Did _anyone_ say John's photo was crap? Did anyone say anyone's photo was crap?
Shel > [Original Message] > From: Kenneth Waller > I've atended a fair number of student slide > critiques presented by outdoor professionals. > For the most part the pros tried to point out a > flaw in the image that could be improved > & move that image to a higher level. > On several occasions the working pro couldn't > suggest anything and ghenerally acknowledged > that by saying so. > > Very seldom did they say an image was crap, > unless they knew the owner well. > > Kenneth Waller > > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: PESO: Harvest Moon > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Bob Sullivan" > >Subject: Re: PESO: Harvest Moon > > > > > >> Shel, > >> > >> What a stuck-up bunch of elitists we must look like. Put a picture up > >> and we'll tell you where your are failing. Is that why we have > >> PESO's? So we can frighten people off? What lurker is gonna put > >> something out in this friendly forum? > >> > >> I know you know John personally and perhaps he feels comfortable with > >> your critique. Funny, but I would of thought he wouldn't have > >> bothered to post the picture if he thought it was so common that it > >> would be immediately panned. > >> > >> This is what I imagine the Leica list is like. Post your picture and > >> we will tell you why it isn't good enough. Wow, I wish we were the > >> old Pentax list where folks tried to give constructive criticism and > >> friendly advice. I don't feel that spirit in your comments. > > > >Respectfully, I disagree, > >I have had my share of offlist abuse tossed at me because I practice > >disagreement. > > > >For the most part, pictures posted to the list are greeted with oohs and > >aahs. > > > >"Much nicer than any moon pic I have ever shot." > >"Intriguing, dramatic. Excellent work IMO." > >"Nice shot and an especially good conversion to BW..." > > > >With the occassional constructive critisism: > > > >"Wow, I was expecting to see a lot more web and a lot less spider. Not > >> too bad with the circumstances. Handholding with that a short of DOF > >> is quite difficult. > >> Nice work" > > > >That stops just short of a circle jerk. > > > >This is just not healthy. > >My mother taught me that if I had nothing nice to say, then say nothing. > >Is that what is expected? > >How can a person learn if they don't get told what they are doing wrong > >by their peers? > >If a picture is sophomoric crap, then someone should point this out. > >If a person's work is developing a boring sameness, they should be told > >they are developing a genre unto themselves, to perhaps snap them out of > >the rut they are getting into. > >If a picture is technically perfect, but esthetically boring, should > >that go unstated? > > > >If you put a picture out there, and solicit comments, then take the good > >with the bad. > >It's not just about pleasing oneself, and just because oneself is > >pleased with a picture doesn't automatically make it a good picture. > > > >Shooting broadsides at a picture may be unkind, shooting broadsides at > >someone who had made an honest effort to critique a photo, whether or > >not the critique is nice, is unfair. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
