The K10D has better noise control at 1600 than does the D at 3200. In fact, 
it's a close call with both at 1600. The K10D does seem to be a bit more 
sensitive to noise increase due to underexposure.
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I don't have a K10 to do comparisons with, but everything I've seen on 
> this list indicates that the *ist-D/Ds have better noise performance at 
> 3200 than the K10D has at 1600.  What is the major difference, the size 
> of the sensor sites.  Even at 12mp a 1.3x crop sensor will have sites 
> larger than the K10D and as large or larger than those on the *ist D/Ds. 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Yes, the larger sensor would undoubtedly reduce noise somewhat, but I doubt 
> that it could achieve the noise level the K10D at 800 when shooting at 3200 
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> as asked for in this wish list.
> > Paul
> >  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >   
> >> Just the 1.3x crop sensor would lead to better noise/high ISO performance.
> >>
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>     
> >>> Good list. I concur. Although I've never had a problem with banding with 
> >>> the 
> >>>       
> >> K10D. Also, the K10D already has a spot to store the IR remote in the 
> >> battery 
> >> grip. I don't think you'd want to make the camera itself larger to 
> accommodate 
> >> this. But for those of us who have know problem with size and therefore 
> >> use 
> the 
> >> grip, the remote caddy is a great feature. I don't know if the kind of 
> >> high 
> ISO 
> >> low-noise performance you're asking for is currently possible, but it 
> certainly 
> >> wold be nice. I think there's always going to be a considerable tradeofff 
> >> for 
> >> ISO 3200 speed. CMOS sensors don't seem to have much of a real advantage 
> there.
> >>     
> >>> Paul
> >>>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> >>> From: "Patrick Genovese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> My wish list:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. Faster and more accurate AF (I know it is a contradiction in terms
> >>>> but we know it is possible  err. dark side)
> >>>> 2. Adjustable AF settings ( a user should be able to correct
> >>>> back/front focusing)
> >>>> 3. Larger sensor (1.3 crop factor) but only if current DA lenses cover
> >>>> the 1.3 crop factor.  The reason for this is the physics... larger
> >>>> pixels => lower noise.
> >>>> 4. faster frame rate.... 5 to 8 fps and the frame rate should be
> >>>> adjustable.  ie low,,, 3, med 5, high 8.  8 May be overkill (at least
> >>>> for me) but it would be nice to have at least 5fps.
> >>>> 5. Quieter operation over all --- Quiter af motors quieter shutter /
> >>>> mirror mechanism.
> >>>> 6. Higher eyepoint on the viewfider... but don;t mess up the
> >>>> viewfinder the k10 finder is too nice to muck up.
> >>>> 7. Smarter AF modes... e.g nearest subject, track moving subject
> >>>> etc... Nikon have someting of the sort and it really works well.
> >>>> 8. A good anti reflective system for the screen that will allow better
> >>>> viewing under bright sunlight
> >>>> 9. Lower noise and higher iso... up to at least 3200.. I want iso3200
> >>>> with the sort of noise we currently get at around 640 -> 800.  A Cmos
> >>>> sensor may be the way to go in this respect.
> >>>> 10 DNG with compression out of the camera.
> >>>> 11. Dual Card Slots (SD) with the ability to write Raw on one and jpeg
> >>>> on the other.
> >>>> 12. Buttons for WB & ISO.... ie hold a button down and turn a control 
> wheel.
> >>>> 13. WB Setting display in viewfinder.
> >>>> 14. Better Write speeds to cards.
> >>>> 15. Separate AF Assist Lamp. (ie no need to popup flash)
> >>>> 16. Intervalometer accessible throught the menu. (IE TS110 cable
> >>>> release functions built into the firmware).  This should be easy.
> >>>> 17. Bundled IR Remote with a gizmo to keep it permanently attached in
> >>>> some way e.g. to the camera strap or the base of the camera.
> >>>> 18. Higher res 12->16mp but not at the expense of adding noise 10MP is
> >>>> fine for me.
> >>>> 19. Addon for wireless transfer to PC
> >>>> 20.  REMOVE ALL TRACES OF BANDING.... .... NOISE IS ACCEPTABLE BANDING 
> >>>> IS 
> >>>>         
> >> NOT.
> >>     
> >>>> 21. An updated lens line up .... Fast primes and fast zooms.
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