b) scsi cdrom support enabled
c) ATAPI cdrom support disabled

At boot time, the scsi support is started as we can see from the dmesg 
output:

hda: ST320413A, ATA DISK drive
hdc: CREATIVE CD5233E, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
hdd: Hewlett-Packard CD-Writer Plus 9500b, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive

SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00
scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices
  Vendor: CREATIVE  Model:  CD5233E  Rev: 2.02
  Type:   CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
  Vendor: HPModel: CD-Writer+ 9500b  Rev: 1.06
  Type:   CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
Attached scsi CD-ROM sr1 at scsi0, channel 0, id 1, lun 0
sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 8x/56x cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12
sr1: scsi3-mmc drive: 31x/32x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray


So, I have the following scsi map:

adapter device channel id lun
CD5233E CD-ROM   scsi0   sr0 0  0   0
HP CD-Writerscsi0   sr1 0  1   0


In the lilo.conf file I have the line 
append = "hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi max_scsi_luns=1"


Apparently everything works fine, I can listen music with the cdrom and 
edit and copy files from the cdrom and cdwriter to the hd.

But when I run cdrecord with the -scanbus option I get the message:

nostromo:/home/chiappa# cdrecord -scanbus
Cdrecord 1.10 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2001 Jörg Schilling
cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open SCSI driver.

thus, cdrecord cannot find the SCSI driver (scsi0?). But the scsi drive 
is readed during the boot process, as can be seen from the dmesg output 
above.

What is going wrong? Any help will be very appreciated!

Marcelo

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cups foomatic problem

[Thomas H. George,,,]

My system is Debian Testing with a 2.4.20 kernel.  An Epson Stylus Color 
printer is on usblp0.

I used apt-get install to install cupsys, cupsomatic-ppd and 
foomatic-bin.  Three drivers were listed for the printer.  I tried each 
in turn with the commands

   lpadmin -p lp -E -v usb:/dev/usblp0 -m "one of the 860 drivers"
   lp testtext

In all three cases nothing was printed.  The attachment is a segment of 
error_log.

Background:  A year ago I purchased the CUPS Manual with CD.  The 
printer worked perfectly with the CD software.  Recently I installed 
KDE.  The printer worked from the terminals but not from KDE.  Then I 
installed the Debian packages as described above.  The printer no longer 
responds even to the command line.

I have a second system running Debian Woody with a 2.4.18 kernel and a 
Brother HL-730 laser printer on /dev/lp0.  When I installed the Debian 
releases on this system everything work immediately.  I can print from 
the command line, from the KDE Printing Manager test and from Star Office.

I would appreciate any suggestions to get the testing system running.
D [22/Jan/2003:08:16:59 -0500] foomatic-gswrapper: gs '@stc740pl.upp' '-dBATCH' 
'-dSAFER' '-dQUIET' '-dNOPAUSE' '-sOutputFile=/dev/fd/3' '/dev/fd/0' 3>&1 1>&2
D [22/Jan/2003:08:16:59 -0500] Unable to open command line file stc740pl.upp
D [22/Jan/2003:08:16:59 -0500] Couldn't exec foomatic-gswrapper @stc740pl.upp -q 
-dBATCH -dSAFER -dQUIET -dNOPAUSE  -sOutputFile=- - at /usr/lib/cups/filter/cupsomatic 
line 1018.
D [22/Jan/2003:08:16:59 -0500] tail process done writing data to *main::STDOUT
D [22/Jan/2003:08:16:59 -0500] KID4 finished
D [22/Jan/2003:08:16:59 -0500] Main process finished
D [22/Jan/2003:08:16:59 -0500] UpdateJob: job 56, file 0 is complete.
D [22/Jan/2003:08:16:59 -0500] CancelJob: id = 56
D [22/Jan/2003:08:16:59 -0500] StopJob: id = 56, force = 0
D [22/Jan/2003:08:16:59 -0500] StopJob: printer state is 3

I'm a -- MARK --'ed user.

[Narins, Josh]

I know I had help figuring this out a couple years ago, but I don't
remember, and it's impossible to google (the dashes are stripped if you
try).

On my console, on a woody 486, I see, regularly...

-- MARK --
[ 30 or so seconds pass]
-- MARK --

And I am quite sure I do not like feeling like a -- MARK --'ed person.

Help? 

Thx In Advancia

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Re: Burning a CD without ide-scsi

[Aryan Ameri]

On Wednesday 22 January 2003 14:02, Colin Ellis wrote:
> You need to add the following to your lilo.conf:
>
> append="hdd=ide-scsi"
>
> (or whatever hd device your IDE burner is.)
>
> Add this, run lilo, reboot and check the ide-scsi module gets loaded.
>
> This _should_ be all you need to do to get it to work.

Maybe I didn't clear my self.
I have done the above, and I can burn CDs indeed, but after adding the 
following line to lilo.conf, the USB devices doesn't work.

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Re: attempt to access beyond end of device

[Shaul Karl]

> 
> Hi all,
> Yesterday i left the PC running all night, When i woke up i found a bunch of those 
>messages in my console
> i had them before while i was doing a "find ./ -name foo" but ignored them, I really 
>don't feel comfortable.
> 
> Can anyone point me to the right direction ??
> 


  I don't know if this is the right direction or not: I *believe* I had
a similar problem and it has something to do with the interpretation of
the cylinders, heads, sectors of the disk. I am not sure about this at
all. The LDP's large disk howto might give some more information about
the cylinders, heads, sectors issue.


> Directory sread (sector 0x1ccf0) failed
> attempt to access beyond end of device
> 03:05: rw=0, want=59000, limit=8001
> Directory sread (sector 0x1ccf0) failed
> attempt to access beyond end of device
> 03:05: rw=0, want=59000, limit=8001
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RE: Can't get sound to work (CMIxxxx)

[Jay]

Thanks Bob, I'll try that...

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~At least some of the Debian kernel-image packages (I run
~kernel-image-2.4.20-686) already contain many of the CMI drivers, so
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NGPT and "Classic" Threating

[Philipp]

Dear Debian Users,
 
 
i think i am forced to install NGPT (Next 
Generation Posix Threating)
on one of our servers, because i am missing 
performance and
i hope that will solve the problem. Now i have a 
couple of questions:
 
 
1) I cannot find a package NGPT. i am using debian 
woody
at the moment. i found the project NGPT 
mentioned at the 
debian page 
reporting that it is in preparation for nearly a
year...
 
2) If i install from source, NGPT will probably 
overwrite the
actually installed threating library. if something 
goes wrong,
what is the name of the package i need to reinstall 
to have
my old Threating Library back ?
 
3) I dont think its possible to deinstall the old 
threating package
first because of dependencies. how can i (with apt 
or dselct, or
whatever) force a reinstall of a specific package 
?
 
 
If you can answer one or all of there question it 
would really help
me.
 
 
Thank you in advance,
Philipp
 

Re: Linux partition question

[Gee Law]

Hi,

Debian (and don't see why other distros can't) can boot beyond the 8GB 
boundary. I have a 20GB NTFS partiton as my first, then the linux 
partitions come after that (/boot, /, /home, swap).

My motherboard (Intel/Dell LX) doesn't support booting past 8GB/large 
hard drives IIRC. A Promise Ultra100TX2 sorted that out.

As long as your PC (i.e. BIOS) is relatively recent it should work (2-3 
years?) Mine is from '97. Consult the documentation for the 
motherboard. Search Google Groups.

INT13 is a BIOS extension thing. I think it's discussed in the Large 
Disk HOWTO or something like that.

Gee.

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On 2003.01.22 14:51 debian parisc wrote:
...
"IMPORTANT!  In most cases, the Windows partition and the Linux Ext2 
partition must start below the 8 GB boundary to be bootable. However, 
if your system supports INT13 extensions, then Windows XP/2000, 
Windows Me, and some Linux distributions can boot beyond the 8 GB 
boundary. Check your system documentation to determine if your 
machine supports INT13 extensions."

Does that mean that if my Linux partitions are first I can't boot 
windows98? or if I put Windows first (10GB) I won't be able to boot 
linux? and what is INT13?
...
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Re: Linux partition question

[Donald Spoon]

debian parisc wrote:

Hello,

although I've been reading this list for a few months now I haven't 
actually installed in on a i386 pc (although I have installed it on a HP 
Unix server - well smooth).  I'm now read to install on my home PC, to 
ensure that my wife doesn't divorce me I need to make sure that I get it 
right.  I'm going to resize my windows98 partition to free up 10GB on 
which I will put 2 logical partition of 5GB each (i'll probably run 
stable on one and testing on the other or maybe woody and mandrake).  
I'm going to use Partition Magic 7 to resize it. Having looked at the 
instructions on Powerquest's site it says this

"IMPORTANT!  In most cases, the Windows partition and the Linux Ext2 
partition must start below the 8 GB boundary to be bootable. However, if 
your system supports INT13 extensions, then Windows XP/2000, Windows Me, 
and some Linux distributions can boot beyond the 8 GB boundary. Check 
your system documentation to determine if your machine supports INT13 
extensions."

Does that mean that if my Linux partitions are first I can't boot 
windows98? or if I put Windows first (10GB) I won't be able to boot 
linux? and what is INT13?

regards

Leo


The Windows 98 partition(s) should be first.  Linux (Debian) doesn't 
care where it resides with the newer versions of LILO available in 
Debian Woody, but some Windows versions seem to be quite particular.  If 
you use a boot loader like LILO or GRUB, you will be able to boot into 
either Windows or Linux.

You should take into considertion that you can only have 4 "primary" 
partitions on a HD.  You should have at least one "swap" partition for 
your Linux installs.  It can be shared between the two installs.  Check 
and see if your Windows install is using more than one "primary" 
partition.  If it is, then your plan will probably not work. 
Linux/Debian works OK when placed on "extended" partitions, so that is a 
way out.. if you need it.

Partition Magic after version 4.0 works great.  I have used it here to 
resize and create Linux partitions many times.





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problems with CDRW drive mounting CD-data

[Matthew Weier O'Phinney]

So my *newest* machine's motherboard died over the weekend, and I'm
trying to cannibalize it to make my old machine a bit better. Among the
things I've done is to take the 52x24x52 CD-RW drive, DVDROM drive, and
hard drive out and place them in my old machine. Current setup is:

Primary IDE Controller:
Primary drive: DVDROM Drive
Secondary drive: CD-RW Drive
Secondary IDE Controller:
Primary drive: original 30GB HD
Secondary drive: new 40GB HD

When I originally set up this computer, I couldn't get the CDRW that
was in it -- now long gone -- to work on ide1, so I threw my HD there.
Due to cable lengths, BIOS setup problems, and difficulties reaching
jumpers, this was the working configuration I ended up with.

On boot up, I have the following lines in my /etc/modules file:
ide-cd ignore=/dev/hdb
ide-scsi

This sets up the DVDROM drive to be an ide-cd drive and the CD-RW to
utilize ide-scsi (so I can burn CDs). 

The DVDROM drive works perfectly (minus the DVD playback -- I need to
get the dxr3 DVD decoder card working, but that's on my todo list). 

The CD-RW drive burns perfectly. However, when I try to mount a disc, it
causes errors, and goes into a kernel panic, requiring a hard reboot.
Basically, it spins as fast as it can, the system is immediately locked,
and the kernel panic happens within seconds.

My /etc/fstab entries for them look like:
# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#   
 
/dev/cdrom  /cdrom  iso9660 defaults,ro,user,noauto
 0   0
/dev/dvdrom /dvdrom iso9660 defaults,ro,user,noauto
 0   0

/dev/cdrom *was* symlinked to /dev/sr0, which is in turn symlinked to
/dev/scd0. I just re-symlinked /dev/cdrom to /dev/scd0, but haven't
tested that yet (I suspect there will be no change -- but I wanted to
*use* my computer today, and not go through another cycle of fs checks).

Unfortunately, I haven't been able to write down the errors I see when
the kernel panic occurs -- I *think* they may mention something about
DMA. I haven't set DMA on /dev/hdb (I *have* on /dev/hda), but it's
possible that the BIOS is turning it on.

Any ideas on how to get the drive to mount CDs so I can use it in that
capacity?

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Re: umount hdb?

[Mike Dresser]

On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Nori Heikkinen wrote:

> orange:~# df -h
> FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
> /dev/hda5  93M   93M 0 100% /

Free up some space on your / partition, and you should be closer to your
goals.


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RE: umount hdb?

[Colin Ellis]

eek!

You ran out of room on /dev/hda5!

It's probably best to do a rescue boot and move some of your /tmp space to /
and /var (this looks too small).  It's the easiest option but not ideal.

Colin Ellis
Solution City Ltd
http://www.solution-city.com


-Original Message-
From: Nori Heikkinen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 22 January 2003 14:56
To: debian-user
Subject: umount hdb?


i seem to have screwed something up.

i made a mount point for (the home partition of) my second hard drive,
/mnt/mikan, added it to /etc/fstab, and mounted it.

all was well.

now i decide to move /mnt/mikan to /.  i do so.

i get many errors.

now /mikan has some of the files it should have, but mostly not.
/mnt/mikan has nothing.  i've since trashed the latter.

(yes, i should have umounted first!)

now i can't umount anything:

orange:~# umount /mnt/mikan
error writing /etc/mtab.tmp: No space left on device
orange:~# umount /mikan
error writing /etc/mtab.tmp: No space left on device
orange:~# umount /dev/hdb7
error writing /etc/mtab.tmp: No space left on device

orange:~# df -h
FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda5  93M   93M 0 100% /
/dev/hda1  29M  2.1M   25M   8% /boot
/dev/hda6 6.0G  1.8G  3.8G  32% /usr
/dev/hda7  30G   28G  1.2G  96% /home
/dev/hda8 465M  405M   36M  92% /var
/dev/hda9 465M   17k  440M   1% /tmp
/dev/hdb7  93M   93M 0 100% /mnt/mikan

how do i get the drive to unmount?  i'm confused ...

thanks!



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Re: Galeon snapshot and file download

[Gee Law]

this came up on the gtk-gnome list. iirc there's nothing you can do, 
save compiling your own from cvs. you just gotta wait for the next 
snapshot. the latest mozilla-snapshot is very pretty (xft!!)

gee.
__
nobody's perfect
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On 2003.01.22 15:11 Pat Colbeck wrote:
Hi

I have installed galeon snapshot on my Sid box and its very pretty.
Unfortunately whenever I try to download a file it pops up the box to
choose where the file gets saved and whatever I do it errors with:

a folder was chosen when a file was expected

And wont download

Thanks

Pat


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RE: minimal impact kernel upgrade

[Narins, Josh]

> On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 05:20:25PM +, Simon Tod wrote:
> > The current kernel I'm using on my laptop - "unname -r" gives just
> > 2.4.19 without any extensions (?) - doesn't support APM. 
> Are you sure? :-)
> > All I'm really interested in doing is and "apt-get install
> > kernel-image-2.4.19-686" and following the instructions... 
> BUT how can
> > I do this without screwing up all the stuff that works already like
> > the sound, pcmcia modem, cdrw, etc. - don't know how this lot was
> > configured in the first place as I didn't do the initial install.
> > Thanks in advance...

Sounds like you want to dig up a copy of the current kernel .config, and
have it as a reference.
If you have it, I'd recommend learning the debian way to make kernel
packages, which can be learned with man make-kpkg, but boils down to
unpacking the kernel source, then make-kpkg --revision your1 kernel-image
(or, if you want the whole kit & caboodle, change kernel-image to binary)

it's fun



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Re: OT: functional languages

[Eric E Moore]

"Eric G. Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> The C and Scheme functions are essentially identical.  

Well, one important difference is that the scheme standard requires
that the language support an infinite number of tail calls.

(define (countdown x)
  (cond 
   ((<= 0 x)
(write x) (newline)
(countdown (- x 1)

will work fine when called as (countdown 100), the equivalent C
version might well exhaust the stack.

> In C, statements are executed in order.  I'm not too up on
> functional languages, but I seem to recall they need special syntax
> to execute statements sequentially.

Not really.  top level forms in a scheme program are executed
sequentially, and there's a number of forms that execute their
statements sequentially.  I'm not up on haskell, or other "pure"
functional languages though :)

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Re: Linux partition question

[Jeffrey L. Taylor]

Quoting debian parisc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hello,
> 
> although I've been reading this list for a few months now I haven't 
> actually installed in on a i386 pc (although I have installed it on a HP 
> Unix server - well smooth).  I'm now read to install on my home PC, to 
> ensure that my wife doesn't divorce me I need to make sure that I get it 
> right.  I'm going to resize my windows98 partition to free up 10GB on which 
> I will put 2 logical partition of 5GB each (i'll probably run stable on one 
> and testing on the other or maybe woody and mandrake).  I'm going to use 
> Partition Magic 7 to resize it. Having looked at the instructions on 
> Powerquest's site it says this
> 
> "IMPORTANT!  In most cases, the Windows partition and the Linux Ext2 
> partition must start below the 8 GB boundary to be bootable. However, if 
> your system supports INT13 extensions, then Windows XP/2000, Windows Me, 
> and some Linux distributions can boot beyond the 8 GB boundary. Check your 
> system documentation to determine if your machine supports INT13 
> extensions."
> 
> Does that mean that if my Linux partitions are first I can't boot 
> windows98? or if I put Windows first (10GB) I won't be able to boot linux? 
> and what is INT13?

Yes, this is essentially what this means, because you have Win98.
Your choices are:

1) Make sure that your system supports the BIOS INT13 extensions (able
to boot from cylinders beyond 1024) and upgrade to Windows XP/2000.

2) Split your disk into multiple partitions such that Win98's C: drive
and /boot partitions for the Linuxes all start below cylinder 1024.
The D: partition and the Linux root partitions ("/") can start above
this.  This is a pain because you probably will need to re-install
several large apps in the D: partition.

3) Buy another disk and put the Linuxes on it.  A boot manager in
installed in the MBR of the first HD.  It allows you to select which
OS to boot.  Boot floppies for each Linux allows you to leave Win98 on
the 1st HD undisturbed.

Given the price of HDs, the price of Partition Magic, and the hidden
cost of messing up, I'd go with option 3.  Or go buy a new or used box
to play with and totally leave your wife's computer environment alone.
This is what we settled on.

There are probably other options besides these three (running VMware
comes to mind).

HTH,
  Jeffrey


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dependency troubles in sid

[James Hughes]

Hi,

I can't install  or remove any packages with apt-get. Installing
produces errors along the lines of the following:

Reading changelogs... Done
(Reading database ... 74553 files and directories currently
installed.)
Preparing to replace gftp-gtk 2.0.13-1 (using
.../gftp-gtk_2.0.14-1_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement gftp-gtk ...
dpkg: error processing
/var/cache/apt/archives/gftp-gtk_2.0.14-1_i386.deb (--unpack):
 trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/menu/gftp', which is also in package
 gftp-common
dpkg: regarding .../gftp-common_2.0.14-1_i386.deb containing
gftp-common:
 gftp-common conflicts with gftp-gtk (<< 2.0.14-1)
  gftp-gtk (version 2.0.13-1) is installed.
dpkg: error processing
/var/cache/apt/archives/gftp-common_2.0.14-1_i386.deb (--unpack):
 conflicting packages - not installing gftp-common
Preparing to replace xlibs 4.2.1-1 (using .../xlibs_4.2.1-4_i386.deb)
...
Unpacking replacement xlibs ...
dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs_4.2.1-4_i386.deb
(--unpack):
 trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults', which is also
 in package dialdcost
Errors were encountered while processing:
 /var/cache/apt/archives/gftp-gtk_2.0.14-1_i386.deb
 /var/cache/apt/archives/gftp-common_2.0.14-1_i386.deb
 /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs_4.2.1-4_i386.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

Any ideas how to escape from this mess?

Thanks,

James 


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Re: Cannot open SCSI driver

[Gee Law]

google is your friend!

http://www.google.com/search?q=Cannot+open+SCSI+driver&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0

a couple of interesting threads described similar problems. from what i 
gather from a quick peek, it's a symlink issue.

this is what my setup looks like:
gee@debian:~$ ls -l /dev/cdrecorder /dev/cdrom
lrwxrwxrwx1 root root9 2002-11-15 22:48 
/dev/cdrecorder -> /dev/scd0
lrwxrwxrwx1 root root9 2002-11-15 22:48 /dev/cdrom 
-> /dev/scd1

gee.

On 2003.01.22 15:05 Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:
Hello!

I am running woody and I have a cdrom and a cdwriter. I want to write 
cds using the cdwriter reading from the cdrom. Both are ATAPI 
devices, so I have compiled the kernel, 2.4.18, with the following 
options:

a) scsi generic support enabled
b) scsi cdrom support enabled
c) ATAPI cdrom support disabled

At boot time, the scsi support is started as we can see from the 
dmesg output:

hda: ST320413A, ATA DISK drive
hdc: CREATIVE CD5233E, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
hdd: Hewlett-Packard CD-Writer Plus 9500b, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive

SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00
scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices
  Vendor: CREATIVE  Model:  CD5233E  Rev: 2.02
  Type:   CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
  Vendor: HPModel: CD-Writer+ 9500b  Rev: 1.06
  Type:   CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
Attached scsi CD-ROM sr1 at scsi0, channel 0, id 1, lun 0
sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 8x/56x cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12
sr1: scsi3-mmc drive: 31x/32x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray


So, I have the following scsi map:

adapter device channel id lun
CD5233E CD-ROM   scsi0   sr0 0  0   0
HP CD-Writerscsi0   sr1 0  1   0


In the lilo.conf file I have the line append = "hdc=ide-scsi 
hdd=ide-scsi max_scsi_luns=1"


Apparently everything works fine, I can listen music with the cdrom 
and edit and copy files from the cdrom and cdwriter to the hd.

But when I run cdrecord with the -scanbus option I get the message:

nostromo:/home/chiappa# cdrecord -scanbus
Cdrecord 1.10 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2001 Jörg 
Schilling
cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open SCSI driver.

thus, cdrecord cannot find the SCSI driver (scsi0?). But the scsi 
drive is readed during the boot process, as can be seen from the 
dmesg output above.

What is going wrong? Any help will be very appreciated!

Marcelo

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Re: laptop environment detection

[Thomas Hood]

> I've looked at switchconf, whereami, netenv, guessnet, intuitively,
> divine, laptop-net, and laptop-netconf (are there any others).
...

What is needed is a program that
* triggers on events (perhaps including a timer) to do 
  location redetection
* Detects the current location
* Modifies the configuration accordingly
and
* It should do all this without requiring the user to
  hand-craft too many configuration files and scripts

Any of the packages you mentioned could be improved to do all
these things, but none of them currently does them all.

netenv and switchconf look like manual file-switching utilities.

intuitively (which replaces divine) does file-switching based
on automatic detection of networks:
  Sends out ARP (address resolution protocol)
  requests and, depending on who answers, it
  configures the network  interface and default
  route.  It also links the files in
  /etc/intuitively/NETWORK into your root hierarchy

guessnet does the same thing, but does it by enhancing ifup.
(guessnet is a program that can be named as a "script" inside
a "mapping" construct in /etc/network/interfaces.)
Thus it integrates better with standard tools.

Whereami implements a state machine (it remembers where it was
last; detect.conf defines the state transitions; whereami.conf 
specifies actions to take on state transitions) and includes
some nice config-file-altering scripts.  However (1) its triggering
hooks are a bit imperfect right now, and (2) it does not integrate
properly with ifup.  First, whereami should not be called
in if-pre-up.d.  If whereami is going to be triggered by events,
it makes no sense for ifup to call whereami, but whereami should
call ifup after it has figured out the current location.
Alternatively, if we really want ifup to call whereami,
then the hook scripts should call ifup.  Second, whereami needs
a "mapping" script (of the same genus as guessnet) that will
report to ifup the logical interface to use, based on the whereami
location.  Hmm ... this shouldn't be hard.  The following script
should do if there is only one location:
   #!/bin/sh
   loc=`cat /etc/whereami/iam`
   awk '$1 ~ /'"$loc"'/ { print $2 }'
This looks up the current location name in the table defined
by consecutive "map" lines in /etc/network/interfaces
and prints the interface name mapped to it, which ifup
can then bring up as it is configured to do.  Here is an example
of an interfaces file that works with the above script:
   auto lo
   iface lo inet loopback
   mapping eth0
  script /usr/sbin/thescriptabove
  map home eth0-home
   iface eth0-home inet static
  address 192.168.0.1
  netmask 255.255.255.0
  gateway 192.168.0.254
Other network configuration can be done in pre-up and (post-)up
scripts.  This could include things like backing up files onto a
docking station.  Thus, one could add the lines
  up bind-forwarders 192.168.1.1
and such.

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Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

[Eduard Bloch]

#include 
* Hal Vaughan [Tue, Jan 21 2003, 11:39:12AM]:

> comments.  You're right.  Truth is truth, even if it may hurt.  I guess I hit 
> a vein of truth and hurts.  Maybe you haven't noticed, but you accuse this 
> person of only whinning, while your response is nothing more than excuses of 
> why it's all wrong.

Huch? As first, I did critisize _your_ statements and the efforts to make
Mandrake appear the best of the best choice for Newbies.

> > manually (seen last week on SuSE, nice GUI but braindead package pool,
> > no zapping, no scantv, broken xawtv, only old xawtv able to show at
> > least one channel). There are lots of things that are _not_ simple and
> > not prepared by some upstream/distributor/vendor. You can workaround
> > simple when you have some experience and are able to RTFM, but a newbie
> > looses.
> 
> Actually, I would ask you, as well, how long it's been since you've tried to 
> install Mandrake.  I am NOT talking installing it on a system with specially 
> chosen hardware.  In fact, when I started with it a year ago, the first 
> system I put it on included a Winmodem.  Mandrake recognized it and got it 
> running perfectly.  All I had to do to configure it was to use the Mandrake 
> wizard and tyep in the phone number, user name, and password.  It recognized 

So what, then you just have luck. There are dozens of Winmodem brands
and almost all drivers are proprietary crap, with restrictive license
and depending on certain kernel versions, mostly the kernel from Redhat
or even Mandrake. OTOH, I know hardly anyone using an internal Winmodem
nowadays. There is either an external device, or ISDN, or DSL over
Ethernet.

> ALL my hardware and, in new installs, continues to do so.  As for your 
> reference to a "braindead package pool," you are showing the same snotty 
> elitism I was complaining about.  What do you know about this person?  How 
> smart/stupid is he?  Are you so much better than he is because you can set up 
> and run Debian?  Does that mean you are so smart you can judge him and others 
> as inferior?  If not, look at yourself.  That is basically what you and your 
> letter are doing -- saying that you are better because you know more about 
> computers and Linux and denigrating people who are not as smart as you are in 
> the fields you have chosen to explore.
> 
> I'm not just letting it fly.  I'm confronting you with it.  I'm sure
> you won't 

Please make your lines shorter.

> like it and we'll get more knee-jerk reactions from you and others who are 
> also in your deep state of self-congradulationary elitist justification that 
> you use to avoid dealing with humanity and life.  Why?  Because this type of 
> attitude is one of the biggest obstacles Linux faces in reachign a wider 
> audience and being adopted on more systems and on a wider variety of systems.

Fine. Why do /those people/ not take KNOPPIX instead of pure Debian? Or
Xandros? I expect from any average computer user beeing able to install
Woody when he is able to read what there is on the screen and count 2
and 2 together.

> On the other hand, that may not be what you want.  Perhaps, instead of seeing 
> more people using Linux and being able to use a stable OS with a reasonable 
> amount of security, perhaps you prefer being able to tell people (as you look 
> down your nose at them), "I don't use Windows," and have your attitude carry 
> the unspoken comment of, "I'm just too smart for it, and I'm much smarter 

Bullshit. You try to interprent my mail as you want to see me.

[...lots of similar blah, blah deleted...]

> Now, as for XawTV, I found it quite easy to setup on Mandrake.  I barely had 
> to read more than a few lines of the man page and had it working pretty 
> quickly.  One would find it easy to deduce from that last paragraph of your 

With or without scantv, that is the question.

> post (the one quoted most recently) that you are not only an angry 
> Linux/GNU/Debian elitist, but that you haven't tried a simple to use distro 
> in a long time and, basically, don't know what you're talking about when it 
> comes to this.  (By the way, several reviews have rated Mandrake as easier to 
> install than Windows XP.)

See above.

> Maybe I see something a little different.  The fact that he's trying and has 
> tried different distros shows he is interested in learning.  I remember what 

Then he should learn, but using a specific distribution does not
neccessarily mean a constanly low learning curve. There is lots of
problematic hardware, applications not expected to run by Mandrake, etc.
There lots of things to manage and they mean some additional work behind
of configuration tools provided by a distro. With Mandrake/SuSE/Redhat,
this may happen not on the first day, but few days later, but it will
happen, and when it does, the lazy newbie will get problems.

> it was like when I, after not having used a computer in a technical capacity 
> in over a decade, started with Suse 6.4 and ra

Getting only ISO-8859-15 fonts installed

[Franck Routier]

Hi,

I would like to have a system with only euro compatible fonts installed.

x-window-system-core package depends on ISO-8859-1 fonts, so these are 
always installed. So even if I install the transcoded packages, users 
will be presented with a list of fonts that not necessarly support their 
locale setting (they all have a @euro locale). This will tend to make 
them think linux on the desktop is not very pleasant, which we all know 
is false.

Am I missing the point, or is this kind of a problem ?

Thanks,

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Re: attempt to access beyond end of device

[Mohammed Sameer]

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Once upon a time Shaul Karl wrote @ Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:46:46 +0200

> > 
> > Hi all,
> > Yesterday i left the PC running all night, When i woke up i found a bunch of those 
>messages in my console
> > i had them before while i was doing a "find ./ -name foo" but ignored them, I 
>really don't feel comfortable.
> > 
> > Can anyone point me to the right direction ??
> > 
> 
> 
>   I don't know if this is the right direction or not: I *believe* I had
> a similar problem and it has something to do with the interpretation of
> the cylinders, heads, sectors of the disk. I am not sure about this at
> all. The LDP's large disk howto might give some more information about
> the cylinders, heads, sectors issue.
I don't know really, I was using mandrake before with no problem "not a bug in the 
great debian, I'm just wondering :-)"
I'll have a look @ tldp and see

> > Directory sread (sector 0x1ccf0) failed
> > attempt to access beyond end of device
> > 03:05: rw=0, want=59000, limit=8001
> > Directory sread (sector 0x1ccf0) failed
> > attempt to access beyond end of device
> > 03:05: rw=0, want=59000, limit=8001
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apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't downgrade to stable

[Mohammed Sameer]

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Hi,
I have a mixed system (stable+unstable) and wanted to downgrade to stable.

here's my /etc/apt/preferences

Package: *
Pin: release a=stable
Pin-Priority: 1001

and /etc/apt/apt.conf

APT::Default-Release "stable";

However
# apt-get dist-upgrade 
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Calculating Upgrade... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  libfam0 
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  coreutils gcc-3.2-base libfam0c102 libgnome-desktop-2 libssl0.9.7
  libstartup-notification0 libstdc++5 
The following packages have been kept back
  libgtkspell-dev libgtkspell0 libpisock8 sylpheed-claws 
94 packages upgraded, 7 newly installed, 1 to remove and 4  not upgraded.
Need to get 46.8MB/50.6MB of archives. After unpacking 19.3MB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] 

I had a look at the how to
What's wrong here ?
i did an apt-get update
but no use!

even removed my testing and unstable sources but no use

Can anyone kindly help please ?

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[HELP] - kernel panic 2.4.18 on Dual-PIII

[Rodrigo Otavio Weymar Fonseca]

Hi,

I sent this message yesterday, but I am not sure it reached the 
debian-user list.

I am sorry by multiples copies.

Rodrigo

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:48:55 -0200 (BRST)
From: Rodrigo Otavio Weymar Fonseca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian user list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [HELP] - kernel panic 2.4.18 on Dual-PIII

Hello all,

I am using the standard kernel 2.4.18(stable) provided with Woody cd's on 
a Dual-PIII 733 Mhz.

I have just installed that, after have using the 2.2.20-idepci version.

But I am facing a kernel panic with the 2.4.18 (up) version.

When I try to boot, it appears the following messages:

.
.
.
SCB count = 4
kernel NEXTQSCB = 3
card NEXTQSCB = 0
QINFIFO entries: 3 2
waiting queue entries: 0:255 1:255 and so on until 15:255
QOUTFIFO entries:   ( this field is empty )
sequencer free SCB list: 0 1 2 ... 15
pending list: 2
kernel free SCB list: 1 0 
untagged Q(1) = 2
DEUQ(0:1:0): 0 waiting
qinpos = 0, SCB index = 3
kernel panic: loop 1



If I try a cd boot I got other error messages:

boot: bf24
loading/install..
loading bf24.bin.
ready.

uncompressing linux.

invalid compressed format (err=1)

--System halted

And finally, when I tried a floppy disk boot, I got more error messages:

.
.
.
ext2-fs: ide(3,1): couldn't mount because of unsupported optional 
features.

[MS-DOS FS RREL. 12, FAT 0, ... ]

transaction block size = 512
invalid session number or type of track 

kernel panic: VFS : unable to mount root FS on 03:01


My box has 2 ide hd's and a SCSI adapter Adaptec used by a external Yamaha 
CD writer.


Can someone help, please. 

Thanks in advance,

Rodrigo




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Re: Linux partition question

[Tom Pfeifer]

This could be an issue if your motherboard was more than say 4
or 5 years old (pre 1998 or so) and/or if you were running an older
release of Windows or Linux.

Win98 can boot from anywhere on that drive and so can Debian stable and
testing as long as the motherboard BIOS contains the INT13 extensions.

INT13 are a set of BIOS routines that are used to access hard drives.
The older version (without the extensions) could not access a drive
beyond 1024 cylinders - which is (typically) 8 GB.

Tom

On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 02:51:35PM +, debian parisc wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> although I've been reading this list for a few months now I haven't 
> actually installed in on a i386 pc (although I have installed it on a HP 
> Unix server - well smooth).  I'm now read to install on my home PC, to 
> ensure that my wife doesn't divorce me I need to make sure that I get it 
> right.  I'm going to resize my windows98 partition to free up 10GB on which 
> I will put 2 logical partition of 5GB each (i'll probably run stable on one 
> and testing on the other or maybe woody and mandrake).  I'm going to use 
> Partition Magic 7 to resize it. Having looked at the instructions on 
> Powerquest's site it says this
> 
> "IMPORTANT!  In most cases, the Windows partition and the Linux Ext2 
> partition must start below the 8 GB boundary to be bootable. However, if 
> your system supports INT13 extensions, then Windows XP/2000, Windows Me, 
> and some Linux distributions can boot beyond the 8 GB boundary. Check your 
> system documentation to determine if your machine supports INT13 
> extensions."
> 
> Does that mean that if my Linux partitions are first I can't boot 
> windows98? or if I put Windows first (10GB) I won't be able to boot linux? 
> and what is INT13?
> 
> regards
> 
> Leo
> 
> "It use to be said if your name is not on the LIST you can't come in. I say 
> I'm on the LIST so DON'T CC me" Leo...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _
> Express yourself with cool emoticons http://messenger.msn.co.uk
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Re: I'm a -- MARK --'ed user.

[Nicos Gollan]

On Wednesday 22 January 2003 16:40, Narins, Josh wrote:
> I know I had help figuring this out a couple years ago, but I don't
> remember, and it's impossible to google (the dashes are stripped if you
> try).

You can google for it (Query: debian syslog "--MARK--"). One result:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2000/debian-isp-200010/msg00081.html

To repeat what's said there: this message tells you that your system was alive 
enough to write to the log at that time. You can reconstruct downtimes from 
it.

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Holy dork, those things are getting longer!

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Help needed :: debmirror

[Shree Raman]

Hi!!

I am trying to maintain a debian mirror at my place. But the problem
is that the network pipe is not that big right now. I have tried it
using "debmirror" but I am finding it tough now. The updation process 
stops in between with the some error message.

dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 
#Timeout at /usr/share/perl5/Net/FTP.pm line 468
releasing 1 pending lock... at /usr/lib/perl5/LockFile/Simple.pm line 182

It leaves the whole mirror in an inconsistent state. Restarting the 
process means processing all Packages.gz, Contents-i386.gz, etc. for each
stable, testing & unstable for i386 architecture, which consumes a lot of 
time. 

Please suggest me a way to get it done faster. Will rsync work better in 
this situation ?? 

Thanking you in advance.

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Re: NGPT and "Classic" Threating

[Mohammed Sameer]

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Once upon a time Philipp wrote @ Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:45:21 +0100

> Dear Debian Users,
> 
> 
> i think i am forced to install NGPT (Next Generation Posix Threating)
> on one of our servers, because i am missing performance and
> i hope that will solve the problem. Now i have a couple of questions:
> 
> 
> 1) I cannot find a package NGPT. i am using debian woody
> at the moment. i found the project NGPT mentioned at the 
> debian page reporting that it is in preparation for nearly a
> year...
> 
> 2) If i install from source, NGPT will probably overwrite the
> actually installed threating library. if something goes wrong,
> what is the name of the package i need to reinstall to have
> my old Threating Library back ?
# dpkg -L libc6 | grep pthread
/lib/libpthread-0.10.so
/lib/libpthread.so.0

i think it's libc6 ;)

> 3) I dont think its possible to deinstall the old threating package
> first because of dependencies. how can i (with apt or dselct, or
> whatever) force a reinstall of a specific package ?
> 
> 
I think you can remove it, Then reinstall it again
dpkg --force... ?

> If you can answer one or all of there question it would really help
> me.
> 
> 
> Thank you in advance,
> Philipp
> 


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two sound card

[Gabriele Persia]

Hi,

I have a soundblaster 128 pci and the onboard-via 82c686 ac97 codec.

I've installed "woody" with onboard sound disabled and sb is working fine.

Then I've
1) re-enabled the via codec (sb-"emulation" disabled)
2) removed es1371 modules (rmmod -r)
3) succesfully "modprobed" via82cxxx_audio module
4) tested (sox --> play) some wave files...

...and everything works.

I would like to use the SB for mp3/mpeg (xmms, mplayer, xine, etc)
and the 82cxxx for other tasks.

Before I try loading both modules (?!), can someone tell me how do I choose
between them ? (assuming I can load both)

Do I need to make links in /dev and/or create any device?

(my idea is that some apps use /dev/xxx1 and others use /dev/xxx2,
or something like this)

Thanks in advance.
Gabriele Persia


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Problems with own 2.4.18

[Michael Schlottke]

 
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I compiled and installed my own kernel from source (2.4.18).

Now there's following problem:

The system can't find my second realtek 8139 ethernet card...

I still have kernel 2.2 installed and booting with it gives
following:

card 1 (just to name it) is available as eth0
card 2 as eth1

That's the way it should be. But with kernel 2.4 it looks like this:

card 1 is not available at all (modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate
module eth1)
card 2 is now known as eth0.

Does anybody know, what my mistake could be?

Sloede

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RE: Cannot open SCSI driver

[James Miller]

The CD-Writing-HOWTO helped me out alot.
Snippet from
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/CD-Wri
ting-HOWTO.html

Sect.  Description Module   SCSI  IDE   PP

BLOCK  Enhanced IDE/MFM/RLL... Y
BLOCK  IDE/ATAPI CDROM ide-cd  M
BLOCK  SCSI emulation support  ide-scsiM
BLOCK  Loopback device loop   MM M

SCSI   SCSI supportscsi_mod  Y/M  Y/M
SCSI   SCSI CD-ROM support sr_modY/M  Y/M
SCSI Enable vendor-specific   YY
SCSI   SCSI generic supportsgY/M  Y/M
SCSI   (select a low-level driver)Y

FS ISO 9660 CDROM filesystem   iso9660   Y/M  Y/M   Y/M
FS Microsoft Joliet cdrom...   joliet YY Y

Also check /usr/src/linux/.config and make sure:
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECD=y
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI=y -- for some reason mine wasn't set.


also make sure you have append="hdc=ide-scsi" --assuming you're CD-Writer in
the master on the secondary IDE controller

Hope this helps.


--jim




-Original Message-
From: Marcelo Chiapparini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:06 AM
To: debian user
Subject: Cannot open SCSI driver


Hello!

I am running woody and I have a cdrom and a cdwriter. I want to write
cds using the cdwriter reading from the cdrom. Both are ATAPI devices,
so I have compiled the kernel, 2.4.18, with the following options:

a) scsi generic support enabled
b) scsi cdrom support enabled
c) ATAPI cdrom support disabled

At boot time, the scsi support is started as we can see from the dmesg
output:

hda: ST320413A, ATA DISK drive
hdc: CREATIVE CD5233E, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
hdd: Hewlett-Packard CD-Writer Plus 9500b, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive

SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00
scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices
   Vendor: CREATIVE  Model:  CD5233E  Rev: 2.02
   Type:   CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
   Vendor: HPModel: CD-Writer+ 9500b  Rev: 1.06
   Type:   CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
Attached scsi CD-ROM sr1 at scsi0, channel 0, id 1, lun 0
sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 8x/56x cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12
sr1: scsi3-mmc drive: 31x/32x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray


So, I have the following scsi map:

 adapter device channel id lun
CD5233E CD-ROM   scsi0   sr0 0  0   0
HP CD-Writerscsi0   sr1 0  1   0


In the lilo.conf file I have the line
append = "hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi max_scsi_luns=1"


Apparently everything works fine, I can listen music with the cdrom and
edit and copy files from the cdrom and cdwriter to the hd.

But when I run cdrecord with the -scanbus option I get the message:

nostromo:/home/chiappa# cdrecord -scanbus
Cdrecord 1.10 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2001 Jörg Schilling
cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open SCSI driver.

thus, cdrecord cannot find the SCSI driver (scsi0?). But the scsi drive
is readed during the boot process, as can be seen from the dmesg output
above.

What is going wrong? Any help will be very appreciated!

Marcelo

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Re: I'm a -- MARK --'ed user.

[Larry Holish]

On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 10:40:24AM -0500, Narins, Josh wrote:
> 
> I know I had help figuring this out a couple years ago, but I don't
> remember, and it's impossible to google (the dashes are stripped if you
> try).
> 
> On my console, on a woody 486, I see, regularly...
> 
> [ 30 or so seconds pass]
> 
> And I am quite sure I do not like feeling like a -- MARK --'ed person.
> 
> Help? 

This is normal. See section 11.2.3 of the Securing Debian HOWTO:

http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch11.en.html#s-vulnerable-system

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Re: dependency troubles in sid

[Colin Watson]

On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 11:10:06AM -0500, James Hughes wrote:
> I can't install  or remove any packages with apt-get. Installing
> produces errors along the lines of the following:
> 
> Reading changelogs... Done
> (Reading database ... 74553 files and directories currently
> installed.)
> Preparing to replace gftp-gtk 2.0.13-1 (using
> .../gftp-gtk_2.0.14-1_i386.deb) ...
> Unpacking replacement gftp-gtk ...
> dpkg: error processing
> /var/cache/apt/archives/gftp-gtk_2.0.14-1_i386.deb (--unpack):
>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/menu/gftp', which is also in package
>  gftp-common

See:

  http://lists.debian.org/debian-project-0301/msg00023.html

Use 'dpkg -i --force-overwrite
/var/cache/apt/archives/gftp-gtk_2.0.14-1_i386.deb' as a workaround.

> Preparing to replace xlibs 4.2.1-1 (using .../xlibs_4.2.1-4_i386.deb)
> ...
> Unpacking replacement xlibs ...
> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs_4.2.1-4_i386.deb
> (--unpack):
>  trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults', which is also
>  in package dialdcost

dialdcost is no longer in the distribution; if you want to keep it
you'll probably need to rebuild it to use /etc/X11/app-defaults instead.

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Re: apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't downgrade to stable

[Simon Law]

On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 06:15:53PM +0200, Mohammed Sameer wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Hi,
> I have a mixed system (stable+unstable) and wanted to downgrade to stable.
> 
> here's my /etc/apt/preferences
> 
> Package: *
> Pin: release a=stable
> Pin-Priority: 1001
> 
> and /etc/apt/apt.conf
> 
> APT::Default-Release "stable";

Make sure you have stable in your sources.list.  Take out
APT::Default-Release "stable";.  Then "apt-get update && apt-get -t
stable dist-upgrade".  You should see it downgrade.

Simon


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Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

[Hal Vaughan]

On Wednesday 22 January 2003 11:14 am, you wrote:
> #include 
>
> * Hal Vaughan [Tue, Jan 21 2003, 11:39:12AM]:
> > comments.  You're right.  Truth is truth, even if it may hurt.  I guess I
> > hit a vein of truth and hurts.  Maybe you haven't noticed, but you accuse
> > this person of only whinning, while your response is nothing more than
> > excuses of why it's all wrong.
>
> Huch? As first, I did critisize _your_ statements and the efforts to make
> Mandrake appear the best of the best choice for Newbies.
>
> > Actually, I would ask you, as well, how long it's been since you've tried
> > to install Mandrake.  I am NOT talking installing it on a system with
> > specially chosen hardware.  In fact, when I started with it a year ago,
> > the first system I put it on included a Winmodem.  Mandrake recognized it
> > and got it running perfectly.  All I had to do to configure it was to use
> > the Mandrake wizard and tyep in the phone number, user name, and
> > password.  It recognized
>
> So what, then you just have luck. There are dozens of Winmodem brands
> and almost all drivers are proprietary crap, with restrictive license
> and depending on certain kernel versions, mostly the kernel from Redhat
> or even Mandrake. OTOH, I know hardly anyone using an internal Winmodem
> nowadays. There is either an external device, or ISDN, or DSL over
> Ethernet.

Funny.  When I was first trying Linux and had a different Winmodem, I 
installed Mandrake.  The Winmodem didn't work.  I put a few terms in a search 
engine and came up with simple, easy to follow instructions.  My Winmodem was 
up and running in under 15 minutes.

> > like it and we'll get more knee-jerk reactions from you and others who
> > are also in your deep state of self-congradulationary elitist
> > justification that you use to avoid dealing with humanity and life.  Why?
> >  Because this type of attitude is one of the biggest obstacles Linux
> > faces in reachign a wider audience and being adopted on more systems and
> > on a wider variety of systems.
>
> Fine. Why do /those people/ not take KNOPPIX instead of pure Debian? Or
> Xandros? I expect from any average computer user beeing able to install
> Woody when he is able to read what there is on the screen and count 2
> and 2 together.

Knoppix works well for short term use, but there are issues with installing it 
on a hard drive.  It's not "there" yet.

What one expects and what is an appropriate expectation are not always the 
same thing.  Obviously you have a lot invested in this.  It is at this point 
that your reasoning/discussion changes from logical and respectful to being 
laced with disrespectful references and (below) ugly comments.

I'm speaking as someone who was educated and trained in how people learn and 
perceive.  I'm speaking as someone who spent ten years teaching students who 
had trouble learning.  This required me to learn how to work with not only 
disabled students, but those without learning disabilities as well.  While it 
is true that a computer user who can read can install Debian, it is quite a 
bit of grunt work -- researching and finding out what modules to use, etc.

I also find that seem to be contradicting yourself here.  Your point before 
was that this was way above the original poster's head.  Now you're saying 
any literate computer user can install Debian.

And, remember, your original response was to tell him to go away.  It wasn't 
to tell him to use Debian.  It was to go away and get Linux when it was at a 
consumer level and pre-installed (which is available through Wal-Mart).

> > On the other hand, that may not be what you want.  Perhaps, instead of
> > seeing more people using Linux and being able to use a stable OS with a
> > reasonable amount of security, perhaps you prefer being able to tell
> > people (as you look down your nose at them), "I don't use Windows," and
> > have your attitude carry the unspoken comment of, "I'm just too smart for
> > it, and I'm much smarter
>
> Bullshit. You try to interprent my mail as you want to see me.

Notice that it is here (and starting, just above) that your comments turn from 
logical to include profanity and even include weaker ways of denigrating what 
I saw.  This is a computer mailing list, not a self-improvement mailing list 
or a human behavior mailing list.  I won't go into details.  I'll just say I 
won't respond to posts containing ugly language like this or attempts at 
denigrating other people's comments.  (Like the comment immediately below -- 
there are many ways it could be phrased, but you selected one that indicates 
what is stated is not valid.)

Oh, as for seeing you as you want to see me.  I'm working through experience.  
I learned, while work in institutations, how to size someone up quickly.  It 
was a safety issue.  I had to be able to get to know a person quickly and see 
what was likely to set him/her off and what his/her areas of anger, denial, 
and frustration are.  I would submit, 

Re: NGPT and "Classic" Threating

[Nicos Gollan]

On Wednesday 22 January 2003 16:45, Philipp wrote:
> 3) I dont think its possible to deinstall the old threating package
> first because of dependencies. how can i (with apt or dselct, or
> whatever) force a reinstall of a specific package ?

apt-get --reinstall install 

Alternatively, aptitude lets you force reinstall by selecting the package with 
"L".

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Brute force reinstall

[Nicos Gollan]

Hi all...

I recently ran into some, uhm, minor hard disk problems that sent my 
/usr/share to kingdom come, along with /home, but that's another story. 
Failing to find a simple way to reinstall packages with data in /usr/share or 
plain and simple all packages, I reinstalled the whole system. (OK, this was 
probably necessary anyway because perl was done for...)

Is there an easy way to reinstall all packages? Perhaps a tool that flags all 
packages as "reinst-required" or something?

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Re: exim4 sources

[David H. Clymer]

On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 07:08, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
> There's an exim-4.10 package on
> ftp://ftp.cistron.nl/pub/people/miquels/debian/cistron/
> 
> It has been built without LDAP and SQL support though, since I
> don't need it. And remember exim v3 and v4 have a completely
> different syntax for the config file, and this package does
> nothing to try to convert the old config file to the new format.
> 

Thanx, but I do need SQL support. I think I will try Derrik's
suggestion. Thanks for the help guys!

davidc


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Share printer

[Willem-Jan Meijer]

Hello again,

My HP 840 is working fine now (thanks for it) nd now I want to share it with 
windows XP. I tried some things but I can't get it work. Here's my smb.conf 
file:

workgroup = Meijer
server string = Debian

load printers = yes
printcap name = /etc/printcap
printing = cups

log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m

max log size = 1000

;   syslog only = no

syslog = 0

security = share

encrypt passwords = true

;   include = /home/samba/etc/smb.conf.%m

# Most people will find that this option gives better performance.
# See speed.txt and the manual pages for details
# You may want to add the following on a Linux system:
# SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192
   socket options = TCP_NODELAY

# --- Browser Control Options ---

# Please _read_ BROWSING.txt and set the next four parameters according
# to your network setup. The defaults are specified below (commented
# out.) It's important that you read BROWSING.txt so you don't break
# browsing in your network!

# set local master to no if you don't want Samba to become a master
# browser on your network. Otherwise the normal election rules apply
;   local master = yes

# OS Level determines the precedence of this server in master browser
# elections. The default value should be reasonable
;   os level = 20

# Domain Master specifies Samba to be the Domain Master Browser. This
# allows Samba to collate browse lists between subnets. Don't use this
# if you already have a Windows NT domain controller doing this job
;   domain master = auto

# Preferred Master causes Samba to force a local browser election on startup
# and gives it a slightly higher chance of winning the election
;   preferred master = auto

# --- End of Browser Control Options ---

# Windows Internet Name Serving Support Section:
# WINS Support - Tells the NMBD component of Samba to enable it's WINS Server
;   wins support = no

# WINS Server - Tells the NMBD components of Samba to be a WINS Client
# Note: Samba can be either a WINS Server, or a WINS Client, but NOT both
;   wins server = w.x.y.z

# This will prevent nmbd to search for NetBIOS names through DNS.
   dns proxy = no

# What naming service and in what order should we use to resolve host names
# to IP addresses
;   name resolve order = lmhosts host wins bcast

# Name mangling options
;   preserve case = yes
;   short preserve case = yes

# This boolean parameter controlls whether Samba attempts to sync. the Unix
# password with the SMB password when the encrypted SMB password in the
# /etc/samba/smbpasswd file is changed.
;   unix password sync = false

# For Unix password sync. to work on a Debian GNU/Linux system, the following
# parameters must be set (thanks to Augustin Luton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for
# sending the correct chat script for the passwd program in Debian Potato).
   passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd %u
   passwd chat = *Enter\snew\sUNIX\spassword:* %n\n 
*Retype\snew\sUNIX\spassword:* %n\n .

# This boolean controls whether PAM will be used for password changes
# when requested by an SMB client instead of the program listed in
# 'passwd program'. The default is 'no'.
;   pam password change = no

# The following parameter is useful only if you have the linpopup package
# installed. The samba maintainer and the linpopup maintainer are
# working to ease installation and configuration of linpopup and samba.
;   message command = /bin/sh -c '/usr/bin/linpopup "%f" "%m" %s; rm %s' &

   obey pam restrictions = yes

# Some defaults for winbind (make sure you're not using the ranges
# for something else.)
;   winbind uid = 1-2
;   winbind gid = 1-2
;   template shell = /bin/bash

#=== Share Definitions ===

[homes]
   comment = Home Directories
   browseable = no

# By default, the home directories are exported read-only. Change next
# parameter to 'yes' if you want to be able to write to them.
   writable = no

# File creation mask is set to 0700 for security reasons. If you want to
# create files with group=rw permissions, set next parameter to 0775.
   create mask = 0700

# Directory creation mask is set to 0700 for security reasons. If you want to
# create dirs. with group=rw permissions, set next parameter to 0775.
   directory mask = 0700

# Un-comment the following and create the netlogon directory for Domain Logons
# (you need to configure Samba to act as a domain controller too.)
;[netlogon]
;   comment = Network Logon Service
;   path = /home/samba/netlogon
;   guest ok = yes
;   writable = no
;   share modes = no

[hp]
comment = test
browsable = no
path = /dev/lp0
printable = yes
public = yes
writable = no
create mode = 0777

# A sample share for sharing your CD-ROM with others.
;[cdrom]
;   comment = Samba server's CD-ROM
;   writable = no
;   locking = no
;   path = /cdrom
;   public = yes

# The next two parameters show how to auto-mount a CD-ROM when the
#   cdrom share is accesed. For this to work /etc/fstab must cont

RE: [HELP] - kernel panic 2.4.18 on Dual-PIII

[Colin Ellis]

The 'up' in 2.4.18 (up) stands for uni-processor.  You will most definitely
need the SMP kernel :)

I've never used a multiprocessor machine with linux, but it'd certainly be a
start to get the correct kernel.

Colin Ellis
Solution City Ltd
http://www.solution-city.com



-Original Message-
From: Rodrigo Otavio Weymar Fonseca [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 22 January 2003 16:28
To: debian user list
Subject: [HELP] - kernel panic 2.4.18 on Dual-PIII


Hi,

I sent this message yesterday, but I am not sure it reached the
debian-user list.

I am sorry by multiples copies.

Rodrigo

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:48:55 -0200 (BRST)
From: Rodrigo Otavio Weymar Fonseca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian user list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [HELP] - kernel panic 2.4.18 on Dual-PIII

Hello all,

I am using the standard kernel 2.4.18(stable) provided with Woody cd's on
a Dual-PIII 733 Mhz.

I have just installed that, after have using the 2.2.20-idepci version.

But I am facing a kernel panic with the 2.4.18 (up) version.

When I try to boot, it appears the following messages:

.
.
.
SCB count = 4
kernel NEXTQSCB = 3
card NEXTQSCB = 0
QINFIFO entries: 3 2
waiting queue entries: 0:255 1:255 and so on until 15:255
QOUTFIFO entries:   ( this field is empty )
sequencer free SCB list: 0 1 2 ... 15
pending list: 2
kernel free SCB list: 1 0
untagged Q(1) = 2
DEUQ(0:1:0): 0 waiting
qinpos = 0, SCB index = 3
kernel panic: loop 1



If I try a cd boot I got other error messages:

boot: bf24
loading/install..
loading bf24.bin.
ready.

uncompressing linux.

invalid compressed format (err=1)

--System halted

And finally, when I tried a floppy disk boot, I got more error messages:

.
.
.
ext2-fs: ide(3,1): couldn't mount because of unsupported optional
features.

[MS-DOS FS RREL. 12, FAT 0, ... ]

transaction block size = 512
invalid session number or type of track

kernel panic: VFS : unable to mount root FS on 03:01


My box has 2 ide hd's and a SCSI adapter Adaptec used by a external Yamaha
CD writer.


Can someone help, please.

Thanks in advance,

Rodrigo




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Re: I'm a -- MARK --'ed user.

[Bill Benedetto]

>>> Narins, Josh writes:

  Josh> I know I had help figuring this out a couple years ago, but I don't
  Josh> remember, and it's impossible to google (the dashes are stripped if you
  Josh> try).
  Josh>
  Josh> On my console, on a woody 486, I see, regularly...
  Josh>
  Josh> -- MARK --
  Josh> [ 30 or so seconds pass]
  Josh> -- MARK --
  Josh>
  Josh> And I am quite sure I do not like feeling like a -- MARK --'ed person.

Doesn't this come from the default syslogd configuration?

>From the syslogd manpage:

   -m interval
  The syslogd logs a mark timestamp  regularly.   The
  default interval between two -- MARK -- lines is 20
  minutes.  This can be  changed  with  this  option.
  Setting the interval to zero turns it off entirely.

HTH,

- Bill
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
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Re: I'm a -- MARK --'ed user.

[Jens Kubieziel]

On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 10:40:24AM -0500, Narins, Josh wrote:
> -- MARK --
> And I am quite sure I do not like feeling like a -- MARK --'ed person.


kubi@QBI050102:~$ man syslogd
[...]
   -m interval
  The syslogd logs a mark timestamp regularly.  The default inter-
  val between two -- MARK -- lines is 20  minutes.   This  can  be
  changed with this option.  Setting the interval to zero turns it
  off entirely.
[...]
-- 
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"I may kid around about drugs, but really, I take them seriously."
- Doctor Graper


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Signature lengths (was Re: I'm a -- MARK --'ed user.)

[Mark L. Kahnt]

On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 11:38, Nicos Gollan wrote:
> On Wednesday 22 January 2003 16:40, Narins, Josh wrote:

[***SNIP!!!***]

> > ---
> >--- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of
> > the designated recipient(s) named above.  If you are not the intended
> > recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review,
> > dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly
> > prohibited.  This communication is for information purposes only and should
> > not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy
> > any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as
> > an official statement of Lehman Brothers.  Email transmission cannot be
> > guaranteed to be secure or error-free.  Therefore, we do not represent that
> > this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon
> > as such.  All information is subject to change without notice.
> 
> Holy dork, those things are getting longer!
> 
> -- 
> Got Backup?

Be glad I no longer use my anti-spam disclaimer - 25 lines saying about
the evils of unsolicited marketing email, and that the use of the term
"Spam" has nothing to do with Hormel, who in fact oppose the practice of
unsolicited marketing, etc.

At least that was functional - I honestly have little respect for one
that loves sending cmsg newgroups on Usenet for stupid vanity groups,
with 300+ lines of ASCII art.
-- 
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RE: [HELP] - kernel panic 2.4.18 on Dual-PIII

[Rodrigo Otavio Weymar Fonseca]

Hello Colin,

I have tested the 2.4.18smp also and I got the same type of errors.

But, are there problems in using a up kernel in a smp hardware ?

I thought the only problem in not using a smp kernel in a smp hw was the  
loss of performance. 

If someone doesn`t use a smp kernel, or better, if someone uses an up kernel 
in an smp hw, it only wont activate the second processor, isn`t that?

Thanks for your response.

Rodrigo


On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Colin Ellis wrote:

> 
> The 'up' in 2.4.18 (up) stands for uni-processor.  You will most definitely
> need the SMP kernel :)
> 
> I've never used a multiprocessor machine with linux, but it'd certainly be a
> start to get the correct kernel.
> 
> Colin Ellis
> Solution City Ltd
> http://www.solution-city.com



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Re: Hp 840c

[Gilberto Garcia Jr.]

In the portuguese list of debian, a guy told to me to install turboprint

www.turboprint.de

there are 2 versios (free e full), but both are funcionally. and this one is
better than cups because you can print at 12pps , so, you can get more ink
economics.

[]´s
Iced Sun


- Original Message -
From: "Willem-Jan Meijer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 6:47 PM
Subject: Hp 840c


> Hello again,
>
> I'm using Debian / KDE 2.2.2 at my desktop for 3 weeks now, and I like it
> very much, except that I can't print. What stuff / wich packages do I have
to
> install to get my HP 840c printer at the parallel port working? It runs
well
> in Caldera OpenLinux but I don't know how to get it work in Debian.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Willem-Jan Meijer,
> Netherlands
>
>
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Re: Error while running apt-get update

[Jack O'Quin]

Rob Weir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 02:32:23PM +0100, Joshua SS Miller wrote:
> > You have to much info for the apt-get cache to handle.  Up the size of 
> > Cache-Limit.  I have my set very high.
> > 
> > joshua@sunlap:~$ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf
> > APT::Default-Release "testing";
> > APT::Cache-Limit 1000;
> > Apt::Get::Purge;

Thanks for the tip.  Just hit this problem myself for the first time
today.

> These seems to be coming up about once a day on the list, isn't *anyone*
> searching the archives or at least googling?

Perhaps the default is set too low, and many people are seeing this
problem for the first time?

Regards,
-- 
  Jack O'Quin
  Austin, Texas, USA


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GNOME == bloatware?

[Steve Juranich]

I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice this, as I'm running a stock 
sid box.  But I've got a machine with 256Mb ram, but GNOME is bringing 
this system to a crawl.  I open up the system monitor, and I see that 
the main offenders are X (65 Mb, totally expected), Galeon (40 MB, it 
didn't used to be this bad), and gnome-terminal (15 MB for a single 
instance! 11MB after I turn off all of the fancy stuff).

So I'm wondering if I've got some binaries that aren't optimized for my 
system somehow, or this is just the state of GNOME.  If so, I'm going 
to take a serious second look at ditching the whole 'desktop 
environment' altogether and go with something like IceWM.

I'm not trolling, I've got a serious issue here.  256 mb should be more 
than enough to run all of the junk I want to run without swapping.

Thanks.  for fl in *flames* ; do cat $fl > /dev/null ; done

--
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RE: [HELP] - kernel panic 2.4.18 on Dual-PIII

[Colin Ellis]

Try append="noapic" to turn off power management.

-Original Message-
From: Rodrigo Otavio Weymar Fonseca [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 22 January 2003 17:54
To: Colin Ellis
Cc: debian user list
Subject: RE: [HELP] - kernel panic 2.4.18 on Dual-PIII


Hello Colin,

I have tested the 2.4.18smp also and I got the same type of errors.

But, are there problems in using a up kernel in a smp hardware ?

I thought the only problem in not using a smp kernel in a smp hw was the
loss of performance.

If someone doesn`t use a smp kernel, or better, if someone uses an up kernel
in an smp hw, it only wont activate the second processor, isn`t that?

Thanks for your response.

Rodrigo


On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Colin Ellis wrote:

>
> The 'up' in 2.4.18 (up) stands for uni-processor.  You will most
definitely
> need the SMP kernel :)
>
> I've never used a multiprocessor machine with linux, but it'd certainly be
a
> start to get the correct kernel.
>
> Colin Ellis
> Solution City Ltd
> http://www.solution-city.com




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Re: Help needed :: debmirror

[Jamin W. Collins]

On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 09:58:37PM +0530, Shree Raman wrote:

> It leaves the whole mirror in an inconsistent state. Restarting the
> process means processing all Packages.gz, Contents-i386.gz, etc. for
> each stable, testing & unstable for i386 architecture, which consumes
> a lot of time. 

Take a look at the options for debmirror.  From it's man page:

   --skippackages
 Don't re-download Packages and Sources files. Useful if you
 know they are up-to-date.

-- 
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Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

[Hal Vaughan]

On Wednesday 22 January 2003 01:33 am, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> on Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 01:52:40AM -0500, Hal Vaughan 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Tuesday 21 January 2003 12:31 am, Kent West wrote:
> > > John & Peg Pickard wrote:
> >
> > I would STRONGLY recommend trying Mandrake.  While I have not had any
> > problems with Mandrake 9.0, I have heard of some people who have.  I
> > found Mandrake 8.2 to be solid and stable.  It's basically your choice
> > -- I would think either one would work fine.  One nice addition or
> > change to Mandrake 9.0 is that it does not require the user to
> > mount/umount cd-roms when they are put in or removed from a drive.
>
> autofs?
>
> $ apt-get install autofs
>
> No, it's not configured by default in Debian.  Yes, it's a nice touch
> that Mandrake provides autofs (or an equivalent) by default.  Yes, it's
> possible for a consumer-oriented Debian distro to do similarly.
>
> Compelling reason to switch distros?  No, IMO.

No, it isn't a compelling reason to switch.  I'll be honest, it was a rotten 
example.  My point was how Mandrake is focused on making everything as easy 
as possible to install and use -- so it's possible for the "average Joe" to 
go to Best Buy, or any other store that sells Mandrake, buy a box, take it 
home, install it quickly and easily, and sit down and do something 
productive, like writing, or working with Gimp, or any of a million other 
things people use computers to do so they can make a living -- or any of a 
million other things people do for hobbies.

This is NOT one of Debian's strengths.

> It would be interesting to see a list of features of Mandrake you feel
> increase useability.  There was a long (and heated) discussion of Gentoo
> on d-d a few weeks ago.  One point of these discussions:  competition,
> and different approaches, are *good*.  Debian's packaging is pushing the
> RPM distros hard.  Gentoo's "build from source" has inspired Debian's
> apt-src (unstable only).  Knoppix's HW autodetect is likely to influence
> the next generation of GNU/Linux installers.  This is a Good Thing[tm].

I agree fully.  RPM is pathetic.  When I'm installing some packages and 
everything works fine, it's great, but once I get to one conflice, it's 
impossible.  It's possible to get some programs that one just can't install 
w/out getting the source code and compiling.  At that point RPM is terrible 
and definately NOT for newbies.  My experience, though, is that a large part 
of what most people need is easily available and easily installable in 
Mandrake.

I hope Knoppix's hardware detection is assimilated into Debian's installer.  
I've experimented with Sorcerer, which seems to be a great distro.  (And this 
source based distro was easier to install than Debian, IMHO.)  In e-mail 
discussions with the creator of Sorcerer, he said that other distros are 
looking into how Sorcerer installs/adds new programs.  That's good, since it 
is easy to add programs in Sorcerer.  (I'd likely covert a few boxes to it if 
spells were already written for all the programs I'd need to install.)

> So...if Mandrake manages to make the new-user experience better, count
> the ways.

Easy install.  Good hardware detection and broad hardware database.  Easy 
package selection -- you can either just select a group (like Games), or pick 
programs one by one.  They've already done a good job at figuring out which 
packages are most likely to be needed/wanted in each category.  Easy desktop 
setup -- just install and when it restarts, you get the desktop manager and 
log in to a wizard that helps you select what desktop to use (also easy to 
circumvent if you want more than what you're offered).  Management/config 
tools have been unified in the Mandrake Control Center.  No need to create 
mount points and edit /etc/fstab to get it to read extra devices (like 2nd 
CD-ROM).  (Actually, inlcude no need to even KNOW about fstab if you're a 
newbie.)  Ability to use console OR GUI tools -- depending on level of 
experience, current situation, or preference.  Wizards that set up networking 
quickly and easily.  Even wizards to set up Samba or NFS.

Actually, the wizards are so easy and quick, I've found that even though I 
started by configuring all the files by hand, I often use a wizard instead.  
If I'm in X and using the console window, and have to set up something with 
directories (say, finding a Samba share), it is easier to run MCC, select 
mount points, and browse the network to get the exact directory and set it up 
through the wizard.

If you want more reasons, I'll see what I can come up with.

>
> Debian _does_ aim more toward the technical user.  This doesn't mean
> newbies can't use it (the number of people I meet who've run no
> GNU/Linux _but_ Debian continues to amaze me).  And there are some
> compelling reasons to use Debian, specifically policy and package
> management.

I wonder -- are the people that start with Debian people who are new to Li

Re: how to determine hd partitioning?

[Fraser Campbell]

On January 20, 2003 02:32 pm, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote:

> Only problem is... the disk is a 40GB drive, and this older machine can
> only handle drives up to 32GB. While I can see the partitioning and
> access a good portion of the disk, I cannot get a large chunk of the
> data off it that I need. I guess that'll teach me to back up to a hard
> drive (instead of removable media)...

Check if your motherboard manufacturer has BIOS updates for your board.  When 
I recently ran into the same problem I was pleasantly surprised to find out 
that ASUS had updates available to support large drives even though the board 
was approaching 4 years of age (perhaps even 5).

Fraser


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Re: apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't downgrade to stable

[Lloyd Zusman]

Simon Law <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 06:15:53PM +0200, Mohammed Sameer wrote:
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA1
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I have a mixed system (stable+unstable) and wanted to downgrade to stable.
>> 
>> here's my /etc/apt/preferences
>> 
>> Package: *
>> Pin: release a=stable
>> Pin-Priority: 1001
>> 
>> and /etc/apt/apt.conf
>> 
>> APT::Default-Release "stable";
>
>   Make sure you have stable in your sources.list.  Take out
> APT::Default-Release "stable";.  Then "apt-get update && apt-get -t
> stable dist-upgrade".  You should see it downgrade.
>
> Simon

I had a similar problem, and so I appreciate this information.  But my
understanding is still a bit shaky.  Could someone point me to an
appropriate doc which explains why `APT::Default-Release "stable";' has
to be removed from /etc/apt/apt.conf' in order for the downgrade to take
place? ... or else perhaps could someone post a short explanation here?

Since we are talking about downgrading to `stable', I don't understand
why the presence of `APT::Default-Release "stable";' would prevent that.

Thanks.

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Re: Nautilus problems in latest upgrade of Sid

[Rich Rudnick]

On Tue, 2003-01-21 at 19:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I did an aptitude upgrade a few minutes ago & got my self in sync with the latest 
>debs in Unstable.
> 
> 2 problems :
> 1. Nautilus refuses to start.
> Trying to launch it from the command line spews this error :
> 
> nautilus:18756): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: 
>\"wonderland\",
> FAMOpen failed, FAMErrno=0
> FAMOpen failed, FAMErrno=0
> FAMOpen failed, FAMErrno=0
> nautilus: relocation error: nautilus: undefined symbol: 
>eel_bonobo_pbclient_set_value_async
> 
> here\'s a list of dpkg -l for nautilus :
> 
> ii  libnautilus0   1.0.6-8.2  Shared libraries that part of Nautilus
> ii  libnautilus2-2 2.0.8-1Shared libraries that part of Nautilus (GNOM
> ii  nautilus   2.0.8-1File manager and graphical shell (GNOME2)
> ii  nautilus-data  2.1.91-1   Development files of Nautilus (GNOME2)
> ii  nautilus-gtkht 0.3.2-6NautilusView component which embeds a GtkHTM
> rc  nautilus2  2.0.7-1File manager and graphical shell (GNOME2)

I'm not sure how you got that mix; here's mine from an upgrade last night:

ii  libnautilus2-2 2.1.91-1   Shared libraries that part of Nautilus (GNOM
ii  nautilus   2.1.91-1   File manager and graphical shell (GNOME2)
ii  nautilus-data  2.1.91-1   Development files of Nautilus (GNOME2)
ii  nautilus-gtkht 0.3.2-6NautilusView component which embeds a GtkHTM
ii  libeel2-2  2.1.91-1   Eazel Extensions Library (for GNOME2)
ii  libeel2-data   2.1.91-1   Eazel Extensions Library - data files (for G

Do you have any of the nautilus dependencies on hold?  Anyway you should
look at purging libnautilus0 (it's from gnome 1.4) and nautilus2
(replaced by nautilus).  You should also look at the recent archives
from debian-gtk-gnome, there's some discussion about fam errors this
morning.

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Re: restart / shutdown by normal user

[Burkhard Ritter]

On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Carlos Alberto Pereira Gomes wrote:

> * Joris Huizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20-01-2003 22:13]:
> > In the current (default) settings restarting &
> > shutting down is only allowed for the root user;
> > How can I change that so normal users can shut down
> > (restart) ?
> Some time ago there was a similar question, see:
> 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/debian-user-200211/msg03028.html
> 
> for one possible solution.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Carlos 
I changed the command for the ctr-alt-del key-sequence to shutdown in
/etc/inittab. It works quite well. 

Burkhard


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Re: how to determine hd partitioning?

[Matthew Weier O'Phinney]

-- Fraser Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
(on Wednesday, 22 January 2003, 01:19 PM -0500):
> On January 20, 2003 02:32 pm, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote:
> 
> > Only problem is... the disk is a 40GB drive, and this older machine can
> > only handle drives up to 32GB. While I can see the partitioning and
> > access a good portion of the disk, I cannot get a large chunk of the
> > data off it that I need. I guess that'll teach me to back up to a hard
> > drive (instead of removable media)...
> 
> Check if your motherboard manufacturer has BIOS updates for your board.  When 
> I recently ran into the same problem I was pleasantly surprised to find out 
> that ASUS had updates available to support large drives even though the board 
> was approaching 4 years of age (perhaps even 5).

I was just about to reply to the list...

I needed, in order to get my alsa, lirc, and another driver working, to
compile a new kernel. As it turned out, when I started poking around in
my /boot directory, I discovered a number of inconsistencies -- the
System.map file was linking to a System.map from several kernels
previous, the wrong initrd.img was being used, etc. I installed the new
kernel, resolved these problems, and voila! the disk worked fine!

No need for a BIOS update -- while the BIOS won't recognize the drive
unless it's reporting a size of 32GB (there's a jumper for this; if I
don't have it on, the computer won't even boot), linux recognizes it
fine, now.

Thanks for all the tips, everyone!

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Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

[Alex Malinovich]

On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 11:40, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> I wonder -- are the people that start with Debian people who are new to Linux, 
> but used to Unix or sys admin/programming on other systems, or are they just 
> at the "user" (or just above) level?

I did my first ever install of a Linux distro 13 months ago (almost to
the day as a matter of fact), which happened to be Debian Potato. Before
that I'd used Windows, Windows, and more Windows. I started up the OS/2
installer once. That was about as far as I got with it though. :) The
only real unix-type experience that I'd had before that was using Cygwin
(before the days of X support) for about 5 months. That got me
comfortable with ls, grep, less, and emacs. 

Other than that, I was an absolute newbie. I thought mounting was what
you did with a horse and ext2 was the 2nd extended partition on my HD.
:) And, worst of all, I didn't discover debian-user until AFTER I got
the system fully installed. :)

Now, 13 months later, I run Sid with some experimental packages on my
desktop machine and laptop, a mailserver running Sid with relatively old
packages that I know work right. (Testing is a bit TOO old for me. :)
And a webserver/Sid mirror running, you guessed it, Sid. :)

I also tried installing Mandrake about a month ago to see what it was
like and found one of the best installers I've ever seen. I now carry
the 1st Mandrake install CD around with my laptop anytime I need an
emergency boot disk for someone. (Primarily because of the partitioning
tool.) However, I can't stand the distro from the user standpoint. The
default setup with no VTs is absolutely horrid, and having to use a
wizard for just about everything is a nightmare. I'm going to give
Gentoo a shot as soon as I get enough HD space freed up, but in the
meantime, I'm a diehard Debian supporter. :)

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Re: Share printer

[Gabriele Persia]

Alle 18:25, mercoledì 22 gennaio 2003, Willem-Jan Meijer ha scritto:
> Hello again,
>
> My HP 840 is working fine now (thanks for it) nd now I want to share it
> with windows XP. I tried some things but I can't get it work. Here's my
> smb.conf file:
...

you don't need samba: win2k/XP can print to a remote ipp printer
...and cups implements ipp protocol. ;-)

So, open "control panel" and "add a printer":
[ add printer --> lan --> URL: http://cups-server-address:631/printers/dj840 ]

replace "cups-server-address" with the IP of the linux box and "dj840" with 
the cups-name of your printer.
(if you don't remember the name, just browse to http://localhost:631/printers)


If you can't connect to your printer, edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
" Allow From 192.168.1.* " (replace 192.168.1.* with your lan address)
and try again.

Hope this help.

Gabriele Persia

P.S. windows asks for printer driver: choose among the list (HP models).


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dosemu probs

[Joris Huizer]

Hello,

I've tried installing dosemu - but as my apt-get
didn't find any I did use another dosemu .. not really
working

Now I found the dosemu of debian - because it keeps
erroring it seems stuff is still there even though I
tried to remove it; how can I make sure the complete
dosemu stuff currently swimming around in the comp is
removed ?
And how can I make sure all - or at least more -
debian packages are found by apt-get ?

regards,

Joris 

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Re: GNOME == bloatware?

[Craig Dickson]

Steve Juranich wrote:

> I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice this, as I'm running a stock 
> sid box.  But I've got a machine with 256Mb ram, but GNOME is bringing 
> this system to a crawl.  I open up the system monitor, and I see that 
> the main offenders are X (65 Mb, totally expected), Galeon (40 MB, it 
> didn't used to be this bad), and gnome-terminal (15 MB for a single 
> instance! 11MB after I turn off all of the fancy stuff).

This would be Gnome 2, I assume, since you're running sid?

I do not care for gnome-terminal in Gnome 2. Before I switched to KDE
3.1, I was using rxvt for all my X-terminal needs. (Now I'm using
Konsole, which is less annoying than gnome-terminal, but kind of slow
compared to rxvt -- a command like 'cat really-huge-text-file' takes
much longer in Konsole. As I recall, gnome-terminal was pretty slow
too.)

I have not carefully examined memory usage under KDE 3.1, but I do not
see much use of swap space on my 384 MB system. And I find Konqueror to
be preferable to nautilus as a file manager, and nearly the equal of
mozilla as a web browser.

> So I'm wondering if I've got some binaries that aren't optimized for my 
> system somehow, or this is just the state of GNOME.  If so, I'm going 
> to take a serious second look at ditching the whole 'desktop 
> environment' altogether and go with something like IceWM.

I've never liked IceWM. When I want a simple X environment, I use
Fluxbox.

> I'm not trolling, I've got a serious issue here.  256 mb should be more 
> than enough to run all of the junk I want to run without swapping.

Using what kernel? I'm currently on 2.4.19-ac1, which uses the rmap VM.
I find this does a good job of using memory without swapping
unnecessarily. Mainline 2.4 kernels, and anything older than that, seem
to swap when there's no real need to.

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Re: GNOME == bloatware?

[Jamin W. Collins]

On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 10:05:20AM -0800, Steve Juranich wrote:

> So I'm wondering if I've got some binaries that aren't optimized for my 
> system somehow, or this is just the state of GNOME.  If so, I'm going 
> to take a serious second look at ditching the whole 'desktop 
> environment' altogether and go with something like IceWM.

That seems to be about the state of things.  The "desktop environments"
are quite bulky.  There are quite a few nice things about them, but they
do take quite a bit of room (WRT to both HD and memory space).  I
wouldn't attempt to run any of the DEs on most of my systems.  However a
sensible combination of window manager and applications work fine.
Define the features that you need from your applications and then take a
look for applications that provide them with small foot prints.  You'll
be amazed at how little memory and drive space you need to consume.

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Re: Desktop productivity with Debian GNU/LINUX

[Jamin W. Collins]

On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 12:40:17PM -0500, Hal Vaughan wrote:

> My point was how Mandrake is focused on making everything as easy as
> possible to install and use -- so it's possible for the "average Joe"
> to go to Best Buy, or any other store that sells Mandrake, buy a box,
> take it home, install it quickly and easily, and sit down and do
> something productive, like writing, or working with Gimp, or any of a
> million other things people use computers to do so they can make a
> living -- or any of a million other things people do for hobbies.
> 
> This is NOT one of Debian's strengths.

Should it be?  I can understand a desire to ease the installation
process.  However, I for one feel it is tremendously benificial for a
user to understand how their system works.  That is of course, unless
they are not the one maintaining it.  In which case, I don't feel they
should be the one configuring it.

> I wonder -- are the people that start with Debian people who are new
> to Linux, but used to Unix or sys admin/programming on other systems,
> or are they just at the "user" (or just above) level?

Many of the people I've introduced to Debian are new to Linux in
general.

> I think so many Debian-ites have not needed to install for such a long
> time that they've forgotten what it is like.  Perhaps that's why the
> installer is so bare bones.

Pretty sure you've nailed it there.

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RE: GNOME == bloatware?

[Charlie Reiman]

> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Juranich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 10:05 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: GNOME == bloatware?
>
>
> I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice this, as I'm running a stock
> sid box.  But I've got a machine with 256Mb ram, but GNOME is bringing
> this system to a crawl.  I open up the system monitor, and I see that
> the main offenders are X (65 Mb, totally expected), Galeon (40 MB, it
> didn't used to be this bad), and gnome-terminal (15 MB for a single
> instance! 11MB after I turn off all of the fancy stuff).
>
> So I'm wondering if I've got some binaries that aren't optimized for my
> system somehow, or this is just the state of GNOME.  If so, I'm going
> to take a serious second look at ditching the whole 'desktop
> environment' altogether and go with something like IceWM.
>
> I'm not trolling, I've got a serious issue here.  256 mb should be more
> than enough to run all of the junk I want to run without swapping.
>
> Thanks.  for fl in *flames* ; do cat $fl > /dev/null ; done

It's you but I can't be a lot of help. On my 384M laptop, I can fire up a
gnome session with a gnome-terminal and only be using 196M of physical
memory. Top piggies are (virtual and real memory listed):

gnome-panel  10Mv, 10Mr
Xfree86  17Mv, 9Mr
gnome-terminal 9Mv, 9Mr
gnome-session 8Mv, 8Mr

I'm not running Galeon but I don't have any trouble running Mozilla which is
probably on the same order of magnitude in hugeness. I'd look to your
Xserver which seems huge. 65M seems a bit large for a system that just
translates network request to frambuffer blits.


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Re: GNOME == bloatware?

[Mark Ferlatte]

Steve Juranich said on Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 10:05:20AM -0800:
> sid box.  But I've got a machine with 256Mb ram, but GNOME is bringing 
> this system to a crawl.  I open up the system monitor, and I see that 
> the main offenders are X (65 Mb, totally expected), Galeon (40 MB, it 
> didn't used to be this bad), and gnome-terminal (15 MB for a single 
> instance! 11MB after I turn off all of the fancy stuff).

Keep in mind that those numbers don't really tell you how much memory is
in use: shared libraries are counted for every program that loads them,
I think and X mmaps your video cards memory, which results in X being
Xserver memory + Video card memory, which can be "exciting" when you
have a 64MB video card.  :)

Also, threads appear to show multiple copies (ie, my copy of Mozilla
currently has 12 threads, and each one appears to be taking 45MB, but in
reality the total Mozilla is taking 45MB).

Now, it's certainly true that using GNOME is going to consume a lot of
resources, but (at least on my desktop box), it only appears to check
about 128MB, which should leave you plenty of room, in theory...

> So I'm wondering if I've got some binaries that aren't optimized for my 
> system somehow, or this is just the state of GNOME.  If so, I'm going 
> to take a serious second look at ditching the whole 'desktop 
> environment' altogether and go with something like IceWM.

Heh.  If I weren't lazy, I'd throw away most of the GNOME stuff... I
don't use any of it anymore, and sawfish is unfortunately buggy.

Maybe one of these days I'll get around to trying Metacity... I like
it's design style.

M



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Re: Brute force reinstall

[Greg Madden]

On Wednesday 22 January 2003 08:27 am, Nicos Gollan wrote:
> Hi all...
>
> I recently ran into some, uhm, minor hard disk problems that sent my
> /usr/share to kingdom come, along with /home, but that's another story.
> Failing to find a simple way to reinstall packages with data in
> /usr/share or plain and simple all packages, I reinstalled the whole
> system. (OK, this was probably necessary anyway because perl was done
> for...)
>
> Is there an easy way to reinstall all packages? Perhaps a tool that
> flags all packages as "reinst-required" or something?
>
> --
> Got Backup?

I think  'dpkg --get-selections;' & 'dpkg --set-selecections does this. I 
haven't used them myself so I can't say for sure. 'man dpkg'
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Re: GNOME == bloatware?

[Matthew Weier O'Phinney]

-- Steve Juranich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
(on Wednesday, 22 January 2003, 10:05 AM -0800):
> I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice this, as I'm running a stock 
> sid box.  But I've got a machine with 256Mb ram, but GNOME is bringing 
> this system to a crawl.  I open up the system monitor, and I see that 
> the main offenders are X (65 Mb, totally expected), Galeon (40 MB, it 
> didn't used to be this bad), and gnome-terminal (15 MB for a single 
> instance! 11MB after I turn off all of the fancy stuff).
My main machine is a Celeron 366MHz, 256MB machine. GNOME 1.4 ran fine,
but, like you, I felt it was slow and hogged a lot of memory.

Desktop environments are nice -- they give a common area for
configuration, provide a common look and feel, and overall streamline
GUI usage. But they also tend to do it at the cost of memory and disk
space.

> So I'm wondering if I've got some binaries that aren't optimized for my 
> system somehow, or this is just the state of GNOME.  If so, I'm going 
> to take a serious second look at ditching the whole 'desktop 
> environment' altogether and go with something like IceWM.
If you don't like what you're using, the great thing about *nices is
that you have choice.

I'm currently using (and have been for over a year, a personal record!)
blackbox as my window manager (2MB) with Rox-Filer 1.3.x providing a few
icons and a file manager (8.5 MB); I've switched to Phoenix for my
browser (23.5 MB), and aterm for my terminal (1.5 MB). In this setup, X
only runs at 20 MB.

So, if memory and speed are an issue, take a look at some of the other
choices out there and optimize. You can make an older machine seem very
fast -- and a newer one seem to run at light speed or faster. (I used
the same setup on a 1.7GHz machine with 256MB, and everything seemed
practically instantaneous, with the exception of OO.org.)

> I'm not trolling, I've got a serious issue here.  256 mb should be more 
> than enough to run all of the junk I want to run without swapping.
You'd think... but even with lots of memory and a fast processor,
sometimes one just wants *more* speed. So you optimize.

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Re: Recovering /var (package status only)

[Osamu Aoki]

On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 10:00:28AM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 01:03:00AM -0500, Travis Crump wrote:
> > Question about false positives(/usr/share/doc/ directories that don't 
> > correspond to a package):  Are they a bug or is there nothing wrong with 
> > them?  On my system I have the following false positives:
> > 
> > debian-reference-en, debian-reference-common: /usr/share/doc/Debian
> > doc-linux-text: /usr/share/doc/FAQ
> > doc-linux-text: /usr/share/doc/HOWTO
> > doc-debian: /usr/share/doc/debian
> 
> doc-linux-text and doc-debian are special cases, probably
> debian-reference-* too. I tried to formalize the upper-case rule for
> doc-linux-* on debian-policy in August 2000, but never got round to
> following through on the approving noises I got in response.

In DDP, we discussed to move all DDP document into /usr/share/doc/Debian
just like HOWTO and others.  It stand out when browsed by "mc" :)

I thought upper case rule is a de facto rule mostly for aesthetic of
organization but now we have very compelling argument for disaster
recovery :)  

I will second it if you propose again.
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Re: Compiling gnucash 1.7.7 for Woody?

[Bill Wohler]

"Michael D. Crawford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Would this have the desired effect?  Can anyone tell me if GnuCash
> 1.7.7 requires dependencies, or versions of them, that aren't
> available at all in Woody?

  Well you could try "apt-get build-dep gnucash" and see...

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Re: Problems with own 2.4.18

[nate]

Michael Schlottke said:

> Does anybody know, what my mistake could be?

there are two 8139 drivers in the 2.4.x tree. The 8139 and the 8139too,
I would try the other driver, depending on what your using now. I think the
normal 8139 is only available if you have 'experimantal options' turned on.

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