JCO: In the ideal world I could still buy parts for my beloved Datsun 
240Z but hey, times change. If Pentax put out a camera that worked with 
our old lenses they would never sell their new lenses. That would make 
you and I happy but only for a year or two. When Pentax announced it 
went out of business because nobody was buying their lenses neither you 
nor I would be very happy - Think Minolta users. Life's a compromise 
and I think you and I did a lot better than those Canon users who had 
to trade in those gorgeous F1s for an EOS and $50,000 worth of new 
lenses...
Vic
On 8-Oct-06, at 7:37 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

> Not sure what you mean by "leaving behind 30 yr old technology"?
> They are not moving forward, they are moving backward if
> Lenses are LOSING key features they have already had for
> 30 years. This isnt a case where progress necessitated
> this, like a new mount, this is a case of plain out abandonment
> of millions of PENTAX brand K lenses features. Would you buy a film
> body without these longtime features? I wouldn't.
> jco
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Vic MacBournie
> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 7:28 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: k10d and manual-aperture lenses?
>
> I kind of enjoy JCO's arguments... I like to see the different angles
> he takes to respond to the various posts. I think he's just trying to
> make a point that he's not happy with the way pentax has moved forward
> leaving behind 30-year-old technology die-hards like him and I to cry
> in our beer about the good old days when little steel things protruded
> from the lenses. i agree wholeheartedly with him but have chosen to
> enjoy what compatibility that is still left. Every time I think about
> selling my old lenses I put them on my ist D and that ends that
> idea.... I like to think of all my old lenses like limited lenses. When
> I pack my bag full of Ks and Ms and As it's like having a whole camera
> bag of limited lenses without the autofocus.... LOL....
> Vic
>
>
>
> On 8-Oct-06, at 7:13 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>
>> Hello David,
>>
>> Add a filter to your email application to just put JCO's ranting in
>> the trash automatically. I turn on that filter every time he starts
>> in on this nonsense. As John Forbes said, it happens about every six
>> months.
>>
>> Others have answered the question, but here's the scoop:
>>
>> To use pre-A series M/K-mount lenses, or any A series or later lens
>> with the lens taken off the A setting, you
>>
>> 0) Set the custom function to "Using Aperture Ring - Permitted"
>>
>> This tells the camera to operate the aperture mechanism in K mount
>> mode when the camera mode selector is set to Manual. Since the camera
>> does not have the mechanical aperture simulator, when you fit a lens
>> as above you
>>
>> 1) set the mode selector to Manual
>> 2) set the aperture you want to use with the lens' aperture ring
>> 3) be sure the meter is activated (a half press on the shutter button
>> activates the meter circuitry)
>> 4) press the green button /AE-Lock button
>>
>> The camera will stop down the lens briefly, take a reading, and set
>> the appropriate shutter speed. This is not auto exposure, to my way
>> of thinking, but semi-automatic exposure operation. It is simple and
>> fluid in use, although I'm the first to say that I don't like mixing
>> post-A and pre-A series lenses much because having to switch modes on
>> the camera and modes of thought in use can lead to errors.
>>
>> I am pretty sure we'll never see another Pentax with the mechanical
>> aperture simulator, but I'd be happy to be wrong on that count. Don't
>> hold your breath for it. ;-)
>>
>> Godfrey
>>
>> On Oct 8, 2006, at 9:44 PM, David Bliss wrote:
>>
>>> I guess the question I REALLY meant to ask was: what, if anything,
>>> does
>>> dpreview's assertion that you can "use lens aperture ring" mean,
>>> since it clearly doesn't mean what I think it means?  Even on A
>>> lenses,
>>> I for one would much rather set the aperture using the lens
>>> aperture ring,
>>> with a nice big custom-designed control, than use a stupid fiddly
>>> knob on
>>> the camera body -- just like when doing manual focus I want to use
> the
>>> lens focus control and not twiddle a potentiometer like on one of
>>> my old
>>> Sony cameras (and most non-pro video cameras).
>>
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