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On 12/12/16 11:51 42AM, Gretta Louw wrote: > I like that quote, Marc, and I think you’re right about a lot of those > points. The only thing I would point out is that for me Net Art and > Post-Internet Art have almost nothing to do with one another. They are > as similar as Body Art/Performance Art and an oil painting of a nude. > But I do think that Net Art needs to consider not only exploring the > technology itself but (as Annie’s work often does, but not so many > others) get into the bodily, human, societal, and environmental > aspects of the net. We are not in a period where we can afford to make > formal, conceptual, self-reflexive artworks about the material and > about art itself. We need to make work about things that matter more > and are more grounded in the body, the land, in depth and real experience. > > In solidarity, > Gretta > > >> On 12 Dec 2016, at 11:17 AM, marc garrett <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Hi Annie & Gretta, >> >> yes, you're both bringing up something that has been at the forefront >> of mine & Ruth's, discussions, intentions, and actions -- for a while >> now. Hence, why Furtherfield exists in the first place... >> >> I found this a really interestinig comment, recently, by Jon Ippolito. >> >> "The mainstream art world waited to utter the term "Internet art" >> until they could safely add the prefix "post-" to it" Jon Ippolito >> >> What Ippolito said is rather poignant, because it demonstrates a >> shift where ownership of an artistic practice has 'officially' been >> acknowledged as part of the mainstream, but only so that all the >> typical top-down defaults of the mainstream can take it apart and >> force it to reflect its own intentions and belief systems -- as in, >> take full control of its once grass roots identity, and own its >> history and future; and turn it all into its own pliable set of products. >> >> Wishing you well. >> >> marc >> >> On 12 December 2016 at 09:24, Annie Abrahams <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> yes Gretta, that's it >> >> when reading Ruth's reaction I immediately became aware that my >> phrase wasn't ok. of course we can continue the spirit, there is >> no impossibility. I wanted to point to >> >> http://networkcultures.org/moneylab/2016/12/06/role-play-your-way-to-budgetary-blockchain-bliss/ >> >> <http://networkcultures.org/moneylab/2016/12/06/role-play-your-way-to-budgetary-blockchain-bliss/> >> where you can read about Ruth's workshop for Moneylab, as an >> example and of course I thought about my own work where learning >> what it means to "be with" is more important than what is >> actually happening, where the process is more important than the >> result. I think the same is true for for instance Helen Varley >> Jamieson's "we have a situation", and of course there is more. >> >> netart : we discussed possibilities and impossibilities - as >> usual we complained, were nostalgic - net art is changing, the >> internet is not what it was etc. but I also learned that >> Ubermorgen (Hans and Liz) became professors in netart at a German >> artschool >> netart became a construct, starts to become historical >> so what to complain? >> let's continue the spirit >> >> xxx Annie >> >> On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Gretta Louw >> <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> I’ve been thinking a lot lately about how often the art, the >> revolutionary, meaningful kind, at the moment is truly in >> creating structures and platforms for ideas and people to >> engage. What comes out at the end - the video/prints etc that >> funders want to see or that gets posted to instagram - is not >> really the important part, at that point the art itself has >> already happened. And this making of structures and platforms >> is still greatly assisted by networked technologies. >> >> g. >> >> >>> On 11 Dec 2016, at 12:26 PM, ruth catlow >>> <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> <icihmpcmbmacmnch.png> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Co-founder Co-director >>> Furtherfield >>> >>> www.furtherfield.org <http://www.furtherfield.org/> >>> >>> +44 (0) 77370 02879 >>> >>> Bitcoin Address 197BBaXa6M9PtHhhNTQkuHh1pVJA8RrJ2i >>> >>> Furtherfield is the UK's leading organisation for art shows, >>> labs, & debates >>> around critical questions in art and technology, since 1997 >>> >>> Furtherfield is a Not-for-Profit Company limited by Guarantee >>> registered in England and Wales under the Company No.7005205. >>> Registered business address: Ballard Newman, Apex House, >>> Grand Arcade, Tally Ho Corner, London N12 0EH. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> <http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> <http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Distant FeelingS #3 <http://bram.org/distantF> Thursday 24 Nov. >> 6.30pm, *VisionS in the Nunnery*, 181 Bow Road, London E3 2SJ and >> *online*. >> With *Lisa Parra*,*Daniel Pinheiro* and *Annie Abrahams*. >> >> /How does it feel to share an interface with eyes closed and no >> talking?/ >> >> http://bram.org <http://bram.org/> >> https://aabrahams.wordpress.com <https://aabrahams.wordpress.com/> >> http://e-stranger.tumblr.com <http://e-stranger.tumblr.com/>** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> <http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Marc Garrett >> Co-Founder, Co-Director and main editor of Furtherfield. >> >> Furtherfield - A living, breathing, thriving network >> http://www.furtherfield.org <http://www.furtherfield.org/> - for art, >> technology and social change since 1996 >> >> Furtherfield Gallery & Commons, >> Finsbury Park, London N4 2NQ >> T +44(0)208 802 1301/+44(0)208 802 2827 >> M +44(0)7533676047 >> www.furtherfield.org >> <http://www.furtherfield.org/>Academic Work for PhD At Birkbeck >> https://birkbeck.academia.edu/MarcGarrett >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- helen varley jamieson [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.upstage.org.nz *We have a situation, Coventry! <http://www.wehaveasituation.net/?p=1402>* 24 November 2016
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