I like that quote, Marc, and I think you’re right about a lot of those points. The only thing I would point out is that for me Net Art and Post-Internet Art have almost nothing to do with one another. They are as similar as Body Art/Performance Art and an oil painting of a nude. But I do think that Net Art needs to consider not only exploring the technology itself but (as Annie’s work often does, but not so many others) get into the bodily, human, societal, and environmental aspects of the net. We are not in a period where we can afford to make formal, conceptual, self-reflexive artworks about the material and about art itself. We need to make work about things that matter more and are more grounded in the body, the land, in depth and real experience.
In solidarity, Gretta > On 12 Dec 2016, at 11:17 AM, marc garrett <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Annie & Gretta, > > yes, you're both bringing up something that has been at the forefront of mine > & Ruth's, discussions, intentions, and actions -- for a while now. Hence, why > Furtherfield exists in the first place... > > I found this a really interestinig comment, recently, by Jon Ippolito. > > "The mainstream art world waited to utter the term "Internet art" until they > could safely add the prefix "post-" to it" Jon Ippolito > > What Ippolito said is rather poignant, because it demonstrates a shift where > ownership of an artistic practice has 'officially' been acknowledged as part > of the mainstream, but only so that all the typical top-down defaults of the > mainstream can take it apart and force it to reflect its own intentions and > belief systems -- as in, take full control of its once grass roots identity, > and own its history and future; and turn it all into its own pliable set of > products. > > Wishing you well. > > marc > > On 12 December 2016 at 09:24, Annie Abrahams <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > yes Gretta, that's it > > when reading Ruth's reaction I immediately became aware that my phrase wasn't > ok. of course we can continue the spirit, there is no impossibility. I wanted > to point to > http://networkcultures.org/moneylab/2016/12/06/role-play-your-way-to-budgetary-blockchain-bliss/ > > <http://networkcultures.org/moneylab/2016/12/06/role-play-your-way-to-budgetary-blockchain-bliss/> > where you can read about Ruth's workshop for Moneylab, as an example and of > course I thought about my own work where learning what it means to "be with" > is more important than what is actually happening, where the process is more > important than the result. I think the same is true for for instance Helen > Varley Jamieson's "we have a situation", and of course there is more. > > netart : we discussed possibilities and impossibilities - as usual we > complained, were nostalgic - net art is changing, the internet is not what it > was etc. but I also learned that Ubermorgen (Hans and Liz) became professors > in netart at a German artschool > netart became a construct, starts to become historical > so what to complain? > let's continue the spirit > > xxx Annie > > On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Gretta Louw <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > I’ve been thinking a lot lately about how often the art, the revolutionary, > meaningful kind, at the moment is truly in creating structures and platforms > for ideas and people to engage. What comes out at the end - the video/prints > etc that funders want to see or that gets posted to instagram - is not really > the important part, at that point the art itself has already happened. And > this making of structures and platforms is still greatly assisted by > networked technologies. > > g. > > >> On 11 Dec 2016, at 12:26 PM, ruth catlow <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> >> <icihmpcmbmacmnch.png> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Co-founder Co-director >> Furtherfield >> >> www.furtherfield.org <http://www.furtherfield.org/> >> >> +44 (0) 77370 02879 >> >> Bitcoin Address 197BBaXa6M9PtHhhNTQkuHh1pVJA8RrJ2i >> >> Furtherfield is the UK's leading organisation for art shows, labs, & debates >> around critical questions in art and technology, since 1997 >> >> Furtherfield is a Not-for-Profit Company limited by Guarantee >> registered in England and Wales under the Company No.7005205. >> Registered business address: Ballard Newman, Apex House, Grand Arcade, Tally >> Ho Corner, London N12 0EH. >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> <http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour> > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > <http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour> > > > > -- > Distant FeelingS #3 <http://bram.org/distantF> Thursday 24 Nov. 6.30pm, > VisionS in the Nunnery, 181 Bow Road, London E3 2SJ and online. > With Lisa Parra, Daniel Pinheiro and Annie Abrahams. > How does it feel to share an interface with eyes closed and no talking? > > http://bram.org <http://bram.org/> > https://aabrahams.wordpress.com <https://aabrahams.wordpress.com/> > http://e-stranger.tumblr.com <http://e-stranger.tumblr.com/> > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > <http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour> > > > > -- > -- > > Marc Garrett > Co-Founder, Co-Director and main editor of Furtherfield. > > Furtherfield - A living, breathing, thriving network > http://www.furtherfield.org <http://www.furtherfield.org/> - for art, > technology and social change since 1996 > > Furtherfield Gallery & Commons, > Finsbury Park, London N4 2NQ > T +44(0)208 802 1301/+44(0)208 802 2827 > M +44(0)7533676047 > www.furtherfield.org > <http://www.furtherfield.org/>Academic Work for PhD At Birkbeck > https://birkbeck.academia.edu/MarcGarrett > <https://birkbeck.academia.edu/MarcGarrett> > <http://www.furtherfield.org/>_______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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